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09 Nov 2018 14:47 #151 by Waltero
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\\\\I stand corrected on the name but I stand by what I said. It's a farce the whole scenario. I respect what the two mods are trying to do but I fear we're all fighting a losing battle with the lot of them and I include the trust in that statement. Still they won't spoil my day out in Crewe tomorrow. I actually look forward to away games more then home games. Better facilities and atmosphere
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09 Nov 2018 14:51 #152 by Bumble
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I asked the question about where the Lottery money goes and was pleased to see it still goes to the Academy. I really hope that this will be advertised more. It's actually nice to think money would be going to the Academy. I really don't understand why this isn't being shouted from the rooftops.

The National Lottery is forever promoting itself, announcing the good causes it helps. It would be good to have a graph or something on the website saying "So far this year we have raised £xxxx for the Academy. Thank you for your support."

Mascots It was a good detailed answer but unfortunately missed out the answer I was looking for. When it was announced that the club were going to charge mascots the reason given was because some of the Junior Blues hadn't had chance to be one.

I was wondering if those Junior Blues had taken up the offer to pay to be mascots, therefore sorting out the problem. Heyho, I wrote several bits to the question and probs confused the issue.

84 mascots gives a return of between 3k and 4k so at least the scheme is in the black. Good to see the guard of honour s popular.

My other queston, about how the money was raised for CUSG, wasn't asked? I see there is £351.16 in the pot, I just wondered how it got there.
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09 Nov 2018 14:58 #153 by High Street
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What a fuss over some meeting notes, from people that don’t want to to go to them anyway.
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09 Nov 2018 14:58 #154 by CCU
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Bumble wrote: My other queston, about how the money was raised for CUSG, wasn't asked? I see there is £351.16 in the pot, I just wondered how it got there.


From the Minutes:

CUSG has done/is doing various things which cost money. Where does this money come from?

Income from sales of pin badges and individual groups contributions.

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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09 Nov 2018 15:13 #155 by Bumble
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Ha, thanks CCU, been processing photos all morning , so eyes are still crossed at the moment, missed that bit.

Where it says contributions from individual groups, do all groups contribute? Are we (message board) contributing, how does it work?

I've missed the pin badges entirely, do they say CUSG or are they Carlisle Unitd badges?
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09 Nov 2018 15:20 - 09 Nov 2018 15:22 #156 by CCU
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Bumble wrote: Where it says contributions from individual groups, do all groups contribute? Are we (message board) contributing, how does it work?

I've missed the pin badges entirely, do they say CUSG or are they Carlisle Unitd badges?


As far I’m aware any contributions have been voluntarily so far, not sure who has put what in.

We haven’t as yet, it’s not something we’ve thought about in all honesty, and would say only way would be donations - can’t see that working in the present climate!

I’m not sure on the Badges, I’ll find out next time.

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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09 Nov 2018 15:53 #157 by Bumble
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Mullen103 wrote: Ok, I don’t know why the messageboard reps couldn’t release this before, but never mind.

Non Execs

I/we know what non execs are. It was a general response on what non execs are. The question asked was what our non exec directors do and hold the club to account.

The trust

Less than 500 members so can’t say they represent anyone. As expected they won’t resign from either board. They say they put their view across but they never get listened too. If they happy to be involved they have to take responsibility for the shit show.

SLO

I’ve said my piece that it should be a paid position with full accountability however as it’s now voluntary why has one person who has been identified been approached without asking supporters?

EWM

So Kevin Dobinson is helping out. Surely an earlier statement should of been released instead of finding out by these minutes.

No surprise the debt to them hasn’t been answered.

Disability issues

We’ve had myself and now Barbara filling in forms. If Barry can’t fill in or hasn’t time is he the right person to lead this group?

I’m sure the away shelter only got done due to the bad press.


There is a lot happening with the disabled facilities at the moment and there is quite a lot more to getting the grant I'm helping with than just filling in a form.

Thankfully, with the help of two people who know a lot more than I about Building regs and practicalities we are moving forward. I am happy to help with this, giving Barry chance to work on other things but he is most definitely in charge.
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09 Nov 2018 16:07 - 09 Nov 2018 16:13 #158 by Dancingbear
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how would CUSG score yourselves for effectiveness?

Simon responded with the question – would things be better without CUSG?


Surprised no one has picked up on this patronising answer. Did anyone reply with would it be any worse without it? A couple of emails from Alan and also a couple of irate ladies i saw posting on twitter seem to have done more. Ive always said im in favour of the mods representing us but that answer for me is terrible.

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09 Nov 2018 16:27 #159 by Mullen103
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Bumble wrote:

Mullen103 wrote: Ok, I don’t know why the messageboard reps couldn’t release this before, but never mind.

