Monday, 30 August 2021
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Hello folks,

The next CUSG Meeting is scheduled for next Monday (6th Sept).

This is a reminder that we will not be attending, having tendered our resignation from the Group recently.

If you have any Questions you would like raised via the Meeting, you are advised to email them in to the CUSG email address - Hello@cusg.co.uk

By all means post on here the Question’s you’re sending in, for discussion etc, but please note we won’t be sending them in for you!

We’ll still operate a Thread for these Meetings, as people like to discuss the information that comes out from them.

Thanks,

Admin.
1 month ago
I might pop in next time I go to a game.
1 month ago
Pointed to this by someone else but this link: https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2021/september/face-in-the-crowd-remaining-cut-outs-now-displayed-at-brunton-park/

There’s a paragraph that states the below.

Funds raised were purely for the purpose of supporting the club through the crisis and not to be used for any other purpose.

Again! Where does a bar refurbishment fit into that criteria?
1 month ago
The club in fairness have rejected the donation from the trust/reunited towards the bar refurbishment - well done

However the trust have said it was the club who suggested it ???

Anyway going forward we have 13k sat in the bank for over a year with no idea where to spend it on.

Therefore It’s not going to be used towards the original remit of helping the club through Covid. So I suggest supporters send suggestions to the trust on how the money is to be used/spent (especially those that donated) and the trust can create a poll of these suggestions and put it to supporters - I’ve built the tools for them to do this so there’s no excuse, it might even give them a bit of positivity asking supporters opinions?

Over to you trust
1 month ago
Trust didn’t like that suggestion ffs
1 month ago
So they have a problem then with13k of money that was specifically ringfenced. Ask those that donated what they want or hand it back are the options or they are on a sticky wicket especially if they ever plan on doing something again.
1 month ago
It just reinforces the point that the Trust are totally useless and they definitely shouldn't be masquerading as the Official Supporters Club as it's patently obvious that they have as much interest in the supporters of the club as the BoD have.
It comes across that now they have their snouts in the BoD's trough to hell with the rest of the support.
1 month ago
So they have a problem then with13k of money that was specifically ringfenced. Ask those that donated what they want or hand it back are the options or they are on a sticky wicket especially if they ever plan on doing something again.


It’s been in the trusts account for over a year, they bought a nordboard and that’s it. There’s confusion over who suggested the fund be used for the bar refurb but to be in on it and make the suggestion is absurd.

The reason I picked up on it now was the article in the clubs info about cardboard cut outs. It stated again about how the money was going to be used and included for to help the club through covid and no other reasons.

The club confirmed they rejected the offer from the trust to fund the refurb.

Going forward we have 13k in the bank, with a little interest I presume, and not spent. Whatever happens going forward the fund won’t be used in the original remit. The trust say they have another project to use the funds on, but no further details - it’s been a year!

So I suggested ask the members/supporters for reasonable suggestions and take a vote on it. But they didn’t like it!
1 month ago
Questions

Hi

Questions for the club/cusg please?

Does the club/cusg find it acceptable that despite being number 2 for fan engagement a member of cusg, namely the trust, have reverted back to old ways of ignoring questions/criticism?

Before the messageboard joined cusg this was the norm. Thankfully when the mods joined and did the questions the trust answered, but now it seems that this Avenue has stopped the trust have reverted back to ignoring which is disappointing.

Can the club confirm if they initially suggested using the reunited fund for Murphys bar refurbishment? I understand this has now been rejected but it's intriguing how the initial suggestion came about?

Thanks
1 month ago
Nothing to do with me as I've let my membership lapse but I admire the optimism that the money won't be needed for covid issues.

I would be keeping that money ringfenced for the next few months, at least until the spring.
1 month ago
I agree there Bumble
1 month ago
Nothing to do with me as I've let my membership lapse but I admire the optimism that the money won't be needed for covid issues.

I would be keeping that money ringfenced for the next few months, at least until the spring.


The money has been kept for over a year - with no detail or idea on how it’s going to be spent.

Now I’m with you and understand the winter may be dodgy and I’ve no confidence in what Boris has said re no further lockdowns etc but we have to go with that - yes I know his changed his mind a million times.

Otherwise we could keep the money forever in case Covid variants ever arises or there’s another lockdown or we get to spring and 18 months on the monies still there with no idea what to do with it.
1 month ago
If you are being honest Mullen they have been a trust for a long time with no idea how to do that either
1 month ago
If you are being honest Mullen they have been a trust for a long time with no idea how to do that either


Yep - sad isn’t it.
1 month ago
I cannot believe the energy wasted on here over a few quid-which hasn’t been spent!!!Its still there!!!
1 month ago
I cannot believe the energy wasted on here over a few quid-which hasn’t been spent!!!Its still there!!!


