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11 Sep 2019 21:11 #51 by Mullen103
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This guy seriously needs to improve if he is going to have a professional career - even at English tier 4 level.

He looks bloody useless so far - let hope he is just unfit and finds it quick.

At least we’re not Stockport
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11 Sep 2019 21:21 - 11 Sep 2019 21:25 #52 by CCU
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He’s been doing extra finishing training tonight from his Instagram story. Him and Tom Allen (Another NUFC youngster) on a park in Newcastle by the looks of it...

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12 Sep 2019 07:38 #53 by 182blue
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I watched the YouTube clip of him scoring goals for Newcastle.
90% of them were neatly taken finishes from close range , noticeable though that in some cases he was barely challenged for the ball.
I suppose being optimistic, he is maybe one of those players who is just an out and out striker and offers little else to the team. That is the best I can say about him.
The way we play, that is a luxury we can’t really afford and I would only see him being more effective if we go more direct and perhaps play him alongside Loft.
It’s a funny one with strikers because over the years , there have been plenty of strikers who look to be nothing special but have the knack of getting on the end of things and taking a good ratio of chances.
He certainly doesn’t look like the type of striker , to me, that would be effective out wide, or as a lone striker. He is not going to be a creative spark or someone who stands out ability wise.
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12 Sep 2019 08:25 - 12 Sep 2019 08:27 #54 by nobbyblue
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I think a couple of months playing for Workington might do him a power of good.

He'd get a load of goals and quite a few kicks from some hairy arsed builders playing for Pontefract Collieries and the like. Might give him an insight into the real world.
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12 Sep 2019 08:40 #55 by lummy8
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He is known at NUFC as being a clinical finisher around the penalty spot/6 yd box. The way we play, he will never really fit into that, he needs by line crosses and another forward near him, which he has never had.

He may not be ready for first team football or even good enough, but it would be nice to see teams play to the players strengths rather than put them into positions they are not comfortable with.

Bridge said in an interview he was a number 10, as did Scougall, Bridge may have now said he prefers the 8 or 6 as SP has said. But an 8 in a 3 man midfield does not really exist for me, as the players either side of Jones have to cover ground at times getting out to full backs (as a midfielder myself this role is torture, known as the graveyard shift!), well that is what has happened this season. An 8 is Sowerby, middle of the field, up and down, getting on the ball in his half and their half, tackling and shooting.

Granted the game has changed in the last ten years, but we seen last year with Lincoln and even ourselves, when we had a proper 2 in midfield, we dominated through strength first, then played when we won that battle.
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12 Sep 2019 09:08 #56 by pacirv
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Elvis made out that he was worth waiting for and would get 20+ goals, that looks highly unlikely. We would have been better off getting a more experienced striker in after all he is a 19 year old kid with no experience of playing regular games at a competitive level.

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12 Sep 2019 09:19 #57 by ROOSTER
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Seems like Blackpool seen he wasn't up to league football yet...

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12 Sep 2019 10:28 #58 by lummy8
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pacirv wrote: Elvis made out that he was worth waiting for and would get 20+ goals, that looks highly unlikely. We would have been better off getting a more experienced striker in after all he is a 19 year old kid with no experience of playing regular games at a competitive level.


He is not the 20 goal player SP was waiting for, that lad decided not to come.
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12 Sep 2019 13:11 #59 by munchymagic
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We would have been better off keeping Bennett another season than having Sorensen and Loft - seriously, he already has more goals than those two put together this season.
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12 Sep 2019 13:32 - 12 Sep 2019 13:32 #60 by Mullen103
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lummy8 wrote:

pacirv wrote: Elvis made out that he was worth waiting for and would get 20+ goals, that looks highly unlikely. We would have been better off getting a more experienced striker in after all he is a 19 year old kid with no experience of playing regular games at a competitive level.


He is not the 20 goal player SP was waiting for, that lad decided not to come.


Agree, but the way the club, Holdsworth/Pressley et al spun it, it made you think this was the 20 goal striker they were talking about earlier, so hence the confusion.

At least we’re not Stockport
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12 Sep 2019 13:42 #61 by Waltero
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Taking us for mugs yet again Richard, nothing changes
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12 Sep 2019 13:51 #62 by Markovitch
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Watching him get the ball to feet and spin away from scunthorpes defence I think sorenson will be good if used properly. But what chances of that

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12 Sep 2019 14:14 #63 by lummy8
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I know at times he may not have helped himself, but I agree Marko, he got the ball twice at Scunthorpe to feet and as you say spun from two defenders. The second time he put in a ball across the box which was a certain goal for us if we had got up with play, or a defender would have put it in their own goal on another day, they panicked and just left it not knowing who was next to them!