Non Execs

I/we know what non execs are. It was a general response on what non execs are. The question asked was what our non exec directors do and hold the club to account.

The trust

Less than 500 members so can’t say they represent anyone. As expected they won’t resign from either board. They say they put their view across but they never get listened too. If they happy to be involved they have to take responsibility for the shit show.

SLO

I’ve said my piece that it should be a paid position with full accountability however as it’s now voluntary why has one person who has been identified been approached without asking supporters?

EWM

So Kevin Dobinson is helping out. Surely an earlier statement should of been released instead of finding out by these minutes.

No surprise the debt to them hasn’t been answered.

Disability issues

We’ve had myself and now Barbara filling in forms. If Barry can’t fill in or hasn’t time is he the right person to lead this group?

I’m sure the away shelter only got done due to the bad press.


There is a lot happening with the disabled facilities at the moment and there is quite a lot more to getting the grant I'm helping with than just filling in a form.

Thankfully, with the help of two people who know a lot more than I about Building regs and practicalities we are moving forward. I am happy to help with this, giving Barry chance to work on other things but he is most definitely in charge.


But.... but.... can’t be bothered to argue, just let whoever get on with it.

At least we’re not Stockport
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09 Nov 2018 16:27 #160 by Mullen103
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Dancingbear wrote: On a scale of 1 to 10, how would CUSG score yourselves for effectiveness?

Simon responded with the question – would things be better without CUSG?


Surprised no one has picked up on this patronising answer. Did anyone reply with would it be any worse without it? A couple of emails from Alan and also a couple of irate ladies i saw posting on twitter seem to have done more. Ive always said im in favour of the mods representing us but that answer for me is terrible.


Simon would make a good traffic warden.

At least we’re not Stockport
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09 Nov 2018 16:34 #161 by Bumble
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I'm having trouble with the SLO paragraph.

"CUSG reps had met since the last meeting to discuss the role profile and skillset required. Three expressions of interest had been received. One candidate was considered suitable and would be approached to become ’lead’ SLO, to be assisted by the others. There would be a meeting with the Club which Katie as main Club liaison would attend to introduce the candidate and get them debriefed on the role and the immediate requirements.!

The wording has come straight out of the MI6 handbook, so many words, so little information!

I really don't want to write this one off but I'm feeling very pessimistic.
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09 Nov 2018 16:38 #162 by Southernblue
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Bumble wrote:
Mascots It was a good detailed answer but unfortunately missed out the answer I was looking for. When it was announced that the club were going to charge mascots the reason given was because some of the Junior Blues hadn't had chance to be one.

I was wondering if those Junior Blues had taken up the offer to pay to be mascots, therefore sorting out the problem. Heyho, I wrote several bits to the question and probs confused the issue.

84 mascots gives a return of between 3k and 4k so at least the scheme is in the black. Good to see the guard of honour s popular.


Although it isn't clear i guess the answer is in there in a round about way. Of the 84 only 4 of them have been mascots in the previous 5 years for home games in the old scheme, meaning there are 80 who've now had or will be having the opportunity and you would probably be safe to assume a lot of those will be junior blues who hadn't previously been selected. Also 84 booked is a considerable increase on any previous years total
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09 Nov 2018 16:56 - 09 Nov 2018 18:50 #163 by Bumble
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It's a bit tricky to assume though. I'm sure they will have the info as they will be monitoring it to make sure the Junior Blues who haven't been mascots are taking it up.

I know one who isn't because they couldn't afford it this season but hope they might be able to in the future. The other side of it is chldren not in the Junior Blues also have chance and maybe will come again after a good experience.

It will always feel wrong to me, but I fully appreciate others think it's great, and it isn't costing the club money.
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09 Nov 2018 17:34 #164 by Alan
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Dancingbear wrote: On a scale of 1 to 10, how would CUSG score yourselves for effectiveness?

Simon responded with the question – would things be better without CUSG?


Surprised no one has picked up on this patronising answer. Did anyone reply with would it be any worse without it? A couple of emails from Alan and also a couple of irate ladies i saw posting on twitter seem to have done more. Ive always said im in favour of the mods representing us but that answer for me is terrible.



Nothing less than I expected they probably rate themselves as a ten hence why they never find the need to get things done promptly when in reality they may scrape a two in my view for effectiveness.
Travel may be good if your in the loop but for outsiders it's a closed shop and nothing that I've heard has changed my mind on this matter.

What has struck me about these minutes is the Straight batting of any question which is remotely difficult and just confirms my thoughts these meetings are complete and utter waste of time.

Questions for next meeting from me in the hope of getting straight answer.

