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28 May 2019 21:44 #351 by Zebby
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jakeyblain wrote: Pretty sure he had the mosts assists in League Two in 2016/17 season when he was at Morecambe.


Was it not Adams first and Devitt third highest assists that year?

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28 May 2019 22:33 #352 by Happyblue
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Zebby wrote:

jakeyblain wrote: Pretty sure he had the mosts assists in League Two in 2016/17 season when he was at Morecambe.


Was it not Adams first and Devitt third highest assists that year?

Other way round

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29 May 2019 08:22 #353 by lummy8
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I will say it one more time, Devitt does NOT want the money that will bankrupt the club, he will accept what he is on now which is very affordable to the club, if they can't match the wages he is on now, then christ we are in trouble!

I agree that we should not break the bank for anyone who has been at the club last year, but we would not be, and as stated, his stats back him up. He would quite rightly argue, I am happy to stay on the same money (offered far more elsewhere), can you meet me halfway and add a year.

SP keen for this to happen.

Probably too late now as I would think Devitt has been up or down to the clubs that are interested now and they would have shown their ambition going forward and made him feel a major part of their plans, while he has not signed though, maybe we have a chance.

I am looking forward to seeing the new lads, young, hungry, a step up for them, they may struggle at times but I think we will all get behind them. Need a couple of experienced players in, not talking 30/31 but maybe 26/27 who have played a few games at this level or above.
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29 May 2019 09:49 #354 by newcarlislefan
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The Devitt situation defies belief.
The club's best player, despite being offered better deals elsewhere, wants to stay.
How often does that happen in the modern day game?
The club's one size fits all approach of offering 1 year contracts to everyone feels like something from a Communist state.
Honestly, what on earth is such a ridiculously inflexible, narrow minded approach all about?
What if Norwood or Doidge or Tyler Walker or Jay O'Shea wanted to come to the club?
Would we offer 1 year deals to them?
It's clearly sensible to have reduced the wage bill by releasing the high earners and getting rid of the bonus structure.
It's sensible to offer more affordable wages.
This will reduce the debt and make the club more sustainable going forward.
But to insist on a limit of 1 year deals to all players is just plain daft.
What happens if we get Yates back on a 1 year deal and he scores 20 goals next year?
Instead of a saleable asset he can leave on a free.
To have a one size fits all approach makes no sense at all. Offer deals the club can afford but limiting contract length imposes a completely unneccessary straightjacket when one isn't needed.
I can't imagine for a minute any other club in the league has such a blanket policy regarding contract length. A wage and bonus structure, absolutely, but contract length? Come on.
There must be enugh football know how at the club to realise they've made a mistake on this part of the process.
Is it really worth losing the club's best player because of such inflexibility?
Come on NC and DH, let's have a rethink on this one.
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29 May 2019 10:00 - 29 May 2019 10:01 #355 by musher441
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It's took a while NCF but you're finally learning about what it's like following this club with this sh1t shower in charge.

Give it another 6 months and you'll be just as incredulous, frustrated, angry and disillusioned as the rest of us.
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29 May 2019 10:10 - 29 May 2019 10:12 #356 by newcarlislefan
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The thing is I'm not at all clued on really on how the club has been run in the past or indeed is being run currently to be honest.
But, the Devitt situation is just madness. I just cannot understand why we would risk losing our best player because of an arbitrarily set limit on contract length.
The youth team lads are on 2 year deals, I think, so why not the club's best player. Madness.
It just doesn't make any sense at all to me. I can see the need for the club to get on top of the 20k a week loss and to relook at it's wages policy.
But with the 1 year deals it's imposing a completely unneccessary and potentially harmful restriction on squad development.
How many players will pass us up because of the limit on contract length?
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29 May 2019 10:16 #357 by Waltero
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They'll be sitting in the boardroom with their fingers in their ears going "la la la" In their eyes we.the fans, don't count. We know nothing about football we're just a cash cow,turning up week after week travelling thousands of miles to support the team. . Bunch of charlatans
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29 May 2019 10:24 - 29 May 2019 10:26 #358 by seesaw50
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CCU will be along in a moment to tidy up your duplicate postings ncf ha ha.......but yes you are right as I think I posted similar

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29 May 2019 10:40 #359 by carwash
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I think a lot of the board's hostility to longer term contracts comes from the serious injuries to Jason Kennedy and Nicky Adams. Jenkins got a huge shock from having to pay Kennedy's high wages and rehab/physio bills for over a year with no return. Holdsworth would be pushing at an open door if he wanted to pursue a policy of maximum 1 year contracts. However this doesn't reflect players' actual injury records. Devitt doesn't put himself in the same situations to get injured like Nicky Adams did from clumsy defenders. I understand the need for a firm policy on contracts but a bit of flexibility around the edges can't do much harm.

