Crikey, if ever there was an illustration that Piglet is just a wum it's right here. To argue that dropping Mellish might mean other players might score more cannot be anything other than a wind-up.

Could have, would have, should have, might have, as much of a fairytale as Peter Pan. the top and bottom of it Mellish HAS. It's that simple and my last word on it. Pointless discussing anything with someone who talks rubbish just to get an audience.

Jon Mellish will be off for big money in the summer. I’ve heard Juventus have been watching him and Rod McDonald.

No one minds him being a WUM or expressing his views - its the need to be gratuitously insulting that rankles. This is also my last comment on the man.

Still you persist with your bullying, Bumble, even in the face of a genuine discussion about football. I won't lower myself to your level, it's genuinely pathetic. You just can't accept anyone can have a different opinion to your own.

I respect Aberdeenblue, because at least he's prepared to discuss his opinion on Mellish without dropping himself to your level.

If you'd like to apologise and join the mature, reasoned, discussion - feel free.

I get the feeling from interviews that Charters really struggled with Covid which explains why he’s not featured that much. The team will be built around him in the future but he’s only 19. Guy has surprised me in the deep lying role this season and I wouldn’t move him from there. 4-4-2 in a diamond relies on very attacking full backs which we don’t have and then we lose our wingers which have been quite affective recently. Cambridge had Knoyle and Iredale when playing a diamond who are much more athletic than Tanner and Armer who are better on the ball.

I thought Bell was the one who struggled with Covid? And, for that matter, I thought the excuse for our shocking form was the whole squad struggled as "nobody had it worse" than we did?

My 4-4-2 wouldn't be a diamond, and I do think Armer and Tanner do have the attributes to overlap quite effectively.

I don't reckon Guy's been a disaster in his holding role this season either although I do believe we're not utilising him as effectively in that role as we could do and are not playing to his strengths. I'd probably prefer to see him play with more licence to get forward, and having Furman alongside him in a four, or pushing him forward with Furman holding in a three would allow him to impact the game in possession to a greater degree.

Still you persist with your bullying, Bumble, even in the face of a genuine discussion about football. I won't lower myself to your level, it's genuinely pathetic. You just can't accept anyone can have a different opinion to your own.

I respect Aberdeenblue, because at least he's prepared to discuss his opinion on Mellish without dropping himself to your level.

If you'd like to apologise and join the mature, reasoned, discussion - feel free.

I remember the first time we met, when John Courtenay asked me to sit in on a clear the air meeting between you and him, as a witness in case words were twisted later. I realised then that you were someone you could never have a mature reasoned discussion with. As I say I just don't get WUMS, so thanks but no thanks.

Bumble, you are absolutely correct about Piggy boy and I agree with your comments on JM. I came to the conclusion some weeks ago that Piggy was just on the wind up and choose to ignore any of his posts.
'Calling-in' occasionally as I do now, takes far less time than it used to because half the posts can be ignored. Every cloud etc.

"It's that simple and my last word"

But you just couldn't resist continuing your bullying, could you.

If you wish to lie about that meeting with JC, I can't stop you. But for the record - I arranged the meeting. I succeeded in getting JC to apologise and shake hands with the fan he abused at Yeovil (which was the whole point of asking for the meeting in the first place). JC was less receptive to me, at that time, and made great theatre of showing me the door. I was calm and civilised for the entire time, as I'm sure Fozzy and the other witness will confirm.

I really pity you for resorting to making up lies and bringing this up to try and somehow justify your shameful bullying.

I'm here to talk about our midfield and Mellish's performance for our club. If you'd like to stay on topic and have a sensible discussion then I'd welcome it. The rest of everything doesn't paint you in a favourable light.

Still you persist with your bullying, Bumble, even in the face of a genuine discussion about football. I won't lower myself to your level, it's genuinely pathetic. You just can't accept anyone can have a different opinion to your own.

