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07 Jun 2019 20:48 #651 by Laffy
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The problem is these guys are ‘ordinary working me’-they are on big salaries and pensions etc but most importantly they know they have a substantial ship given the nature of the job.

You cannot seriously group this lot with for example cleaners or shop workers on £8.50 an hour-sadly these are the very people who need employment protection, not the well paid key workers with fat pensions.

I watched the Thatcher programme the other night and nearly fell off my seat laughing at the coal union guy who claimed that it ‘wasn’t fair’ that Thatcher had the foresight to stockpile coal before the strike, thus giving her the upper hand -I call that tactic smart.

What a pity the miners weren’t led by the nose by an out of control Marxist with another agenda.

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07 Jun 2019 20:49 #652 by Laffy
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Sorry-not ‘ordinary working men’

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07 Jun 2019 22:19 #653 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: nearly fell off my seat laughing at the coal union guy who claimed that it ‘wasn’t fair’ that Thatcher had the foresight to stockpile coal before the strike, thus giving her the upper hand -I call that tactic smart.


Both of those are true. If one side arranges things so they have a clear advantage then it isn't fair. However they shouldn't have expected her to play fair, and should have anticipated a tactic like that. The Malvinas War had only been a couple of years earlier, she had firmly established herself as a no nonsense tough politician. There was no excuse for the unions seriously underestimating her, but it's completely true and valid to point out she wasn't being fair.

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07 Jun 2019 22:57 #654 by ParcelPete
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I think you mean the Falklands.
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07 Jun 2019 23:04 #655 by Unrepentant blue
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Laffy wrote: Sorry-not ‘ordinary working men’

Whilst not knowing any tube workers I do know some train drivers, these people tend to get the same bull crap.
They are normal working people that through intelligence, hard work and a slice of luck have found themselves on a nice little earner. Good luck to them.
As for the £8.50 workers needing protection........they don’t they just need paid more than what they get but they don’t have the muscle to get it.
And by the way they will never be treated with fairness and respect by any government, least of all a Tory one.

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08 Jun 2019 00:20 #656 by Alan
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5x2-9 = one more [censored] i give about londanistan .

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08 Jun 2019 09:14 #657 by Tom
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I think the answers 1, Happy?

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08 Jun 2019 10:16 #658 by carwash
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The Woolwich Ferry has also been beset with strikes this year. Just to wind Silentone up. shopstewards.net/2019/05/nssn-439-suppor...in-woolwich-bromley/
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08 Jun 2019 10:47 #659 by thesilentone
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Unrepentant blue wrote:

Laffy wrote: Sorry-not ‘ordinary working men’

Whilst not knowing any tube workers I do know some train drivers, these people tend to get the same bull crap.
They are normal working people that through intelligence, hard work and a slice of luck have found themselves on a nice little earner. Good luck to them.
As for the £8.50 workers needing protection........they don’t they just need paid more than what they get but they don’t have the muscle to get it.
And by the way they will never be treated with fairness and respect by any government, least of all a Tory one.



Sadly it is not possible to tell tho whole story without being branded a racist, however they are not selected because they are : "normal working people that through intelligence, hard work and a slice of luck have found themselves on a nice little earner."

I do wish the mods would stop censoring these threads, this has nothing whatsoever to do with guard/conductors

Touching a nerve somewhere.......

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08 Jun 2019 10:50 #660 by Dancingbear
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carwash wrote: The Woolwich Ferry has also been beset with strikes this year. Just to wind Silentone up. shopstewards.net/2019/05/nssn-439-suppor...in-woolwich-bromley/


Not to mention those fascist bully boy librarians.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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08 Jun 2019 13:09 #661 by Laffy
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Just remember it was those naughty naughty Tories who gave us the right to buy your council house-a first leg up for many working class people.
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08 Jun 2019 13:18 #662 by Dancingbear
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Laffy wrote: Just remember it was those naughty naughty Tories who gave us the right to buy your council house-a first leg up for many working class people.


Problem with that was successive governments of all descriptions didnt build enough new social housing and programmes like homes under the hammer have made it fashionable for people to try and milk the rental sector.

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08 Jun 2019 13:55 #663 by Markovitch
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Gave us the right to buy your council house. Sound of hammer hitting nail head

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08 Jun 2019 13:57 #664 by ParcelPete
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Laffy wrote: Just remember it was those naughty naughty Tories who gave us the right to buy your council house-a first leg up for many working class people.


Speaking of naughty Tories good to see Gove owning up to his Cocaine taking just before it came out in book.

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08 Jun 2019 16:14 #665 by Laffy
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I’m pleased he’s admitted coke-rules this wet fish out of the running.A modern day Macbeth.

Selling off council houses was a masterstroke-it gave many families a lever to move up the ladder.Bill Clinton had the same idea in Africa-give the locals something tangible to lever.

Problem with the council house sell off was it wasn’t followed up with more stock.
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Today 10:36 #666 by thesilentone
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So, a question for the investors and Unions. The Royal Mail Group which has a historical Union influence which has negotiated "the best terms and conditions in the UK delivery industry.”

However, unlike TfL has no monopoly, therefore the competition is tearing them apart on price. This has seen the profits collapse and share price almost half.

With 145,000 workers, this is a big problem, and raises a question over its future.

If you were CEO, what would you do to arrest this serious problem ?

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Today 16:11 #667 by Flatcap
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The Royal Mail guarantees to deliver letters to every household in this country. No other firm does.

If you were a really hard nosed CEO you would stop this.

Imagine the outcry.

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Today 16:23 - Today 16:25 #668 by thesilentone
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No future there, as we all go paperless and everything getting done on-line.

Don't think that would help the share value or secure jobs.

The future is on-line sales and parcel delivery (something the PO should have recognised years ago), the PO simply can't compete as the cost base is to high.
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Today 16:41 #669 by Laffy
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In the old days, the Royal Mail had a monopoly and grew lazy and fat.Its now a lot leaner but so is the competition. 99 times out of a hundred, most people would say price is the driver for parcels and letters, which means the underlying cost base is vulnerable and exposed to margin pressure.

It needs to cut the number of services it offers and focus on those where it can compete.Not easy with unionised workers and gold plated pensions.

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