Tuesday, 26 November 2019
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3 days ago
WTMP, I can't answer that. We had £500k in the bank at the last year-end, that will cover us for this season. Assuming we receive £1m transfer income this year, that is the next 2 years and so on. Clibbins will prepare the budget each season based on what is in the bank and what is due to be received.


I think we'll see 2 things happening. More and more owners are going to limit their contribution, writing a cheque for £400k a season is a game that gets dull quickly. If we have a stable financial position, we will overtake those clubs that lose benefactors. Player wages will fall. We still have average squad players in L1 teams earning more than the head of Police or the Council. It's a short career but still, there are limits. Covid has opened the door for people like DH to turn the screw
3 days ago
He seems to be very good at spotting players, in midfield and defence at least. Not very good at getting the best out of them on the pitch. As he has been hired to develop players and sell them for money, he is performing very well if you judge him by his KPIs.

We don't have anyone to fill the sugar daddy role and fund us to the tune of £400k, a year. As his ability to generate income means the club continues to survive, he is doing a good job. Once the debt is paid off, I hope the transfer income will translate into better players in the squad.

If we could get 1000 of the 'I'm the greatest fan in the history of the club, but the Directors force me to watch Southampton against Crystal Palace instead' whingers to attend, of course we could move forward much faster.


"Once the debt is paid off...?"

NC clearly stated the other day that no debt was planned to be repaid during the 2021/22 season, so when and how will transfer income translate to better players?


Markovic is an absolute moron 😂
Lives in fantasy land, take no notice


From the man who lies about watching CUFC on ifollow and doesn't even have the sense to check the cost. Do you even know who Nigel Clibbins is? Hint, he's not a player
3 days ago
From the man who lies about watching CUFC on ifollow and doesn't even have the sense to check the cost. Do you even know who Nigel Clibbins is? Hint, he's not a player


How the [censored] would you know how much is in the bank for a start 😂

You sprout absolute shit you’ve got no idea on the club finances

You can’t genuinely believe the boards goals are too repaying the debt as fast as possible and then to invest more into the club. I can’t tell if it’s comical or idiotic to believe that.

In the next 5 years when nothing changes in this club I do not want to see an ounce of complaint from you.
3 days ago
Because dunderbrain they print a set of accounts with a balance sheet- it shows the bank balance. It was on the CUFC facebook pages if you had taken the trouble to look.

I don't care what you want. When did anyone ever listen to someone like you? Get back to the Ronaldo wankfest
3 days ago
I doubt very much if this board is still in control in 5 yrs time , Andrew Jenkins is 85 years old and will be looking to secure
the future of the club before he passes away.

The money received from tranfers this and last season i presume are to put the club on a sound footing for a transfer of
ownership to Philip Day.
3 days ago
Because dunderbrain they print a set of accounts with a balance sheet- it shows the bank balance. It was on the CUFC facebook pages if you had taken the trouble to look.

I don't care what you want. When did anyone ever listen to someone like you? Get back to the Ronaldo wankfest


What appose to the wankfest you’ve got for the board.

They tell you sweet little nothings and you lap it up.

Painting this forward dream for the club when in reality nothing will change at this club. Look at the evidence what positives can we take from the last 15 years.

A few good players, a few great starts to the season followed by either crawling into the play offs or completely missing them.

Are we suppose to stand there and applauded the board on their success of transforming us into a feeder club for barrow and Wrexham. Regardless of you deem as success by them. You like everyone else attendance the games for results. That’s what the success of the club should be NOT because dean Henderson went to a few Carlisle training sessions when he was 14.
3 days ago
He seems to be very good at spotting players, in midfield and defence at least. Not very good at getting the best out of them on the pitch. As he has been hired to develop players and sell them for money, he is performing very well if you judge him by his KPIs.

We don't have anyone to fill the sugar daddy role and fund us to the tune of £400k, a year. As his ability to generate income means the club continues to survive, he is doing a good job. Once the debt is paid off, I hope the transfer income will translate into better players in the squad.

If we could get 1000 of the 'I'm the greatest fan in the history of the club, but the Directors force me to watch Southampton against Crystal Palace instead' whingers to attend, of course we could move forward much faster.

