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22 May 2019 12:54 #251 by lummy8
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Swindon players of the last few years must have been on decent money, as their contract offers and bids for players are looking very impressive.

They did get some players on good money off their books at the end of this season so that will obviously free up a bit.

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22 May 2019 13:04 #252 by Markovitch
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I thought Swindon would be a good bet for automatic promotion last season. When they didn't get up the Chairman said he would cut the budget, he wouldn't finance another season the way he has been. Whether they have much more to spend than us I have no idea but I don't think we are competing with a team that is out of our league. Would be good to see the lad here, he played well last year, and he seems to have a good attitude. Lets see.

www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/176206...et-work-next-season/

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22 May 2019 13:32 #253 by Mush
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lummy8 wrote:

Happyblue wrote: Would imaging the offer is something like ,30-50k with a decent sell on percentage


Nowhere near unfortunately


Amateurs..

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22 May 2019 17:10 - 22 May 2019 17:11 #254 by crunchblue
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Hahaha so what 10k? 20k? :lol:

No chance if that’s true. They could probably loan him out for a season to somewhere he’ll play regularly, lose him as an out of contract next summer and get more in compensation than our “substantial” offer.
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22 May 2019 17:13 #255 by munchymagic
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I would love it if Rotherham were so affronted by our bid and came out and said that those cheeky [censored] at Carlisle United have offered 10k for Yates and they were being serious.

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22 May 2019 17:17 #256 by Mullen103
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munchymagic wrote: I would love it if Rotherham were so affronted by our bid and came out and said that those cheeky [censored] at Carlisle United have offered 10k for Yates and they were being serious.


I would love it if for once our club were honest about its financial situation instead of doing daft offers and codswallop for good PR to make everything seem ok.

Maybe then people will start to support the club

At least we’re not Stockport

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22 May 2019 18:56 #257 by CCU
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Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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22 May 2019 19:10 #258 by crunchblue
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That was from last weeks press conference. Radio Cumbria drip feeding bits of it over a week.

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22 May 2019 19:12 #259 by Flatcap
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You normally don't get loan players until late on in the summer transfer window.
Parent clubs like to see how they perform in pre season games and training before making a decision on whether to loan them out or not.

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23 May 2019 06:21 #260 by Markovitch
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Hibs, Swindon and Oldham after Devitt according to the net today. I would have thought we could compete with the 2 English clubs

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23 May 2019 06:37 #261 by Waltero
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We probably could compete with them but we definitely won't

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23 May 2019 10:06 - 23 May 2019 10:07 #262 by lummy8
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Markovitch wrote: Hibs, Swindon and Oldham after Devitt according to the net today. I would have thought we could compete with the 2 English clubs


This is what I was getting at yesterday Marko, we SHOULD be able to, but either we can not anymore or just wont.

Richie Wellens didn't bother to go in for him earlier as he thought Carlisle would offer a certain length and wage amount, which Swindon could beat, but the difference between the amounts he did not think Devitt would move down there for the sake of couple hundred quid. Now the contract offer is out there in the "football world" from Carlisle, the wages at Swindon in comparison are excellent, and the contract length more.
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23 May 2019 10:34 #263 by carwash
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Fair play to Pressley, he has accepted a low salary and reduced budget but is happy to be here. It's not unreasonable for him to expect his players to accept the same terms - short contracts and modest wages. He wants players who want to prove themselves as he himself will be doing this season. It all ties in with his emphasis on wanting players who want to be at Carlisle. The financial benefits to the Club if this can work will be transformational.

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23 May 2019 10:38 #264 by newcarlislefan
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Surely with the bigger earners - Liddle, Jones, Bennett, Kennedy etc - off the books the club can reduce its debt AND build a decent squad?
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
This current approach just becomes ideology and dogma after a while.
An approach of 1 year contracts across the board is just stupid.
The club can show ambition as well as being responsible with its debt.
Allowing Devitt to leave and not getting Yates is just plain stupid and so short sighted.
If you just cut, cut and cut you end up with nothing.
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23 May 2019 10:38 #265 by crunchblue
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lummy8 wrote:
This is what I was getting at yesterday Marko, we SHOULD be able to, but either we can not anymore or just wont.