Time will tell with him, but by all accounts his best work comes in a 2 up front and in the box.
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13 Sep 2019 15:33 #64 by Oldbolt
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lummy8 wrote: I know at times he may not have helped himself, but I agree Marko, he got the ball twice at Scunthorpe to feet and as you say spun from two defenders. The second time he put in a ball across the box which was a certain goal for us if we had got up with play, or a defender would have put it in their own goal on another day, they panicked and just left it not knowing who was next to them!

Time will tell with him, but by all accounts his best work comes in a 2 up front and in the box.


But as we know Lummy, Pressley doesnt believe in playing 2 up front

Whether it's just stubbornness, or a complete lack of a plan B - either way it WILL cost him his job

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13 Sep 2019 15:36 - 13 Sep 2019 15:37 #65 by Markovitch
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Aren't we playing 3 up front? They've all looked good in flashes. I just get the impression he's going to play the system come hell or high water. Maybe if he looked at the skills of the players a different way would work better?
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13 Sep 2019 16:16 #66 by Waltero
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Just like Abbott, stubborn, thinks the fans know nothing about football and should just keep watching sh1t
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13 Sep 2019 20:24 #67 by Seekaye
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All our players are 4-3-3 players. McKirdy and Thomas can’t play in a 4-4-2 so I don’t know why everyone wants to play that formation

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13 Sep 2019 20:37 #68 by lummy8
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Seekaye wrote: All our players are 4-3-3 players. McKirdy and Thomas can’t play in a 4-4-2 so I don’t know why everyone wants to play that formation


How can’t they?
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13 Sep 2019 20:44 #69 by Talisman
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lummy8 wrote:

Seekaye wrote: All our players are 4-3-3 players. McKirdy and Thomas can’t play in a 4-4-2 so I don’t know why everyone wants to play that formation


How can’t they?


Quite. How do we know they can't, other than by what Elvis is telling us? None of us has seen anything to the contrary yet. As I've said on another thread, let's see it tried out with Thomas on the left, McKirdy on the right, Fela and Sorensen up front and we'll see how it works. If it doesn't, fair [censored], at least it will show we had a plan B, more than we've got at the moment.

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13 Sep 2019 20:46 #70 by pigeonpete
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Any professional footballer should be able to play in any system because football is a simple game......You pass the ball to someone wearing the same colour shirt as yourself and then put the ball in the net at the opposite end of the pitch to your own goalkeeper.
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13 Sep 2019 20:49 - 13 Sep 2019 20:50 #71 by nobbyblue
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We could play:
McKirdy Jones Sagaf Thomas
Omolola with Hope/Sorensen/Loft
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13 Sep 2019 21:20 #72 by nobbyblue
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I dont want to be too harsh on the fella but Pressley's tactics are on the whole shite.

When you see them on a Saturday you wonder what they've been doing all week in training.
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13 Sep 2019 22:22 #73 by Bluedazblue
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Waltero wrote: Just like Abbott, stubborn, thinks the fans know nothing about football and should just keep watching sh1t


Abbott kept us in L1 for years even if the football wasn't great.

And at least he could identify a good player. As I remember he wanted to sign Arter, but he didn't want to move north. He even tried to sign Snodgrass at one point.

That is a million miles away from what we have now, where the policy seems to be signing players that no-one else wants, promising youngsters or lower league 'projects'.

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13 Sep 2019 22:45 - 13 Sep 2019 22:59 #74 by musher441
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Give me Abbott's football any day over this tripe.
Give me Tim Krul, Simek, Livesey Murphy, Ian Harte, Lubo, James Chester, Tavernier, Matty Robson, Ben Marshall, Adam Clayton, Oliver Norwood.
JP McGovern, Taiwo, Miller, Zoko
Pericard, Madine.
Give me away wins at Hillsboro, and MK Dons, days out at Wembley,beating Southampton, Charlton, Sheffield United, Norwich, Huddersfield.
Give me steady seasons in League one.
It all went bad later on yes, but God, we are a million miles from those days now.
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13 Sep 2019 23:02 #75 by bruntonpete
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What the general sham of three efl trophy shows is that the English under 23s are not as good as league 2 cloggers in the main.
This is clouded by numerous overage players and foreign imports but being a great prospect is one thing but being ready for the mans game is another. There are exceptions of course but they are rare. We are a few seasons into this shambles of a competition but these premier league glory kids are yet to leave a mark (thank God).
Sorensen might well be a clinical forward with great potential but we took a gamble and lost. He isn't ready. He isn't strong enough. He isn't brave enough. He isn't a good fit.
Good luck to the lad but I fear we have lost out on this striker position. Please prove me wrong.
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13 Sep 2019 23:12 #76 by Seekaye
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Talisman wrote:

lummy8 wrote:

Seekaye wrote: All our players are 4-3-3 players. McKirdy and Thomas can’t play in a 4-4-2 so I don’t know why everyone wants to play that formation


How can’t they?