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09 Nov 2018 18:33 #165 by Alan
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Thanks CCU and Mouldy for asking my questions.
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09 Nov 2018 18:45 #166 by Mullen103
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Alan wrote: Thanks CCU and Mouldy for asking my questions.


Yes I appreciate mine being asked as well and appreciate the club and group answering even if I don’t agree with them.

In your opinion, how did the meeting go? Was anyone over defensive of their group? Did some talk more than others? How long did it last? We’re the answers pre prepared prior to the meeting?

At least we’re not Stockport
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09 Nov 2018 18:56 #167 by Seekaye
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Bumble wrote: It's a bit tricky to assume though. I'm sure they will have the info as they will be monitoring it to make sure the Junior Blues who haven't been mascots are taking it up.

I know one who isn't because they could afford it this season but hope they might be able to in the future. The other side of it is chldren not in the Junior Blues also have chance and maybe will come again after a good experience.

It will always feel wrong to me, but I fully appreciate others think it's great, and it isn't costing the club money.


My daughter is a season ticket holder and was never selected to be mascot. She was mascot on Saturday and loved it. After standing in the rain watching us lose to Morecambe it has reignited her enthusiasm. She even asked if we were going to Crewe tomorrow. The players were great with her, as were Lumsdon and Phillips on the radio gantry. Free tickets for her mother and sister along with a nice pencil case and some bate, you can’t teally argue at forty quid, especially considering her season ticket only cost a tenner.

I appreciate your views on this but the club aren’t doing it as a money maker, just using it as an opportunity for enthusing young fans which I think should be applauded.
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09 Nov 2018 19:55 #168 by Bumble
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I just find it hard to see why the club charges at all.

I fully agree any Junior Blue should get the chance, who wants to be mascot. I just don't see how the money comes in.

This season already we have 23 more mascots than last season. It seems that there are three or four mascots every game this season where last season there was two.

So I don't understand why they didn't just up the numbers to three or four without the charge. That would have surely cleared the backlog as there are still spaces for children going forward.

It seems a shame some kids won't get chance because of finances but that's the way of the world I suppose.
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09 Nov 2018 20:09 #169 by Mouldy
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The meeting started with Simon (chair) reminding groups why we were there - this is important I think as currently there are perhaps a couple of groups there (or not there) that don’t treat it as what it is/could be. Without a doubt I feel theCumbrians.net were most vocal, both in this meeting and previous - that could be in part because I have strong opinions on most things we’re discussing. I think another contributing factor to that is CCU and myself (along with the other three mods in our group chat) actually take it seriously and discuss on quite a regular basis what we can contribute. Then there’s the input from you guys and gals that are giving us some great questions. Andy Hall, Amy Nixon and Katie Mitchell were also vocal on a number of points both providing info/answers and giving their thoughts.

I feel Disabled Supporters Group, Away Travel and Scottish Supporters could add more value if they contributed more. That is not a criticism, just an observation that they’re relatively reserved and the more points shared, the more scope for improvement. A few groups were not represented, unfortunately, but not for the first time. Terry from London Branch is a very honest and to the point chap. I’ve enjoyed him being part of the group for the last two meetings. (I think it’s 2 and not 3). CUOSC are fairly vocal but I find some of what was said at this meeting e.g not supporting any form of streaming a very prehistoric mindset and if they cannot see the positives in streaming for fans and potentially club (agreed its not everyone’s cup of tea) then I am concerned.

I think CUSAT were quick to defend their motives but I don’t think this was in any way other than clear up confusion caused and to answer direct questions. If anything, I feel I was probably the most defensive and supportive of our ‘members’. I’m very aware at time things on here get personal, bitchy and every now and again unacceptably so, but I do strongly believe that with the footfall we get it’s a great platform to share, discuss and improve CUFC. If you cut through the tantrums, the late night booze fuelled posts and other nonsense that’s here from time to time, we do get some really good points raised. I expressed that very passionately on Monday.

We had hoped to have an 8pm curfew but the meeting ran beyond 9, approx 9.20 I got in the car. That was mainly because Nigel Clibbens and Andy Hall we’re both very vocal about answering the questions on the night, not leaving some and emailing responses as suggested by Simon (chair). I thought that was good of them and I appreciated that sentiment. I would also say that some answers were prepared, but that was mainly for the ones that needed numbers - mascots for example. Part of the reason we sent them over earlier was to get more padded or worthwhile answers.

I will repeat, I do not think CUSG is currently as efficient, effective or productive as it could be. However, overall I do think that the meetings are becoming more productive and heading in the right direction.

Slightly off topic but still CUSG: I have proposed to Simon (chair) during this week by email that in an attempt to increase productivity, accountability but more importantly drive progress, CUSG should appoint a few ‘roles’. A couple would be:

Communications - charged with more regular comms, perhaps speedier, and be more relevant on ‘hot topics’ e.g. disabled facilities.

