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27 May 2019 11:29 - 27 May 2019 11:31 #301 by crunchblue
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Dancingbear wrote:
Depends what his remit is. He’s maybe got a gold star from EWM for not offering Parkes a more favourable deal.


Pressley will decide which players he wants to release and offer new deals to, then surely it’s Holdsworth’s remit to get the players Pressley wants to keep signed up. If he doesn't get any of them to sign new deals then ultimately he’s failing at his job. Time will tell, but as I say I fully expect them all to leave.

For me the club need to start being proactive in these types of situations. If a manager knows who he wants to keep then it’s maybe time to start planning ahead instead of always waiting till the final month of contracts before offering extensions. Especially when you hear stories from Chris Lumsdon about Devitt being willing to sign a new deal in January but hearing nothing back from the club until May. No wonder players feel more valued by other clubs.
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27 May 2019 11:37 #302 by thetashkentterror
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Just Devitt, Jones and Scougall to wait on for answers now then.

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27 May 2019 11:53 #303 by cousinscotty
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thetashkentterror wrote: Just Devitt, Jones and Scougall to wait on for answers now then.


I think we'll all be gobsmacked if any of them re-sign. In fairness, we were a pretty awful team last season and only rarely did we show any spark especially once the three loanees went back. Consequently, we shouldn't be too downhearted if the whole lot of last season's squad leave.

It's only May so plenty of time to go.

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27 May 2019 12:14 #304 by oscarsnowball99
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Can’t be blamed on Holdsworth. He has a budget given to him and if he can’t persuade players to stay over higher budgets from other clubs then it’s not his fault. He has also signed 3 other defenders since the end of the season so I would argue he’s doing his job.


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27 May 2019 12:23 #305 by Markovitch
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Does anyone know how the process at CU works? My total guess would be
- Pressley decides- say- we give the ball away too much in central midfield, so we need another central midfielder.
- He gives say 5 names to Holdsworth
- Holdsworth contacts the agents, gets scouting videos etc
- From the list Holdsworth and Pressley draw up some more targeted list of the desirable ones based on talent, availability, cost.
- Holdsworth then begins the process of getting them signed.

Anyone got any corrections of that?

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27 May 2019 12:28 #306 by CCU
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Markovitch wrote: Does anyone know how the process at CU works? My total guess would be
- Pressley decides- say- we give the ball away too much in central midfield, so we need another central midfielder.
- He gives say 5 names to Holdsworth
- Holdsworth contacts the agents, gets scouting videos etc
- From the list Holdsworth and Pressley draw up some more targeted list of the desirable ones based on talent, availability, cost.
- Holdsworth then begins the process of getting them signed.

Anyone got any corrections of that?


Likely be less than 5 names, and the scouting will happen long before DH speaks to any Agents?

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27 May 2019 12:35 #307 by Markovitch
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How does the scouting software work? Presumably if they are serious about signing say Iredale they'll still watch half a dozen full matches he played in? Are all of Morton's games, full 90- minutes in there?

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27 May 2019 12:59 #308 by lummy8
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SP and DH can only work with the budget they are given, which doesn’t look great.

Hopefully these younger players hungry to succeed hit the ground running and SP philosophy he has referred to makes a difference.

All the best to him I say.
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27 May 2019 13:48 #309 by seesaw50
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thetashkentterror wrote: Just Devitt, Jones and Scougall to wait on for answers now then.


If they have a written offer don't they have 28 days to accept or refuse it.....getting close surely, but dont know the exact date they were offered.

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27 May 2019 14:05 #310 by United63
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Have you heard lummy if we are close to any signings with your knowledge at whats happening at brunton park

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27 May 2019 14:21 #311 by CCU
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seesaw50 wrote:

thetashkentterror wrote: Just Devitt, Jones and Scougall to wait on for answers now then.


If they have a written offer don't they have 28 days to accept or refuse it.....getting close surely, but dont know the exact date they were offered.


3 weeks ago today they were offered...

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27 May 2019 15:09 #312 by carlisleunited
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Hull have now shown interest in Devitt.

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27 May 2019 15:22 #313 by Waltero
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Holdsworth's a jobs worth, a yes man, a wage thief ad infintum. His track record speaks volumes of non achievment. Using the budget as an excuse to me stinks. The players he is releasing will unfortunately come back and haunt us
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27 May 2019 15:28 - 27 May 2019 15:42 #314 by crunchblue
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But why is our budget so shit? We don’t get anywhere near the lowest attendances in the league and i don’t see other revenue streams that every club has that we don’t. Surely we can turnover as much if not more than plenty of clubs at this level.

Is it actually peanuts or are players leaving because people at the club are living in fantasy land, are shite at negotiating, taking the piss with terms and are reactive rather than proactive when it comes to planning for the future?

