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23 May 2020 20:43 #751 by Vogel
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Allegedly seen in Barnard Castle with family on April 12 and again out and about in Durham on April 19 after having returned to London after illness. If true I suspect he is a goner.

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23 May 2020 20:44 #752 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote:

Chilledsilly wrote:

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nobbyblue wrote: Boris has made a right pigs ear of it all despite a promising start. I’d vote labour now if there was an election after voting Tory in December.


What should he have done differently ?



Hahah ... really ?
While theres been some tough calls .
Consensus says he's done just about everything wrong !

What has he do right ??
( when around )


Other than acted maybe a week earlier (like most other Countries) pray tell us what he should have done differently.please !


[censored] me Where do you want me to start ?

Every single decision they've made in 5 minutes I could come up with a better plan.

But to keep in simple and topical let's look at the 14-day isolation plan [ which it took Michael Oleary about 5 minutes to drive a horse and cart thru]

What exactly is the point of imposing a 14-day isolation plan when most of the rest of the western world are just lifting theirs [ but yes I do agree with what they're trying to do with it ]

But surely a better plan is to just give the airlines access to testing kits and then make it illegal for them to fly anybody into this country who hasn't had a negative test any more than 3 days prior to their flight and then back that up with £100k fines for each breach they commit.

Simples Really and a system that would meet everybody's needs and allow the airlines to get flying again preventing the 100.s of thousands of redundancies that are coming if they aren't helped to get up and running again very soon.

But one of the biggest mistakes they've made is in not issuing immunity/I .ve has the virus certificates because once people see that they would carry an earnings premium I think people would be happier about getting a test if a certificate went alongside it.

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23 May 2020 20:45 #753 by Vogel
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Cummings that is

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23 May 2020 20:58 #754 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: There are many on here who seem to like playing with themselves rather than trying to do something about their gripe.Likewise the football club where many are unhappy about it but few have actually attempted to do anything.

According to the Sun today, 33pc of people don’t want to go back to work because they are better off under furlough.That stat just about sums things up-let somebody else sort it out but pay us to do nothing meantime and we will snipe from the sidelines-but don’t ask us for a solution or better way because we don’t have one.

Someone asked for a list of things that the government have done wrong.I would like to see it but with some hard evidence to back the claims up-particularly when there is nothing at all to measure performance given it’s without precedent.

The number of deaths in the UK is truly shocking but already the inquest is starting as to why.Its no surprise obesity, fags and general abuse of one’s body are central to this.We are the unhealthiest bunch of lard arses in Europe and I’m sure our statisticians and medical experts took that into account in their strategy.

That is not the fault of Boris or the naughty Tories-these British traits were embedded in our culture a long time ago, probably back to Blair who created the ‘I want it and I want it now’ culture that we see today.


Why are 36000 people mostly with underlying health issues of one sort or another most of whom would have been deceased in a year or two anyway too many?

In a year of a bad conventional flu outbreak, 100k people above the normal death rate would be the expectation currently were on about a third of that with the figures dropping on a daily basis so why the panic and the hand ringing ?

We built the Nightingale hospitals they weren't needed. We built 100 temporary morgues they never took a single body in So i.d say the government clearly overestimated the power of the virus.

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23 May 2020 21:05 #755 by Laffy
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Coogan makes a big play of ‘I pay for everything,I get nothing for free’

Making your gardener and housekeeper furlough is piss poor-

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23 May 2020 21:06 #756 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: I hope you’re wrong but I do think Boris needs to get out in front and swing the bat-that’s his style so his absence is unusual


This isn’t his style as he gets asked questions that he struggles with think about the fridge incident in the election campaign !!10 Downing Street are desperate to only friendly questions by banning certain media from press briefing to the credit of The Mail and The Telegraph they walked out in protest

Nothing has changed since 2016 when Michael Gove said he had to be honest and say Boris wasn’t up to been prime minister
Boris never had the support of the majority of the parliamentary party He was very popular with the public as one old MP said He’s the only hope we have got I’ll have to support him through gritted teeth but deep down I know it will go all wrong !!!


