Wednesday, 24 November 2021
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Very disappointing result. Millen has got the ball down, playing 442, playing the players we wanted to see start and we still lost. We created chances, but just couldn’t put them in the net, Young past the post, point blank header at the keeper, Mampala brought down at the end, no penalty given. The only encouragement that can be taken is that if we play like that, we’ll win.

Howard Played pretty well, the scoreline didn’t reflect his performance.

Mellor Looked limited. His defending was reasonable but he couldn’t beat his man going forward so an endless stream of throw ins were won.

MacDonald Best player for me. Very solid but caught out for pace when Harrogate attacked on the counter.

Whelan Did what he was supposed to do, as always. Kept Armstrong quiet.

Dickinson Looked good going forward. Strong, played some decent balls into the box. But dear God, losing that tackle to that wee boy who scored, changed the whole game.

Gibson Another good game for him. Twisted and turned, got in a few shots on target. Looking good at the moment.

Devine Tried but was never able to impose himself. Didn’t get sent off and only his first real game so better than Mellish.

Guy Getting a lot of flack on here but some decent passing and made some space for himself. He needs to look better operating further forward.

Clough Needs to have a serious word with himself. A player of his pedigree should have shone last night. Offered very little for me. Left wing isn’t his position, but
Dickinson was covering the entire left side on his own for most of the night.
Young Energy, effort, passion, getting in good positions. It’ll come if he sticks at it.

Abrahams Jekyll and Hyde. When the opposition has the ball, excellent. He ran miles last night closing down, and did a very good job of it. When we have the ball shocking. We break and Tristram runs next to the defender taking any form of effort out the game for the opposition.

Mampala Just an odd player. Gets possession, beats the full back, lays off the ball, then stays in the corner ! Having said that, ball coming across, who is at the back post every time? Mampala. He seems to almost comically create good chances. About the only dice we haven’t rolled, worth a start with Young.

Fishburn Tries but doesn’t really look good enough for the level yet. Didn’t really trouble anyone.

Charters Came on too late to change the game and fulfilled that expectation.

Difficult to see where Millen goes now. I think he is back to playing Ian Atkins tactics, 4141, and going for the 0 0 draw. At least if he can stem the defeats confidence will build and we’ll get something between now and 1 January. He has been enquiring about players so we need recruits sooner rather than later.
Harrogate are the ultimate plaything team. They brought 84 fans which we get for the Papa Johns. Their owner puts in £1m a year and the manager is the owner’s son. Spitting out the sour grapes though they looked very good last night. Midfield broke very quickly on the counter, the defence was sharp as well. A large number recruited from non league. Impressed with them.

As for the fans, it was disappointing. But we talk about getting in players who are mentally tough. Time for the fans to be tough as well. Get mummy to kiss your scratch better, get up and go again. Its not great football, but the team needs us more than ever. Get down the ground, buy ifollow, support the team. And if we play like that the wins will come. The more money in the kitty, the better January will be.
6 days ago
A great post and well said.

Reading some of the Twitter traffic last night players were getting slagged off who weren't even playing last night!

Goals change games. Young and Clough should have put the game out of site!
6 days ago
Time for fans to be tough......


Ye thats right Marko...to hound the hanger onners outbof the club and not be chastised for protesting...stop pissing into the wind with your sucking up to the horsemen comments and smell the coffee....
6 days ago
Time for fans to be tough......


Ye thats right Marko...to hound the hanger onners outbof the club and not be chastised for protesting...stop pissing into the wind with your sucking up to the horsemen comments and smell the coffee....
:D :D :D
6 days ago
"Time for the fans to be tough as well. Get mummy to kiss your scratch better, get up and go again"

It is amazing how you manage to spin this situation on its head Marko and try to blame fans/make fans shoulder the blame for the failures of the football club. I agree fans should go to the game, but your agenda of blaming the fans is rubbish.

They've sucked the life out of Carlisle United.
6 days ago
Marko, cut the crap. Just over 3000 blues fans there, your constant whining about stay-away fans isn't working.

