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Just been having a good look around Twitter at retained lists and the like, when I noticed this.

His agent has tweeted this morning that he’s joining a L2 Club today, quoting a well known NE Football Journalist.

https://twitter.com/bdsportsuk/status/1128561475562291200?s=21

The player now follows CUFC on his Twitter.

Said journo has since tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/markcarruthers_/status/1128606040491220993?s=21
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If the lad keeps scoring at anything like his current rate he more than justifies his place, even if his all round game dos not improve (although it will). It is not his fault others are not taking or making chances. I didn't see the game today and if he gave a way a goal then obviously annoying but at the moment we owe him a lot more than he owes us.
As for a club coming in, Sunderland are an obvious one.
  1. 14-11-2020 20:30
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Maybe if we replaced Mellish with a player who could pass the ball with a bit of intelligence we'd look better both in midfield and upfront.

Yes we'd lose his 11 goals, but what if we gained five or six goals from each of our front players in return?


As I said he is only one of a midfield 3 or 4. It is a team team game and every other team in our league would take Mellish and his goals so far this season.
If he could pass the ball with intelligence and have a better touch he would be playing at a much better level than division 4.
As for our strikers, cows arses and banjos have already been mentioned more than once.
Hopefully once Koyode and Toure are back they will start to chip in, as they both appear capable - with strikers a lot of it is down to confidence and if they scuff one in during the next couple of games they could get on a roll.
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Our current bunch of so-called strikers do'nt seem to be capable of hitting a barn door standing in front of it..
There must surely be a free agent striker out there who would be a better bet than what we've got
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When was the last time Mellish played well?

November? He had a hot streak of form earlier in the season, but as they say, form is temporary, class is permanent.

He's clearly the weakest link in our midfield currently and has looked out of his depth (and out of position) in his last few games for us.

As I've said elsewhere, we looked a much better team with Charters on the left of our midfield three.
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Totally agree. Once again looked like he’d won a raffle to play for us. If he’s not scoring, which he doesn’t do anymore as teams have worked him out, he offers absolutely nowt.
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Mellish was schooled by Atangana today I’ll give you that. However he’s vital in this team winning second balls and making sure their 6 can’t control games. He’s actually become quite neat on the ball. There wasn’t much in terms of crosses from open play today so not much he can do.
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He had a much better second half even if that's not saying much. Drew a number of fouls from their team, especially in the last half hour and didn't give their midfield a second's rest.
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Fryer looks pretty good to me, Hunt looked pretty uncomfortable, lack of pace from Hunt and Rod a bit worrying but Hayden is pretty quick. Worried me how easy they managed to play balls through but early days as said. We matched them for 60 mins tbf. I’m going to make a bold prediction and say Jon Mellish will get into double figures for goals next season. (Not just based on his goal today)


A wise man once said.
  1. 07-04-2021 10:10
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JM didn't celebrate much last night... Probably reads all the crap posted on here - generally from those who can't kick a ball straight, or think they know more than Pep...
Chin up, lad... Double figures + for goals - excellent for the position he plays in and he's still learning the game.
Driven, gives a sh*t and gives far more to the first team than most.
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Well said. He was flying before Covid and has probably been affected more than we all realise.

Every successful team needs a John Mellish type player in it.

No co-incidence that results have improved as he has regained full fitness!
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I hope he enjoyed the goals more than he showed. It will have been hard for him more than most in the squad, he was flying before the covid/weather disruption. Hopefully now that he's getting back to full fitness along with the rest of the squad he can start enjoying his football and have a smile on his face when he scores against the lancastrians on Saturday.
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Last night Mellish became our highest scoring midfielder in 27 years and still 8 games left,imagine how many more he would have had if he was any good.
  1. 07-04-2021 12:31
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He's right not to go crazy celebrating those goals, seeing it's the first time his performance has been anywhere near professional standard in 2021.
  1. 07-04-2021 13:07
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Below is a post copied from what I assume is his mother's Twitter page during a conversation with a fan........
Looks like the lads been having a hard time of it. Maybe the reason he didn't celebrate.