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29 May 2019 10:53 - 29 May 2019 10:54 #360 by Zebby
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I see Darlo fans have raise 80 grand for the manager to spend.

Wouldn't it be nice if our trust could raise those sort of funds for the manager or even for the fans benefit


www.thenationalleague.org.uk/armstrong-i...ra-cash-to-goo-57102

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29 May 2019 11:06 #361 by MerseysideBlue
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I'd heard a suggestion recently that the reason for these one year deals is that they don't want anyone on a deal longer than the manager.

Surely that is the whole point in having the bloke from the Milk Tray advert as Director of Football - it gives continuity beyond the life spell of the manager.

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29 May 2019 11:06 #362 by Mullen103
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Zebby wrote: I see Darlo fans have raise 80 grand for the manager to spend.

Wouldn't it be nice if our trust could raise those sort of funds for the manager or even for the fans benefit


www.thenationalleague.org.uk/armstrong-i...ra-cash-to-goo-57102


They've raised 6k in 3 years and purchased a TV, what more do you want ;)

At least we’re not Stockport
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29 May 2019 11:10 #363 by newcarlislefan
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carwash wrote: I think a lot of the board's hostility to longer term contracts comes from the serious injuries to Jason Kennedy and Nicky Adams. Jenkins got a huge shock from having to pay Kennedy's high wages and rehab/physio bills for over a year with no return. Holdsworth would be pushing at an open door if he wanted to pursue a policy of maximum 1 year contracts. However this doesn't reflect players' actual injury records. Devitt doesn't put himself in the same situations to get injured like Nicky Adams did from clumsy defenders. I understand the need for a firm policy on contracts but a bit of flexibility around the edges can't do much harm.


Yes, lots of good points there carwash and can understand the club's frustration with losing players long term to injury.
But getting injured is part of the game and it can happen to any player at any club - not just us - irrespective of contract length.
Far better, surely, to make sure the club's insurance policies are in order to cover them when a player gets injured?
And of course to counter the downside of having an injured player on a long contract there's the possibility of a potential transfer fee if the player performs well, squad development and cohesion, not needing to find 10 or more player each pre-season...
Can understand the caution but the club is in danger of cutting off it's nose to spite it's face.

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29 May 2019 12:25 #364 by lummy8
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If we did get Yates or Nadeson (I know we wont but that age), they would give them 2 years, I don't believe that everyone who comes to the club will just be offered a year.

You never know, NC certainly reads this, do not be surprised that JD gets the extra year, then the interview will come out that they were always going to offer it! ;)
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29 May 2019 12:51 #365 by Lakelandterrier
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lummy8 wrote: If we did get Yates or Nadeson (I know we wont but that age), they would give them 2 years, I don't believe that everyone who comes to the club will just be offered a year.

You never know, NC certainly reads this, do not be surprised that JD gets the extra year, then the interview will come out that they were always going to offer it! ;)



I have just sent NC a message about contracts and the Devitt situation. Lets see if he replies. I have adjed to discuss this.

Lummy if a meeting could be arranged. Can you attend?

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Lee

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29 May 2019 13:04 #366 by Mullen103
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Well supporters this is the club you now have, due to the owners/trust and any direct action.

1 year contracts and getting any cheap Scottish player from cabbage leagues and conference players. Silly PR shots, that people fall for, by putting in stupid offers for Yates etc.

Carlisle United is better than this, but as per usual we just bounce along just about surviving in this poxy league year after year.

At least we’re not Stockport

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29 May 2019 13:07 - 29 May 2019 13:09 #367 by nobbyblue
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Wouldn't be surprised if he ends up at Grimsby. He's had two spells there and the fans seem to like him.

They've definitely offered him something.
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29 May 2019 13:14 #368 by crunchblue
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If this is true and I have no reason to doubt Lummy's source, and it is indeed only an extra year Devitt is asking for and not more money, then this is absolute madness from the club and a clear sign that the people in charge don't want what's best for the club.

He shouldn't even have to ask for a 2 year contract. That should be at the very least what we offer.
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29 May 2019 13:24 - 29 May 2019 13:25 #369 by lummy8
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He usually replies to emails to be fair to him, but he will reply that this is not his department.

There are no real answers he can give or you can get, because he will say DH in charge of it, then DH will say he is working on behalf of the board which is fair enough, then the board wont say who is actually running the club so its pointless.

As for attending meetings, I find them a waste of time as they just roll out the same old answers and hide behind confidentiality or say "its not my department".

I do not think NC has any say in these negotiations this year, it is between DH and the player, and whoever DH is working for.

I just know and I dont think it is hard to work out how, that JD willing to stay, SP wants him to stay, would take same money which is affordable, but 2 years.