There is only one way of encouraging those supporters who have had enough of the consistent dross and that is a change of ownership.

Will the club allow me to bring a "sack the board" banner on Saturday?

That's the only reason I would attend.
6 days ago
"Time for the fans to be tough as well. Get mummy to kiss your scratch better, get up and go again"

It is amazing how you manage to spin this situation on its head Marko and try to blame fans/make fans shoulder the blame for the failures of the football club. I agree fans should go to the game, but your agenda of blaming the fans is rubbish.

They've sucked the life out of Carlisle United.


Where have I blamed the fans? Last night was disappointing and worrying. We got the players we wanted, we got the tactics we wanted, we got a decent performance; and we still lost. That's not the fans fault, we didn't buy those players, we're not in that changing room or on that training pitch.
We need the players to put that out that minds and do the same again on Saturday. But the fans need to be tough as well. Put their disappointment behind them, get behind the team and support the team.

Tiddles, the core difference between the two teams last night was the ownership. Harrogate have an owner who puts in £1m a year so that his son can play real life Championship Manager. A game it's worth saying he plays well. The owner there has already said that if his son leaves Harrogate, he'll withdraw his financial support. So Harrogate, like Rushden and Diamonds will come and go.
We don't have that luxury. If our board have to resign, there is no one to replace them who has both the money and the will to fund us to the tune of £500k a year. These daily threads, if some car salesman took us over, some amazing fresh new ideas, hybrid schemes which would release millions for team building, it's just talk. You need to get that in your head, we don't have replacements. However, traumatic learning that father Christmas didn't exist was for you, you eventually came to terms with it. Do the same with the ownership, because father Christmas isn't about to chuck any money at our club in the near future.
6 days ago
We're FORTY-THREE places lower than when they took over mArko
6 days ago
Markovitch

You have blamed and argued with fans all over the messageboard. Insulting their intelligence, questioning their support, calling out their disillusionment as living in some fantasy land where they don't live in the real world and being dismissive of almost everyone's opinion.

Yes you are correct, teams like Rushden and Diamonds will come and go. And so will Carlisle United. At the moment Carlisle United are going and soon to be gone. I wonder if you might admit you could have been wrong in the future when or if it's too late?

In response to the last part of your post, it just proves my point as stated above.

For someone who obviously believes they are a die hard fan, you have a very blinkered and dismissive view as to what can be achieved with this football club. If we carry on the way we are then we probably will end up with a car salesman buying the club off Rightmove and picking up the pieces.
6 days ago
It's all about money, the teams in L1 have owners who can afford to pump in more money than Jenkins has. The guy at Fleetwood puts in £2.5m a year to keep them there. Jenkins can't afford that and Day isn't willing to pay it. And there isn't anyone who has come forward who has both the will and the funds to do it.

When Jenkins chucked in £1.4m a year, Curle spent it, and we never went anywhere either. We still have a budget that is about 12/13th in this division. That's where we should be, all else being even. Not getting above that is not a question of ambition, its a question of pounds, sterling.
6 days ago
Markovitch

You have blamed and argued with fans all over the messageboard. Insulting their intelligence, questioning their support, calling out their disillusionment as living in some fantasy land where they don't live in the real world and being dismissive of almost everyone's opinion.

Yes you are correct, teams like Rushden and Diamonds will come and go. And so will Carlisle United. At the moment Carlisle United are going and soon to be gone. I wonder if you might admit you could have been wrong in the future when or if it's too late?

In response to the last part of your post, it just proves my point as stated above.

For someone who obviously believes they are a die hard fan, you have a very blinkered and dismissive view as to what can be achieved with this football club. If we carry on the way we are then we probably will end up with a car salesman buying the club off Rightmove and picking up the pieces.


Have I questioned the support of people who sit home, refuse to attend games, refuse to buy ifollow, buy a shirt and do their damndest to stop others doing those things? I haven't questioned their support, they are not supporters, they are a cancer that need to be cut from our club, stay home, you bring it down.

