Sunday, 04 July 2021
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Only 3 weeks away, apparently, but you wouldn’t know as they don’t seem to make much mention in the lead-up.

Almost as though they don’t want folk to be interested…
2 months ago
For clarification I’m not taking back the “dirty work comment”

The message regarding getting information for Billy, posted here, sickened me and I no longer trusted them.

No issues with the meeting or afterwards, although I did get messaged to provide evidence and reminded - but no issues. No issues if it was voluntary by those two.

I understand KS was on holiday and the reason JO jumped out the message group and DM himself. But it’s still dodgy he weren’t included and also dodgy the message received.

Jack may not be the lapdog but getting involved in this and that message suggests the opposite.

I’m not apologising for my actions at all or what I’ve said. I totally believe I was buttered up with probable good intentions but the whole purpose of the whole thing was to get this evidence.

Not once, NOT ONCE, has the trust got in touch regarding any question I have asked them on here. But some felt they had to on this one mmmmm
2 months ago
There are several complaints about what the Trust do or don't do, how badly they perform etc. No organisation is perfect, so there is always criticism and alternative points of view and in my opinion, that's healthy, but extensive ping pong posts on a message board will never transform anything.

So, why don't those complaining put themelves up for election to the Trust Board with the aim of doing something practical and proactive to remedy the situation as they see it?

That's a genuine question by the way and not intended to be an implied criticism of any individual(s).
2 months ago
So, why don't those complaining put themelves up for election to the Trust Board with the aim of doing something practical and proactive to remedy the situation as they see it?


Why don’t the Trust invite folk to stand ahead of the AGM like they’re supposed to?

You never see them do so…
2 months ago
If all the trust resigned I’d stand tomorrow.

Problem is the old guard remain so you can’t change the direction.

The trust also changed their constitution to allow for infinite years of being on the trust board when previously there was a limit and that was it.
2 months ago
Mr Prokas, what is this 50 hours you quote actually spent on? I don't recall the Trust answering hardly any of the questions at the CUSG meetings.
Certainly nothing about the money you spunked on a bar refurb meant to help the running of the club, why the Trust are so shit at raising money (you know, as the 25% owners of the club), who gave you authorisation to call yourselves the official supporters club, and why you have allowed the club to be run by potless and unethical people (your sole purpose for existence according to your articles).
More often than not it seems to be a no response received.
2 months ago
So, why don't those complaining put themelves up for election to the Trust Board with the aim of doing something practical and proactive to remedy the situation as they see it?


Why don’t the Trust invite folk to stand ahead of the AGM like they’re supposed to?

You never see them do so…


They never this year! - they used to do it but can’t remember last year.

They didn’t mention the AGM, in their briefings, to the week before.
2 months ago
I attended the trust agm, I didn’t get to ask even half of my questions because it overran.

Re the trust fit for purpose query - it was answered that it wasn’t a true proper number as the trust has 400+ members therefore the negativity doesn’t represent the feelings of supporters.

Wouldn’t give us an answer if they support EWM as it could cause issues

Didn’t have time to ask about unscrupulous gate. Person will see Billy next week (person thought shop was shut as the shutters were down) I’ll send them my evidence with my other questions probably tonight.

Quite impressed with Mark middling says a lot of good stuff that the older lot refuse to say. Has good ideas so will wait with interest
2 months ago
You did better than me Richard. I tried a couple of times to ask questions, waited patiently until the end after being told they would take questions at the end, only for the meeting to be wound up.

Two hours of my life I won't get back!
2 months ago
You did better than me Richard. I tried a couple of times to ask questions, waited patiently until the end after being told they would take questions at the end, only for the meeting to be wound up.

Two hours of my life I won't get back!


I think that was disappointing, I gave them respect for only asking questions relevant to the topic they were talking about at the time, but had plenty for the general and it was shut down.

It was overrunning but we sat through their agenda so you’d thought they could have sat through our general questions. I’ll send them them though and publish on here.

The question about fundraising was interesting from the London branch, I liked him, as surely the trust and supporters club raises funds - who else does.

Noticed Billy sly dig at the messsgeboard that not many people post on it - it has a lot more than the 47 that voted at this AGM.

They sidetracked the question about the “fit for purpose” as not indicative of the supporters. IMO this was bad as enough supporters replied with their reasonings but they didn’t want to know.

Impressed with Kyle and Mark. But I’m not convinced Mark isn’t just using the trust for his doctorate. I really hope not because he has good ideas and plans which I agree with.

But it did feel like a wasted two hours. I thought AGMs had unlimited time until everything was covered.
2 months ago
Me too, re unlimited time, and to be fair if they had held more zoom meetings in the last few months then there might not be such a backlog of questions. I left the meeting feeling very dissatisfied and to be honest quite angry, John Kukic and the London Branch covered two of my questions but I had a couple of others.

Heyho, for a group claiming they want to engage with fans they aren't exactly matching that remit. I don't think I will be renewing my subs.
2 months ago
I’ve got a few days to decide, but at the moment there’s no way I’m joining yet - I’m going to wait until they do what they said in the meeting re engagement and communications.

Agree if they had more meetings they’d be no need for so many questions in one go.
2 months ago
The numbers say it all.

47 folk voted this year. Approx 11% of the Membership?

Just over 20 were on the Meeting, 11 of whom make up the CUOSC Board. Approx 5% of the Membership?

I’d love to know who the 40 or so who always vote ‘Yes’ are? Must be the Board and their families!
2 months ago
I find it odd that the trust complained about the negativity of the “fit for purpose” survey as they called it because it didn’t cover a big enough fan base.

Yet they think the supporters support them when only 40 (no idea who these people are) vote for them!