Fundraising - the group needs funds to help make things better for fans. There’s no point discussing things if there’s no funds to improve stuff for fans - admittedly some funding and cash for improvements should come from the club and CUOSC as part owners.

This should hopefully be discussed at the next meeting with things formalised shortly after if all goes as I hope.

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09 Nov 2018 20:32 #170 by Mullen103
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Thanks Mouldy

I found that informative, it’s important to get your own opinions on here and something that should/could be done on the night/day after along with telling us the minute release date as there was nothing sensitive or any meeting content in that.

I don’t think the meeting prior to you and CCU going was any use whatsoever. I still have huge reservations about the whole thing but at least questions are getting asked and answered so you’ve got my vote to carry on going for now.

At least we’re not Stockport
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09 Nov 2018 21:39 #171 by newcarlislefan
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Thanks to CCU and Mouldy for going and asking my question - appreciate that.
Seems I'm the only one remotely bothered about the current matchday programme and it's certainly the worst I've seen in the League this year so far unfortunately.
I can appreciate the old one lost money and people get all they need on their phones now.
I know in the scheme of things it's not a biggie but for saddoes like me I miss the old one.
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09 Nov 2018 22:09 #172 by seesaw50
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Bumble wrote: I just find it hard to see why the club charges at all.

I fully agree any Junior Blue should get the chance, who wants to be mascot. I just don't see how the money comes in.

This season already we have 23 more mascots than last season. It seems that there are three or four mascots every game this season where last season there was two.

So I don't understand why they didn't just up the numbers to three or four without the charge. That would have surely cleared the backlog as there are still spaces for children going forward.

It seems a shame some kids won't get chance because of finances but that's the way of the world I suppose.


It's hard to see how the income from mascots isn't a factor. Like you say the numbers have increased , however they have to apply to be one,so we are probably being cynical bumble.

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09 Nov 2018 23:36 #173 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote:

Bumble wrote: I just find it hard to see why the club charges at all.

I fully agree any Junior Blue should get the chance, who wants to be mascot. I just don't see how the money comes in.

This season already we have 23 more mascots than last season. It seems that there are three or four mascots every game this season where last season there was two.

So I don't understand why they didn't just up the numbers to three or four without the charge. That would have surely cleared the backlog as there are still spaces for children going forward.

It seems a shame some kids won't get chance because of finances but that's the way of the world I suppose.


It's hard to see how the income from mascots isn't a factor. Like you say the numbers have increased , however they have to apply to be one,so we are probably being cynical bumble.


I know it’s going over old ground but it was great for me to be able to get my son to be mascot on the day of his birthday. The experience if you boil it down to costs would be similar to if you were to pay for the things individually so taking that out of it what you get for free is bloody brilliant. I appreciate not everyone feels that way but the club whilst maybe not losing money aren’t making any either.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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10 Nov 2018 00:15 - 10 Nov 2018 00:17 #174 by howoldboy
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cufcmike wrote: I think you should maybe take a few days off...


Maybe you should instead. If you can't read between the lines probably best to stop and think before posting.
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10 Nov 2018 06:11 #175 by CarlisleWhite
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CCU wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote:

CCU wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: And just to complete matters we now have PD's representative attending as well.
You just could not make Carlisle United up, it would be too far fetched.


There was no mention of PD. Kevin Dobinson said he was an ‘old friend’ of DH from his Gretna days and that was why he’d been helping out...


CCU - and did you challenge this? I have already said on this board he was at the interviews for JS, which was well before DH came on board, so another blatant lie allowed to pass.
If lies are being allowed to pass, what is the point?


I only arrived at the Meeting at 18:15 (Traffic after finishing a 12hr shift!) so didn’t catch all of KD’s talk.

If you say that’s what happened (I recall you mentioning it previously) why not ask yourself, or ask us to ask for you? You say that he’s lieing about his circumstance, then challenge it?

I attend for the Messageboard, so if you have a query, problem, question, I’ll ask it. I’m a messenger for exactly that kind of stuff. I can’t guarantee you’ll like the answer, but I’ll ask it for you!


CCU - Having thought more about it, I won't be asking a question on it. I was told in reasonable confidence, and have said far more than I should have on it.
In the overall picture, it's the telling of lies without batting an eyelid that was my issue. We see it time amd time again with the board and the Trust, and here was the ideal opportunity to pick them up on it, but it was ignored.
Like I say, as with Mike at the Trust, it just feels like all have jumped sides unquestionably for the chance to listen to Comical Andy and NC spout drivel.
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10 Nov 2018 06:48 #176 by Bumble
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Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote:

Bumble wrote: I just find it hard to see why the club charges at all.

