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26 Sep 2019 16:13 #401 by CCU

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26 Sep 2019 20:54 #402 by franksidebottom
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orfc wrote: If only there was someone who sat on both fa and efl boards, they'd be well placed to offer some perspective on this.

www.efltrust.com/our-board/
www.efl.com/-more/all-about-the-efl/efl-board/
www.thefa.com/about-football-association...e-are/the-fa-council


According to some, all done free of charge, out the goodness of his own heart and because nobody else would do it. What a jolly good bloke John is!

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27 Sep 2019 04:46 #403 by Markovitch
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I can't imagine how awful it must be to live in a world where doing something for nothing is seen as a failing. You must be very unhappy

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27 Sep 2019 06:45 #404 by Waltero
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He's feeding his ego plus I would imagine a decent expenses account. Are you certain he's not getting a salary ?
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27 Sep 2019 10:19 #405 by Markovitch
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It's a voluntary post. If he took money it would be a conflict of interest as he then has to represent the interest of his paymaster.
He's also very well thought of, that's why he keeps getting reelected.

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27 Sep 2019 10:47 - 27 Sep 2019 10:48 #406 by Mullen103
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Markovitch wrote: It's a voluntary post. If he took money it would be a conflict of interest as he then has to represent the interest of his paymaster.
He's also very well thought of, that's why he keeps getting reelected.


Yes agree, he is very well thought of by those in the FA/EFL - says it all really

To everyone else he is just a ******* **** ****** ******** **** *** ****** ***

At least we’re not Stockport
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27 Sep 2019 11:21 - 27 Sep 2019 11:23 #407 by feckwittery
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Markovitch wrote: He's also very well thought of, that's why he keeps getting reelected.

So he knows how to schmooze the FL board, that doesn't automatically correlate into him being suitable or good at performing the role.

He maybe without salary but he certainly isn't performing the role for 'free'.
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27 Sep 2019 12:01 #408 by Markovitch
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The fl board don't elect him, the clubs do

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27 Sep 2019 12:02 #409 by feckwittery
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So he can schmooze club boards then.
Needlessly pedantic Marko.
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27 Sep 2019 12:38 #410 by Lakelandterrier
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Marko will defend the failing board of Carlisle United. End of.

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27 Sep 2019 13:41 #411 by franksidebottom
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Markovitch wrote: It's a voluntary post. If he took money it would be a conflict of interest as he then has to represent the interest of his paymaster.
He's also very well thought of, that's why he keeps getting reelected.


I thought he kept on getting re-elected because nobody else is willing to do it? Make your mind up, which is it?

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27 Sep 2019 13:53 #412 by franksidebottom
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He is on 5 football boards across both the FL and the FA. Really don’t know whether he gets paid for his FL roles but he definitely does for his FA roles, and very handsomely.

He's not a Carlisle United fan as he claims, spend a couple of minutes in his company and it’s evident he’s not a football fan. He’s a fan of John Nixon. He’s used CUFC to further his own career and now he’s where he wants to be he’s dropped the club like a stone, why else do you never hear of him anymore?

Lummy once said “Carlisle United has done more for JN than JN has done for Carlisle United”. I think this sums him up perfectly, an absolute leech, a parasite.

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27 Sep 2019 13:55 #413 by franksidebottom
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Markovitch wrote: I can't imagine how awful it must be to live in a world where doing something for nothing is seen as a failing. You must be very unhappy


As happy as I’ve ever been thanks Markovitch. Happy I’m not as naive and gullible as you.

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27 Sep 2019 14:39 #414 by Markovitch
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Glad to hear it Frank, and you certainly make me laugh

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27 Sep 2019 14:44 #415 by Mullen103
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franksidebottom wrote: He is on 5 football boards across both the FL and the FA. Really don’t know whether he gets paid for his FL roles but he definitely does for his FA roles, and very handsomely.

He's not a Carlisle United fan as he claims, spend a couple of minutes in his company and it’s evident he’s not a football fan. He’s a fan of John Nixon. He’s used CUFC to further his own career and now he’s where he wants to be he’s dropped the club like a stone, why else do you never hear of him anymore?

Lummy once said “Carlisle United has done more for JN than JN has done for Carlisle United”. I think this sums him up perfectly, an absolute leech, a parasite.


Top post! You've got him sussed 100%.

Its quite evident he isn't on my christmas card list, I can't stand the bloke and people like him that use whatever means possible to climb the pole without necessarily having the skills to do it. Narcissist I would say.

If you speak to people at pirelli there'll tell you what he was like. No people skills and would shit on his own doorstep to get what he wanted. He was hated there amongst staff, i'm sure he left because of ill health.

Agree again, the bloke isn't a Carlisle fan, knows very little about football (but thats improved) and just uses the club as you say Frank for his own purposes.

His wife... Wow!

He can do as much FA work as he wants, i'm sure he does a good job but remember he only has those positions due to being associated with Carlisle United.

