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08 Oct 2019 08:25 #1 by Laffy

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08 Oct 2019 08:59 #2 by seesaw50
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All the usual suspects, the hipsters and unemployable career protesters disrupting other folks lives ....I feel sorry for the taxi drivers of London, and their fares, in all this. I was unlucky enough to be in London a few years back when a march was taking place, the route we had to take to get from Victoria Station to Euston was ridiculous.....and cost £48 instead of around £18.
They're doing it for 2 weeks apparently as well .....not saying the cause isn't just btw but obstruction of the highway isn't on to this extent

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08 Oct 2019 09:12 #3 by Waltero
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Shame we don't use the water cannon, that would shift them. Do they not realise that by causing traffic jams they are adding to air pollution not forgetting the generators they're using. Hypocrites the lot of them.

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08 Oct 2019 09:22 #4 by seesaw50
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What the ones that Boris bought rom the Germans then found out they couldnt be used and had to be scrapped

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08 Oct 2019 09:22 - 08 Oct 2019 09:22 #5 by CCU
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Decent hard working Meat Traders losing a days worth of trade now...


Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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08 Oct 2019 09:24 #6 by Markovitch
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Shame we don't just [censored] kill everything!!
Posts about people walking across hills admiring (quite rightly) deer and birds then back to the Daily Express world where oil and weapons manufacturers are all that matters. I'm coming 60 but I want my grand kids to live in a world that isn't full of shit. This idea that hoping that a bunch of rich old white guys are going to make everything better needs to be knocked on the head. Stephen Hawking said man would be extinct by 2100, looking like he could be right, but we're going to take everything else with us

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/science-environment-49892209
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08 Oct 2019 09:27 #7 by Waltero
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I always thought they were a British invention. If the mayor of London got his act together he could bring out some sort of emergency act banning this type of mob action. But the snowflakes would be screaming " that's not fair"

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08 Oct 2019 09:47 #8 by Dancingbear
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The hard working tube drivers wont be getting a "beaucoup" day off and will no doubt be keeping the City moving.

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08 Oct 2019 09:49 #9 by orfc
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CCU wrote: Decent hard working Meat Traders losing a days worth of trade now...


Vegetable rights and peace
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08 Oct 2019 09:53 #10 by carwash
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Waltero wrote: I always thought they were a British invention. If the mayor of London got his act together he could bring out some sort of emergency act banning this type of mob action. But the snowflakes would be screaming " that's not fair"


You'll wait a long time expecting the Mayor of London to get his act together. His nickname is Khan't because he is so ineffective. No wonder no-hoper Rory Stewart thinks he has a good chance in the next London election.

I think many of these soft liberals who are joining the XR protests regard it as their Greenham Common where they can look back in 30 years and say yes I was there, I got arrested.

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08 Oct 2019 10:32 #11 by Dancingbear
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orfc wrote:

CCU wrote: Decent hard working Meat Traders losing a days worth of trade now...


Vegetable rights and peace


Socks arent vegetables man they should be wiped out.

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08 Oct 2019 10:35 #12 by Laffy
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I think a grown man with kids wriggling around on the ground crying in the name of the planet says an awful lot about the state of Britain Marko.

Why doesn’t he try China or India where there are millions scratching around for food whilst they destroy their environment?Because they would be imprisoned or executed for dissent.

Let’s hope they find out who this cretin is and get him some medication
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08 Oct 2019 10:45 #13 by nobbyblue
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If I was taxi driver in London I would just run them over if they got in my way and take the consequences.

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08 Oct 2019 10:49 #14 by thesilentone
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carwash wrote:

Waltero wrote: I always thought they were a British invention. If the mayor of London got his act together he could bring out some sort of emergency act banning this type of mob action. But the snowflakes would be screaming " that's not fair"


You'll wait a long time expecting the Mayor of London to get his act together. His nickname is Khan't because he is so ineffective. No wonder no-hoper Rory Stewart thinks he has a good chance in the next London election.

I think many of these soft liberals who are joining the XR protests regard it as their Greenham Common where they can look back in 30 years and say yes I was there, I got arrested.



Khan won't be Mayor for much longer the Tube Drivers will make sure of that. His left wing Socialist attitude means they have to be seen to support him, less days lost from strikes during his tenure than when Boris was mayor, and that will not do. Rock on Rory will walk it, he has all the credentials a private educated old Etonian with plummy speech and a Tory who believes you have to work for what you get. A Tube drivers dream.
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08 Oct 2019 10:52 #15 by melbourneblues
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nobbyblue wrote: If I was taxi driver in London I would just run them over if they got in my way and take the consequences.


Just as well your cab is in Carlisle then nobby.

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08 Oct 2019 11:20 #16 by ParcelPete
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I'm surprised they have the energy to protest after walking or cycling to London from all over the UK.
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08 Oct 2019 12:12 #17 by seesaw50
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orfc wrote:

CCU wrote: Decent hard working Meat Traders losing a days worth of trade now...