Is the old “everyone else has a bigger budget than us” thing just a convenient line that makes it look acceptable that we can’t keep hold of any players.
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27 May 2019 15:38 #315 by nobbyblue
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I don't think our budget last season was that low compared to others.

Lincoln and Notts C were reportedly the top two and I'm guessing Macc, Morecambe and Yeovil were the bottom three. The Port Vale owner worked out they were 8th as all clubs get a list of budgets although it doesn't identify the clubs.

It would be interesting if Clibbens and Co could say were they were in the league as regards budgets.

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27 May 2019 15:48 #316 by Dazwacky
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It baffles me how our budget is so poor, I tried to find out how we rated in turnover to the rest of the league but came across an article which I have copied and pasted and can't see why for love or money EWM or Jenkins exploit a legal loop hole all above board or am I missing something???

Pete Hackleton, tax partner at Saffery Champness, explains: "What can be quite popular is if you have a profitable company which is already paying tax in the UK or anywhere else on its profits and you were to buy a football club which is making losses, then the profitable company can sponsor the football club.

"You could be the main shirt sponsor, stand sponsor or whatever else. Let's say the profitable company pays £1m a year for that privilege. The profitable company has an extra £1m for expenditure, so effectively it saves tax on that £1m, and the football club has an extra £1m of income, which, because it has other losses, probably doesn't have to pay tax.

"But the other way for the owners is quite often if they've got a profitable company, they will acquire the football club underneath that company. Then what you can do is, when the football club makes a loss, you can surrender those losses to the profitable company.

"If that company is making £5m a year of profit, it would have £1m of tax to pay in the UK. But if the company is making a £5m profit and a football club underneath it making a £5m loss, you can just offset the two. Overall there's no profit and no tax to pay."
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27 May 2019 15:51 #317 by Happyblue
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crunchblue wrote: But why is our budget so shit? We don’t get anywhere near the lowest attendances in the league and i don’t see other revenue streams that every club has that we don’t. Surely we can turnover as much if not more than plenty of clubs at this level.

Is it actually peanuts or are players leaving because people at the club are living in fantasy land, are shite at negotiating, taking the piss with terms and are reactive rather than proactive when it comes to planning for the future?

Is the old “everyone else has a bigger budget than us” thing just a convenient line that makes it look acceptable that we can’t keep hold of any players.

As a significant number of our league rivals don't rely as much on attendance for revenue , it's amazing how much we user utilise commercial revenue compared to our rivals. Also another key aspect the % of revenue rule is flawed as donation (note not loans ) count towards the revenue of other clubs ,

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27 May 2019 16:11 #318 by Waltero
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At the end of the day the club has no ambition to improve our status, they're quite happy taking advantage of people like me and thousands of others, taking our money and offering nothing in return. I'm starting to believe in my wife saying to me "Why do you keep going back" At the moment I can't give her an answer
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27 May 2019 17:04 #319 by Piglet_Phoenix
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How much hysterical bed-wetting is there on this thread?

I'd expect nothing less from Panface, but the rest of you need to have a word with yourselves.

I'm not disappointed to see any of our current professionals leave the club (including Devitt), none of them are worth breaking the bank for - and let's face it - Curle was paying most of them a lot more than they proved to be worth.

Why should these journeymen types be rewarded with lucrative pay increases and chunky contracts when they've been responsible for failure and mediocrity?

If they can get some other idiots to pay them more coin, good luck to them - they can go and enjoy more of the same elsewhere. I don't believe any player departing the club this summer will either be irreplaceable or badly missed.

The proof of the pudding will be the state of the squad when the players arrive back for pre-season training, followed by the state of the team when we start our league campaign.

We should all reserve judgement until our transfer activity is complete.
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27 May 2019 17:15 #320 by CCU
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CCU wrote:

aberdeenblue28 wrote: Kevin Holt (Left Back) is a player I think we might be interested in. Signed by Elvis at Pafos in Greece. Played for queen of the south and was born in Dumfries. My mate who's a Queens fan says he's a fantastic left back with a bit of pace and height. Out of contract at the end of the season.


He was mentioned on here when Pressley took over, wouldn’t be the biggest surprise if he did arrive...


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27 May 2019 18:04 #321 by Waltero
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It's not bed wetting Piglet it's reality. Other clubs seem to want our or even your castoffs. So who's right

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27 May 2019 18:07 #322 by Mullen103
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Agree piglet, the players aren’t good enough.

Problem is we tend to replace with even worse.