We wouldn't even be anywhere near the play-offs without his goals this season. He deserves our support, not to be destroyed.

Twitter post -
"He never makes any excuses , he takes it on the chin but my god have I been worried about him , good job he’s got support around him , one day there’s going to be a lad who hasn’t got the family support and I wouldn’t like to think what might happen !"
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Below is a post copied from what I assume is his mother's Twitter page during a conversation with a fan........
Looks like the lads been having a hard time of it. Maybe the reason he didn't celebrate.

We wouldn't even be anywhere near the play-offs without his goals this season. He deserves our support, not to be destroyed.

Twitter post -
"He never makes any excuses , he takes it on the chin but my god have I been worried about him , good job he’s got support around him , one day there’s going to be a lad who hasn’t got the family support and I wouldn’t like to think what might happen !"


There’s some very cowardly people who post on here and on social media in general it goes beyond criticism and into bullying I hope this post off Johns mother hits home and one or two just have a quiet look in the mirror !!!!
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She also put this on a little further down the Twitter feed after someone says that the constant criticism could destroy him. I really hope the lad succeeds.......

Twitter post -
"I agree , but it is an all round game and he’s learning and he is giving everything for that shirt but unfortunately I feel that he was destroyed a while back"
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He's right not to go crazy celebrating those goals, seeing it's the first time his performance has been anywhere near professional standard in 2021.


Last night you made your first reasonable post for a very long time.... today you are back to your usual vindictive crap.
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I get really irritated by players that don’t give a damn about the club they work for, I don’t believe that Mellish has ever fallen into this category.
Good luck to the lad
  1. 07-04-2021 14:57
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Jon Mellish at 23 in only his second season of league football, in a position he has not played up until this season is our highest scoring midfielder in the last 27 years. Think about all the great attacking midfielders we’ve had in that time, but none of them have done it. What he lacks in technical ability which is improving which some fail to recognise he makes up in bravery and commitment to the cause. He’s out scored the majority of strikers we’ve had in recent years. Without Mellish we would be nowhere near the playoffs.
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Unfortunately I-follow viewing doesn’t allow viewers to see what some of the players do off the ball only what they do on it.

John Mellish works really hard off the ball allowing others more time on it and doesn’t get any credit. This team is so young yet nobody cuts them any slack.

Yes they were poor for 12 games but the boys had literally not trained for 2 months so were playing catch up trying to get up to speed with the other teams who were un-affected.

You go through the team player for player we are in such a great position with some terrific prospects coming through, John being one of them.

Some people need to give their head a wobble and start encouraging the lads instead of constantly draining their confidence. Do we honestly think the lads want to be playing League 2?
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"Without Mellish we would be nowhere near the playoffs."

I thoroughly disagree with this.

I'd prefer a more technically adept and positionally aware midfielder in the side.

Yes, you might get fewer goals from midfield, but you would likely make this up and more with better service provided to the forwards.

Walsall away is the case in point. For one of the few times this season we had a balanced midfield and no kamikaze antics. Both of our goals at the Bescot came from our strikers. I really do believe if a player like Charters had been given an extended run in the side our strikers would have been given better service and would've scored more goals.

It's likely we'd also have seen better performances from Guy and Riley with Charters alongside them.
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Last night Mellish became our highest scoring midfielder in 27 years and still 8 games left,imagine how many more he would have had if he was any good.


Who got 15 then?

I instantly guessed Steve Hayward and was wrong with both the year and goals :)
  1. 07-04-2021 21:27
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John Mellish has a better shots to goal conversion ratio than Harry Kane.

Not bad for a converted centre half in his first full season.
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"Without Mellish we would be nowhere near the playoffs."

I thoroughly disagree with this.

I'd prefer a more technically adept and positionally aware midfielder in the side.

Yes, you might get fewer goals from midfield, but you would likely make this up and more with better service provided to the forwards.