And yet again today they tried to claim they don't know the questions in advance of being asked them.

Is there anybody on here who actually believes that is the truth ?

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23 May 2020 21:19 #757 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Taffy-P wrote: Why criticise Steve Coogan for using what essentially a socialist policy of looking after people when things go wrong in their lives for what ever reason This is why it’s called furlough as it’s sounds better than been on benefits.


Steve Coogan is a dyed in the wood socialist.

He is worth in excess of £10,000,000.

He employs a housekeeper and gardener, undoubtedly on minmum wage.

Instead of finding,probably less than 10k to fund their wages he is happy for it to come out of the public purse.

If that is socialist policy, no wonder they are unelectable.

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23 May 2020 21:28 #758 by whytakemypostcode
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Asking Boris to sack Cummings is like asking Emu to sack Rod Hull!
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23 May 2020 21:58 #759 by Chilledsilly
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Is Coogan now the new whipping stick to beat Labour and distract how bad the Tories are doing.?
Come on boys your better than that !
If he has a wealth of ten million ,Is that your new yard stick ?.... Christ 10 mill is not even that high amongst the well healed ? These days.
There's plenty that have many times more and have used furlough ,rather than sack them because they couldn't do their jobs .
Is he a socialist ... yes he is, he pays his way ,and abides by the law.
His heart is in the right place ,many charities etc...
There's plenty that hid from the tax man .
Should he have furloughed his staff , probably not.
But stop doing The Sun's dirty work .

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23 May 2020 22:16 #760 by Taffy-P
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I class myself as a socialist it’s doesn’t stop me from ordering a hybrid BMW because of the low benefit in kind rate

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23 May 2020 22:17 #761 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Chilledsilly wrote: Is Coogan now the new whipping stick to beat Labour and distract how bad the Tories are doing.?
Come on boys your better than that !
If he has a wealth of ten million ,Is that your new yard stick ?.... Christ 10 mill is not even that high amongst the well healed ? These days.
There's plenty that have many times more and have used furlough ,rather than sack them because they couldn't do their jobs .
Is he a socialist ... yes he is, he pays his way ,and abides by the law.
His heart is in the right place ,many charities etc...
There's plenty that hid from the tax man .
Should he have furloughed his staff , probably not.
But stop doing The Sun's dirty work .



I think so called celebrities should keep their politics to themselves, common sense really as they will alienate a large percentage of their fan base, not that it makes any difference to my opinion of Coogan.

As funny as piles.
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23 May 2020 22:36 #762 by Bluedevil
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Chilledsilly wrote: Is Coogan now the new whipping stick to beat Labour and distract how bad the Tories are doing.?
Come on boys your better than that !
If he has a wealth of ten million ,Is that your new yard stick ?.... Christ 10 mill is not even that high amongst the well healed ? These days.
There's plenty that have many times more and have used furlough ,rather than sack them because they couldn't do their jobs .
Is he a socialist ... yes he is, he pays his way ,and abides by the law.
His heart is in the right place ,many charities etc...
There's plenty that hid from the tax man .
Should he have furloughed his staff , probably not.

But stop doing The Sun's dirty work .


Coogan is a [censored], always has been always will be, the most irritating little weasel on the planet, and some people seem to think hes funny!!! Just so surprising he goes down the socialist route, but doesn't surprise me one bit hes furloughing his staff.

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23 May 2020 22:38 #763 by Chilledsilly
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More than 70% of companies had furloughed some employees last week

To pick on coogan is just doing The Sun's dirty work.
Surely being a socialist hasn't got anything to do with how much money you have ?
Hell there's probably quite a few Tories out there with little money ( but I dont know why )
Hahaha

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23 May 2020 22:55 #764 by CCU
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A quick Google of “Coogan and the Leveson Enquiry” will tell you all you need to know as to why he’s been picked out by Red Tops...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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23 May 2020 22:59 #765 by Taffy-P
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Attacking Steve Coogan all about Levinson press inquiry nothing more or nothing less
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24 May 2020 00:10 #766 by hampshire_blue
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Same here Taffy, Socialist at heart, hard to practice in today’s society though.