Quite. How do we know they can't, other than by what Elvis is telling us? None of us has seen anything to the contrary yet. As I've said on another thread, let's see it tried out with Thomas on the left, McKirdy on the right, Fela and Sorensen up front and we'll see how it works. If it doesn't, fair [censored], at least it will show we had a plan B, more than we've got at the moment.


Yes, agree with all this. I was just quoting the manager from his bizarre interview last Saturday.

If people are pining after Abbot then things must be really bad

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13 Sep 2019 23:18 #77 by Mush
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Abbott was a blagger who got found out in the end.

The biggest problem is with the Custodians and Day, they've put us in the position we are in, poor players brought in on the cheap. You get what you pay for!
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13 Sep 2019 23:24 #78 by musher441
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Seekaye wrote:

Talisman wrote:

lummy8 wrote:

Seekaye wrote: All our players are 4-3-3 players. McKirdy and Thomas can’t play in a 4-4-2 so I don’t know why everyone wants to play that formation


How can’t they?


Quite. How do we know they can't, other than by what Elvis is telling us? None of us has seen anything to the contrary yet. As I've said on another thread, let's see it tried out with Thomas on the left, McKirdy on the right, Fela and Sorensen up front and we'll see how it works. If it doesn't, fair [censored], at least it will show we had a plan B, more than we've got at the moment.


Yes, agree with all this. I was just quoting the manager from his bizarre interview last Saturday.

If people are pining after Abbot then things must be really bad


Things are bad mate. And I fear will only get worse.

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13 Sep 2019 23:31 #79 by Taffy-P
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Bluedazblue wrote:

Waltero wrote: Just like Abbott, stubborn, thinks the fans know nothing about football and should just keep watching sh1t


Abbott kept us in L1 for years even if the football wasn't great.

And at least he could identify a good player. As I remember he wanted to sign Arter, but he didn't want to move north. He even tried to sign Snodgrass at one point.

That is a million miles away from what we have now, where the policy seems to be signing players that no-one else wants, promising youngsters or lower league 'projects'.

my understanding was Snodgrass was very close to signing James Chester would have signed but Man U wanted £300 k Hull paid that The other one that got away Stephen Dobbie We couldn’t get anywhere near the personal terms offered by Swansea

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14 Sep 2019 08:46 #80 by Lakelandterrier
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lummy8 wrote: I know at times he may not have helped himself, but I agree Marko, he got the ball twice at Scunthorpe to feet and as you say spun from two defenders. The second time he put in a ball across the box which was a certain goal for us if we had got up with play, or a defender would have put it in their own goal on another day, they panicked and just left it not knowing who was next to them!

Time will tell with him, but by all accounts his best work comes in a 2 up front and in the box.



I have said for a while we should be playing 442.

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14 Sep 2019 08:49 #81 by CarlisleWhite
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lummy8 wrote:

Seekaye wrote: All our players are 4-3-3 players. McKirdy and Thomas can’t play in a 4-4-2 so I don’t know why everyone wants to play that formation


How can’t they?

Lummy - would you not say that this pressing game that SP keeps taking about needs the 3 high energy players behind the striker/s, so makes 442 or 433 a bit irrelevant as not sure pressing works with the older style formations. As the defence is so gash and needs extra protection, would have though only 4231 would worjk wih what he wats to do.
How come he has not tried that?
Or should he stop trying to kid everyone about this pressing game he fantasises about.
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14 Sep 2019 08:54 #82 by CarlisleWhite
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bruntonpete wrote: What the general sham of three efl trophy shows is that the English under 23s are not as good as league 2 cloggers in the main.
This is clouded by numerous overage players and foreign imports but being a great prospect is one thing but being ready for the mans game is another. There are exceptions of course but they are rare. We are a few seasons into this shambles of a competition but these premier league glory kids are yet to leave a mark (thank God).
Sorensen might well be a clinical forward with great potential but we took a gamble and lost. He isn't ready. He isn't strong enough. He isn't brave enough. He isn't a good fit.
Good luck to the lad but I fear we have lost out on this striker position. Please prove me wrong.