Walsall away is the case in point. For one of the few times this season we had a balanced midfield and no kamikaze antics. Both of our goals at the Bescot came from our strikers. I really do believe if a player like Charters had been given an extended run in the side our strikers would have been given better service and would've scored more goals.

It's likely we'd also have seen better performances from Guy and Riley with Charters alongside them.



Guy is top of the assist table in League 2 and Mellish is our highest scoring midfielder in nearly 3 decades, you gave them a combined total of 1 against Southend.

Something's wrong somewhere.
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The whole point of player ratings is you're giving marks for a single game, in isolation.

I'm not sure why that's so difficult a concept for the happy clappers to understand.

The marks for the season overall would be different, obviously.

Maybe that's why the toys come out of the pram every week, some of the simpler folk knocking around here aren't capable of viewing a match objectively without bias and prejudice clouding their judgement.
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It can be awkward to say the least watching Mellish in midfield at times but, goals apart, he does good things and no one can doubt his athleticism.
As for goals, well they change games. 15 is remarkable and comparable (in unusual scoring) CUFC terms only to Ian Harte’s fantastic year, but he took set pieces and think pens too...
He does need to work on his touch but mainly to do the simple things more. He can do these and does. Takes up great positions on left mainly. Can cross, pass, can tackle, got attitude...
Just needs to concentrate on.. nowt complicated.Win the ball. Give and and go, the easy pass etc rather than trying too much. Then into box...
No one can deny that the goals tally is remarkable, more so given his and the team’s terrible run.
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The whole point of player ratings is you're giving marks for a single game, in isolation.

I'm not sure why that's so difficult a concept for the happy clappers to understand.

The marks for the season overall would be different, obviously.

Maybe that's why the toys come out of the pram every week, some of the simpler folk knocking around here aren't capable of viewing a match objectively without bias and prejudice clouding their judgement.



Watching a match without bias, pots and kettles spring to mind.
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The whole point of player ratings is you're giving marks for a single game, in isolation.

I'm not sure why that's so difficult a concept for the happy clappers to understand.

The marks for the season overall would be different, obviously.

Maybe that's why the toys come out of the pram every week, some of the simpler folk knocking around here aren't capable of viewing a match objectively without bias and prejudice clouding their judgement.


I think what I, as a happy clapper, find so hard to understand is why someone who claims to be a Carlisle United fan would not be wearing blue coloured glasses!
I see quite a lot of matches each season, the way I watch and see those matches where I have no allegiance is totally different to how I watch MY team. If it wasn't Carlisle United wouldn't be my team.

Your player ratings seem to be designed simply to get a rise from those folk daft enough to read them. I really don't understand the joy wind up merchants get from posting nonsense.
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Its kind of all very well saying Charters should be starting and undoubtedly he's a talent for the future. However I've been lucky enough to watch a few youth games and as with all youngsters he has a tendency to blow hot and cold, there is definitely talent there, whether he has done enough for an extended run in the first team then I have my doubts at the moment.
Same goes for a lot of the youngsters, there is definitely some 'good-uns' amongst them, but as always consistency is the key. For a few games they seem to blow teams away but some, like Rochdale at home they simply weren't good enough all over the pitch. Just because he had one decent game in the first team doesn't necessarily mean he's going to become the next Steven Gerrard.
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The whole point of player ratings is you're giving marks for a single game, in isolation.

I'm not sure why that's so difficult a concept for the happy clappers to understand.

The marks for the season overall would be different, obviously.

Maybe that's why the toys come out of the pram every week, some of the simpler folk knocking around here aren't capable of viewing a match objectively without bias and prejudice clouding their judgement.


I think what I, as a happy clapper, find so hard to understand is why someone who claims to be a Carlisle United fan would not be wearing blue coloured glasses!
I see quite a lot of matches each season, the way I watch and see those matches where I have no allegiance is totally different to how I watch MY team. If it wasn't Carlisle United wouldn't be my team.

Your player ratings seem to be designed simply to get a rise from those folk daft enough to read them. I really don't understand the joy wind up merchants get from posting nonsense.