I fully agree any Junior Blue should get the chance, who wants to be mascot. I just don't see how the money comes in.

This season already we have 23 more mascots than last season. It seems that there are three or four mascots every game this season where last season there was two.

So I don't understand why they didn't just up the numbers to three or four without the charge. That would have surely cleared the backlog as there are still spaces for children going forward.

It seems a shame some kids won't get chance because of finances but that's the way of the world I suppose.


It's hard to see how the income from mascots isn't a factor. Like you say the numbers have increased , however they have to apply to be one,so we are probably being cynical bumble.


I know it’s going over old ground but it was great for me to be able to get my son to be mascot on the day of his birthday. The experience if you boil it down to costs would be similar to if you were to pay for the things individually so taking that out of it what you get for free is bloody brilliant. I appreciate not everyone feels that way but the club whilst maybe not losing money aren’t making any either.


I am really pleased your family enjoyed it. It always has been a really good experience and its doubly so if the whole family are fans. Your point about the cost though only works if you aren't a season ticket holder. If a fan has saved all year to buy a season ticket for themselves and child, who is then a junior blue. Then it's another £40 to pay. They don't need tickets on the day. So they are getting a worse deal than a casual supporter.
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10 Nov 2018 08:05 - 10 Nov 2018 08:17 #177 by Alan
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Bumble wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote:

Bumble wrote: I just find it hard to see why the club charges at all.

I fully agree any Junior Blue should get the chance, who wants to be mascot. I just don't see how the money comes in.

This season already we have 23 more mascots than last season. It seems that there are three or four mascots every game this season where last season there was two.

So I don't understand why they didn't just up the numbers to three or four without the charge. That would have surely cleared the backlog as there are still spaces for children going forward.

It seems a shame some kids won't get chance because of finances but that's the way of the world I suppose.


It's hard to see how the income from mascots isn't a factor. Like you say the numbers have increased , however they have to apply to be one,so we are probably being cynical bumble.


I know it’s going over old ground but it was great for me to be able to get my son to be mascot on the day of his birthday. The experience if you boil it down to costs would be similar to if you were to pay for the things individually so taking that out of it what you get for free is bloody brilliant. I appreciate not everyone feels that way but the club whilst maybe not losing money aren’t making any either.


I am really pleased your family enjoyed it. It always has been a really good experience and its doubly so if the whole family are fans. Your point about the cost though only works if you aren't a season ticket holder. If a fan has saved all year to buy a season ticket for themselves and child, who is then a junior blue. Then it's another £40 to pay. They don't need tickets on the day. So they are getting a worse deal than a casual supporter.



What you say is correct Bumble but the same can be said against matchday discounts for casual fans against season ticket holders.
At least now every Carlisle United supporting child has a chance to become a mascot for the day not just junior blues and season ticket holders.
The idea is superb and reaching out to young blues who normally would have a cat in hells chance of getting involved in this.
Don't want to be controversial but I have my doubts wether the previous system was fair when you see how many of the clubs hangers on got their kids and family members kids in as mascots considering its was an impartial ballot or it was supposed to be.
This idea is a no Brainer and the club should be applauded for it.
As for the cost argument It it works out roughly at 79p a week for a year and about 7p a week for the average time a fan is a junior blue.

unaffordable ? Really ?
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10 Nov 2018 08:33 #178 by Bumble
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Alan wrote:

Bumble wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote:

Bumble wrote: I just find it hard to see why the club charges at all.

I fully agree any Junior Blue should get the chance, who wants to be mascot. I just don't see how the money comes in.

This season already we have 23 more mascots than last season. It seems that there are three or four mascots every game this season where last season there was two.

So I don't understand why they didn't just up the numbers to three or four without the charge. That would have surely cleared the backlog as there are still spaces for children going forward.

It seems a shame some kids won't get chance because of finances but that's the way of the world I suppose.


It's hard to see how the income from mascots isn't a factor. Like you say the numbers have increased , however they have to apply to be one,so we are probably being cynical bumble.


I know it’s going over old ground but it was great for me to be able to get my son to be mascot on the day of his birthday. The experience if you boil it down to costs would be similar to if you were to pay for the things individually so taking that out of it what you get for free is bloody brilliant. I appreciate not everyone feels that way but the club whilst maybe not losing money aren’t making any either.


I am really pleased your family enjoyed it. It always has been a really good experience and its doubly so if the whole family are fans. Your point about the cost though only works if you aren't a season ticket holder. If a fan has saved all year to buy a season ticket for themselves and child, who is then a junior blue. Then it's another £40 to pay. They don't need tickets on the day. So they are getting a worse deal than a casual supporter.