The more I'm hearing from David Holdsworth and about him the more I'm suspecting that he's living in a fantasy world where he has these delusions that players such as Devitt e.g. late 20s, proven at this level, with young family are going to just accept these short term contract offers.

Budgets/cuts may well restrict what we can pay them, but it has no bearing on how much faith we can show in a player by offering him a bit of security.

If Devitt is happy here, maybe if we showed bit of faith in him and offered him say a 2 year deal with an option, he'd maybe accept that we can't match certain clubs wages but appreciate the commitment and security we're showing to him. A 1 year offer for him is an utter piss take.

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23 May 2019 10:39 #266 by Mullen103
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As Lakeland says we have a millionaire owner and a billionaire financer. If they aren't willing to invest then walk away or put the club up for sale officially.

You're not going to get established/good players for this level offering 1 year deals, even with options, because other clubs will offer more security. Yes you may not want to move to the other end of the country, but if you've got security of a 2/3 year contract/income it'll make you think.

At least we’re not Stockport
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23 May 2019 11:09 #267 by United63
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Lummy have you officially been told the budget for this coming season but unable to tell us interesting to see acc Stanley's budget is 1.2 million holdsworth says he wants 19 to 21 player's so we could pay them 1k a week for a budget of 1.1 million can you say either way its more or less than say 1.1 million

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23 May 2019 12:03 - 23 May 2019 12:07 #268 by CCU
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Why would the Club tell a non-employee what their Budget is?

The only people who need to know - I’ll add that this isn’t a pop at Lummy either! - are either in our boardroom or running the Club.

We can however, make rough estimates from news of contract offers and the levels they’re at...

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23 May 2019 13:11 - 23 May 2019 13:15 #269 by lummy8
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No I do not know, will know in time and could find out but as CCU says, you can see where abouts it will be with contract offers and signings.

To be fair to the club, they have always stated there would be a reduction again, so we all knew these offers/cuts were coming, it just gets on my nerves that this keeps happening and the club just sleep walks along.

Once this pre season is sorted and contracts are sorted, most of the lads are on a contract beneficial to Carlisle United, so what happens next, does PD step up? DH work is done? NC work is done?

And to be fair to DH, he got 2 keepers pre season last season on great deals for CUFC financially, I think the grumbles from Adam at the end of this season was that due to his form he thought he deserved more money this season, which is fair, BUT was under contract with the option, so I am not sure how they worked that one out between them but it has been done, maybe negotiated a rise i'm sure.
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23 May 2019 13:16 #270 by The Archer
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United63 wrote: Lummy have you officially been told the budget for this coming season but unable to tell us interesting to see acc Stanley's budget is 1.2 million holdsworth says he wants 19 to 21 player's so we could pay them 1k a week for a budget of 1.1 million can you say either way its more or less than say 1.1 million


It’s not as simple as this, unfortunately. The additional ‘on’ costs of employment will account for 20/30%, including tax and insurance contributions. And, presumably, payments to agents, bonuses, and coaching staff wages come out of this pot too. £1k a week will be for the better paid if our budget is 1.1million

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23 May 2019 13:25 #271 by ParcelPete
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A few on here will Be on more than £1k a week.

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23 May 2019 16:15 #272 by crunchblue
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Saw something on twitter earlier that Swindon have now made a bid for Yates that betters ours (wouldn't be difficult).

Probably not much point in us getting into a bidding war with another football club.

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23 May 2019 16:21 #273 by Urban Designer
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Every other club will know we only offer 1 year deals.

Would we really pay a cash price for Yates - is he still under contract? - and then only offer a 1 year deal which wilkl mean we sell him for peanuts in January or watch him walk away next summer?

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23 May 2019 17:26 #274 by Mullen103
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Urban Designer wrote: Every other club will know we only offer 1 year deals.