The contracts offered to others are not great either, but this is where we are. As I said, lets see if these young lads can hit the ground running and SP gets the team going with his philosophy and spirit he wants to create. I think he may do well.
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29 May 2019 13:35 #370 by Urban Designer
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If they do hit the ground running they'll be sold for peanuts in the January window.
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29 May 2019 13:54 #371 by seesaw50
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Mullen103 wrote: Well supporters this is the club you now have, due to the owners/trust and any direct action.

1 year contracts and getting any cheap Scottish player from cabbage leagues and conference players. Silly PR shots, that people fall for, by putting in stupid offers for Yates etc.

Carlisle United is better than this, but as per usual we just bounce along just about surviving in this poxy league year after year.


Here Mullen have a look at d3d4 piece on Bury FC on Twitter......will make your hair curl

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29 May 2019 13:57 #372 by seesaw50
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What I dont understand is Scougall hasn't signed either...he just arrived

Then there's Jones

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29 May 2019 14:04 #373 by Mush
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Mullen103 wrote:

Zebby wrote: I see Darlo fans have raise 80 grand for the manager to spend.

Wouldn't it be nice if our trust could raise those sort of funds for the manager or even for the fans benefit


www.thenationalleague.org.uk/armstrong-i...ra-cash-to-goo-57102


They've raised 6k in 3 years and purchased a TV, what more do you want ;)


A really good TV I've heard..:-)
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29 May 2019 19:02 #374 by pacirv
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Pressleys latest statement makes it sound like he is going to rely on loan players up front, if that's true lets hope they are season long loans. We all know how it worked out last season with the half season loans.

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29 May 2019 19:17 #375 by seesaw50
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Jermaine Beckford on the radar apparently...out of contract at Bury...clearly not a loan

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29 May 2019 19:32 #376 by PaddockRanger
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seesaw50 wrote: Jermaine Beckford on the radar apparently...out of contract at Bury...clearly not a loan


Beckford is in decline and he was shite when he came on loan before his career took off.

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29 May 2019 22:38 #377 by seesaw50
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That's what I thought ...no good here last time, but how many suffered the same then had a great career.
Must be getting on as well

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29 May 2019 23:14 #378 by Urban Designer
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We are basically being transformed to a feeder team with a part time budget!

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29 May 2019 23:57 #379 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Why did Beckford play so few times for Bury over the past couple of seasons?

Was he injured?

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30 May 2019 07:23 #380 by seesaw50
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Nicky Maynard....Jay O'Shay .....Nicky Adams to name 3 reasons and they found a winning formula........maybe

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30 May 2019 08:42 #381 by lummy8
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Lee Clark signed him on big money for Bury and I think he done his knee quite early on, I thought this year he would come back but maybe could not get in for the strikers form.

Can't remember seeing him on any celebration photos this season.

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30 May 2019 10:09 #382 by seesaw50
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And hes going on for 36 now ...risk at the very least.

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30 May 2019 10:12 #383 by CarlisleWhite
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Jermaine Beckford is a God, but he is unlikely to still be up to it with his knees. If he does sign, we would need to have two top out and out wingers.

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30 May 2019 10:34 #384 by Dancingbear
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CarlisleWhite wrote: Jermaine Beckford is a God, but he is unlikely to still be up to it with his knees. If he does sign, we would need to have two top out and out wingers.


We can probably do two top out and out whingers if that’s any good?

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30 May 2019 10:56 #385 by ParcelPete
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Mullen and Wukkie.
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30 May 2019 15:19 #386 by thefoot
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seesaw50 wrote: Jermaine Beckford on the radar apparently...out of contract at Bury...clearly not a loan

Surely not?

I thought he was a player who relied massively on his pace. At 36 and injury prone this would be a desperately poor signing imho.

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30 May 2019 15:33 - 30 May 2019 15:34 #387 by pacirv
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After the initial three signings its gone very quiet. Lots of talk but no action.
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30 May 2019 16:15 #388 by Dancingbear
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ParcelPete wrote: Mullen and Wukkie.


Looking like MRF and Pacirv are trying to cement their places on the bench.

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30 May 2019 16:37 #389 by cufcmike
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Even when Beckford was in his prime he was massively overrated. He'd need 5 or 6 good chances before scoring.

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30 May 2019 16:40 #390 by Markovitch
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Didn't he score the winner for Leeds to knock man u out the cup?

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30 May 2019 17:03 #391 by CarlisleWhite
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cufcmike wrote: Even when Beckford was in his prime he was massively overrated. He'd need 5 or 6 good chances before scoring.

Really? I know he was poor at Carlisle, but Beckford was a premier league striker after all, and at one of your lots teams. Not quite a top striker, but 10 goals in the top league.
Watching Billy Paynter must have clouded your judgement.
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30 May 2019 17:04 #392 by CarlisleWhite
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Markovitch wrote: Didn't he score the winner for Leeds to knock man u out the cup?