Marko - but we seem to have the £400K covered, at least for the next few seasons, and it is not being used to pay off the debt according to Clibbens. I have no idea why fans are buying this "we've got no money palaver".
If we are not going to invest in a target man, flair player (okay, Cough may turn out to be this) and a centre half, we are never going to.
3 days ago
I doubt very much if this board is still in control in 5 yrs time , Andrew Jenkins is 85 years old and will be looking to secure
the future of the club before he passes away.

The money received from tranfers this and last season i presume are to put the club on a sound footing for a transfer of
ownership to Philip Day.


From what a lot people say about Day, I can't see things being much better than they are.
3 days ago
I doubt very much if this board is still in control in 5 yrs time , Andrew Jenkins is 85 years old and will be looking to secure
the future of the club before he passes away.

The money received from tranfers this and last season i presume are to put the club on a sound footing for a transfer of
ownership to Philip Day.


From what a lot people say about Day, I can't see things being much better than they are.



I agree with you Philip Day is unlikely to throw money at the club.

That`s the problem with takeovers you can end up with no better or worse than we`ve already got.

I can`t see any new owner spending money the club has`nt earned, the main thing you get from
a new owner is an increase in interest from sponsors wanting to get involved and an uplift in match attendances,
and that will only last as long as the teams winning.
3 days ago
We need a business person/persons owning the club who are fans, want to see the club progress and know that they'll need to spend a bit of money.
3 days ago
He seems to be very good at spotting players, in midfield and defence at least. Not very good at getting the best out of them on the pitch. As he has been hired to develop players and sell them for money, he is performing very well if you judge him by his KPIs.

We don't have anyone to fill the sugar daddy role and fund us to the tune of £400k, a year. As his ability to generate income means the club continues to survive, he is doing a good job. Once the debt is paid off, I hope the transfer income will translate into better players in the squad.

If we could get 1000 of the 'I'm the greatest fan in the history of the club, but the Directors force me to watch Southampton against Crystal Palace instead' whingers to attend, of course we could move forward much faster.

Marko - but we seem to have the £400K covered, at least for the next few seasons, and it is not being used to pay off the debt according to Clibbens. I have no idea why fans are buying this "we've got no money palaver".
If we are not going to invest in a target man, flair player (okay, Cough may turn out to be this) and a centre half, we are never going to.


It looks like this one and the next one are covered. Future seasons should be covered by transfer income currently in the pipeline, but Clibbins is playing safe. The club has been for sale for 10 years, no one with the money has come in to buy it so far. Clibbins is therefore allowing the money to pile up for rainy days to come.

What you are saying, I think, is spend the 500k in the bank, get 4 players on 120k a year. We'll get promoted then we'll get 1200 on the gate, and we'll get our money back. The problem with that is that Jenkins said to Curle, I'll fund you, and you get us promoted. And Jenkins did, result, we went nowhere and ended up £4m in debt. That's why it's caution first, because Curle had the backing of the board and blew it. Incompetence that we are paying for now.
3 days ago
We need a business person/persons owning the club who are fans, want to see the club progress and know that they'll need to spend a bit of money.
:D
2 days ago

What you are saying, I think, is spend the 500k in the bank, get 4 players on 120k a year. We'll get promoted then we'll get 1200 on the gate, and we'll get our money back. The problem with that is that Jenkins said to Curle, I'll fund you, and you get us promoted. And Jenkins did, result, we went nowhere and ended up £4m in debt. That's why it's caution first, because Curle had the backing of the board and blew it. Incompetence that we are paying for now.


Curle managed to push us £4m in the red? That's some achievement given in his first season he avoided the relegation Kavanagh had us streaking towards - how much would that have cost us? In his second season he brought in windfalls from two cup runs, one sharing a gate of 42,000 at Liverpool. The third season he got us to the playoffs, not helped by having Wyke sold from underneath him for £250,000 on the last day of the transfer window. In his last season he bought and sold Cosgrove which is said to have brought us a tidy sell-off sum recently.

In fact the accounts say even in the season 2016/17 which was the rumoured season of eye-watering bonuses we only lost 209K - the year before (the cup runs) we made a 40K profit - so where's the 4M debt Curle ran up???