I respect Aberdeenblue, because at least he's prepared to discuss his opinion on Mellish without dropping himself to your level.

If you'd like to apologise and join the mature, reasoned, discussion - feel free.

I remember the first time we met, when John Courtenay asked me to sit in on a clear the air meeting between you and him, as a witness in case words were twisted later. I realised then that you were someone you could never have a mature reasoned discussion with. As I say I just don't get WUMS, so thanks but no thanks.


By the sounds of your post Bumble your saying he's like this all the time......God help us all.

Kind of puts the 'wind up merchant' to bed, he's quite simply a complete tool.

I don't see any mention of Mellish in your post, Blueberry.

All I see is more abuse and attempted bullying.

Is this all the happy clappers have to offer?

Neither reasoned debate, nor mature discussion, truly pathetic.

I did piss myself laughing the other day though whilst listening to Steve Wright in the afternoon Factoids as he calls them...It is physically impossible for a “PIG” to look up to the Sky!! I am still laughing now.....

I don't see any mention of Mellish in your post, Blueberry.

All I see is more abuse and attempted bullying.

Is this all the happy clappers have to offer?

Neither reasoned debate, nor mature discussion, truly pathetic.

Don't need to, I've said in many previous posts that he's a vital cog in our team.

So if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute why are you even bothering to engage?

You're obviously just here to dish out abuse and join in the bullying.

I thought this forum was about discussing football and sharing varied opinion about our team and players. It seems others do not share this view.

The bullies will not win, despite their best efforts, this thread should and will remain about Mellish.

So if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute why are you even bothering to engage?

You're obviously just here to dish out abuse and join in the bullying.

I thought this forum was about discussing football and sharing varied opinion about our team and players. It seems others do not share this view.

The bullies will not win, despite their best efforts, this thread should and will remain about Mellish.

I’m not one to get into non football arguments but you do give as good as you get and you have made some particularly nasty comments towards members on this form. However your ploy to get bites is sadly succeeding. Mellish will be a cult hero at Carlisle United whether you like it or not, how I want to see us represented on the pitch clearly differs from yours. However football disagreements do not need to turn into a slanging match.

Did I say this thread?
Mellish has been 'discussed to death' on plenty of threads over the last few months, my opinion is: I'll say it again in case you can't read "he's a vital cog in our team" end of discussion, you wont agree (fair enough its a free country) but try not to involve me in your pathetic "I know I'm right and everybody else is quite simply a simpleton if they don't agree with me" discussions.

I petition for the name of this thread to be changed to reflect the fact that it’s becoming as much about PP as it is about our top scorer.

I only give as good as I get.

If you're civilised and polite in your discussion with me then that's what you'll get in return.

It's like a mirror for folk, they like getting riled up and coming on here to dish out insults. In my case, I'm not just going to sit back and take it all the time. Eventually, I'll respond in kind and the bullies never like that - but you have to stand up to them.

We clearly disagree about Mellish AB, but that's fine. I respect the fact you didn't resort to the bullying until your final post. It's a shame you couldn't have retained your dignity, but hey ho.

I only give as good as I get.

If you're civilised and polite in your discussion with me then that's what you'll get in return.

It's like a mirror for folk, they like getting riled up and coming on here to dish out insults. In my case, I'm not just going to sit back and take it all the time. Eventually, I'll respond in kind and the bullies never like that - but you have to stand up to them.

We clearly disagree about Mellish AB, but that's fine. I respect the fact you didn't resort to the bullying until your final post. It's a shame you couldn't have retained your dignity, but hey ho.

Your as much as a bully towards others as others are to you so don’t try playing the victim card. If you are feeling bullied either highlight it to the mods or leave if someone disagreeing with your opinion upsets you. And no you do result to petty insults when having a football discussion, you are not polite and respect goes two ways.