At least we’re not Stockport
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27 May 2019 18:31 #323 by Markovitch
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Holt looks like he would have bought some balance to the squad

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27 May 2019 18:38 #324 by Dazwacky
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Piglet = Clown, the club should be retaining there best players the problem is the 1 year contracts, is it failure where we finished? so does that mean every side that failed to get promotion are full of journeymen??? We will never get anywhere unless we retain and reward our best players FACT !! and build on that !
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27 May 2019 19:09 #325 by nobbyblue
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Markovitch wrote: Holt looks like he would have bought some balance to the squad


We've already got a left back. We're not made of money.

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27 May 2019 21:07 #326 by Frankie
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I think all the defenders from last couple of years are now gone. They had their share of criticism in that time of which some of it at times, was justified. Calls to get rid of each of them at sometime (Clint excluded) has been mentioned however can’t help but think that we will miss them this season. We are currently replacing 6 experienced defenders with 2 or 3 young lads who are not used to playing at this level. Worrying times unless we sign a Hill or Gerard type leader at the back

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27 May 2019 22:08 #327 by seesaw50
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27 May 2019 23:27 - 27 May 2019 23:40 #328 by bluebry
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Don't normally agree with piglet but he's right, there is an enormous amount of bed wetting on here. None of these players are irreplaceable apart from devitt on his day, and let's face it some of those days were pretty far apart. Let's just see what Elvis brings in first, before we write the season off before its even begun.
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28 May 2019 09:03 #329 by Southernblue
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bluebry wrote: Don't normally agree with piglet but he's right, there is an enormous amount of bed wetting on here. None of these players are irreplaceable apart from devitt on his day, and let's face it some of those days were pretty far apart. Let's just see what Elvis brings in first, before we write the season off before its even begun.


Never mind begun, the last one for our level only ended on Saturday.

We've got a summer of rebuilding to do but unlike previous years we have already signed 3 players, I don't remember Curle, Kavanagh or Abbott starting their recruitment that early over the years.

Players come and go, its a fact of modern football, agree we need to see what Elvis can do and judge him come August not the end of May
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28 May 2019 09:36 #330 by ParcelPete
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August is too soon,many on here have already decided SP is a crap manager,i will reserve judgement till Christmas at least.
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28 May 2019 11:42 #331 by lummy8
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I think hand on heart you wouldn't break the bank to keep any of our players who are out of contract, Devitt is the one you would probably try the hardest with, but finishing where we did no one really can demand a huge raise in wages or whatever.

The thing that worries me is, Devitt, although in demand and offered better deals elsewhere, was very open to stay here, on the same wages (he was not a big earner), all he wanted was that bit of security so he could move his family up here, which SP would love players to do.

I am not too sure why a 2 yr deal could not be offered, I think with the young lads signed up, he is someone they could look up to.

I know SP would want him on a 2yr deal, and I am sure 2 yr deals will be offered to certain players/targets. Just find it a funny one really.
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28 May 2019 11:48 - 28 May 2019 11:49 #332 by CCU
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Didn’t Devitt move up when he signed, then move down to Manchester area was it last Summer?

Agree that not offering him 2yrs is downright weird though!

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28 May 2019 12:12 #333 by lummy8
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His lease ran out so they moved back to Manchester and were wanting to buy up here when told an offer would be coming in Jan.

Its not really all about Devitt, I would find it just as weird if another player, on affordable wages, good age, had a good season, in demand but likes it here, was only offered a year, usually when you are offered a new deal by a club there is always a raise in wages somehow. It isn't going to take much to get that deal over the line but we have made it hard. So is PD or our board giving the orders to DH, or does DH want it to be like this, I know he was not happy with some contracts that players were on, but JD was not one of them.
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28 May 2019 13:10 - 28 May 2019 13:11 #334 by crunchblue
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Of course it’s weird not offering Devitt a 2 year deal. But I think Holdsworth is weird full stop. He isn’t living in the real world if he thinks a player like Devitt (seasoned and proven at this level and at our club) would even consider a 1 year deal. It’s an insult to him.
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28 May 2019 13:16 #335 by MerseysideBlue
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It's the fact that we are rewarding our best player who has had his best ever season with a one-year deal. Other clubs must be pissing themselves laughing.

I honestly think Devitt staying would encourage other players to come and probably a fair few to renew season tickets too

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28 May 2019 13:33 #336 by lummy8
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Usually the season Devitt has had gets you a wage rise (again, not a big earner) and a 2 yr deal at least.
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28 May 2019 13:53 #337 by Mush
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Usually and Carlisle United don't go together!
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28 May 2019 13:57 #338 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Nobody on here knows what our budget will be next season. Whatever it is, you're hardly likely to enter into the market for players saying "we're going to spend, spend, spend", agents etc would take you to the cleaners.

Also, nobody on here really knows the terms Devitt was on during his previous contract and nobody knows the terms he has been offered to stay.

It's all conjecture, guesswork and mischief aimed at spreading negativity.