Socialist policies and Communist policies are two very different things, something many people in the country don’t seem to understand. It’s not like we would all be driving Ladas, steaming on vodka and in love with Suprematism artworks (coming from the man with a huge Kraftwerk concert poster on the wall!!). It would however help to create a level of support that was acceptable for people who have the lower paid or lower hours jobs to at least have a chance of being able to survive without hardship and poverty. They never taught people about savings or mortgages when I was at school. The only reason I opened my 1st bank account in the School foyer was because I got a Mitre footy for free if I deposited £1 there and then, didn’t eat that day but had a new ball for dinner time.

Now... I don’t own a house or have any substantial savings, not lived at home since I was 18, always worked and paid my taxes, currently earn just under £30k a year, live on outskirts of Southampton but at £1000 a month rent for a privately owned shoddy 3 bed ex council house alone (thanks Maggie, this is now the norm just about everywhere) how the hell am I supposed to ever have a hope of saving up to buy a house or ever have anything to get me through retirement? This is all before I even think about Council Tax, Utilities, Car finance, Insurance, Food, Student loan, etc. Don’t have any fancy phones, clothes or tat like that, no takeaways as I was a chef previously so all home cooked costed meals, drive a £7k diesel Renault estate as I do 300 miles a week and it’s economical. I’m not a slacker, I work my arse off. I work 6-7 days a week from March to November and 5 days a week outside of that but because wages have massively stagnated (annual wage same as 10 years ago, I’ve been doing the job for 5 years on May 28th) and the cost of living has rose and rose beyond obtainable levels for the mortal man and his family, it’s all bit overwhelming to be honest.

We have no family available for child care etc. so my Mrs has to work part time between schools hours, testing fags for BAT @ £9 an hour, 3 hours a day. She also does some weekend work for my company which turns into an expenses paid weekend in a hotel, fed and watered, company car etc. which we both love as it’s a weekend away from family life and we’re both getting paid but we try to make them little holidays when possible. The only holiday we’ve ever been on together was to Florida Disney 3 years ago but her dying grandad paid for that, prior to that we’d never been on holiday together and the last one I had before that was in my early teens with my parents.

I am degree educated and I’m very fortunate to have my childhood dream job. After a load of low paid work in bars and pubs in and around Carlisle, I set out at 27 to go to University and managed to bag the job by the end of my 2 year. I genuinely believe that one of the things that get me through the whirlwind that is life today is not having the mental stress of having to get up in the morning and go to some monotonous shitty job in a factory or something like that. For example, people work in Metal Box because the money is good, not because they wake up in the morning with a hard on for making coke cans. The company I work for is in a group of companies owned by a members club. We have no shareholders, just members with a liability. We turn over £15million a year but have a high cost of sales even though we don’t supply a physical product the majority of the time. Majority of profit is used to constantly update equipment and facilities at our 6 sports venues, thus giving our members excellent return on their pretty large investments. The rest is kept in bank for running the business as we have a lot of financial outlay to put down pre season before we pull money back in over the counter on our investments.

My Mrs and I work our arses off but in the current climate, we are just keeping our heads above the water to be honest. That’s without the effects of Covid or Brexit. Once upon a time in this country, a man could go out to work and earn enough to have a family, buy a house and have a quiet peaceful life which if I’m honest is all I really want. Nothing fancy, just not panning your head in every month just to stay afloat. I do live in hope that it will be different when my son is my age.

Being honest, I’m current trying to get a job in Geneva and have been for about 6 months. For the same job I do in this country, I would be paid £100k in Switzerland but it takes on average 2-3 years to get a position in this particular organisation. It pains me to want to leave the U.K. but the grass is far green elsewhere. Just look at Switzerland, ok they have private healthcare but that’s less than 5% of what my annual wage would be and that’s for my whole family. They have a fantastic social housing system, hardly anyone owns property in Switzerland. They have a minimum wage of roughly £2k a month, so say you work in Maccy D’s then your earning good money, enough to survive comfortably on. Being even more honest, I voted leave, mainly because I wanted the U.K. to try and obtain a Switzerland style deal but it’s turned into a race/immigrant/patriotism thing which is unfortunate but that’s that.