Really sorry if you genuinely feel bullied by me Piglet. I have reread what I've written today and don't see it but if it has come over that way it wasn't meant to. I've just had a dreadful day and came here for a bit of distraction, obviously I wasn't in the right mindset, sorry.

I think people get too hung up on having to put a label on Jon Mellish. He’s got to be either a world beater or absolutely useless there doesn’t seem any happy medium. A bit of a marmite player.

I don’t think he’s ever going to be a top player and he has his limitations but you can’t say he isn’t pretty effective at league two level. He’ll have good and bad games like most players but he certainly does a job and we’ve had a lot lot worse play regularly.

I’d have him over the likes of James Berrett and Paul Thirlwell any day and how many games did they play.

I'm with you with Berrett, Nobbles, but have to disagree about Thirlwell.

Thirlwell was excellent in the role he played for us, almost all at tier three level also.

Really sorry if you genuinely feel bullied by me Piglet. I have reread what I've written today and don't see it but if it has come over that way it wasn't meant to. I've just had a dreadful day and came here for a bit of distraction, obviously I wasn't in the right mindset, sorry.

Bumble you don't need to appoglogies to him what he said several weeks ago is far worse and he's still yet to appoglogies, he is even yet to admit what he stated was wrong and disgusting .

I think that Mellish will be a bit annoyed he didn't get an assist on Tuesday as well played some decent balls.

And.... we're back to Happyblue wanting to return to the bullying. Conveniently forgetting about his own comments on "whiteness" and subsequent failed attempts to cover up his blatant racism.

None of which has anything to do with the Metro Centre Messi.

Really sorry if you genuinely feel bullied by me Piglet. I have reread what I've written today and don't see it but if it has come over that way it wasn't meant to. I've just had a dreadful day and came here for a bit of distraction, obviously I wasn't in the right mindset, sorry.

Well your a stronger person than many on here Bumble, I simply wouldn't have given the time of day to apologise to him.
Also very interesting that he hasn't acknowledged your above post, its now over an hour since you posted it, (and he has posted other things since, so he must have seen it), the least he could have done was say 'Ok we can maybe agree to disagree, and thanks for your comments' but he didn't, kind of tells you everything about him.

And.... we're back to Happyblue wanting to return to the bullying. Conveniently forgetting about his own comments on "whiteness" and subsequent failed attempts to cover up his blatant racism.

None of which has anything to do with the Metro Centre Messi.

Mine was clearly a typo ,yours was vindictive and disgusting .

Apologies Bumble, I missed your post.

Credit to you for apologising, but it's not necessary. Football's a passionate business, and I can appreciate things get a bit heated.

You're not usually on my case like some of the others and I hope you keep expressing your views in your usual style.

Apologies Bumble, I missed your post.

Credit to you for apologising, but it's not necessary. Football's a passionate business, and I can appreciate things get a bit heated.

You're not usually on my case like some of the others and I hope you keep expressing your views in your usual style.

You missed her post my arse!!!

What a spiteful little chap your are, Blueberry. You would be well advised to stop assuming everyone else sees the world with your eyes.

Do you know what empathy is?

Whatever, I'm not sure why you're even posting on this thread if you have nothing to say about Mellish.

What a spiteful little chap your are, Blueberry. You would be well advised to stop assuming everyone else sees the world with your eyes.

Do you know what empathy is?

Whatever, I'm not sure why you're even posting on this thread if you have nothing to say about Mellish.

I'm well aware what empathy is 'Captain', you should maybe look it up yourself sometime.
And obviously its not sinking in is it, I've now explained my opinion at least twice?
"Mellish is a vital cog in our team" (there you go I've said it again, just in case it hasn't sunk in, I rather think this is the 3rd time I've tried to explain) what is it you don't understand about that?

Firstly the idea that you can put a quantifiable value on one player's worth over a season is laughable. Nobody has any idea what would have happened without Mellish.