At least we’re not Stockport
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27 Sep 2019 15:18 - 27 Sep 2019 15:30 #416 by Markovitch
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Considering half this board choose a hill or b&q over Brunton Park on a Saturday bit harsh calling him not a fan.
And Franks not a fan!! He supports Sunderland, evidence of knowing nothing about football if it were required.

Edited to say, come on then Frank, put your money where your mouth is. How do you know about all these roles and that he gets paid? Because you just made that up and its not true, is it? Tut tut Frankie
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27 Sep 2019 18:10 #417 by franksidebottom
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I know about all these roles because it’s on the Internet, the EFL website no less. Here’s a link as proof

www.efltrust.com/our-board/

The one it doesn’t mention is the league two rep at the EFL which is common knowledge.

As for the source of information with regards his salary at the FA, do you really think I’m going to post it up on here and risk someone getting the sack just to prove a point to an internet nerd?

Finally with regards to not being a fan, we can meet at Leyton Orient in a few weeks to discuss your flawed notion that supporting a team who’s not very good equates to not knowing much about football.

What do you mean you’re not going? Smart fan...

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27 Sep 2019 18:27 #418 by Markovitch
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The efl trust is a charity. The trustees are unpaid. Google their accounts, its in note 6. The total trustees expenses were 1300£ in total across all trustees for a whole year. So now you are going to slag the man off for doing unpaid work for a charity? When you do what exactly? Nice Frank, nice.

You are not going to tell us because someone is going to get the sack?! Aye right. You are just making crap up as usual. Politics of envy

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27 Sep 2019 19:07 #419 by franksidebottom
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I didn’t say someone is going to get the sack, I said RISK someone getting the sack it’s there in black and white, even you are going to struggle to argue with that. I really don’t know how confidential the information is or what stance his bosses would take if he was named so why risk it just to prove a point to argumentative nerds like you? Once again you’re showing your naivety by thinking I was going to put a name up on here.

Why are you talking about him not being paid for EFL work when I specifically said I didn’t know about his EFL roles, but he was definitely paid for his FA roles? (I refer you back to the second sentence of post #412). You do know the two are separate organisations?

Once again you’ve ended up in the minority saying everyone else is wrong, would you never stop to think that perhaps it’s you who’s wrong?

Anyway, Orient, yes or no?

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27 Sep 2019 19:50 #420 by Markovitch
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And I asked you how you knew that he was getting paid, and you again played the I can't tell you card, its a secret. He doesn't get paid Frank.


And just think about it. If you hired a lawyer and you found he was being paid by the prosecution as well you would ditch him immediately. He is not allowed to be paid, its an immediate conflict of interest and the fa has half a dozen ethics, remuneration and oversight committees that would pick it up in seconds.

Go look at fifa forward development plan, pillar 3,section b. Its all in there, the rules for member organisations.

Nixon is a successful, influential, respected man. Your posts smack of envy because you will never be asked to participate. Arguments, I know but I can't tell you where from make you sound like a 5 year old.

And I won't be at orient because I'm working abroad. Remember how you made some comment about me posting at 3am. That's because it's not 3am, it's 10am where I am

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14 Oct 2019 18:09 #421 by CCU
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Looks like the end of the road for Bury. Would assume this lot have plans all ready to go for a phoenix Club?


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21 Oct 2019 16:46 #422 by CCU
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This has been happening today:



The FSA Twitter has covered it extensively, some good reading...

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25 Oct 2019 17:41 #423 by Markovitch
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Read somewhere that Chichester Town got the bye. They are the lowest ranked team in the draw and have offered some of their £36k prize money to Bury. Hope its true

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25 Oct 2019 19:07 #424 by CCU
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Is it Monday where you are?!

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26 Oct 2019 02:44 - 26 Oct 2019 02:47 #425 by Markovitch
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Kazakhstan. Came up on my feed from wsc. But I was in the queue at the airport so I didn't get the chance to check it. I take it its not true? Shame

It's on the BBC as well. The bye is the first round so they got it on the Monday gone. Prize money 36k
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26 Oct 2019 06:30 #426 by melbourneblues
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No you have got something right for a change Marko it’s just that it’s old news.

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26 Oct 2019 07:56 - 26 Oct 2019 07:58 #427 by nobbyblue
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Markovitch wrote: Read somewhere that Chichester Town got the bye. They are the lowest ranked team in the draw and have offered some of their £36k prize money to Bury. Hope its true


Chichester should keep all the money. I'd give Bury [censored] all!
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26 Oct 2019 10:10 #428 by CCU
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26 Oct 2019 10:33 #429 by nobbyblue
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He was lucky to get any wages. He only started three league games last season!

Never been the same since he turned vegan.

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26 Oct 2019 11:46 #430 by aberdeenblue28
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We should offer him a contract because he’s better then what we have and he can cover both centre back and both full backs.

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26 Oct 2019 11:59 - 26 Oct 2019 12:02 #431 by nobbyblue
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When he first came he was excellent scoring goals and everything but it faded a bit. As you say better than what we've got. That hiding up Edinburgh maybe affected him.