I remember being in my early teens in the late 90s when all my mates older siblings were buying houses in their early 20’s and Britain was doing alright, there was a wave of optimism, like there was a bright future for us all. Imagine being 11,12,13 years old these days? Poor buggers not a hope in hell. It’s [censored] hard out there but this isn’t because we are all lazy lay about cretins (Rees Mogg springs to mind) but because there is a massive inequality in the distribution of wealth in this country and others all over the world. I don’t like using the word “ Untermensch” but there is a stench of this wafting it’s way through the right wing as we speak, work the inferior people and all will be good. What a sick outlook on life. Wouldn't be surprised if Kunta Kinte becomes the most popular baby name in the U.K. within a few years. (For all the Tories, that was a joke so wind your necks in advance thanks)

Sorry for the life story but I’m just a lad from Longtown who didn’t fancy being a born there, worked there and died there statistic. Hopefully it will make some of the narrow minded people realise that there are plenty of hard working people out there, putting in a hefty shift, day in and day out but just managing to stay afloat month to month. People’s circumstances are all different but at the ending the day, if basic human needs aren’t being met, something is seriously wrong with the system.
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24 May 2020 00:16 #767 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Taffy-P wrote: Attacking Steve Coogan all about Levinson press inquiry nothing more or nothing less


My opinion on Coogan is nothing to do with the Levinson enquiry,in fact I will admit I couldn't remember what the enquiry was about, no Coogan

is a cock of the highest order by his own achievements.

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24 May 2020 01:05 #768 by thetashkentterror
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Switzerland has high comparative wages to here because the cost of living is massively expensive compared to here.

I was in Switzerland for four days earlier in the year, and not just in the tourist traps.

Pretty much everything costs twice as much.

Zurich and Geneva have around the highest costs of living in the world.

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24 May 2020 01:24 #769 by hampshire_blue
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But does it matter how much the cost of living is if the people are paid a fair wage, given good social housing and have a fair crack of the whip from birth? Quality of life is far better than better there than the U.K. The stats are here -

www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/compare_c...country2=Switzerland

Big difference to the U.K. and for the better if you ask me. Also you can get a double Big Mac there, worth it for that along...!

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24 May 2020 01:30 #770 by hampshire_blue
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And if you want even more relevant stats...

This open the eyes to what we could have had if Brixit had been properly.

www.mylifeelsewhere.com/compare/united-kingdom/switzerland

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24 May 2020 07:24 #771 by nobbyblue
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How come it’s ok for Laffy and Philip Day to furlough staff but not Steve Coogan and Victoria Beckham?
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24 May 2020 09:12 #772 by Bruntonpasty
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Hampshire, you're yearning for a bygone age mate, too idealistic. British society and culture is fecked. It wants everything now, won't make sacrifices and the whines when it doesn't get what it wants. Take my eldest for example, she has one of these save to buy schemes but still wastes coin on clothes, shoes, and the latest mobile phone. look at all the other things we waste money on now that we didn't have thirty years ago, Sky telly, PCP car finance plans, too freely available credit cards and credit finance in general. This isn't aimed at you personally by the way, it's a general rant. you, in my view are a victim of the north south divide,, on your salary you could probably own half of longtown!

They don't like it up 'em!

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24 May 2020 10:06 #773 by Markovitch
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Whereas if you had lived in communist CCCP you would have had a guaranteed place to live with a set number of metres for you and your family. A guaranteed job. Free education, medical system with more doctors than any country in the world, transport, utilities, 2 weeks holidays with a choice of destinations and the right to go on a list for a car which you could buy for about £500.