I still can't make my mind up about him. A lot of the time he really doesn't look like a footballer but you cannot argue with 13* goals from a midfielder. As has been said we've had many strikers who would be pleased with that. Comparisons with Ian Harte are ridiculous though. Hart's great season with us was just one in a glittering career that included a World Cup and a Champions league semi. It's quite possible that this will prove to be Mellish's moment in the sun and when he's playing for Workington in 5 years time he'll be boring his mates in the pub with "did I tell you about that time I got the record goals in a season for a Carlisle midfielder?!"

Still even if his only real quality is popping up in the box and he doesn't lose that knack he'll have a decent lower league career.

*It's 13 goals. 2 were in that abomination of a competition. Counting them is more ridiculous than Pele counting goals he scored in charity games.

The technical side of his game can be worked on , don't think anyone would say he's a talented technical player, far from it .

He's got one thing which can't be coached , he's knows where the ball will land , he's shown this not just when scoring goals but when defending .

I actually probably think you could call mellish a lower league raumdeuter .he's not a defender or midfielder or striker he's somthing different .

https://youtu.be/sZsJo7ZKdjQ

*It's 13 goals. 2 were in that abomination of a competition. Counting them is more ridiculous than Pele counting goals he scored in charity games.

I disagree.

We have to count goals in the CCU Trophy as they're classed as first team games.

Whether you have an ethical objection to the competition is irrelevant.

The EFL won’t admit it but the Papa Johns isn’t a recognised first team competition. The Premier League sides wouldn’t agree that a sending off could be possibly carried into a competitive game (however unlikely that is given the teams they put out) resulting in the separate disciplinary system.

Any inclusion of reserve teams makes it impossible to be regarded as a proper competition anyway in my eyes.

I'm with you with Berrett, Nobbles, but have to disagree about Thirlwell.

Thirlwell was excellent in the role he played for us, almost all at tier three level also.

You’ve went too far now with your crazy talk. If pointing and passing the ball sideways makes you a good player then Thirls was one of the best. His ‘unseen work’ in the middle of the park was unseen because it never happened.

He played half decent for a season and then stole a living playing about 1 in 2 the rest of the time if he was lucky.

He made James Berrett look the Iniesta!

We got relegated when he was captain and he never said a word. No rallying call to the fans or players. Nothing.

Give me Jon Mellish any day of the week.

I’m not really sure comparing Thirlwell and Mellish is realistic. The closest playing style to Mellish was Jason Kennedy of recent, both goalscoring midfielders. JK had a fair bit more finesse to his play, who can forget his overhead kick away at Morecambe. Mellish has the physical attributes to be very good at this level, passing and a first touch is something which can be improved over time and I think in recent games it has shown improvement. He just needs to keep it simple. As for Thirlwell, the best analogy for him is picking up a plain ham sandwich, ready salted crisps and a bottle of water in a meal deal. Yes a necessary choice if you don’t like Mayo but you always feel it’s lacking something and that’s what our midfield was at the time. It was fine having Thrilwell but you had to have athletes around him which we did not, Berrett was a decent player a few years before but he lacked pace and let’s face it the options to pass to we’re dreadful, Noble was fine, tenacious but not one to grab the game by the scruff of its neck. As for captaincy, should’ve been O’Hanlon for me, a proper warrior.

Who vandalised Berrets wiki page? James Pecker. Terrible player, awful attitude. Now at Grantham

Simon davey was my favourite

I didn't like thirlwell he passed it sideways to much I feel Mellish will improve .one of my favourite carlisle midfielders was chris billy he was solid no nonsense

This'll be controversial but...here goes!

As midfielders who are under rated, hated, slagged off but were ever presents just about, in a successful team....I give you Penrith's finest, Richard Prokas. Did what he was asked to do, an almost ever present in one of my favourite blues teams. Wadsworth clearly rated him, yet many have nothing good to say about him?

I agree Bruntonpasty.
I always thought that his presence in the team was as important as his performance. Talisman who galvanized players and fans.