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23 Oct 2018 15:16 #501 by Laffy
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A low blow High Street-I don’t like the politics of envy, nor am I rich.I would love a train service that doesnt treat people like animals and that isnt controlled by a union hell bent on pissing everyone off.Both sides at fault but technology is moving fast and is unstoppable.

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23 Oct 2018 15:23 #502 by ParcelPete
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Someone else having a pop at you on the "This looks very tinpot" thread Andrew.

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23 Oct 2018 16:25 #503 by thesilentone
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It looks like the RMT dog might finally be seeing the Rabbit !! A Supervisor on the train that stops sexual assaults and violence against passengers I would fully support, shame they didn't use this argument years ago (and put it into action on Carlisle-Newcastle line)

So, can we cut all the rest of the crap?

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23 Oct 2018 17:22 #504 by Laffy
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I’m from Harraby-89 Pennine Way.Not f...g Eaton

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23 Oct 2018 22:56 #505 by CCU
Australia see sense!


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23 Oct 2018 23:10 #506 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: I’m from Harraby-89 Pennine Way.Not f...g Eaton



There's no need to go on a hunger strike over this.

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24 Oct 2018 02:32 #507 by NORTHERNSOUL
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For the benefit of those idiots who think trains will be as safe without fully trained and competent guards as they currently are with them.

Heres the rational and reasoned views of the unions Mick Cash

www.rmt.org.uk/news/members-updates/role...va-rail-north201018/

Meanwhile, Arriva simply continue to spout the Tory party's mantra and shite while trying to maintain they're open to talks on the subject when really they're not and when the union turn up rather than discuss or attempt to justify their plans all they're willing to talk about is the implementation of the fantasy scenario being peddled by them and Grayling that simply isn't ever going to happen.

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02 Nov 2018 11:56 #508 by CCU
Every Saturday until the end of the year now.

Can’t see the office staff who cover on a Saturday wanting to do the run up to Xmas?


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02 Nov 2018 13:22 #509 by Laffy
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Well I’m now on the train to Hexham now from sunny Carlisle and it’s amazing because that oh so important guard is soooo busy, he isn’t bothering to take money or check tickets.

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02 Nov 2018 13:59 #510 by thesilentone
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"Rail passengers to plan ahead as RMT strike continues tomorrow"

Starting to enjoy this, the Bully Boys are really starting to pxxs people off...............

They must need some chrimbo shopping...

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02 Nov 2018 14:54 #511 by Laffy
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Well pretending to be busy but not collecting fares is poor-that’s his job.Any other business where you get a free ride and the employee would be sacked.

Hang on...everybody out again-you can’t sack this guy!

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02 Nov 2018 15:03 - 02 Nov 2018 15:13 #512 by CCU
Checking tickets and collecting fares is only a small portion of the Job Description...

Some reading: www.rmt.org.uk/news/publications/the-saf...ards-safety-2016.pdf

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02 Nov 2018 15:24 #513 by Laffy
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I think collecting fares is most important-otherwise no income,no pay!!!

I didn’t see any rioting , leaves on the track-just a guard who opened and shut the doors.

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02 Nov 2018 17:17 - 02 Nov 2018 17:18 #514 by thesilentone
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CCU wrote: Checking tickets and collecting fares is only a small portion of the Job Description...

Some reading: www.rmt.org.uk/news/publications/the-saf...ards-safety-2016.pdf



Most of the actual key tasks are missing like:

1) Checking management haven't swapped the bog roll for the cheap slippy stuff (like BR days)
2) Ensuring all strike days have a social plan and days out sorted.
3) Looking for ' Elf and Safety risks '
4) making up new ' Elf and Safety Risks '
5) Ensuring there is good wifi signal in the bog.
6) make sure sufficient tea and coffee sachets are in stock, if not nick a few more from the caterers.
7) Find a good hiding place just in case a scrap starts.
8) Make sure the roster guarantees some beaucoup overtime.
9) Phone the wife and tell her I'll be home early (after the overtime is finished)
10) Shoot all ASLEF drivers on sight......
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02 Nov 2018 17:23 #515 by Laffy
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Are you Sarah Palin by chance?

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06 Nov 2018 15:04 #516 by thesilentone
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"Free travel for armed forces, veterans and volunteers across Northern network for Remembrance weekend
For Remembrance weekend, which this year commemorates the 100th anniversary of the end of the First World War, Northern is offering free rail travel"


Only one problem, the RMT will be on strike.........