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2018/april/accountsapirl2018/
2 days ago
We owed 2m to Jenkins and 2m to day. Those numbers come from the accounts.
2 days ago
He seems to be very good at spotting players, in midfield and defence at least. Not very good at getting the best out of them on the pitch. As he has been hired to develop players and sell them for money, he is performing very well if you judge him by his KPIs.

We don't have anyone to fill the sugar daddy role and fund us to the tune of £400k, a year. As his ability to generate income means the club continues to survive, he is doing a good job. Once the debt is paid off, I hope the transfer income will translate into better players in the squad.

If we could get 1000 of the 'I'm the greatest fan in the history of the club, but the Directors force me to watch Southampton against Crystal Palace instead' whingers to attend, of course we could move forward much faster.

Marko - but we seem to have the £400K covered, at least for the next few seasons, and it is not being used to pay off the debt according to Clibbens. I have no idea why fans are buying this "we've got no money palaver".
If we are not going to invest in a target man, flair player (okay, Cough may turn out to be this) and a centre half, we are never going to.


It looks like this one and the next one are covered. Future seasons should be covered by transfer income currently in the pipeline, but Clibbins is playing safe. The club has been for sale for 10 years, no one with the money has come in to buy it so far. Clibbins is therefore allowing the money to pile up for rainy days to come.

What you are saying, I think, is spend the 500k in the bank, get 4 players on 120k a year. We'll get promoted then we'll get 1200 on the gate, and we'll get our money back. The problem with that is that Jenkins said to Curle, I'll fund you, and you get us promoted. And Jenkins did, result, we went nowhere and ended up £4m in debt. That's why it's caution first, because Curle had the backing of the board and blew it. Incompetence that we are paying for now.

Marko - nowhere have I said get four players, nor anything about adding to the gates, nor promotion, nor mentioned Curle, but apart from that you are spot on (there is nothing left in your points apart from that in case you have not realised).
The only thing I have questioned is, when we are flush now and for at least the next two seasons, why we are not replacing what we have lost (a centre half) and what the style is currently missing (a target man, or get a manager/DOF who has the first clue what he is doing when putting a side together).
I could even live with it if Clibbens came out and said the plan is we are getting as much cash together to pay off Day so we can move forward with a clean slate. It will mean a couple of lean seasons, but please bare with us, and we can be healthier going forward. But no, in fact he even boasts he is not even paying the extortionate interest on the multi-million pound loan, when he has £500K in the bank earning sod all. So, his policy is costing us more money every year, and that is mismanagement of the highest order.
I'm not singling you out specifically, as there are plenty of others on here who do the same, but this constant defending of the club, and Clibbens in particular, is why they continue to get away with it.
2 days ago

What you are saying, I think, is spend the 500k in the bank, get 4 players on 120k a year. We'll get promoted then we'll get 1200 on the gate, and we'll get our money back. The problem with that is that Jenkins said to Curle, I'll fund you, and you get us promoted. And Jenkins did, result, we went nowhere and ended up £4m in debt. That's why it's caution first, because Curle had the backing of the board and blew it. Incompetence that we are paying for now.


Curle managed to push us £4m in the red? That's some achievement given in his first season he avoided the relegation Kavanagh had us streaking towards - how much would that have cost us? In his second season he brought in windfalls from two cup runs, one sharing a gate of 42,000 at Liverpool. The third season he got us to the playoffs, not helped by having Wyke sold from underneath him for £250,000 on the last day of the transfer window. In his last season he bought and sold Cosgrove which is said to have brought us a tidy sell-off sum recently.

In fact the accounts say even in the season 2016/17 which was the rumoured season of eye-watering bonuses we only lost 209K - the year before (the cup runs) we made a 40K profit - so where's the 4M debt Curle ran up???

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2018/april/accountsapirl2018/

I think the argument with Curle is the contracts he left for others to inherit is a big cause of the debts.
No way £4M though, maybe £1 or £2M. The rest is easily stacked up if we are budgeting to lose £500K a year.
2 days ago
What baffles me with the second lowest budget last year we are still loosing 500, 000 a year.
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