Who could forget it (well probably most on here apart from me).
Spolied it all by handing in a transfer request before the game, which only came out after it!

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30 May 2019 18:04 #393 by Wukkie
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Dancingbear wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: Mullen and Wukkie.


Looking like MRF and Pacirv are trying to cement their places on the bench.


I'm not even half as bad as MRF so I'll glady sit on the bench this time.
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30 May 2019 23:07 #394 by Bluedevil
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MerseysideBlue wrote: I'd heard a suggestion recently that the reason for these one year deals is that they don't want anyone on a deal longer than the manager.

Surely that is the whole point in having the bloke from the Milk Tray advert as Director of Football - it gives continuity beyond the life spell of the manager.


I could have believed that under Curle but not Pressley.
I was told on very good authority that Curle had it in his contract that no player would be on longer deals than him and NO player was paid more than him. Pressley I understand is a lot more flexible on this kind of thing, and as long as he gets the players he needs/wants then will settle for what they are offered.
And if true, then its going to be interesting how long Pressley will put up with this nonsense.

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30 May 2019 23:11 #395 by Bluedevil
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seesaw50 wrote: And hes going on for 36 now ...risk at the very least.


Seem to remember he didn't pull up any trees when he was here on loan, although respect to the lad he didn't celebrate in front of our fans when he scored whilst playing for Scunny.

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30 May 2019 23:18 #396 by munchymagic
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Bluedevil wrote:

MerseysideBlue wrote: I'd heard a suggestion recently that the reason for these one year deals is that they don't want anyone on a deal longer than the manager.

Surely that is the whole point in having the bloke from the Milk Tray advert as Director of Football - it gives continuity beyond the life spell of the manager.


I could have believed that under Curle but not Pressley.
I was told on very good authority that Curle had it in his contract that no player would be on longer deals than him and NO player was paid more than him. Pressley I understand is a lot more flexible on this kind of thing, and as long as he gets the players he needs/wants then will settle for what they are offered.
And if true, then its going to be interesting how long Pressley will put up with this nonsense.


Credit to any person that can dictate this to their boss.

There is probably a hit of truth to it with a bit of 'myth' thrown in :)

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30 May 2019 23:23 #397 by Bluedevil
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munchymagic wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

MerseysideBlue wrote: I'd heard a suggestion recently that the reason for these one year deals is that they don't want anyone on a deal longer than the manager.

Surely that is the whole point in having the bloke from the Milk Tray advert as Director of Football - it gives continuity beyond the life spell of the manager.


I could have believed that under Curle but not Pressley.
I was told on very good authority that Curle had it in his contract that no player would be on longer deals than him and NO player was paid more than him. Pressley I understand is a lot more flexible on this kind of thing, and as long as he gets the players he needs/wants then will settle for what they are offered.
And if true, then its going to be interesting how long Pressley will put up with this nonsense.


Credit to any person that can dictate this to their boss.

There is probably a hit of truth to it with a bit of 'myth' thrown in :)


Credit = Yes
Madness = Yes, But I can understand that from Curle, he seemed to be a bit like Sol Campbell, ie' though he was a lot better than he actually was, and our board were/are stupid enough to agree to it.

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30 May 2019 23:40 - 30 May 2019 23:41 #398 by munchymagic
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Bluedevil wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

MerseysideBlue wrote: I'd heard a suggestion recently that the reason for these one year deals is that they don't want anyone on a deal longer than the manager.

Surely that is the whole point in having the bloke from the Milk Tray advert as Director of Football - it gives continuity beyond the life spell of the manager.


I could have believed that under Curle but not Pressley.
I was told on very good authority that Curle had it in his contract that no player would be on longer deals than him and NO player was paid more than him. Pressley I understand is a lot more flexible on this kind of thing, and as long as he gets the players he needs/wants then will settle for what they are offered.
And if true, then its going to be interesting how long Pressley will put up with this nonsense.


Credit to any person that can dictate this to their boss.

There is probably a hit of truth to it with a bit of 'myth' thrown in :)


Credit = Yes
Madness = Yes, But I can understand that from Curle, he seemed to be a bit like Sol Campbell, ie' though he was a lot better than he actually was, and our board were/are stupid enough to agree to it.


Both Campbell and Curle (love or hate them) kept their respective clubs (us at the time) in the league by the skin of their teeth whilst inheriting a poor squad.

Fire-fighting may be their strength as Curle showed with Northampton again this year but as for gaining promotion then both have a lot to prove but I know where my money would be if I had to back either.
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31 May 2019 05:20 #399 by nobbyblue
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Doubt Curle will ever manage a top club but at least there was method in his madness. Not sure you can say that of Pressley.

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31 May 2019 07:45 - 31 May 2019 07:51 #400 by CCU
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