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06 Nov 2018 15:11 #517 by Dancingbear
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Bit of a cheap trick by Northern dont you think?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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07 Nov 2018 03:55 #518 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: "Free travel for armed forces, veterans and volunteers across Northern network for Remembrance weekend
For Remembrance weekend, which this year commemorates the 100th anniversary of the end of the First World War, Northern is offering free rail travel"


Only one problem, the RMT will be on strike.........


And Northern will be cancelling hundreds of services on Sunday to stop the guards earning their overtime payments to supplement their wages as they have been doing for the last 10 weeks.

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07 Nov 2018 07:01 #519 by Laffy
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Well the RMT have managed to gridlock London today on their guardless Tube-and Northern are looking for a handout as their franchise income is crippled by strike and timetable woes.

I wonder if that lazy guard was pulled up after not bothering to collect fares on the Carlisle to Hexham journey last Friday?

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07 Nov 2018 08:03 #520 by DeckchairBlue
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Laffy wrote: Well the RMT have managed to gridlock London today on their guardless Tube-and Northern are looking for a handout as their franchise income is crippled by strike and timetable woes.

I wonder if that lazy guard was pulled up after not bothering to collect fares on the Carlisle to Hexham journey last Friday?


Did you question the guard at the time as to what he was doing it report him for in your view not doing his job ?

Are you in a position to be able to judge whether somebody is doing their job, or just speculating and hoping for someone to lose their job ?

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07 Nov 2018 08:38 #521 by Laffy
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No Deckchair-I merely noted that the guard didn’t bother to check tickets or collect cash-a regular occurrence on this journey I can assure you.

It was highly noticeable in the summer that the union were on a major charm offensive because the guards were carrying cases,speaking to travellers and generally being very helpful.

I keep saying-the only way this strike will get sorted is by having dialogue without pre conditions-that applies to both sides.I don’t think causing weekly misery for people who rely on the train is a great way of going about it and the longer this goes on, the less sympathy the RMT will get.

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07 Nov 2018 09:13 #522 by thesilentone
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Striking on a ' Public Safety ' agenda, creates risk to the public.

The Doctors very quickly learned that striking on a ' this is not about money, it's about patients ' very quickly lost public sympathy.

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07 Nov 2018 12:36 #523 by DeckchairBlue
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Laffy wrote:
It was highly noticeable in the summer that the union were on a major charm offensive because the guards were carrying cases,speaking to travellers and generally being very helpful.

I keep saying-the only way this strike will get sorted is by having dialogue without pre conditions-that applies to both sides.I don’t think causing weekly misery for people who rely on the train is a great way of going about it and the longer this goes on, the less sympathy the RMT will get.


So they are only helpful to travellers when they are being to be by the union, not purely because that is part of their job. You sure do seem to have something against people trying to earn a living.

Do the operators ever truly go into dialogue without pre-conditions, do they stick to the agreements they make ?

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07 Nov 2018 12:38 #524 by DeckchairBlue
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thesilentone wrote: Striking on a ' Public Safety ' agenda, creates risk to the public.

The Doctors very quickly learned that striking on a ' this is not about money, it's about patients ' very quickly lost public sympathy.


That's because the public are being conditioned to believe that those fighting for better conditions and to stop abuses of power are the ones in the wrong, and that big business and the government can do no wrong.
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07 Nov 2018 14:43 #525 by High Street
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Wonder how you would have coped without a guard?

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17206874.hors...-accident-at-gretna/

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07 Nov 2018 19:26 #526 by thesilentone
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They would have .............

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08 Nov 2018 17:56 #527 by Laffy
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That’s pathetic Deckchair-I am involved with a lot of businesses and I make bloody sure the staff are well paid, have good working conditions and benefit from any upside.Its called giving people ownership and respect.All our companies have share option schemes and generous remuneration-I would rather pay over the going rate as staff churn is a pain.In return,I would expect all employees to work as a team with the board and majority owners.

The problem with public ownership is its difficult to empower and provide meaningful ownership which creates value.Hence you have massive sickness issues with state industries.Its not all about money of course but giving an employee a slice of the cake and the opportunity to improve their lot is a great thing.


I do have a problem with striking-a remnant of the past.Most professions don’t strike-they negotiate.But of course when you have key employees like train drivers and pilots, it’s not difficult to cause chaos but walking out.

