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17 Nov 2019 17:20 #101 by Dazwacky
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Carlisle does have a fantastic fan base to exploit! But you need people in place to deliver it, I ain't been for years get offered tickets in the lounges etc but I'm done with the present regime not interested at all with lining there pockets! The fans are far bigger than the owners and if you put the right people in charge with ambition the fans will come back, I can remember Wigan 2k fans they are averaging 9 plus and we are bigger and better!
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17 Nov 2019 18:01 #102 by mattcufc
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There is a large fan base I just can’t see thousands turning up regular because of the change of ownership. Maybe initially but it will take more for them to return.
Wigan is the opposite they were crap had crap ground crap attendances and a crap town in a different era. New investment, new ground alongside the rugby helped to build the football club and they have managed to keep 9000 from the 20,000 they had in Premier league times.

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17 Nov 2019 18:06 #103 by paddockite
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mattcufc wrote: There is a large fan base I just can’t see thousands turning up regular because of the change of ownership. Maybe initially but it will take more for them to return.
Wigan is the opposite they were crap had crap ground crap attendances and a crap town in a different era. New investment, new ground alongside the rugby helped to build the football club and they have managed to keep 9000 from the 20,000 they had in Premier league times.


I think youd see a few hundred turn up with new ownership, maybe 300 or 400 initially, then if there was a upturn in results and things off the pitch that would go up to around 1000 in time. Home fans wise, we should be getting 5000 - 5500 on Saturdays. Obviously if we were in League One, that plus some large away attendances would then see regular 6000+ attendances, which is what we were getting 10 years ago.

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17 Nov 2019 18:48 #104 by Laffy
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I think a new BP would take the attendances to another level-10000 seater with ability to increase with nice facilities and surrounding commercial stuff.Follow the Workington model which was rejected-the only way to fund it in my opinion.Opportunity of a lifetime.

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17 Nov 2019 19:02 #105 by aberdeenblue28
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Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away

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17 Nov 2019 19:06 #106 by Bruntonpasty
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here we go again............

They don't like it up 'em!

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17 Nov 2019 19:19 #107 by thetashkentterror
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The only thing that would concern me about Stephen Skinner is that he didn't seem too bothered about Carlisle United when he was trying to make Celtic Nation a large rival club in the city.

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17 Nov 2019 19:37 - 17 Nov 2019 19:44 #108 by Happyblue
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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away

The issue with Developing Brunton park is the events of 2005/2015. Development on the site would firstly be difficult because of planning regulations and also what impact would that have on the area , You prevent Brunton park from flooding the lowest point in the city then you risk the house of local residents.

I now expect the usual comments about doubling the depth the Eden and the width , Even though i've explained that based on the distance to the solway then the % incline that it's impossible. Also wouldn't work as we're still unable to deal with the problem of the water table .

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17 Nov 2019 19:40 #109 by aberdeenblue28
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Yes I know but it wouldn’t be a problem if we had decent flood defences

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17 Nov 2019 19:43 #110 by Bruntonpasty
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I did warn you............

They don't like it up 'em!
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17 Nov 2019 20:00 - 17 Nov 2019 20:05 #111 by Happyblue
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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Yes I know but it wouldn’t be a problem if we had decent flood defences

Actually Brunton park is just above the water table so decent defences don't really help it that much.
We can build the stadium on stilts but that's very expensive and may risk the flooding of more homes
Did you know when they built the original defense after 1968 they thought they would defend the city for hundred of years they lasted 47 years ,after 2005 the 33m defences would prevent the once in 1000 year event happening again, in 2015.....

The issue is we will always keep reacting as flooding is getting worse and worse, Maybe we can move non residential structures from flood plains we can give people a bit of a relief from problem.

Lastly does it look like the government is going to fund decent flood defense ? No after 2015 we we giving around £20 million, Which is F all.

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17 Nov 2019 20:01 #112 by paddockite
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Laffy wrote: I think a new BP would take the attendances to another level-10000 seater with ability to increase with nice facilities and surrounding commercial stuff.Follow the Workington model which was rejected-the only way to fund it in my opinion.Opportunity of a lifetime.


Personally I don't think 10k is enough when you factor in away fans, and hopefully being in the divisions above.

10k certainly wouldn't have been enough on a number of occasions between 2004 and 2010.

12k perfectly acceptable with option to expand.

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17 Nov 2019 20:06 #113 by Happyblue
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Also 10k is nothing ,12k min with the possible to double that over time .