Yes you are correct, teams like Rushden and Diamonds will come and go Yes I am. They come and go because not enough people go through the gates to support them. The same apples to Carlisle. The club will fall to the point where it is in equilibrium with the level of support.

you have a very blinkered and dismissive view as to what can be achieved with this football club What can be achieved? You think if we get some bright spark with some new and exciting ideas in 10 years time, you will be sitting in the Astrodome watching us compete as equals with Man C? As soon as you answer no to that question, you accept that money is the limiting factor and there is a limit to where we can be.

Our current owner has enough money in the bank to fund us to being about 10th/13th in the 4th division. If you want higher than that, you need 1 of three things to happen. A new owner who will write bigger cheques, incoming transfer fees or the money to come from the fans.

If your plan is to sit on your sofa and pray for a Christmas miracle that is up to you. But there aren't many monuments to people who achieved greatness by doing nothing
5 days ago
Marko our current defacto owner has enough money to get us into the championship & keep us there but he seemingly has no intertest in what happens to the club.
He has saddled us with a totally useless DoF who claims to have brought in the players that the managers want but doesn't tell us whether they were first choice or tenth.
Jenkins as I have said before is a total failure as an owner. Nixon only wants to be there for his EFL perks & he will lose them at the end of the season when not if we drop into non league oblivion. Can you tell me what Pattison brings to the table apart from the odd pot of paint?
Yet you keep defending them.
Their collective mismanagement is only reason that we are where we are with fans voting with their feet.
All your insults in the world about stay at home sofa fans will not bring them back.
A well run successful team will. That has to come first regardless of what you want to happen.
Change has to happen but I fear it is now too late to stop the decline that started when Jenkins & pals were gifted the club when Fred threw his toys out of the pram after his spat with the equally useless Trust.
Its like trying to stop a fully loaded oil tanker in a matter of yards. Mission impossible.
5 days ago
Marko our current defacto owner has enough money to get us into the championship & keep us there but he seemingly has no intertest in what happens to the club.
He has saddled us with a totally useless DoF who claims to have brought in the players that the managers want but doesn't tell us whether they were first choice or tenth.
Jenkins as I have said before is a total failure as an owner. Nixon only wants to be there for his EFL perks & he will lose them at the end of the season when not if we drop into non league oblivion. Can you tell me what Pattison brings to the table apart from the odd pot of paint?
Yet you keep defending them.
Their collective mismanagement is only reason that we are where we are with fans voting with their feet.
All your insults in the world about stay at home sofa fans will not bring them back.
A well run successful team will. That has to come first regardless of what you want to happen.
Change has to happen but I fear it is now too late to stop the decline that started when Jenkins & pals were gifted the club when Fred threw his toys out of the pram after his spat with the equally useless Trust.
Its like trying to stop a fully loaded oil tanker in a matter of yards. Mission impossible.


1) Marko our current defacto owner has enough money to get us into the championship & keep us there but he seemingly has no intertest in what happens to the club. Totally agree, so what? All that means is that he isn't going to fund the club, and he wants his money back. Not good news, but something we need to work round, you cannot change that.

2) He has saddled us with a totally useless DoF who claims to have brought in the players that the managers want but doesn't tell us whether they were first choice or tenth. DH has brought in the players the manager wanted, his job. What difference does it make whether they were first or last choice? What matters is how they play.

3) Jenkins as I have said before is a total failure as an owner. Nixon only wants to be there for his EFL perks & he will lose them at the end of the season when not if we drop into non league oblivion. Can you tell me what Pattison brings to the table apart from the odd pot of paint? AJ ponied up millions for Curle, and Curle wasted it. I don't know what Pattison does. But if you won £100m and bought the club you would bring in people you trust to help you run the club. AJ has done that. That you do not know what they do does not mean they do it badly.

4) Their collective mismanagement is only reason that we are where we are with fans voting with their feet. No, they are voting with their feet because our manager was crap. And before you start with, but they hired him, they did. So should they hire a professional, or should Pattison run the team?

5) All your insults in the world about stay at home sofa fans will not bring them back. They are not going to come anyway. Ifollow costs £3 a game with a pass, and they won't shell out for that. When we were in the Championship we got 3000 a game, Tiddles and his wee pals aren't going to start coming.