This guard strike is going nowhere-I have no problem with guards and seeing them on trains.I do have a problem with them obstructing the general public going about their business.

Why don’t they offer to talk with a clean sheet of paper?Remove the entrenched positions and work as employer/employee to improve things for all?

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09 Nov 2018 02:40 #528 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: That’s pathetic Deckchair-I am involved with a lot of businesses and I make bloody sure the staff are well paid, have good working conditions and benefit from any upside.Its called giving people ownership and respect.All our companies have share option schemes and generous remuneration-I would rather pay over the going rate as staff churn is a pain.In return,I would expect all employees to work as a team with the board and majority owners.

The problem with public ownership is its difficult to empower and provide meaningful ownership which creates value.Hence you have massive sickness issues with state industries.Its not all about money of course but giving an employee a slice of the cake and the opportunity to improve their lot is a great thing.


I do have a problem with striking-a remnant of the past.Most professions don’t strike-they negotiate.But of course when you have key employees like train drivers and pilots, it’s not difficult to cause chaos but walking out.

This guard strike is going nowhere-I have no problem with guards and seeing them on trains.I do have a problem with them obstructing the general public going about their business.

Why don’t they offer to talk with a clean sheet of paper?Remove the entrenched positions and work as employer/employee to improve things for all?


Or we could just tear up Thatchers anti-union legislation and give the people of this country their human right to withdraw their labour in any way they feel appropriate back and not be subject to stupid laws about how many pickets you can have for how long

That way disputes like the one with Northern would be over in 6 days not six months

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09 Nov 2018 06:30 #529 by Laffy
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Yes and we would be begging for money from whoever would lend it-it’s amazing how people forget what this country was like in the 1970s.Back then we were relatively insulated by being an Island but can you imagine the state of our economy with a bunch of trots running it now?

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09 Nov 2018 10:11 #530 by CCU
MP for Barrow tweets an interesting link from the Daily Mail:


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09 Nov 2018 16:15 #531 by Flatcap
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Laffy wrote: Yes and we would be begging for money from whoever would lend it-it’s amazing how people forget what this country was like in the 1970s.Back then we were relatively insulated by being an Island but can you imagine the state of our economy with a bunch of trots running it now?


China seems to manage alright.
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27 Nov 2018 18:51 - 27 Nov 2018 19:15 #532 by thesilentone
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Seeing it's the season of goodwill to all men, the old humbugs at the RMT are going to make sure Northern Rail travelers get the maximum disruption.

Northern has announced details of the services it will operate for the RMT strike action on Saturday, 1 December and the following four Saturdays.

The RMT strike action, planned for 1,8,15,22 and 29 December, will see Northern running approximately 700 services during each Saturday – but with very few Northern services running after 5pm.

Those Northern services that do run and other operators’ services are expected to be extremely busy as the build-up to Christmas continues.

Northern has called for RMT to suspend its damaging December strike action and return to talks at ACAS. RMT has made agreements with other train operators that it refuses to discuss with Northern.


www.cumbriacrack.com/2018/11/27/rmt-stri...syb0ZQqG_0a8Y_S2eN1g
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27 Nov 2018 21:26 #533 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: Seeing it's the season of goodwill to all men, the old humbugs at the RMT are going to make sure Northern Rail travelers get the maximum disruption.

Northern has announced details of the services it will operate for the RMT strike action on Saturday, 1 December and the following four Saturdays.

The RMT strike action, planned for 1,8,15,22 and 29 December, will see Northern running approximately 700 services during each Saturday – but with very few Northern services running after 5pm.

Those Northern services that do run and other operators’ services are expected to be extremely busy as the build-up to Christmas continues.

Northern has called for RMT to suspend its damaging December strike action and return to talks at ACAS. RMT has made agreements with other train operators that it refuses to discuss with Northern.


www.cumbriacrack.com/2018/11/27/rmt-stri...syb0ZQqG_0a8Y_S2eN1g


And I call on Northern to scrap their petty Tory Government instructed plans and I can assure you that every single guard will be working every single Saturday for the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile Northern deliberately piss off

The Guards by cancelling trains on the Sundays so that the guards aren't able to earn their overtime.

The passengers by devising a timetable that a 3-year-old could do a better job on and works for nobody If they really wanted to run the best service they could with the resources available why not just cancel completely their service where another operator services the route then run a normal Saturday service but at half frequency on the other routes.