What you say is correct Bumble but the same can be said against matchday discounts for casual fans against season ticket holders.
At least now every Carlisle United supporting child has a chance to become a mascot for the day not just junior blues and season ticket holders.
The idea is superb and reaching out to young blues who normally would have a cat in hells chance of getting involved in this.
Don't want to be controversial but I have my doubts wether the previous system was fair when you see how many of the clubs hangers on got their kids and family members kids in as mascots considering its was an impartial ballot or it was supposed to be.
This idea is a no Brainer and the club should be applauded for it.
As for the cost argument It it works out roughly at 79p a week unaffordable?
Really?


When you are on a fixed income yes really. Do you put that spare £1 towards ourr kid being a mascot or do you put it towards the gas bill, or the electric bill. Bear in mind they've already saved up for the season ticket.

I don't know how the draw was done to be honest but when I used to photograph the mascots I regularly got tales of how excited they were when they got chosen and how they never thought it would happen t them.

Anyway, I've moaned long enough, it's not going to change I accept that, and, with the current take up, it looks like it could turn into a nice little earner for the club and still be a great day out for those who can afford it, so for most it's a win win.
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10 Nov 2018 08:44 #179 by bruntonpete
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The feeling I got from reading the minutes is the amount of disharmony across the board. The supporters club could be just line entity. The London branch a sub section of the main one. It should be independent of the club too.
The amount of money in the kitty is pathetic - and yet the fans can raise 10k to help when needed. That kind of money could be in a supporters pot.
No one holds the board accountable for the way they are and the way they behave. That's the trust's duty but they are powerless or simply don't have the will to confront or change anything.
The answer to the 5 year plan was pathetic. An excuse. Not good enough. Of course you can have a 5 year plan/ ambition. It may be revised and altered skiing the way but to have no goals or measured targets is ridiculous.
Well done to the people who are trying but everyone needs to get together as one group and then you will have a chance. All these splinter groups are as much of a hindrance to progress as those at the top table.
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10 Nov 2018 09:17 #180 by nobbyblue
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Looking from afar the only ones who actually do anything are the London branch as far as I can see and should be commended.
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10 Nov 2018 09:49 #181 by franksidebottom
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Totally agree Nobby. We seem to have all these fan groups, a ridiculous amount for such a small club, yet the only ones who seem to be pro-active and get anything done are the London Branch.

They produce an excellent fanzine which puts the matchday programme and the trust publications to shame. They raise a decent amount of money which again puts the trust’s efforts to shame and they appear to about it all with the minimum of fuss.

I met Simon Clarkson recently not really knowing who he was. He seems a decent bloke who is pro-active and gets things done, the club could do with more folk like him.

“Yeah, I know of Barry. Bit of a fantasist” - John Courtenay 2003
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10 Nov 2018 09:52 - 10 Nov 2018 09:54 #182 by seesaw50
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bruntonpete wrote: The feeling I got from reading the minutes is the amount of disharmony across the board. The supporters club could be just line entity. The London branch a sub section of the main one. It should be independent of the club too.
The amount of money in the kitty is pathetic - and yet the fans can raise 10k to help when needed. That kind of money could be in a supporters pot.
No one holds the board accountable for the way they are and the way they behave. That's the trust's duty but they are powerless or simply don't have the will to confront or change anything.
The answer to the 5 year plan was pathetic. An excuse. Not good enough. Of course you can have a 5 year plan/ ambition. It may be revised and altered skiing the way but to have no goals or measured targets is ridiculous.
Well done to the people who are trying but everyone needs to get together as one group and then you will have a chance. All these splinter groups are as much of a hindrance to progress as those at the top table.


The fact remains tho pete that in the absence of somebody coming in with the will and the money to plough in, we are where we are......still. If these Q&A sessions are designed to improve what we have on the day to day stuff fair enough....if in some people's mind, they are purely to have a pop and attempt to trip the club up, then we are wasting our time imo.
The "lights are still on" after all...attempts are being made to steady the ship and live within the club's means, whatever the personnel involved.
The gripes will go on no doubt, but just because we have this platform to moan, it won't force the change some want.
If the team wins folk are happy in the main

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is to have won the lottery of life !

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10 Nov 2018 09:54 #183 by carwash
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Bruntonpete you are an idealist. Your ideas sound wonderful in theory but the cynics like me know they won't work in real life. I don't think there is any appetite for Cumbrians to be part of a one-size fits all supporters club. The vast majority of fans are happy doing their own thing. Those who want to feel part of a specific group find that with this messageboard or with CUSAT or with the West Cumbrians. I think that is why CUSG could work and why I was strongly in favour of the messageboard joining. I accept CUSG will never be completely representative of our fan base but rather like an Italian political coalition it will bring together people with wide-ranging views and form a very good consensus which can represent most fans.