I agree with everything you say and unfortunately I am guilty of rising to the bait at times, however everything here is in the public domain and it is not too difficult to find

Piggy's many and varied contradictions, pointing these out tends to see him back off.

Either that or he becomes a petty and abusive at which point, in my view, he loses the argument.
  1. 08-04-2021 11:31
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Despite all the abuse and vitriol I receive, the happy clappers will not succeed in bullying me into not posting and my posts will always remain objective.

I understand the small minded few will always become a bit aggressive when anyone dares disagree with their opinion, it's always been the way on here.

I'm always going to be, and will continue to be, a champion for the truth even when the happy clappers, brown nosers and hangers-on who attend games on a freebie, find it difficult to swallow. Posting a bit of reality will upset these types, c'est la vie.

The way to improvement as a club is not to be entirely blue eyed all the time and live in denial believing everything is perfect. As true supporters we must demand improvement and be honest enough to call out when things are not good enough. And on topic, despite the happy clappers' attempt to derail this thread, Mellish's performances in midfield this season overall have been nowhere near good enough.
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Deluded
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yawn!!!
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These type of responses pretty much demonstrate I've just won the argument.

Thanks chaps.
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MELLISH IS GREAT!

COYB!
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Problem is you dont argue . You put your biased drivel forward and denigrate anyone who rises to the bait and disagrees with you..
I can't make my mind up whether you are a glorified wind up merchant or a totally deluded numbskull.
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I don't see any reference to Mellish in your post "Arragorn", funny that on a thread about Mellish.

Your puerile attempt to derail the thread has failed and I refer you to my previous post.
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To take the thread back to its title.

I've got to say I am really impressed with Mellish.

He isn't a cultured footballer but quite honestly that doesn't matter at all, particularly at our level. Far more important is that he's effective, he gets into the right places again and again and again and it pays off for him. 15 goals from midfield in a normal season proves his worth, even if you don't like his style, you can't argue against that worth.

The thing I like most about him is he drags every last drop of talent and energy he has out of himself every match. After the layoff, for a few games, the energy wasn't totally there. I remember one game in particular when he had a run on goal. It didn't come off and for a few seconds, he stood hands on knees panting, trying to drag breath up his body and into his lungs. I know that feeling I'm asthmatic, I've been there. Jon continued and ran and ran until the end of the match. He wasn't at his best but he was at the best he could possibly make himself be. Probably he needed a few games to get his match fitness back, on Tuesday the pace and power dials were reading full again and Scunthorpe just didn't have his levels of commitment.

Personally, I'm proud to see him in a Carlisle United shirt.
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These type of responses pretty much demonstrate I've just won the argument.

Thanks chaps.


If you think you've won then your more deluded than ever.
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So take Mellish out of the team this season, we would have been on 46 points, -1 goal difference and in 18th place. Talismanic!
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Take Mellish out the team and we would only have 10 men every week.

Someone else would be in his position to score the goals.
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The lad is a work in progress in midfield. He’s somebody the opposition hate to play against, aggressive, energetic, and hard working. He gets into good positions, committing opposition defenders as he does so. On the flip side, his touch could use some work, and yes he’s had a good few off games - but to be fair, most of them have been post-covid, which may explain them. His poorest performances have seen him being played as a ‘number 10’ - which is clearly not his position, and he can’t be blamed for being played out of position. On top of this, he’s in his first season as a midfielder, and as such isn’t the total package quite yet.

I’ve been critical of him at times (his performances were way off the boil during our barren spell, for whatever reason), but overall I feel he’s been an integral part of the team. One of the following scenarios seems to apply, and I can’t make up my mind which way round it is:

1) when JM plays well, the team plays well

or

2) when the team plays well, JM plays well.

His tally for the season is certainly impressive, and his work rate is undeniable. I’d love to see him finish the season with another goal blitz...
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Let's be clear here, football is not about the individual statistics of one player, it's about the collective statistics of eleven players.

For me, Mellish's goals constitute a net loss overall due to the negative impact he's had on team performance and the players around him.