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17 Nov 2019 20:06 #114 by Laffy
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Depends where you aspire to go-only 4 teams average above 10k in the first division.Championship is another level-north of 15k

Average cost of a seat to build will be around £2k, probably higher

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17 Nov 2019 20:09 #115 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: Depends where you aspire to go-only 4 teams average above 10k in the first division.Championship is another level-north of 15k

Average cost of a seat to build will be around £2k, probably higher


That's not a seat. It's a throne.

Have you tried IKEA?

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17 Nov 2019 20:10 #116 by Happyblue
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We really are [censored] aren't we , We can afford a new stadium as the costs will be ridiculous , we can't afford to stay as the costs to maintain the stadium are too much and We can generate ant revenue

Owners like the stadium, full of Sh!T

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17 Nov 2019 20:23 - 17 Nov 2019 20:24 #117 by paddockite
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Laffy wrote: Depends where you aspire to go-only 4 teams average above 10k in the first division.Championship is another level-north of 15k

Average cost of a seat to build will be around £2k, probably higher


Just off a quick scan through, from 2004 - 2007 we got 10k+ 9 times, with a load of 8k and 9k crowds, then theres Everton, MK, and Spurs since off the top of my head, they'll be more if I looked thoroughly.

Always said that 10k is not enough if you're in League One and when you factor in away fans. 12k is the perfect amount really.
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17 Nov 2019 20:29 #118 by lummy8
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2004-2008 Great times
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17 Nov 2019 20:31 #119 by paddockite
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lummy8 wrote: 2004-2008 Great times


They'll be back Chris!

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17 Nov 2019 20:38 #120 by Laffy
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I was involved with the Stadium of Light build when I was at PWC-John Fickling was the CEO at Sunderland and a good mate.Chris will remember him.Anyway, I can remember the dialogue with the architects at the time-perfectly feasible to build a stadium and add to it.I don’t think you would get much change out of £2k per seat whichever way you cut it.

What a fantastic project to do though-no need to move away from BP in my view.

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17 Nov 2019 20:49 #121 by lummy8
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Good bloke John, Sunderland through and through.

Moving from Roker Park was sad as we packed up all the stuff, but it had to be done.

From 21,000 ish in the Prem to 36,000 sell outs in the championship.

We had 32,000 at a reserve match v Man Utd!

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17 Nov 2019 21:19 #122 by Laffy
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I helped him sell Northumbria Buses.£25m-a lot of cash in 1993.As a massive fan, he wanted to help Sunderland who were struggling under Bob Murray-he was being encouraged to step down, so we met in Newcastle and John bought 15pc of the club for £300k.He asked me if I thought it was a good idea but I could see in his eyes that it was absolutely what he had to do-he reminded me of that when Carlisle came up for me.

He became CEO and built the stadium-a fantastic project.The Halls at Newcastle were furious as Sunderland got their site for nothing.John then went on to help build the new Wembley!Got treated badly when the Americans moved in at Sunderland though.

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17 Nov 2019 23:03 #123 by Dentonholmersimpson
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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away


Just a thought but surely the top level of the Sheepmount would be big enough for a stadium, close to the city centre, ample parking although access in and out for traffic would be a bit of a nightmare, having said that leaving BP car park is always a snarl up if there's a decent crowd.

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17 Nov 2019 23:35 #124 by Bluedazblue
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Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

aberdeenblue28 wrote: Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away


Just a thought but surely the top level of the Sheepmount would be big enough for a stadium, close to the city centre, ample parking although access in and out for traffic would be a bit of a nightmare, having said that leaving BP car park is always a snarl up if there's a decent crowd.


Sorry to be negative but Isn't the Sheepmount just as much prone to flooding as Brunton Park, being as it is at the confluence of the Caldew and Eden?. Also it's a total bottleneck, difficult to get in and out.

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17 Nov 2019 23:40 - 17 Nov 2019 23:42 #125 by Happyblue
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Bluedazblue wrote:

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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away


Just a thought but surely the top level of the Sheepmount would be big enough for a stadium, close to the city centre, ample parking although access in and out for traffic would be a bit of a nightmare, having said that leaving BP car park is always a snarl up if there's a decent crowd.


Sorry to be negative but Isn't the Sheepmount just as much prone to flooding as Brunton Park, being as it is at the confluence of the Caldew and Eden?. Also it's a total bottleneck, difficult to get in and out.

The solution is clear , I've noticed a old building which is of no use now opposite BBC radio cumbria , on top of a hill , plenty of crossings to get to it and loads of parking near by.