Pete - strongly disagree with this. The u-23 system works well for most teams, as does the loan system. It is just DH keeps picking the wrong players. Might be true that a ceratin type of player needs to be selected for L2 football, but don't forget a lot of the players that get released end up in L2 and can ofetn go on to have good careers.
If Lummy can see that Sorensen needs to play in a certain type of system, why cannot DH when he signed him. How we can end up with a highly rated premier player and he cannot get in the team because he is not suited to the team baffles me.

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14 Sep 2019 08:58 - 14 Sep 2019 09:02 #83 by lummy8
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In any formation you can be a high pressing team,it’s all about where you position your players when they have a goal kick or their keeper has the ball.

The players need to know what the trigger is,and be fit enough to carry it all out.

Under Simmo/Ward, granted more teams play out from the back now, we encouraged the first pass or throw.So we would back off,look disinterested,they would make the pass and bang we set off,forward nearest to the ball,midfielder back up,winger to the side,and smother them.

When we won league 2 we were basically a 4-3-3, under Ward a 4-3-3.

Yeah,I’m hearing a lot about an aggressive,high pressing football team this season,can only really think of one game I’ve seen it.

Regarding Sorenson,this is a real test for player and manager,does SP abandon his philosophy to try and get the best out of him,AND is Sorenson actually ready for this type of football.

The passing stats mentioned in another thread are a bit of a nonsense to me.

How many of them passes were actually forward.Jones fair enough as he still has to keep it in midfield.
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14 Sep 2019 10:46 #84 by CarlisleWhite
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On the passing stats, you are right - the Leeds keeper regularly has more touches than the other side combined!

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14 Sep 2019 17:27 #85 by Wukkie
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Abbott could spot a player alright. Made the club load os money on Nakhi Wells, Paddy Madden, Rory Loy etc who all came in as strikers and all ended up playing on the wing.

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14 Sep 2019 17:31 #86 by crunchblue
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Did Nakhi Wells play on the wing under Abbott? I can’t remember him even playing.

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14 Sep 2019 18:15 - 14 Sep 2019 18:16 #87 by CCU
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crunchblue wrote: Did Nakhi Wells play on the wing under Abbott? I can’t remember him even playing.


Made 3 appearances, all from the bench, for a total of 27mins (One was in the 89th Min when 6-0 down at Peterborough!)...

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14 Sep 2019 19:15 #88 by Mush
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Good old Greg..

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18 Sep 2019 15:06 #90 by Tom
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They have a loan manager?

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18 Sep 2019 16:36 #91 by CCU
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Tom wrote: They have a loan manager?


Becoming a thing at the PL Clubs as they have so many out on Loan...

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Tom wrote: They have a loan manager?


We've got a loan ranger..

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18 Sep 2019 17:07 #93 by Markovitch
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A lonely goatherd

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18 Sep 2019 20:20 #94 by Arragorn
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Send him back & save the cash. Must be someone out there out of contract who could do a better job
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18 Sep 2019 21:07 #95 by Oldbolt
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Watched him doing shooting practice with the other strikers in the warm up last night

He was absolutely shocking - barely got one on target. Air shots, scuffed shots, ones that ballooned over the bar and miles wide.

Didn’t even look like a footballer tbh
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18 Sep 2019 21:10 #96 by Oldbolt
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Says a lot that we’ve brought in 2 young strikers from premiership clubs, but they are being kept out of the team by a player deemed surplus to requirements by Scunny

Saying that - I thought he was poor last night - not mobile at all. Looked like he was carrying a knock to me

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19 Sep 2019 08:10 #97 by nobbyblue
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19 Sep 2019 11:53 - 19 Sep 2019 11:53 #98 by HuntingHorn
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Comedy stuff from the barcodes...reading the chronicle and facebook pages you'd think they'd loaned out Patrick Kluivert to us.
Barcodes demanding he's returned because he should be in their first team!!!
Obvious that 99% of them haven't seen the lad play other than his highlights reel on YouTube.

Even more comedy that their "Loan Manager" is Shola Ameobi...there's something amusing about the 'Dalmatian in Slippers' being the one who decides what's best for they up and coming lads...blind leading the blind springs to mind.

It's better to be silent and assumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
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19 Sep 2019 22:12 #99 by Flatcap
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It's getting a bit farcical when Premier League clubs have loan managers.

Are they unable to look after their own players within their own club structure rather than loan them out to other teams?

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19 Sep 2019 23:02 #100 by Bluedazblue
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Flatcap wrote: It's getting a bit farcical when Premier League clubs have loan managers.

Are they unable to look after their own players within their own club structure rather than loan them out to other teams?


Yes.

They want to hang on to what they think are potentially good players, but there comes a point when they know they'll never improve without first team football.

And judging by the quality of many of our Premier League loan players, these big clubs are no better at identifying talent than we are. In fact often they're worse.

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