6) A well run successful team will. That has to come first regardless of what you want to happen. It was your point 1, the de facto owner isn't going to give the club a single penny. So where does the money come from? You criticise him, but fans won't pay £3 to support the team they supposedly love so why should he pay £2m?

7) Change has to happen It will happen, AJ doesn't have a 30 year life expectancy. Why would you ever assume change will be good. Look at the country, we changed Government in 2010, empty shelves, fuel/gas prices through the roof.

8) Its like trying to stop a fully loaded oil tanker in a matter of yards. Mission impossible I don't know what that means, but we will soon be forced to have new owners.

We do not have a benefactor who has the money and the will to chuck £500k a year at CUFC. Therefore, we have to do this. And all the whining is not going to change that. If people want a football team, they need to support it, with their pockets, or it will die. And that will be the fault of the fans, no one else.
“What does it matter if they were first choice or tenth?”

I’ll have some of what Marko’s drinking.

Are you seriously suggesting that bringing in the manager’s tenth pick for striker is as good to said manager as bringing in his first choice?

Holdsworth is a cancer on this club, he’s here to ensure that we sign the dregs - and that policy has ripped the club apart over the past few years. That policy is what is putting us in immediate danger of losing our football league status. That policy has led to attendances collapsing. That policy ensures that we don’t maximise valuable match day income.

There is no credible defence for David Holdsworth still being employed. The policy he has implemented is the very reason for our on-field collapse, as well as for the dangerous fall in crowds.

There are other points in that last post from Marko that are equally as bizarre. I can only assume Marko had completely lost the plot at this point. I hope he’s ok.
5 days ago
The manager sets the criteria. If beech/Millen don't like the choices, they don't buy him. I'm not sure why that is so hard to envisage.

Holdsworth- Chris here is a player who is utterly crap, we have to sign him, in fact I've already signed him, you must play him. You honestly think that conversation takes place? Yeees, well maybe it does, cough. No, no I'm sure it happens. Very, er, logical.


There is no credible defence for David Holdsworth still being employed The people who pay his wages seem to have a credible defence, what with them signing his salary cheque every month. So man, smart enough to make $1bn and who knows exactly what DH does, thinks DH does a good job. Someone frothing on the internet who has no notion of what DH does thinks he is cancer. Is there even a slight hint in there why PD feels no moral obligation to cough up £2m for the fans? Juust a slight waft of a hint?
Yes Marko, PD was going to throw £2 million into the club until I called out the failings of the DoF who has overseen our demise.

What a cracking job DH is doing, cutting our wage budget. I’m sure those cuts aren’t being cancelled out by the fact we’re down to just 3000 home fans.
5 days ago
How many fans did we have against Barrow? We used to get 3000 when we were in the Championship.

When the crew who were pushed by Lumsden wanted to sniff around the club, where was the first place they went? News and Star? Clibbins? Jenkins? No, they came on here. Do you believe that if an individual was interested in buying the club he wouldn't, or his advisers wouldn't, look on here? You are probably right, you had no effect on Day. But crowd cancers coming on here doing their utmost to put off fans from attending can only ever do harm to the club. As for DH, certainly difficult to say he is signing good players, though I like Gibson. But Beech had the final say so, and he got his just desserts. Resigning Alessandra and Toure when you've watched them do f all for a season should be punishable by flogging.
5 days ago
But crowd cancers coming on here doing their utmost to put off fans from attending can only ever do harm to the club.


Do you really think other people are such vacillating sheep or two dimensional cardboard cut outs that they can’t make up their own minds whether to attend or not and are going to be swayed either way by what’s posted on here?

If you do then you’d be best piping down a bit as the prospect of ending up stood or sat within earshot of you isn’t going to be persuading anyone back down Warwick Road.
If potential owners want to do their research they’ll need to dig a bit further than a few posts on an Internet forum.

You want to draw comparisons with our last second tier season, when crowds were admittedly way down. Think we averaged around 4k. But let’s move it on a few years.