Jenkins can probably remeber when it was built .

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18 Nov 2019 00:19 - 18 Nov 2019 00:56 #126 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Bluedazblue wrote:

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

aberdeenblue28 wrote: Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away


Just a thought but surely the top level of the Sheepmount would be big enough for a stadium, close to the city centre, ample parking although access in and out for traffic would be a bit of a nightmare, having said that leaving BP car park is always a snarl up if there's a decent crowd.


Sorry to be negative but Isn't the Sheepmount just as much prone to flooding as Brunton Park, being as it is at the confluence of the Caldew and Eden?. Also it's a total bottleneck, difficult to get in and out.


Don't think the higher level bit floods, yes it is a bottleneck, but not so much if you park on Devonshire Walk or the Viaduct car parks, I am not sugesting you park over the bridge to the Sheepmount.
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18 Nov 2019 06:54 #127 by Moylesey
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Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote:

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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away


Just a thought but surely the top level of the Sheepmount would be big enough for a stadium, close to the city centre, ample parking although access in and out for traffic would be a bit of a nightmare, having said that leaving BP car park is always a snarl up if there's a decent crowd.


Sorry to be negative but Isn't the Sheepmount just as much prone to flooding as Brunton Park, being as it is at the confluence of the Caldew and Eden?. Also it's a total bottleneck, difficult to get in and out.


Don't think the higher level bit floods, yes it is a bottleneck, but not so much if you park on Devonshire Walk or the Viaduct car parks, I am not sugesting you park over the bridge to the Sheepmount.


It floods.
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18 Nov 2019 07:27 #128 by High Street
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Brilliant idea. Move from one flood plain to another.
How long was Sheepmount out of action for, after the 2015 floods?

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18 Nov 2019 08:00 #129 by CCU
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Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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18 Nov 2019 08:44 #130 by melbourneblues
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Good luck with that, if he hasn’t the decency to respond there has to be some way of putting pressure on him, he might have kept the club afloat of late but I find his lack of communication rude.

Mullen is a virgin.
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18 Nov 2019 08:56 #131 by ParcelPete
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Happyblue wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote:

Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

aberdeenblue28 wrote: Where would the new BP be though because at the minute its perfect for the train station for away fans. Do we really want some soulless MK Dons like stadium that looks half empty? Modify the Current BP don’t move away


Just a thought but surely the top level of the Sheepmount would be big enough for a stadium, close to the city centre, ample parking although access in and out for traffic would be a bit of a nightmare, having said that leaving BP car park is always a snarl up if there's a decent crowd.


Sorry to be negative but Isn't the Sheepmount just as much prone to flooding as Brunton Park, being as it is at the confluence of the Caldew and Eden?. Also it's a total bottleneck, difficult to get in and out.

The solution is clear , I've noticed a old building which is of no use now opposite BBC radio cumbria , on top of a hill , plenty of crossings to get to it and loads of parking near by.

Jenkins can probably remeber when it was built .


If its £1.3 million to knock down the central plaza [censored] knows how much it would be to demolish the castle.
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18 Nov 2019 09:16 #132 by pacirv
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The talk in the N&S is of helping the club, I hope it’s not just about financial backing for the present owners because we all know how that’s working.
Only the departure of the owners and a new start will go anywhere near being the right way to go anything less would not work.

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18 Nov 2019 09:24 #133 by CUFC52
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Quite simple for me, 4 possible solutions:
Day approves the takeover
Day wants to work with the consortium
Day wants the club himself (immediately)
Day is happy to continue as we are.

If the 4th occurs and fans want change, you have to then push for it: Protests, boycotts (maybe what Blackpool did). But protests have to be aimed towards EWM and Jenkins.

Why Jenkins ? He’s the only one of them with a pot to piss in to pay of Day
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18 Nov 2019 09:27 #134 by Laffy
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Just heard a great line on R4

‘Debt is taxation of the future’

Basically all debt has to be extinguished before any takeover-otherwise it will fail

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18 Nov 2019 09:31 - 18 Nov 2019 09:32 #135 by pacirv
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I know a lot of people didn’t like the idea but the kingmoor option was a sensible one well away from flood threats and a part of town that is growing rapidly.
Plenty of room for supporting development as well.
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18 Nov 2019 09:37 #136 by nobbyblue
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The crowds would soon dwindle at Kingmoor. Nobody's gan to sit oot there in a glorified bus shelter on a winters night. I wouldn't.
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18 Nov 2019 09:37 #137 by Mullen103
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CUFC52 wrote: Quite simple for me, 4 possible solutions:
Day approves the takeover
Day wants to work with the consortium
Day wants the club himself (immediately)
Day is happy to continue as we are.