Unbelievable really
2 months ago
I find it odd that the trust complained about the negativity of the “fit for purpose” survey as they called it because it didn’t cover a big enough fan base.


What did they say about it?

Fair enough the amount of people voting isn't enough that it represents all fans. But literally NOBODY voted in favour of them. The poll doesn't even set a high standard for the Trust to meet, it's not asking are they doing exceptionally well. It's basically asking are the Trust competent enough in carrying out their role, and not a single supporter seems to think they are.

Jim, Billy, instead of moaning about negativity how about you create accounts on here and discuss with the fans what you can do to make us believe the Trust are fit for purpose?
2 months ago
I find it odd that the trust complained about the negativity of the “fit for purpose” survey as they called it because it didn’t cover a big enough fan base.


What did they say about it?

Fair enough the amount of people voting isn't enough that it represents all fans. But literally NOBODY voted in favour of them. The poll doesn't even set a high standard for the Trust to meet, it's not asking are they doing exceptionally well. It's basically asking are the Trust competent enough in carrying out their role, and not a single supporter seems to think they are.

Jim, Billy, instead of moaning about negativity how about you create accounts on here and discuss with the fans what you can do to make us believe the Trust are fit for purpose?


Basically ignored it! Just 18 they commented on here but didn’t take into account other avenues.

Not indicative of supporters
2 months ago
Ignoring it or denying (say it’s not indicative of the whole support) is arrogance that many commented on IMO.

People bothered to reply to my post, none were my comments and to be denied a feasible comment and told your not indicative of the overall support was disappointing.

This I felt was more the old guard, Mark did comment a little on it and did on Facebook, although not many agreed, he did come on.

40 votes for out of 47 is ok have support.
65 out of 67 say trust not fit for purpose - not indicative of support

The trust have 400 members which is a fair point but only 47 vote.
2 months ago
I got an email from CUOSC earlier, saying I was welcome to send an email with my questions I hadn't asked and they would do their best to answer them. I'm not going to, I would feel like a moaning Minnie, making a special thing of it (and I had already binned my notes and don't feel like rummaging through the recycling to find them :) ).

Still, nice to have the chance to, and a nice conciliatory email.
2 months ago
I had already binned my notes and don't feel like rummaging through the recycling to find them


Think we have found a bit of common ground at last Bumble. I like recycling and not enough people do it. The Earth will be around for a lot longer than us and we should be taking much better care of it than we do right now, for future generations.
2 months ago
I never received an email :D

I had others but can’t be bothered to write!


A trust member who has attended your meeting has mentioned the below, please comment.

“Their meetings are disorganised and the chair of meetings allows micro meetings and it goes poor. Loses it points.”

Why do certain members of the trust use the term “we are only volunteers” I personally volunteer at a number of things and never use this excuse and I am held accountable. Can you see this term gets peoples backs up as if you haven’t the time, don’t do the job - remember you put yourself up for the position and were elected. We don’t necessarily need quick answers and understand this, but IMO this term is used to try to stop criticism!

I feel that the meeting held re “unscrupulous gate” was fair and good however I won’t go back on my “dirty work” comment as Billy could have emailed directly - why didn’t he? I felt the message received was dodgy, so do others. I don’t apologise for any offence regarding this.

Addition - I’m happy to send evidence, for info the evidence didn’t come from BA! The verbal evidence did and XXXX is going to meet Billy at his shop once Billy returns from holiday. Once this meeting has occurred I’ll send the info with names etc.

Did Jim Mitchell go through re education?
Who funds the diversity re education program that a trust member attended?
What does Frank feel he can bring to the trust in his next 3 years that he hasn’t in his time on the board?

I have follow up questions re the AGM that will be asked via cusg. Not as many as 20
2 months ago
2 hours of sitting through their AGM where they talk about fan engagement and how they are going to have meetings etc, improve communications.

They send out this beauty of proposed meeting dates - they are taking the piss, they have to be taking the piss no one can be this useless.

No dates for any meeting, the most pointless message I’ve ever seen.

I don’t know whether to be really angry or just laugh, I’ll try the latter.

No £10 from me
2 months ago
2 hours of sitting through their AGM where they talk about fan engagement and how they are going to have meetings etc, improve communications.

They send out this beauty of proposed meeting dates - they are taking the piss, they have to be taking the piss no one can be this useless.

No dates for any meeting, the most pointless message I’ve ever seen.

I don’t know whether to be really angry or just laugh, I’ll try the latter.

No £10 from me



Well, at least that will give them something to celebrate. :D
2 months ago
2 hours of sitting through their AGM where they talk about fan engagement and how they are going to have meetings etc, improve communications.

They send out this beauty of proposed meeting dates - they are taking the piss, they have to be taking the piss no one can be this useless.

No dates for any meeting, the most pointless message I’ve ever seen.

I don’t know whether to be really angry or just laugh, I’ll try the latter.

No £10 from me



Well, at least that will give them something to celebrate. :D


I’ve always been critical, but the last year has made we want to bang their heads together.

There’ll be happy I won’t be able to attend meetings, not that they have many, but I bet it increases.

When you have people like Bumble not re joining then there’s issues.
2 months ago
Nice of them to abdicate fund raising duties to CUSG. Ill bet their tireless volunteers will be glad of a rest after all the hard work theyve put in over the years.
2 months ago
Nigel Davidson response – defends Trust. Says 5 year plan had some successes. Questions if 18 people’s views on a messageboard are representative of the wider fanbase? People haven’t said specifically why the Trust is not fit for purpose.

While I accept that 18 people aren't representative of the entire fanbase, I do think it says something that literally NOBODY voted in favour of them. On the most popular club forum, not a single fan felt the Trust are fit for purpose.
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