I think CCU and Mouldy have done an excellent job in representing this message board at CUSG with support from the other mods. As a fan I am much happier with this arrangement than if I was a member of a 5000 strong supporters club.
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10 Nov 2018 10:04 #184 by Mouldy
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Bruntonpete, I agree. The money in bank is ridiculously low in comparison to the aspirational ‘wish list’ that CUSG as a whole want to help out with. Funds have recently been spent for the sunset suite memorabilia drive. But until now; in the three meetings I have attended, there has been no suggestion of how we raise funds apart from when I said we need to think about social events and fundraising to fuel the aspirational spending.

I had also asked for this to be an agenda point next meeting.

all views my own
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10 Nov 2018 10:21 #185 by seesaw50
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On fundraising....i would rather go down the crowd funding route for specific identified projects, even tho that great 10k effort seemed to be wasted. It also gives people the flexibility to give what they can afford!

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10 Nov 2018 11:51 #186 by nobbyblue
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What is the Club’s 5 Year Plan?

Plan is for everyone to work together to make the Club viable, successful and sustainable and a club we can all be proud of. 5 year plans in football are quickly outdated due to the unpredictable nature of the game.


A bit vague!
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10 Nov 2018 12:46 #187 by DeckchairBlue
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Bumble wrote:
When you are on a fixed income yes really. Do you put that spare £1 towards ourr kid being a mascot or do you put it towards the gas bill, or the electric bill. Bear in mind they've already saved up for the season ticket.

I don't know how the draw was done to be honest but when I used to photograph the mascots I regularly got tales of how excited they were when they got chosen and how they never thought it would happen t them.

Anyway, I've moaned long enough, it's not going to change I accept that, and, with the current take up, it looks like it could turn into a nice little earner for the club and still be a great day out for those who can afford it, so for most it's a win win.


Although this will sound harsh, if somebody is on a fixed income and is struggling to pay their bills then surely spending £3-400 on a season ticket perhaps isn't the best use of their money. (Though nowadays it is rarely a case of having to save that sum because you can pay monthly).

The old system penalised those on low income because it meant that only those who could afford to buy a season ticket for themselves and their child were eligible, now even the casual supporter is able to have this experience too.
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10 Nov 2018 12:50 #188 by Dancingbear
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nobbyblue wrote: What is the Club’s 5 Year Plan?

Plan is for everyone to work together to make the Club viable, successful and sustainable and a club we can all be proud of. 5 year plans in football are quickly outdated due to the unpredictable nature of the game.


A bit vague!


I think it means there isn’t one

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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10 Nov 2018 15:06 - 10 Nov 2018 15:08 #189 by cufcmike
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howoldboy wrote:

cufcmike wrote: I think you should maybe take a few days off...


Maybe you should instead. If you can't read between the lines probably best to stop and think before posting.


I have no issue with the immense hypocrisy that is demanding somebody who is unable to attend meetings due to being unable to attend, when you yourself are unable to attend. I have no issues with folk disagreeing, as I have disagreed with many folk on this board. But there is ways to disagree, and callings folk Charlie Uniform November Tangos or Tossers, or whatever other insult springs to mind, isn't the way to go about it. Thats whether speaking to a moderator or non-moderator.

That's all I have to say on the matter.
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10 Nov 2018 22:18 #190 by bruntonpete
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carwash wrote: Bruntonpete you are an idealist. Your ideas sound wonderful in theory but the cynics like me know they won't work in real life. I don't think there is any appetite for Cumbrians to be part of a one-size fits all supporters club. The vast majority of fans are happy doing their own thing. Those who want to feel part of a specific group find that with this messageboard or with CUSAT or with the West Cumbrians. I think that is why CUSG could work and why I was strongly in favour of the messageboard joining. I accept CUSG will never be completely representative of our fan base but rather like an Italian political coalition it will bring together people with wide-ranging views and form a very good consensus which can represent most fans.

I think CCU and Mouldy have done an excellent job in representing this message board at CUSG with support from the other mods. As a fan I am much happier with this arrangement than if I was a member of a 5000 strong supporters club.


Idealist possibly. Cynical, very much so.
If you don't have an ideal - let's call it a plan - you don't stand a chance eh.
I don't doubt motives are genuine in all these groups but a united one would be so much more beneficial for the club. I don't think this rubbish about apathy and contentment is true. We just need a united front and a bit of momentum and passion to improve. We have as many passionate fans as any other club - we just have no unity.
I don't think the board have any evil plan. They just don't have a plan at all or a vision. If we, ass supporters, are as as equally ineffective, how can we hold them to account?
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10 Nov 2018 22:41 #191 by Bumble
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I really felt there was a window of opportunity in picking an SLO, who was capable of working with the club, but primarily was working for the fans. Some one who wouldn't disband the different groups but could get them all working together.