The problem was suggesting it’s use for a bar refurbishment.

My uncle is a pensioner and hasn’t much money but put £200 towards the fund. A few quid to you maybe but not him. The remit was to help the club through Covid - he was livid at the suggestion of it going towards a bar refurbishment.

It isn’t now thankfully - so what next?

Do we leave it there or spend it or as Bob said offer it back?
1 month ago
It’s also causes issues for future fundraising IMO.

We had a fundraising under Curle and it got spent on a dud.

We’ve had a fundraiser to get us through Covid, a small proportion spent on gym equipment and 13k left with no idea what to do with it.

It’s been held for over a year. Yes we can keep it incase things get bad again or spend it, but as both go against the remit and the stupidity of offering to use it on a bar refurbishment, maybe just maybe it may be a good idea to ask members and those that donated what to use it on - adding the suggestion as well to keep hold for x months seems fair also, but as it’s an unknown and the trust wanted to give it to the club to refurb a bar ask the supporters ffs.

That’s two fundraisers that have been crap for one reason or another. Either wasted or held with no idea what to do with it.

Why the hell should someone donate to the next one?
1 month ago
Yes there was the flags, one with a purpose and an outcome and didn’t involve the trust.

Future fund raisers need to be like that, set up for a specific thing IMO.

Not to be given to a manager to spunk on a dud and not held for over a year, with no idea what to do with it.
1 month ago
So it was Clibbens who suggested the funds be used for the bar refurbishment and the trust went with it - god help us.

However praise for his honesty, I believe it may have been rejected due to the outcry on here and other social media?

Can the mods remember Clibbens asking in a meeting? What was the reaction?



Hi

Questions for the club/cusg please?

Does the club/cusg find it acceptable that despite being number 2 for fan engagement a member of cusg, namely the trust, have reverted back to old ways of ignoring questions/criticism?

It is not in the remit of CUSG to be involved in how any CUSG member group communicates with its members – just is it wasn’t CUSG’s job in the past to be involved in how the moderators, moderated the forum - Imagine that 😊

From a club point of view – the same point applies to the club. We don’t intervene or comment on its operations.

I don’t know what questions are unanswered or how CUOSC is dealing with them anyway – so couldn’t comment specifically either.

The club is ranked second for fan engagement. It is a ranking for us (not CUOSC communications with fans) based on what we do.

That said, in principle, you can see in my approach to answering questions, how important I view answering them, in ensuring the best practice communication and engaging with the people who you deal with. My aim is to make CUFC the best – it is something we can do – as its not driven by money or facilities – its about culture and action

It is not in the club’s remit to deal and interject with the communications of the parties we work with. That said where it adversely impacts on the club, I ensure our position is made clear in the right way.

CUOSC said at the last meeting “CUOSC are planning to take direct questions too, as part of a revamped engagement policy, to be announced soon”
https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2021/september/cusg-september-meeting-minutes/

That shows to me they are looking to improve and recognise the concerns and needs.

Before the messageboard joined cusg this was the norm. Thankfully when the mods joined and did the questions the trust answered, but now it seems that this Avenue has stopped the trust have reverted back to ignoring which is disappointing.

Based on the above, what CUOSC said is they are not intending to ignore questions – they are intending to answer.

Can the club confirm if they initially suggested using the reunited fund for Murphys bar refurbishment?
Yes I suggested it see below

I understand this has now been rejected
As the financial impact of covid became clearer. I told CUOSC we no longer needed it for that particular project. We have agreed with CUOSC if other projects emerge within the remit of the fund they can be discussed see below.

but it's intriguing how the initial suggestion came about?
When CV19 lock down struck and the 19/20 season stopped and the club’s income ceased from games (from March 2020) it looked like we faced a very difficult time financially. There was no bailouts on the horizon and we didn’t know how long fans would be out and furlough was just starting. I had discussions with Jim and Billy who kindly wanted to offer support and help financially where they could. We discussed ideas and the Reunited campaign came about https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2020/may/cuosc-introducing-the-carlisle-reunited-fund/

After the Reunited money initially came in, I was asked what areas the club needed help with financially . David H immediately suggested some new gym equipment (as we had suffered a number of hamstring, soft tissue injuries in pre-season). https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2020/december/cuosc-carlisle-reunited-funding-helps-club/ Funds from Reunited paid for that in full at the start.

Before covid CUSG was looking at bar refurbs – the aim was for them to be paid for by CUSG fund raising (and if necessary topped up by the club). Because of covid, CUSG fund raising stopped and Covid meant at that time, we had no cash to do it at that point.