Late eighties and early nineties saw crowds dwindle to a hardcore of just 2.5k, and at times they dropped even further (remind me who was in charge of the club at this point, as it surely can’t have been the visionary that is AJ?). This was a period of utter decline, not dissimilar to what we see today. The club was on the brink of collapse. A takeover later, some energy injected, and some marketing (what is that, I hear our current owners scream) thrown in for good measure… all of a sudden we’re averaging 7k in the 4th tier.

Fast forward to the end of the Knighton years… folk turn against the owners, boycotts and protests happen, gates are way down… a takeover later, and there’s a bit of interest again. Intent is shown by the new owner, however misguided. Crowds go up, and hold steady even when we’re being relegated to the conference. Another takeover, another forward thinking owner, and crowds are on the rise once more. Our average climbs toward 8k. But then the owner gives the club back to somebody who had left us averaging 2k in his last disastrous spell at the top of the club, and here we are with crowds down to 3k and the club on the brink of collapse once again.

There has been well over a decade of stagnation, and there’s a certain inertia in our position. It’s no wonder that the people of the city and surrounding area have given up. But if you give them a reason to come, they will come - and from miles around. It’s not as simple as a 15 minute walk for most of us. It takes effort. I’ve got an hour and a half of travelling (each way) to factor in, and a day at the football will set me back no less than £35 - without so much as a pint thrown in. Add to that my Mrs works most Saturdays, meaning I have to find childcare - and justify the fact that I’m not spending time with my two young daughters on the only day of the week I have any real time to give them.

That’s not me trying to justify not going more often - I go when circumstances allow, and feel no obligation to push that any further given the time and cash I’ve spent following this club over the worst 35 year period in its history. I still get to plenty of games, but I’m questioning why I bother right now. Most folk I’ve gone with over the years have stopped going for varying reasons, and match days now are largely void of any reward - the only exceptions for me this year being the Colchester and Barrow games (both were absolutely shite goalless draws but the crack was good).

I understand the frustration felt when fans seem to abandon a club. But most of those who stop going have their reasons, and are not obligated in the slightest to continue throwing hard earned cash away, only to come away from the ground completely pissed off at another inept performance from a team which the footballing staff (directed by whom?) have cobbled together on a shoestring. Lashing out at those who aren’t coming (or are speaking out) will serve only to further their resolve to stay away, if it has any effect at all.
5 days ago
Howard - steady, couldn't be blamed for either goal - 6

Mellor - spent a lot of the game as a wing back, occasionally got into space but rarely delivered a telling final ball - 5

Whelan - ok, might be better suited as a holding midfielder playing in front of the back and - 6

McDonald - one of his better games as he was up against a proper No 9, no a lot of pace so needs a quick partner who can cover behind him when needed - 7

Dickinson - apart from the terrible missed tackle prior to their first goal he can do a temporary job at LB, put some good balls into areas experienced strikers would thrive off - 6

Gibson - another good game and our only player who looked like scoring, willing to shoot when a chance is presented, covers lot of ground usefully, rather than to just track mileage in his GPS - 7

Clough - poor once again, certainly not fit and doesn't deliver half as much as Gibson, set pieces are his only plus - 5

Devine - didn't do anything exceptional but kept everything ticking over, hopefully more games will bring him more into the game - 6

Guy - looked ok a couple of times but overall still very poor, at fault for the first goal due to a weak aimless header and no effort to his track back. Lost the ball for their second and again tracked back at half speed, then failed to put in a challenge. Another pointless booking, need a relieved of the armband, and some time on the bench - 4

Abrahams - runs around a lot when out of possession, but appears lost when we have the ball, needs to be braver. Doesn't look like a striker - 5

Young - puts a shift in, looks like a pain to defend against, but appears easily dominated by experienced defenders, probably more effective coming off the bench - 6

Manpala - looks more promising than Abrahams and looks like he might have goals in him - 6
Fishburn - again better than Abrahams his aerial ability might give us a different option if he gets a start - 6
Charters - didn't have a big impact but the game was gone when he got on, until Riley is fit I'd have him next to Devine - 5
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