Vegetable rights and peace


Seriously
Yeah eat less meat ..just back from Italy hardly ate any meat all week....fish and vegetables...guess what felt better for it

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08 Oct 2019 12:28 #18 by melbourneblues
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And the moral of the story is?

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08 Oct 2019 12:32 #19 by Laffy
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I stopped eating meat 7 months ago-just fish now.Feel much stronger.Dont miss it to be honest

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08 Oct 2019 12:35 #20 by Dancingbear
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Some of us can only afford turkey dinosaurs and maybe the odd pack of crabsticks though.

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08 Oct 2019 13:15 #21 by ParcelPete
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Treat myself to the odd Porterhouse steak every once in a while,otherwise i make do with Caviar and Lobster.
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08 Oct 2019 13:16 #22 by Mullen103
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You can't beat a big fat Cumberland sausage inside you.

At least we’re not Stockport
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08 Oct 2019 13:28 #23 by Waltero
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You'd never get oral sex off a vegan woman as they won't put any meat in their mouths

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08 Oct 2019 14:49 #24 by thesilentone
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Cumbrian and not eating meat, is like being Korean and not eating dog !!
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08 Oct 2019 15:56 #25 by orfc
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Mullen103 wrote: You can't beat a big fat Cumberland sausage inside you.


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08 Oct 2019 16:03 #26 by Waltero
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I think that Richard should have given some thought before his post, I'm surprised it took so long for the comments to start

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08 Oct 2019 16:20 #27 by Markovitch
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Waltero wrote: You'd never get oral sex off a vegan woman as they won't put any meat in their mouths


Won't put dead meat in their mouths Walt.
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08 Oct 2019 17:04 #28 by Dancingbear
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Waltero wrote: I think that Richard should have given some thought before his post, I'm surprised it took so long for the comments to start


I think he knew full well what he was saying ;) Like the woman who said she likes a bit of pork in cider.

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08 Oct 2019 17:25 - 08 Oct 2019 17:26 #29 by Alan
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As a counter protest I'm having a mixed grill for tea and have the car and my van ticking over on the front.

Eat shit kunto's




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You [censored] Turkeys.
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08 Oct 2019 17:32 - 08 Oct 2019 17:47 #30 by Kessler
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I don't think there's much point in addressing environmental concerns unless we also address the flaws in capitalism that contribute to it. As long as businesses are greedy and more concerned about making a profit than anything else, the environment will always come second.
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08 Oct 2019 19:29 #31 by Laffy
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Get yourself down to London with Swampy Kessler-you sound like an ideal disciple for his cause.Have a pizza at Pizza Express before it implodes-naughty capitalists.
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08 Oct 2019 20:05 - 08 Oct 2019 20:07 #32 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: Get yourself down to London with Swampy Kessler-you sound like an ideal disciple for his cause.Have a pizza at Pizza Express before it implodes-naughty capitalists.


Oh I'm sorry Laffy, I thought you said you didn't like greed?
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08 Oct 2019 20:34 #33 by thetashkentterror
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I always love it when people say they don't eat meat and only eat fish as if that somehow makes them more green and environmentally friendly.

Fish are killed in probably the least humane way of any creature we eat, and the seabeds and sea population have been absolutely destroyed by excessive industrial trawling.
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08 Oct 2019 20:44 #34 by Tom
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I am fish only with the occasional steak. So neither. However, fish farms are creating very concentrated levels of poo which affect the oceans but buying wild is very expensive.

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08 Oct 2019 20:46 #35 by Alan
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Thank God we don't have such a thing as major terrorist threats in our country seeing as Police resources are already being stretched my these scruffy [censored].




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08 Oct 2019 22:34 #36 by Bluedazblue
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Kessler wrote: I don't think there's much point in addressing environmental concerns unless we also address the flaws in capitalism that contribute to it. As long as businesses are greedy and more concerned about making a profit than anything else, the environment will always come second.


As I understand it company directors are mandated to return maximum shareholder value, unless it's a not for profit organisation.

At a small scale level I used to work with small businesses, plumbers, gardeners, authors, even people who made and sold jam and chutney etc, etc. I never met anyone whose aim wasn't to maximise profit. It's the main objective whenever people go into business. To relegate the profit motive from business would basically shut down the economy. The alternative would be something like the USSR or present day Venezuela.
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08 Oct 2019 23:13 - 08 Oct 2019 23:34 #37 by Kessler
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Bluedazblue wrote: At a small scale level I used to work with small businesses, plumbers, gardeners, authors, even people who made and sold jam and chutney etc, etc. I never met anyone whose aim wasn't to maximise profit. It's the main objective whenever people go into business.


I just don't understand how anyone can justify businesses wanting to make more money, but somehow the government is wrong for doing the same thing.
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08 Oct 2019 23:42 #38 by Bluedazblue
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Kessler wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote: At a small scale level I used to work with small businesses, plumbers, gardeners, authors, even people who made and sold jam and chutney etc, etc. I never met anyone whose aim wasn't to maximise profit. It's the main objective whenever people go into business.