Would we really pay a cash price for Yates - is he still under contract? - and then only offer a 1 year deal which wilkl mean we sell him for peanuts in January or watch him walk away next summer?


THE OFFER IS JUST A PR STUNT!

At least we’re not Stockport
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24 May 2019 17:49 #275 by Wukkie
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newcarlislefan wrote: Surely with the bigger earners - Liddle, Jones, Bennett, Kennedy etc - off the books the club can reduce its debt AND build a decent squad?
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
This current approach just becomes ideology and dogma after a while.
An approach of 1 year contracts across the board is just stupid.
The club can show ambition as well as being responsible with its debt.
Allowing Devitt to leave and not getting Yates is just plain stupid and so short sighted.
If you just cut, cut and cut you end up with nothing.


Welcome back to reality NCF. You've finally seen the CUFC way. You've finally figured out the grand plan from the boardroom, now imagine the last ten years of it!
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24 May 2019 21:38 - 24 May 2019 21:39 #276 by PaddockRanger
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Wukkie wrote:

newcarlislefan wrote: Surely with the bigger earners - Liddle, Jones, Bennett, Kennedy etc - off the books the club can reduce its debt AND build a decent squad?
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
This current approach just becomes ideology and dogma after a while.
An approach of 1 year contracts across the board is just stupid.
The club can show ambition as well as being responsible with its debt.
Allowing Devitt to leave and not getting Yates is just plain stupid and so short sighted.
If you just cut, cut and cut you end up with nothing.


Welcome back to reality NCF. You've finally seen the CUFC way. You've finally figured out the grand plan from the boardroom, now imagine the last ten years of it!


Don't forget to include the pre Knighton years. After my first season in 89-90 the football just got worse and i got very bored, rather than enthusiastic, quickly and I was drifting until Knightin stepped in.
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24 May 2019 22:49 #277 by Mush
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thetashkentterror wrote:

crunchblue wrote:

Mush wrote: Another summer of scraping about for free transfers and loan players ahead.


Like 95% of all other League 1 and 2 clubs will be.



95.8333..% per division.


Clever shit :-)

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24 May 2019 22:53 - 25 May 2019 08:10 #278 by Mush
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CCU wrote: At present:

Collin, Gray, Elliott, Iredale, Mellish, Etuhu, Hope, McCarron.


The club can enter them into a 6 a side league in the town.
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25 May 2019 08:47 #279 by pacirv
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Having to rebuild the squad every season is not the way to have a successful team, the club need to recognise players who are possible saleable assets and make sure they give them contracts that will make sure any club wanting them will have to pay a decent fee for them. The club are cutting off their nose to spite their face at the moment.
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25 May 2019 16:24 - 25 May 2019 16:26 #280 by Kaiser Blue
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Devitt linked with another League Two club and former side Hull City:
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25 May 2019 16:43 #281 by crunchblue
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If we lose Devitt to Grimsby [censored] Town then David Holdsworth should never show his face at the club again.
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25 May 2019 16:50 #282 by Taffy-P
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ParcelPete wrote: A few on here will Be on more than £1k a week.

I think your probably about right I know a striker at a club that has come down into our league was on £6k per week but had a clause in his contract that his money would half if relegated so we could’t compete with that

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25 May 2019 16:52 #283 by Waltero
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It won't bother him in the slightest. In his egotistical world he can do no wrong. We supporters are just an inconvenience to him

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25 May 2019 23:14 #284 by Zebby
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Taffy-P wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: A few on here will Be on more than £1k a week.

I think your probably about right I know a striker at a club that has come down into our league was on £6k per week but had a clause in his contract that his money would half if relegated so we could’t compete with that


Shows how [censored] up football is when a Fourth division striker can command 12 grand a month ...no wonder clubs are going to the wall especially having been on double that and not been good enough to keep them up..

Be just and fear not
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25 May 2019 23:21 #285 by carwash
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Zebby wrote:

Taffy-P wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: A few on here will Be on more than £1k a week.