When the bar refurbishment restarted, the Sporting Inn costs left a funding gap for CUSG and no approved funds from the club. I suggested as the club couldn’t do it, could CUOSC help using Reunited funds. The alternative was to leave the project in limbo pending more fund raising, while CUOSC held funds it had raised.

In my opinion, using fan donations from Reunited, to fund fan initiatives (like sporting inn) which could not be pursued by the club because of covid fell exactly within the remit of the fund. I saw it as more in keeping with the intentions of the fund scope than buying more player gym equipment. The reality is the football department has not seen its funding impacted by CV19. The rest of the club has borne the burden – as I have detailed in my updates https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2021/may/chief-exec-dealing-with-the-1.2m-of-lost-normal-income/ “Throughout the coronavirus crisis our aim has been to continue with this approach, to avoid reducing our football spending”.

As time passed and the season came upon us, and we worked through covid and the Sporting Inn work, I club decided we did not need the cuosc funds at this time and could pay for required Sporting Inn work from our own resources. So I informed CUOSC its kind offer would not be taken up.

CUOSC attracts criticism for some things but on the Re:united initiative and refurb donation offer, the intent and the offer were entirely proper in my view.

If any fans didn’t like using the money on something that benefits the fans, they can take comfort in the fact the club didn’t get that money and it wasn’t spend on making the Sporting Inn better.

As I said in my updates, the club has got through covid financially, so far, and on that basis the money wasn’t called upon except for the gym equipment. It is still held by CUOSC.

I hope that clarifies things

I requested help for refurb costs of Sporting Inn as it was clear there would be a shortfall from CUSG funds given the costs. CUOSC agreed.
1 month ago
13 grand Richard.

I donated to the last fund raiser for a player.This after being asked to help pay the wages for a manager after the Kav debacle.I said yes but the deal fell away.

I won’t be offering one penny going forwards,simply because we at the bottom of the food chain clearly know nothing about running a business, notably a football club, so why offer?
1 month ago
Full marks to Nigel for responding and being honest.
Personally I have never seen a problem with the money raised going towards a bar refurbishment 'for use by the supporters'.
Also, I have not seen any comments from those who did contribute stating what THEY want the money spent on - only Mullen saying he doesn't want it spent on tidying up a bar.
1 month ago
I don't have a problem with it either and think it's a sensible idea tbh . But it depends on how Cuosc organised it and worded the campaign . You could equally argue that its needed as a consequence of covid as much as the help through covid as NC says every department apart from football has suffered through covid . The thing is doing nothing is wrong , but doing the bar or actually asking those who donated on their thoughts if it is felt that it's a change of plan is moving forward and helping the club / fans whereas it sitting in a bank account is doing nothing and is against what the original thought was and is no different to the donations not being made in the first place as the club and fans have not benefitted .
If nothing else comes from this hopefully Mullens question will get some movement going as it needs to be done whatever it is.
1 month ago
Bizarrely looking back over trusts briefings not once does it say the club suggested it - it came from the trust.

Both silly for suggesting and going ahead with it.

They was plenty of opposition to it on here and elsewhere.

My suggestion ask the supporters and those that donated and in future do a fundraiser for a specific thing like with the flags that got support.
1 month ago
I just think the whole thing wasn't thought through, which is understandable at the time because back then no one knew what was going to happen re covid, but to me the whole thing just emphasises how difficult CUOSC find it to communicate.

There were a few different ideas coming together. The faceboards were popular, fun and helped take the barrenness from an empty stadium. I think a fair few people would have bought them without the raising money aspect. It's the money aspect that has been the problem. No one knew what was going to happen and it might have been better just to word the blurb "any monies made from this venture will be given to Carlisle United for a specific project, chosen by you the fans, when fans are back in the stadium.

So now the club could be asked if it has any projects, CUSG could be asked, four projects chosen and fans could vote on the one they would like the money to go towards. It might even be the refurbishing of the bars, or plenty of other things.

That way the fans, who raised the money would be involved from start to finish and would feel their money was appreciated. At the moment it feels more like Fagin has squirrelled fans money away without a please or thank you.
1 month ago
Agree Bumble!

I said at the time that we need to know what’s it’s to be used for or we’d have issues - and here we are.

Agree, good suggestions and I was thinking along the same lines. Ask supporters, make them feel wanted and involved.

As it’s a trust initiative they can do it themselves or via cusg (be better) as it involves the club, get suggestions and move forward.

Agree again the problem was communication from the trust, or lack of and understanding. They always seem to make a simple thing so complicated.
1 month ago
I would like my contribution to go to Norman Steel to help him recoup some of the debt he incurred helping drive Fred Story from the club.
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