It certainly wasn't a system without issues but in terms of making people happy by providing basic needs its difficult not to think it was much better than what we have now

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24 May 2020 10:13 #774 by Yorkie Blue
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Markovitch wrote: Whereas if you had lived in communist CCCP you would have had a guaranteed place to live with a set number of metres for you and your family. A guaranteed job. Free education, medical system with more doctors than any country in the world, transport, utilities, 2 weeks holidays with a choice of destinations and the right to go on a list for a car which you could buy for about £500.

It certainly wasn't a system without issues but in terms of making people happy by providing basic needs its difficult not to think it was much better than what we have now



Won`t be as many soon if they carry on being thrown jumping out of tower blocks.

Stay safe, stay healthy all.
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24 May 2020 10:51 #775 by hampshire_blue
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The only credit I have is my car which is £82 a month over 4 years as had a good deposit to put down. Probably class a mobile phone as credit too but the Mrs and I have a joint contract which brings it down to £45 a month, usually take the cheapest upgrade every couple of years.

Don’t have any fancy tv packages or boxes, can’t afford them. Have Internet and a Google Chromecast (£25 one off fee and turns your telly into a Smart TV, bargain if you ask me) and pretty much watch stuff online streamed to the tv from our phones.

The North/South decide is real and it’s a cock of situation to have the country in. Take a new build for example, a 3 bed Persimmons home in Carlisle is £125,000. Same house in Southampton, same model, same number of brick, same layout will set you back £375,000. Since the Tory government started the “right to buy” scheme and sold off all the council houses, the shared ownership thing has bloomed down south. Total pisstake of a system where you have to get 1/2 a mortgage as that’s all you can afford and pay an over the top rent for the other half to some privately owned profit making machine disguised as a caring social housing scheme. I think these may still qualify for leasehold too which is another swizz. It’s all profit based off the equity that you can create in the property, they literally want you there for a couple of years, make a mint out of you and get you to sell with them taking % of the profit as well as their initial investment. When the [censored] was social house supposed to be for profit?

How has it become that the equality in the country is being driven in hard by the profit turning capitalists. I’m not looking for any idilic old life. I’m just looking for a fairer society where the hard workers aren’t the ones who are on and under the poverty line. Because if you work your arse off and just survive then why not [censored] it all off and go on the social, have time to spend with the kids growing up, having a free house, get vouchers for food etc. That’s not what I want, I want a fair way to provide for my family. People need to have some incentive to get up and go but trust me, the over inflated price of living versus the stagnated rise of wages is not an incentive for anyone to get up in the morning. In fact, sometimes it’s makes it impossible.

In this country it’s become the norm for people to survive on handouts from food banks or using a 100 year old man walking around his garden just to swindle the public into putting some much needed pennies in the coffers of a national health organisation that’s under destress when the government are drastically underfunding it with more money that we’ve already given to them in tax.

Surely even just the notion of what’s going on would be an embarrassment to any government in charge of what is supposed to be one of the most powerful, richest and successful countries in the world.

We’re falling faster than Sunderland AFC right now and I can only see there’s further to drop before we hit the bottom.

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24 May 2020 10:57 #776 by Bruntonpasty
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Your Ideal is great Hampshire, but is there the appetite within current British society to actually make it happen? TOO FAR GONE!

They don't like it up 'em!

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24 May 2020 11:26 #777 by Laffy
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Simple mate-I don’t have a pot to piss in remember.You can’t have it both ways.

The whole point of furlough is to warehouse jobs that become temporarily redundant until legitimate businesses under the cosh can see through the crisis.Coogan’s problem is he said he never takes handouts-then does.Once a job has gone, it’s highly likely it won’t come back.

The debate about Cummings is really highlighting what is wrong in this country-bigger issues about death, destruction and misery are swamped by a story.Its like watching vultures picking over a carcass whilst the wolves are still chasing their quarry.Had to turn the TV off this morning.

I really don’t think many realise the gravity of the situation with the economy-if this carries on, nobody will have a pot to piss in.