I think your probably about right I know a striker at a club that has come down into our league was on £6k per week but had a clause in his contract that his money would half if relegated so we could’t compete with that


Shows how [censored] up football is when a Fourth division striker can command 12 grand a month ...no wonder clubs are going to the wall especially having been on double that and not been good enough to keep them up..


12 grand a month is a bargain if said striker can score 30 goals a season. 5 grand a goal compares with about £1 million or more a goal in the Premier League. There are probably only going to be about 5 strikers who could command £150k a year in League 2 and I don't expect we'll have one.

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26 May 2019 00:40 #286 by Zebby
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I'm struggling to think of more than a couple of 30 goal a season strikers in div 2 in the last decade....

Be just and fear not
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26 May 2019 02:39 #287 by bluebry
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carwash wrote:

Zebby wrote:

Taffy-P wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: A few on here will Be on more than £1k a week.

I think your probably about right I know a striker at a club that has come down into our league was on £6k per week but had a clause in his contract that his money would half if relegated so we could’t compete with that


Shows how [censored] up football is when a Fourth division striker can command 12 grand a month ...no wonder clubs are going to the wall especially having been on double that and not been good enough to keep them up..


12 grand a month is a bargain if said striker can score 30 goals a season. 5 grand a goal compares with about £1 million or more a goal in the Premier League. There are probably only going to be about 5 strikers who could command £150k a year in League 2 and I don't expect we'll have one.


12 grand a month is a bloody nightmare if said striker doesn't hit 30 a season. One sure fire way of sending a club to the wall, I really do despair with some people's quotes on here.
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26 May 2019 09:24 #288 by carwash
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Zebby, yes you're right. I should have said 20 goals a season for £7,500 a goal. Everything in football is a gamble but having a top striker like John Marquis when Doncaster were in League 2 and paying him top wages is one of the best ways of getting value for money, relatively speaking.
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26 May 2019 11:57 #289 by CCU
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Would you rather have one 20 goal a Season Striker, or a front three who all scored 10-12?

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26 May 2019 12:08 #290 by Mullen103
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I’d take one that can score one flipping goal at the minute.

At least we’re not Stockport
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26 May 2019 13:30 #291 by Mush
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Mullen103 wrote: I’d take one that can score one flipping goal at the minute.


What is a striker I've forgotten?! :-)

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27 May 2019 10:54 - 27 May 2019 10:54 #292 by CCU
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27 May 2019 11:12 #293 by CCU
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And announced at Exeter 7mins later!


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27 May 2019 11:12 #294 by nobbyblue
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It's a shame. He's a player I really liked. Where's he going now - Grimsby? :-D

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27 May 2019 11:15 #295 by nobbyblue
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Must have been derisory offer from us for him to move away doon there!

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27 May 2019 11:19 - 27 May 2019 11:19 #296 by crunchblue
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First of many I guess.

I fully expect all of our out of contract players to turn down new contracts, which whether or not they’ll be missed, says a lot about our club and David Holdsworth’s ability to do the job he’s here to do.
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27 May 2019 11:21 #297 by Dancingbear
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crunchblue wrote: First of many I guess.

I fully expect all of our out of contract players to turn down new contracts, which whether or not they’ll be missed, says a lot about our club and David Holdsworth’s ability to do the job he’s here to do.


Depends what his remit is. He’s maybe got a gold star from EWM for not offering Parkes a more favourable deal.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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27 May 2019 11:21 #298 by tommycoleman1
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He did play for Bristol rovers for 4 years,started at Leicester ....add Yeovil & Orient too.
So no suprise he has ended up at Exeter

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27 May 2019 11:23 - 27 May 2019 11:25 #299 by nobbyblue
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Aye he certainly gets about.

Mike Jones moving on as well I've heard.
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27 May 2019 11:25 #300 by Markovitch
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Good solid 4th division defender, good attitude. I wouldn't have him in my team if I was going for promotion. I would have though with Exeter's budget they could afford better.
Best of luck Tom
Michael Doyle from Queens is out of contract I believe. Not as strong as Tom but a lot faster

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