Do you consider any of those businesses "greedy" for wanting to take in more money? If not, then why is the govenment greedy for wanting to do exactly the same? Either wanting to take money from people is greedy, or it's not.


Whether I think that those businesses are greedy or not, is neither here nor there. Maybe they are. My opinion doesn't matter. It's a fact.

As far as the government is concerned, any government, it has the choice of taking more money from people and businesses (via tax) to implement its policies, or to borrow the money and let future generations pay back the money and interest.

In twenty-eight years I literally never came across one business or individual who turned down a tax refund or volunteered to pay more tax than necessary. Sorry if that's unreasonable on their part, but that's the way it is.

If you want to reduce your business profit, or your take home pay voluntarily and pay more tax in the process, then you're first one I've ever come across.

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08 Oct 2019 23:57 #39 by Laffy
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Brilliant analysis-it’s amazing how socialists become capitalists when they have their own money at stake

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09 Oct 2019 02:05 - 09 Oct 2019 02:12 #40 by Kessler
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Laffy I still don't understand why you call Corbyn's policies "greedy". Greed usually refers to a selfish desire for stuff. Corbyn wouldn't spend those taxes on himself, he would put that money into helping lower earners and on improving public services like the NHS. He wouldn't personally profit from that money at all. So why do you describe his policies as being selfish, when that's clearly not true?
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09 Oct 2019 06:42 #41 by Markovitch
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What I don't understand is why our fascist friends keep going on about Venezuela. Venezuela has been excluded from the dollar clearing system so it can't get the cash for its oil exports. Venezuela has billions in London but Johnson and Co won't release it. The problems in Venezuela are because of economic war, before the imposition of sanctions growth was much faster than in Britain.
We're now seeing similar in Ecuador. In return for expelling Assange Ecuador was granted 4.2bn in loans. But the loans came with strings. Those strings have now resulted in austerity, mass redundancies and 173% increase in fuel prices. Needless to say British state controlled media isn't reporting the hundreds of thousands of protesters on the street

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09 Oct 2019 07:52 #42 by Laffy
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Kessler-Corbyn preaches envy, an extension of greed. The natural target is the perceived rich-he doesn’t discriminate between earned wealth and inherited, and makes this accessible by making making wealthy people charlatans.

There is nothing wrong with greed in the right context-greed for knowledge, to better things for all.

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09 Oct 2019 07:56 #43 by Laffy
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Have a read of this by Caitlin Moran Kessler-it’s a brilliant piece of writing
www.bookcrossing.com/forum/6/516499/8435054 ?

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09 Oct 2019 08:51 #44 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: Kessler-Corbyn preaches envy, an extension of greed. The natural target is the perceived rich-he doesn’t discriminate between earned wealth and inherited, and makes this accessible by making making wealthy people charlatans.


Envy implies that the wealthy have more of a right to their wealth than others. But if they only made that wealth from profiting off the hard work of others, then all that's happening with higher taxation is the working class asking for money which is rightfully theirs anyway. If someone takes my wallet, am I "greedy" for wanting them to give that money back?
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09 Oct 2019 08:59 #45 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: There is nothing wrong with greed in the right context-greed for knowledge, to better things for all.


On some level I think we agree. I think it's ok to want to make a profit, but that we should draw a line somewhere. A maximum wage or a limit on what you can earn, and anything over that can be invested into improving public services and helping those on lower incomes.

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09 Oct 2019 09:37 #46 by Laffy
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I can assure you Kessler that there is a tipping point where taxation/redistribution deters risk and associated reward.Finding the balance is the key.Taxing reward and success at penal rates is madness-I would be happy with a different rate of tax for investment income as this would encourage more investment

The government thought putting up stamp duty would collect more tax-the reality is it has had the opposite effect.

Likewise, quantitive easing was supposed to stave off recession and thus protect the less wealthy-it has actually had the opposite effect and the inequality gap has widened.It was actually closing until this was introduced.

I think the best solution is to raise tax thresholds to take more at the bottom of the ladder out of tax-and let them decide how they, rather than the government, spend it.

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09 Oct 2019 11:43 #47 by ExiledJock
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When you take people out of tax you break the sense of connection with services and sense of personal investment.

Why do so many people take the NHS for granted? Because it's 'free' and therefore of little value. When you aren't contributing to the upkeep of our roads and infrastructure, what right have you to complain?

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09 Oct 2019 11:56 #48 by Laffy
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I’m very much in favour of a living basic income and I think at lower levels, having a roof and putting food on the table is more important than the connection between tax and responsibility

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09 Oct 2019 12:14 #49 by triskelionblue
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Who is going to rebel when they are all extinct?

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09 Oct 2019 12:46 - 09 Oct 2019 12:48 #50 by sirjimmyglass
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Looking forward to digging this thread back up when Brexit gets cancelled and the 'scruffy [censored]' protesting are those who are complaining at this.
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