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24 May 2020 11:39 #778 by hampshire_blue
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If we close our borders to foreign workforce then surely it’s the British people who need to pick up the slack. But you’re saying that the appetite isn’t there in British Society these days to cover the work on offer? Because we all know it’s hard work that gets you places in this country these days... (Tories, please understand that was sarcasm)

Brexit it going to rape the country and we’ll still all be buying German cars, watching Japanese TVs and flying in American planes. This make British, Buy British thing is all well for smaller cheaper items like food stuffs and clothing etc. but when to comes to large size, large production items then we are nowhere near any other countries. We are so far behind in mass manufacturing terms it’s ridiculous. We are a producer of small batch niche products which are 9 times out of 10 high end expensive items which are not available to the common man on the high street. We will all still be buying imported items long after Brexit is done because it’s not going to be delivering what it was supposed to. Prosperity to all my arse.

If this is really how it’s going to be then I’m glad I’m looking to move internationally to provide a better and safer future for my family.

If as a British National you can’t survive or obtain basic needs on a full time job then something is seriously wrong.

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24 May 2020 11:58 #779 by Markovitch
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Laffy wrote: Simple mate-I don’t have a pot to piss in remember.You can’t have it both ways.

The whole point of furlough is to warehouse jobs that become temporarily redundant until legitimate businesses under the cosh can see through the crisis.Coogan’s problem is he said he never takes handouts-then does.Once a job has gone, it’s highly likely it won’t come back.

The debate about Cummings is really highlighting what is wrong in this country-bigger issues about death, destruction and misery are swamped by a story.Its like watching vultures picking over a carcass whilst the wolves are still chasing their quarry.Had to turn the TV off this morning.

I really don’t think many realise the gravity of the situation with the economy-if this carries on, nobody will have a pot to piss in.


Its like Africa. If you are a normal person you get arrested for going to the park but if you are a friend of the Prime Minister you can do what you want irrespective of the law.

Like that poor kid Harry Dunn. Raab let that woman go back to America after she killed Dunn then they sued the Dunn family for legal costs just because her husband was spying on UK citizens. Whereas Theresa May wanted to send Lauri Love to the US to stand trial with the death penalty for hacking their computers. We live in 1984

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24 May 2020 11:58 #780 by hampshire_blue
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Laffy wrote: The debate about Cummings is really highlighting what is wrong in this country-bigger issues about death, destruction and misery are swamped by a story.Its like watching vultures picking over a carcass whilst the wolves are still chasing their quarry.Had to turn the TV off this morning.

I really don’t think many realise the gravity of the situation with the economy-if this carries on, nobody will have a pot to piss in.


I’m sorry but Cummings has held the country under contempt for a long time now, you can’t really defend that.

His wife was showing symptoms of Corona and we were all told to stay at home is this was the case. They moved to a different property at the other end of the country. She has a sister round the corner who could have looked after the kids.

I haven’t back to Carlisle in 3 years because I don’t have the time or the money to just pop in the car and do this normally. Lockdown changed those circumstances but the governments lockdown rules dictated I could not travel to my parents at the other end of the country. If it was now legal, I have deprived my parents the chance to spend some quality time with their only grandson who they don’t see much anyway. I am absolute fuming about this.

This has also happened in the same week where my son’s great grandma died. He’s seven years old and just experienced his first funeral from the corner of our street as we had to get the hearse to come by our road. And Cummings the [censored] is traveling the country to see his when we were all told we couldn’t.

One rule for the boss and another rule for the workers. Do these people get a special golden birth certificate or something?

A good friend of mine was the MD of Island Records and personally looked after Bob Marley. He sent me this the other day and said these lyrics mean more now than ever before

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24 May 2020 12:05 #781 by Yorkie Blue
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After reading a few recent posts on this thread.


Stay safe, stay healthy all.
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24 May 2020 12:39 #782 by Bruntonpasty
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Cummings will be gone before the week is out.....and rightly so.

They don't like it up 'em!

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24 May 2020 13:00 #783 by Chilledsilly
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Cummings may well be gone by the end of the week ....
But ... what is going on in the background?
Is the hiding seek champion 2020 ( Boris )
Worrying if I get rid of him , what will he be writing in his upcoming book ???