But would only sign on the proviso he gets some Cranston's sausages into him.
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26 Oct 2019 12:42 #432 by seesaw50
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Yeah wouldn't be a daft idea to get him in on even 3/4 month deal till end of Jan ....some of these players weren't let go by CU because they weren't doing it. Nobby, think he'd had a punctured lung which kept him out at Bury for part of last season...then foot injury but fit now according to Colmans piece.

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27 Oct 2019 20:40 #433 by CCU
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Phoenix Club planning already well under way: buryphoenix.co.uk/2019/10/statement-on-t...oenix-club-for-bury/

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27 Oct 2019 21:55 #434 by Yorkie Blue
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I`d wish `em all the best, hope they can resurrect a Bury FC.


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27 Oct 2019 22:00 #435 by nobbyblue
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I wouldn't follow a phoenix club if Carlisle United folded.

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27 Oct 2019 22:40 #436 by ParcelPete
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nobbyblue wrote: I wouldn't follow a phoenix club if Carlisle United folded.


Not even the night games.
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28 Oct 2019 09:23 #437 by Dancingbear
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He’s already got a season ticket for Banana Grove FC

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24 Nov 2019 01:35 #438 by munchymagic
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I have just seen the farce in League One at the bottom, three go down and Bolton have one point, games in hand but cannot see that meaning anything, then you have Southend on five points.

MK Dons have thirteen points and the next to safety is sixteen points meaning you would have to be proper clart to get relegated from League One this season.

Strange seeing Fleetwood sitting above Sunderland and Portsmouth.

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24 Nov 2019 12:24 #439 by Waltero
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I'm more worried about the league 2 table especially the bottom end.
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18 Dec 2019 11:38 #440 by CCU
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18 Dec 2019 17:11 #441 by Flatcap
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Bury AFC (the phoenix club) have made an application to join the North West Counties League, which is the same league as Cleator Moor Celtic play in.

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18 Dec 2019 17:38 #442 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Flatcap wrote: Bury AFC (the phoenix club) has made an application to join the North West Counties League, which is the same league as Cleator Moor Celtic play in.


That's really just a stand by option which they've had to do because of the timescales involved.

But if the fans manage to get their hands on the remains of the old club [ and today's decision means that it still exists and yer man has been paying at least some of the debts but probably increases the valuation he.ll put on it.] they are entitled to apply to the conference to rejoin the pyramid at that point.

But it's splitting the fans down the middle the Pheonix proposal means ground-sharing at another local non-league ground [ probably Radcliffe Boro ] and there's a good percentage who arent keen on that. The other route if they got ownership of what's left of the old club would be into the Conference [ or possibly Conference North] and they have a guy who is willing to buy and support the club to the tune of 1million over 3 years. If he and the fans can get control of what's left of it without the debt the council are willing to ensure that the grounds owners play ball [ which is now complicated by Stuart Days administrators now claiming that they actually still own it ]

Its a hell of a mess but if they are to get control of the old club things will have to move pretty quickly but I guess today's decision will be a watershed as the club as an entity still exists which it may not have done.

I.ve heard a scenario which would work for everyone except the people owed money by the club company it borders on being legal or not but after what's gone on that's hardly something new and for the sake of the fans lets hope they can pull it off as I think NWC is a hell of a long way to come back from whereas theoretically plan B could have them back in the league in 12 months.

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19 Dec 2019 19:57 #443 by howoldboy
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If NS says "I.ve heard a scenario which would work for everyone" you're meant to reply with "What have you heard NS".

Come on you Cumbrians wake up FFS.

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20 Dec 2019 07:39 #444 by NORTHERNSOUL
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howoldboy wrote: If NS says "I.ve heard a scenario which would work for everyone" you're meant to reply with "What have you heard NS".

Come on you Cumbrians wake up FFS.


Its all in the open now after last nights meeting which although it got a bit heated at times at least everyone now knows what the 3 options are, what they entail and whos behind them.

At least there was a good display of fight and passion something desperately lacking amongst CUFC fans to save their club at the minute
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20 Dec 2019 08:31 #445 by nobbyblue
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Is Steve Dale still the owner? He's keeping a pretty low profile these days! :-D

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20 Dec 2019 11:58 #446 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote: Is Steve Dale still the owner? He's keeping a pretty low profile these days! :-D


He hasn't a lot of choice there's some pretty tasty lads on his tail they got one of his sons on Mcr a couple of weeks back.

The court decision this week should start to move things on as nobody was gonna negotiate to buy a company that was being wound up by HMRC.

He's paid the tax bill to fend that off but nobody seems to have any idea how much he wants. I get the impression the bloke whos willing to risk a million wants him to put it into admin to lose most of the debt, he.ll buy it out of admin and then bung Dale a couple of hundred grand under the table.

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14 Feb 2020 16:44 #447 by CCU
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14 Feb 2020 19:12 #448 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote:


That's bloody awful reporting by the BBC Bury FC Didn't pay 70k to buy some debt off Stuart Days administrators to enable them to Push thru the arrangement. Bury FC didn't set up up the arrangement Steve Dale did and its Steve Dale whos decided to default on the arrangement by choosing not to pay a single penny.

Time the Bury Lads paid his house another early hours visit methinks.

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