And now you have the idiotic situation on the York - Blackpool route where they have a bus that you can walk faster than all through the day then at tea time they run a proper train service in the evening. Now, why couldn't they have done that while the illuminations were on?

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28 Nov 2018 11:16 #534 by Arragorn
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Be interesting to see what havoc the RMT dinosaurs will cause on HS2

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28 Nov 2018 20:31 #535 by CCU
Transport for the North have entered the dispute:

Transport for the North does not support removing the second person from trains, particularly when a significant proportion of rail stations in the North of England are classed as inaccessible for disabled passengers.


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29 Nov 2018 12:58 #536 by CCU
Over to you Arriva...


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29 Nov 2018 13:54 #537 by Laffy
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Good news but caveated by RMT setting out pre condition guarantees before the chat

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29 Nov 2018 17:15 #538 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Good news but caveated by RMT setting out pre condition guarantees before the chat


Well of course theres pre conditions as Arriva are a right bunch of slimey tossers so we wouldnt want them wriggling off now weve got them on the hook would we ? Maybe they could start by telling us if the govenment are letting them keep the 250 million of subsidy that was dependant on them pushing thru the plan to get rid of guards or wether they have to pay it back maybe they could tell us out of which directors renumertion packages its coming because if they think they can get Northerns customers to pay it i would rather the RMT kept striking till Norther are in the gutter where they belong.

If it had been me i would have made it a condition that they have to refer to the 2nd man as a guard until at least Dec 2118

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29 Nov 2018 19:23 #539 by Laffy
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What a pity you weren’t invited into the Brexit negotiations as a mediator-we would be home and dry by now Barry.Meanwhile in the real world I am delighted to say the Carlisle to Hexham train tonight is on time,tickets collected and paid for, and it’s practically empty.

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29 Nov 2018 20:19 #540 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: What a pity you weren’t invited into the Brexit negotiations as a mediator-we would be home and dry by now Barry.Meanwhile in the real world I am delighted to say the Carlisle to Hexham train tonight is on time,tickets collected and paid for, and it’s practically empty.


Well i can can guarentee you that if i had Andrew we wouldnt be lumbered with the crap that May brought back

I and about 25% of those who voted based their vote on taking back our borders and shes done absolutely nothing towards that other than telling people who.d already arrived here illegally/comitted crimes while here that they could stay We.d have got a much better deal when ferries full of illegals started arriving in Zebbruge every night and they started arguing amongst themselves as to who had to take them.

The most effective tool in any negotiation is to get your opposition disagreeing with each other. I didnt see any of that whatsoever even at the last minute last week they had a chance to wind up the Spanish and carry out ther threat not to turn up if theyd done that it would have been the EU in the shit not us.

The whole thing is a shambles and i.m pretty sure if we.d sent the Muppets to negotiate we.d of got a better deal than this one

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29 Nov 2018 20:47 #541 by Laffy
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To be honest,I’m ok with the deal-not perfect but not bad.

Meanwhile, Corbyn can’t make the BBC debate because it clashes with the final of I’m a Celebrity.A bit like Churchill pulling the DDay landing so he can have lunch at Simpson’s

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Why would JC want to get involved in an internal Conservative party dispute?
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29 Nov 2018 21:01 #543 by Dancingbear
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howoldboy wrote: Why would JC want to get involved in an internal Conservative party dispute?


Exactly.

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30 Nov 2018 13:08 #544 by CCU

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30 Nov 2018 14:30 #545 by CCU
Looks like Northern have awoken...


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30 Nov 2018 19:12 #546 by Laffy
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And no pre conditions from the RMT-there is hope!

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30 Nov 2018 19:22 #547 by CCU
I can see this ending with a similar set-up to what was agreed elsewhere. Namely that the Driver releases the doors when he’s brought a train to a stop, and the Guard closes them to get going again.

If so, then Northern have wasted a year roughly as this option was offered by the RMT ages ago...

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30 Nov 2018 21:05 #548 by thesilentone
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So who changes the Bog Roll ?

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30 Nov 2018 21:39 #549 by High Street
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Cleaners. As they’ve always done.

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30 Nov 2018 21:42 #550 by High Street
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Hearing ATN have had to negotiate with DafT to amend the franchise schedule to retain guards. The cost of continuing to employ a ‘second person’ and retro fit all the old trains they have (not one current northern train can work DOO) is probably more.
Also, the new rail minister is a bit more clued up than the previous one.

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