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hampshire_blue wrote: The only credit I have is my car which is £82 a month over 4 years as had a good deposit to put down. Probably class a mobile phone as credit too but the Mrs and I have a joint contract which brings it down to £45 a month, usually take the cheapest upgrade every couple of years.

Don’t have any fancy tv packages or boxes, can’t afford them. Have Internet and a Google Chromecast (£25 one off fee and turns your telly into a Smart TV, bargain if you ask me) and pretty much watch stuff online streamed to the tv from our phones.

The North/South decide is real and it’s a cock of situation to have the country in. Take a new build for example, a 3 bed Persimmons home in Carlisle is £125,000. Same house in Southampton, same model, same number of brick, same layout will set you back £375,000. Since the Tory government started the “right to buy” scheme and sold off all the council houses, the shared ownership thing has bloomed down south. Total pisstake of a system where you have to get 1/2 a mortgage as that’s all you can afford and pay an over the top rent for the other half to some privately owned profit making machine disguised as a caring social housing scheme. I think these may still qualify for leasehold too which is another swizz. It’s all profit based off the equity that you can create in the property, they literally want you there for a couple of years, make a mint out of you and get you to sell with them taking % of the profit as well as their initial investment. When the [censored] was social house supposed to be for profit?

How has it become that the equality in the country is being driven in hard by the profit turning capitalists. I’m not looking for any idilic old life. I’m just looking for a fairer society where the hard workers aren’t the ones who are on and under the poverty line. Because if you work your arse off and just survive then why not [censored] it all off and go on the social, have time to spend with the kids growing up, having a free house, get vouchers for food etc. That’s not what I want, I want a fair way to provide for my family. People need to have some incentive to get up and go but trust me, the over inflated price of living versus the stagnated rise of wages is not an incentive for anyone to get up in the morning. In fact, sometimes it’s makes it impossible.

In this country it’s become the norm for people to survive on handouts from food banks or using a 100 year old man walking around his garden just to swindle the public into putting some much needed pennies in the coffers of a national health organisation that’s under destress when the government are drastically underfunding it with more money that we’ve already given to them in tax.

Surely even just the notion of what’s going on would be an embarrassment to any government in charge of what is supposed to be one of the most powerful, richest and successful countries in the world.

We’re falling faster than Sunderland AFC right now and I can only see there’s further to drop before we hit the bottom.



Do you not wish you'd stayed in Langtoon ? Even on the living wage you'd be no worse off (which I'm sure you would earn more). Maybe own you're house now, and have more cash for luxuries ? £30k in the South is not alot if you're paying £12k a year for rent + bills leaves little to throw about on a bit of fun or save.

If you're willing to spread your wings, get a job for a Scandinavian Company, but be based in the UK win/win........

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24 May 2020 13:09 #785 by Bruntonpasty
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Why on earth are you worried about what BoJo is worrying about?

FFS, you worry too much..........smile, be happy!!

They don't like it up 'em!

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24 May 2020 13:12 #786 by thesilentone
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Chilledsilly wrote: Cummings may well be gone by the end of the week ....
But ... what is going on in the background?
Is the hiding seek champion 2020 ( Boris )
Worrying if I get rid of him , what will he be writing in his upcoming book ???


My bet is, if he isn't gone by lunchtime tomorrow, he's staying. They're not giving in to the lefty loony in Durham that easy.

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24 May 2020 13:17 #787 by Flatcap
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Boris has been very quiet on the Cummings saga, and also to an extent on the corona virus epidemic..

He looks a but like those first world war generals who stayed well clear of the front line while sending others into battle.

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24 May 2020 13:20 #788 by thesilentone
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So, it looks like Cummings father contacted the Police to make them aware of what was happening, not the other way round, the plot thickens...........

"Officers 'made aware' that Dominic Cummings had travelled from London to Durham
Durham Constabulary have contracted claims that Dominic Cummings was not spoken to by police about allegations he had broken the lockdown in March.