At the end of the day, we could offer a ten year contract to Devitt and I doubt he'd sign it. He more or less made his intention clear moving away from the city and he can probably command a much higher wage elsewhere by touting his season highlights video around. Good luck to him however, he gave us good value last year - but he's not worth breaking the bank for.
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28 May 2019 14:15 #339 by lummy8
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He would 100% sign a ten year contract.
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28 May 2019 16:46 #340 by Piglet_Phoenix
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And I'm sure you'd give him one, Panface.
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28 May 2019 18:59 #341 by seesaw50
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Nobody on here knows what our budget will be next season. Whatever it is, you're hardly likely to enter into the market for players saying "we're going to spend, spend, spend", agents etc would take you to the cleaners.

Also, nobody on here really knows the terms Devitt was on during his previous contract and nobody knows the terms he has been offered to stay.

It's all conjecture, guesswork and mischief aimed at spreading negativity.

At the end of the day, we could offer a ten year contract to Devitt and I doubt he'd sign it. He more or less made his intention clear moving away from the city and he can probably command a much higher wage elsewhere by touting his season highlights video around. Good luck to him however, he gave us good value last year - but he's not worth breaking the bank for.



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28 May 2019 19:05 #342 by seesaw50
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So why not offer Devitt 18 months with options and meet halfway...cant see why one exception is gonna wreck "the plan" ...hes obviously the best player we have left, only 28 , likes it here and would move back up,
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28 May 2019 19:47 #343 by CCU
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Why would you offer a deal that ran out halfway through a Season?!

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28 May 2019 19:56 #344 by seesaw50
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Coz it would coincide with the January window...I said with options

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28 May 2019 19:59 #345 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Prior to this season what was Devitt's record with us?

49 appearances (16/17 & 18/19) - 2 goals.

It's true he had an exceptional season with us last term, but he's never produced consistently throughout his career, let alone with our club.

You have to ask, did he deliver last season merely because his contract was coming to end? Did this give him the motivation to pull his thumb out? Much like Mike Jones in the closing months of the season...

Sometimes you give these players big juicy contracts and they take their foot entirely off the gas. What happens if we spunk all our budget on keeping Devitt at the club and 16/17 Devitt rocks back up to pre-season training rather than 18/19 Devitt?

I'd suggest a one year contract with a mutual option to extend is an entirely sensible way to start negotiations. "You help us win promotion to Division Three, we'll give you a nice bonus and a pay rise" etc.
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28 May 2019 20:07 - 28 May 2019 20:12 #346 by crunchblue
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He got 10 goals for us in 17/18 before getting 12 goals this season.

I don’t have his assist numbers but I reckon they’ll be high as well. I seem to recall him being top assister in league 2 in his morecambe days.

To say he hasn’t produced consistently is wrong.
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28 May 2019 20:12 #347 by Happyblue
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Prior to this season what was Devitt's record with us?

49 appearances (16/17 & 18/19) - 2 goals.

It's true he had an exceptional season with us last term, but he's never produced consistently throughout his career, let alone with our club.

You have to ask, did he deliver last season merely because his contract was coming to end? Did this give him the motivation to pull his thumb out? Much like Mike Jones in the closing months of the season...

Sometimes you give these players big juicy contracts and they take their foot entirely off the gas. What happens if we spunk all our budget on keeping Devitt at the club and 16/17 Devitt rocks back up to pre-season training rather than 18/19 Devitt?

I'd suggest a one year contract with a mutual option to extend is an entirely sensible way to start negotiations. "You help us win promotion to Division Three, we'll give you a nice bonus and a pay rise" etc.

You missed off 17/18- 10 goals in 49-

So his been consistently good over a two year period, our player of the year 2 years in a row.

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28 May 2019 20:13 #348 by Happyblue
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crunchblue wrote: He got 10 goals for us in 17/18 before getting 12 goals this season.

I don’t have his assist numbers but I reckon they’ll be high as well. I seem to recall him being top assisted in league 2 in his morecambe days.

To say he hasn’t produced consistently is wrong.

It's piglet most of the stuff his says is wrong.

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28 May 2019 20:36 #349 by seesaw50
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crunchblue wrote: He got 10 goals for us in 17/18 before getting 12 goals this season.

I don’t have his assist numbers but I reckon they’ll be high as well. I seem to recall him being top assister in league 2 in his morecambe days.

To say he hasn’t produced consistently is wrong.


Yeah up there with others collecting plaudits in the division and collecting awards himself and scoring quality goals

Stupidly getting the red card at Crewe changed our season imo, he was out for 3 games when we were still producing after the December /January run.

Technically in his prime at 28 maybe he'd just "clicked" PP

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28 May 2019 21:35 #350 by jakeyblain
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Pretty sure he had the mosts assists in League Two in 2016/17 season when he was at Morecambe.

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