Too many times, having Mellish in midfield is like playing with ten men. Replacing him with a genuine midfielder would have elevated the performance of players all over the pitch. Fellow midfielders and forwards would have had more support, defenders would have had more options when on the ball.

Mellish's personal tally of goals has come at what cost to the rest of the team? Would we have created and scored more than the fifteen goals without Mellish in the team?
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Let's be clear here, football is not about the individual statistics of one player, it's about the collective statistics of eleven players.

For me, Mellish's goals constitute a net loss overall due to the negative impact he's had on team performance and the players around him.

Too many times, having Mellish in midfield is like playing with ten men. Replacing him with a genuine midfielder would have elevated the performance of players all over the pitch. Fellow midfielders and forwards would have had more support, defenders would have had more options when on the ball.

Mellish's personal tally of goals has come at what cost to the rest of the team? Would we have created and scored more than the fifteen goals without Mellish in the team?


Factually if you take away Mellish’s goals this season we are in 18 no 9th. We can talk hypothetically all we want but what we’ve got is a midfielder with 15 goals like him or not. Let’s face it until Zanzala arrived our strikers have not been hitting the net and they’ve had a fair bit of service.
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That's not factual.

You've created a reality where we only put ten names on the team sheet every week.

Your logic would hold up if this was the case or if you picked someone who just sat down in the centre circle for ninety minutes.

What you have to consider, and what you're failing to consider, is what a competent footballer as a replacement would bring to the side.
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Didn't you get enough attention as a child?
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That's not factual.

You've created a reality where we only put ten names on the team sheet every week.

Your logic would hold up if this was the case or if you picked someone who just sat down in the centre circle for ninety minutes.

What you have to consider, and what you're failing to consider, is what a competent footballer as a replacement would bring to the side.

Who in the squad could play that role that your suggesting because for me they’re not there. Devine a neat footballer but not an out and out playmaker, Furman is a defensive midfielder, Charters has a big future but we can’t expect someone of his age to perform at the walsall level every-week, Alessandra could play as a 10 but that’s happened before and has a detrimental effect of Riley’s game whose our best player atm. If we were to sign someone then give me a name or and idea of the player your looking for!
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What you're looking for is not "an out and out playmaker", by my definition of what that means anyway.

Devine's been injured, so you're right there.

I'd absolutely have given Charters a run in the side, there's no way of knowing what performance levels he could've attained every week while he's sitting getting stiff on the bench. You could just as easily argue he could've built on the level of his performances against Walsall & Morecambe and continued to improve with a run of consistent starts.

Furman also, has not been given a fair opportunity this season, although I entirely agree his best role is a deeper role. The alternative (if you want to stick with a three in midfield) is to play Furman as your central holding player and push Guy forward into the Mellish role.

Then you always have the option of 4-4-2, and my preferred midfield four of Riley, Guy, Furman & Charters.
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What you're looking for is not "an out and out playmaker", by my definition of what that means anyway.

Devine's been injured, so you're right there.

I'd absolutely have given Charters a run in the side, there's no way of knowing what performance levels he could've attained every week while he's sitting getting stiff on the bench. You could just as easily argue he could've built on the level of his performances against Walsall & Morecambe and continued to improve with a run of consistent starts.

Furman also, has not been given a fair opportunity this season, although I entirely agree his best role is a deeper role. The alternative (if you want to stick with a three in midfield) is to play Furman as your central holding player and push Guy forward into the Mellish role.

Then you always have the option of 4-4-2, and my preferred midfield four of Riley, Guy, Furman & Charters.

I get the feeling from interviews that Charters really struggled with Covid which explains why he’s not featured that much. The team will be built around him in the future but he’s only 19. Guy has surprised me in the deep lying role this season and I wouldn’t move him from there. 4-4-2 in a diamond relies on very attacking full backs which we don’t have and then we lose our wingers which have been quite affective recently. Cambridge had Knoyle and Iredale when playing a diamond who are much more athletic than Tanner and Armer who are better on the ball.
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