"On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware that Dominic Cummings had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city. At the request of Mr Cummings’ father, an officer made contact the following morning by telephone," the force said in a written statement."

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24 May 2020 13:32 #789 by howoldboy
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DC is unelected and untouchable.

Even if they say he has gone he will continue to advise the Government behind the scenes.

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24 May 2020 14:03 #790 by thesilentone
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So, who do believe, Daddy Cummings or Durham Cops ?

"Durham Constabulary has claimed police officers did speak to Dominic Cummings’ father following Downing Street denials there was any contact with his family over his alleged lockdown breaches.

In a statement, in which Durham Police took the unusual move of naming Mr Cummings, the force said his father contacted them following reports the Prime Minister’s chief aide had travelled 260 miles from his home in London to Durham.

But No 10 had said on Saturday morning: “At no stage was he [Mr Cummings] or his family spoken to about this matter, as is being reported.”

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps also reiterated the Government statement was “black and white” at the daily Downing Street briefing later in the day.

However, the statement from the force on Saturday differed from its previous response over what officers spoke to Mr Cummings’ father about.

The initial response to the allegations on Friday said officers explained to Mr Cummings’ family the guidelines around “self-isolation” and reiterated the “appropriate advice around essential travel”.

But Saturday’s statement said officers provided advice about “security issues”.

Durham Police has not yet clarified what this means and if this is the same as guidelines around self-isolation and avoiding non-essential travel.

The force’s updated statement read: “Following a significant number of media inquiries over the weekend, Durham Constabulary can add the following detail.

“On Tuesday, March 31, our officers were made aware that Dominic Cummings had travelled from London to Durham and was present at an address in the city.

“At the request of Mr Cummings’ father, an officer made contact the following morning by telephone.

“During that conversation, Mr Cummings’ father confirmed that his son had travelled with his family from London to the North East and was self-isolating in part of the property.

“Durham Constabulary deemed that no further action was required. However, the officer did provide advice in relation to security issues.”

Given all the contact (allegedly) and ' no further action was required ' I wonder who decided to leak to the press and why, do we have another Union Scandal of "uw said what to Uw" and another big head (once exposed) "moving on to do other things"

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24 May 2020 14:06 #791 by howoldboy
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Best to believe a source in Number 10 over something like this.

Totally neutral.

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24 May 2020 14:13 #792 by thesilentone
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What, do you not mean Piers Morgan, he only ' talks facts '

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24 May 2020 14:16 #793 by Chilledsilly
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Hahaha ... climbing over each other to make excuses over his actions ...
So funny....

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24 May 2020 14:31 #794 by topstepwhinger
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Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

Taffy-P wrote: Attacking Steve Coogan all about Levinson press inquiry nothing more or nothing less


My opinion on Coogan is nothing to do with the Levinson enquiry,in fact I will admit I couldn't remember what the enquiry was about, no Coogan

is a cock of the highest order by his own achievements.


And yet the successful and award winning English actor, voice artist, comedian, screen writer and producer, though having different political views, won't have a bad word said about you.
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24 May 2020 16:35 #795 by Laffy
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The whole Cummings thing is a total distraction-and Boris is the frontman today.Lets bear the truth and move on

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24 May 2020 16:40 #796 by Chilledsilly
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Agreed ..
Yeh ... let's hear the truth from "Boris the liar "

I do agree about it being a distraction , just like the coogan rubbish

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24 May 2020 16:43 #797 by Chilledsilly
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PS.... very good of Boris to show up for a change ..
Very good of him .

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24 May 2020 16:51 #798 by Markovitch
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Its the police I feel for. How do you get people to obey the law when crap like Cummings simply ignores it when it doesn't suit him? No one is going to listen now, and why should they?
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24 May 2020 16:52 #799 by Laffy
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It’s going to be a long decade for you mate-

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24 May 2020 17:02 #800 by Arragorn
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Laffy if you think you will get the truth from Bojo you must still believe in Father Christmas & the Tooth Fairy.
He's about as trustworthy as the gang of 3!
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