Sadly though it seems fans are not getting any choice in the matter and the mystery person is gong to be "debriefed on the role by the club". No mention of being debriefed by fans though. I truly hope this is a case of bad marketing because the poor person is certainly starting on the back foot after an introduction like that.
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10 Nov 2018 22:44 #192 by howoldboy
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cufcmike wrote:

howoldboy wrote:

cufcmike wrote: I think you should maybe take a few days off...


Maybe you should instead. If you can't read between the lines probably best to stop and think before posting.


I have no issue with the immense hypocrisy that is demanding somebody who is unable to attend meetings due to being unable to attend, when you yourself are unable to attend. I have no issues with folk disagreeing, as I have disagreed with many folk on this board. But there is ways to disagree, and callings folk Charlie Uniform November Tangos or Tossers, or whatever other insult springs to mind, isn't the way to go about it. Thats whether speaking to a moderator or non-moderator.

That's all I have to say on the matter.


That's a relief.

Moderators are best seen and not heard.
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12 Nov 2018 07:38 - 12 Nov 2018 07:49 #193 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Well that load of Bullshit answers is as good a reason as any to tell them where to stick their fu.cking group not one proper answer to any question of relevance and how the hell you two could sit there and let Clibbins spout his shite to one after another is beyond me and clearly shows why you shouldnt be giving them the questions in advance put the cu.nt on the spot for gods sake.

Starting with getting him to reveal the real reason he departed his previous position at Huddersfield Town

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "
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12 Nov 2018 08:02 #194 by Laffy
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Not enough Fortune cookies?
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12 Nov 2018 08:17 #195 by heilkmoon
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nobbyblue wrote: What is the Club’s 5 Year Plan?

Plan is for everyone to work together to make the Club viable, successful and sustainable and a club we can all be proud of. 5 year plans in football are quickly outdated due to the unpredictable nature of the game.


A bit vague!


Openly patronizing I'd call it!
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12 Nov 2018 09:14 #196 by Lakelandterrier
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What was the reason why he left Huddersfield?
Spill the beans, Barry!

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12 Nov 2018 09:30 #197 by Waltero
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I met a lot of the London Branch in the British Lion in crew and they seemed to be really well organised for the away trip. Considering they come from different areas ie Crawley,Bromley etc it all went smoothly.
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12 Nov 2018 09:40 #198 by orfc
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heilkmoon wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: What is the Club’s 5 Year Plan?

Plan is for everyone to work together to make the Club viable, successful and sustainable and a club we can all be proud of. 5 year plans in football are quickly outdated due to the unpredictable nature of the game.


A bit vague!


Openly patronizing I'd call it!


A plan would be setting out how they expect to achieve making the club viable, successful, sustainable, proud of etc. That's just a hope.
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13 Nov 2018 03:22 - 13 Nov 2018 03:52 #199 by munchymagic
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cufcmike wrote:

howoldboy wrote:

cufcmike wrote: I think you should maybe take a few days off...


Maybe you should instead. If you can't read between the lines probably best to stop and think before posting.


I have no issue with the immense hypocrisy that is demanding somebody who is unable to attend meetings due to being unable to attend, when you yourself are unable to attend. I have no issues with folk disagreeing, as I have disagreed with many folk on this board. But there is ways to disagree, and callings folk Charlie Uniform November Tangos or Tossers, or whatever other insult springs to mind, isn't the way to go about it. Thats whether speaking to a moderator or non-moderator.

That's all I have to say on the matter.


You can huff and puff all you like Mike, I asked you twice to explain what you meant about you labelling me disabled and twice you declined, with you deciding to turn into a snowflake and banning me for naughty words when I merely asked you to answer why you had said what you had said - your labelling folk is far worse than a few naughty words, I only asked you to answer yourself.

Are you seriously telling me that it is a first for someone to use bad language on this site, I am probably the first to get banned for it probably because I called you out because you seem to think that with you constantly saying that you cannot attend meetings then you think you are ace but in reality you are of no use at all really in a moderator capacity as there is another one that at least has the excuse of living abroad who as plausible excuses, me suggesting you take a days holiday to attend really got under your skin didn't it and made you draw weird comparisons with your tightness/laziness and my lack of physical ability through ill health which was in pretty poor taste, far worse than anything I said.

Again - explain yourself you coward, ban me again for just asking if you would like.
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13 Nov 2018 06:30 #200 by CCU
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This post will be moved into the newly created ‘CUSG Meetings Forum’ shortly.

We’ve moved any relevant Threads on CUSG into there for easy reference (A bit like how we do with the Match Threads).

The idea is we’ll start each Meeting Thread on here, then move it over once it’s been discussed to death.

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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