If the 4th occurs and fans want change, you have to then push for it: Protests, boycotts (maybe what Blackpool did). But protests have to be aimed towards EWM and Jenkins.

Why Jenkins ? He’s the only one of them with a pot to piss in to pay of Day


Agree, at least EWM will have to speak and make a decision going forwards.

At least we’re not Stockport

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18 Nov 2019 10:52 #138 by Burneside Blue
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lummy8 wrote: 2004-2008 Great times

Apart from losing our football league status during that time of course...

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18 Nov 2019 11:03 #139 by lummy8
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Sorry, seasons 2004-05, 2005-06, 2006-07, 2007-08.

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18 Nov 2019 12:00 #140 by CarlisleSaint
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Business man Steve Skinner, REALLY?? . A guy who presure washes houses

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18 Nov 2019 12:02 - 18 Nov 2019 12:14 #141 by thesilentone
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If you want to see how to be a successful club with great new facilities, take a look a Herenveen, a City with half the population of Carlisle.
Great Stadium, bars, restaurants, surrounded by shops and parking.

It can be done, no reliance on ' football fortune ' and deep pocketed Directors when your stadium is home to large brand name shops and top class conference facilities.

Link a bit of Cumbrian pride, flag and food, get the team strip in the flag colours, before you know it, you have a brand.
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18 Nov 2019 12:09 - 18 Nov 2019 12:09 #142 by CCU
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thesilentone wrote: If you want to see how to be a successful club with great new facilities, take a look a Herenveen, a City with half the population of Carlisle.
Great Stadium, bars, restaurants, surrounded by shops and parking.

It can be done, no reliance on ' football fortune ' and deep pocketed Directors when you stadium is home to large brand name shops and top class conference facilities.


Heerenveen was built around the 14k mark then nearly doubled to 26k a decade later. It looks like it was built to be able to do so...


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18 Nov 2019 12:09 #143 by ParcelPete
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CarlisleSaint wrote: Business man Steve Skinner, REALLY?? . A guy who presure washes houses


I know the guy who has Borderbrite,for a man who washes windows i would say he has a very good business

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18 Nov 2019 12:16 #144 by Lakelandterrier
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pacirv wrote: The talk in the N&S is of helping the club, I hope it’s not just about financial backing for the present owners because we all know how that’s working.
Only the departure of the owners and a new start will go anywhere near being the right way to go anything less would not work.



If it goes through, i dont anticiapte any existing BoD member being involved with the new regime.

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18 Nov 2019 12:19 #145 by High Street
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ParcelPete wrote:

CarlisleSaint wrote: Business man Steve Skinner, REALLY?? . A guy who presure washes houses


I know the guy who has Borderbrite,for a man who washes windows i would say he has a very good business


Fletcher? Wasnt he on the board before?

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18 Nov 2019 12:57 #146 by ParcelPete
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It's not Fletcher,he might have bought it from him ages ago.

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18 Nov 2019 14:14 - 18 Nov 2019 14:18 #147 by Happyblue
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nobbyblue wrote: The crowds would soon dwindle at Kingmoor. Nobody's gan to sit oot there in a glorified bus shelter on a winters night. I wouldn't.

Your option will be that or no stadium at all.
A location could be to the west of the city with the new Bypass next to Morton area.

Owners like the stadium, full of Sh!T
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18 Nov 2019 16:41 #148 by CarlisleWhite
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Bloody hell, got in to 48 new posts, got excited and thought there must be news about the takeover.
But no, mainly more bollocks about a new ground.
Hope Lummy's boys have big pockets.

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18 Nov 2019 16:52 #149 by aberdeenblue28
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Question for Lummy. If the consortium was to take full ownership with EWM completely out of the picture would you get rid of Holdsworth. In my opinion and I presume many others he is taking up a wage that could be used on a player and say if we do get an experienced manager in why does he need a dof to make the signings for him when they done it themselves at other clubs. I understand having a director of football for an inexperienced manager who doesn’t know the transfer market but surely Presley (not that I’m defending him ) didn’t need holdsworth to do the Transfer business for him

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18 Nov 2019 16:55 #150 by Mullen103
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Will we have sufficient toilet roll - and none of the cheap hard stuff at the minute?

At least we’re not Stockport
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