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08 Jan 2020 03:09 #1 by Urban Designer
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Only 12 fired - proportionate after a US act of War?

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08 Jan 2020 06:02 #2 by Markovitch
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Boeing 737 crashed, story is the Iranians or the Americans accidentally took it out with a missile. Ukrainian air. All us flights over the middle east grounded

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08 Jan 2020 07:16 #3 by Waltero
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Or bad maintenance

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08 Jan 2020 08:08 #4 by BlueAl
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Urban Designer wrote: Only 12 fired - proportionate after a US act of War?

American act of war? My sympathies are with the American contractor killed by a rocket launched last week under the instructions of that goat botherer , who is now happily no longer with us. Maybe it doesn't matter, he was only an American.
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08 Jan 2020 08:49 - 08 Jan 2020 08:52 #5 by CCU
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Markovitch wrote: Boeing 737 crashed, story is the Iranians or the Americans accidentally took it out with a missile. Ukrainian air. All us flights over the middle east grounded


3 Brits amongst those onboard.

Normally Boeing would have folk flown to crash site for investigative work, be interesting to see if this happens given they’re a US company and the current hostility from Iran...

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08 Jan 2020 10:48 #6 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Boeing 737 crashed, story is the Iranians or the Americans accidentally took it out with a missile. Ukrainian air. All us flights over the middle east grounded


3 Brits amongst those onboard.

Normally Boeing would have folk flown to crash site for investigative work, be interesting to see if this happens given they’re a US company and the current hostility from Iran...


It's one hell of a coincidence if the two things aren't connected.

But I find it very funny that these incompetents have fired off 12 missiles and failed to kill or even injure a single American or even from what i can see do any significant damage to any of their bases

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08 Jan 2020 10:57 #7 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CCU wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Boeing 737 crashed, story is the Iranians or the Americans accidentally took it out with a missile. Ukrainian air. All us flights over the middle east grounded


3 Brits amongst those onboard.

Normally Boeing would have folk flown to crash site for investigative work, be interesting to see if this happens given they’re a US company and the current hostility from Iran...


It's one hell of a coincidence if the two things aren't connected.

But I find it very funny that these incompetents have fired off 12 missiles and failed to kill or even injure a single American or even from what i can see do any significant damage to any of their bases


I don't think they were aiming to injure or kill anyone. The missiles they used follow a ballistic trajectory, they knew the US would havep plenty of waning time to move people away from the area before it hit. They could have used a different method of attack that wouldn't have given so much warning, the fact they specifically used ballistic missiles suggests to me that it was about sending a message rather than trying to hit anyone.

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08 Jan 2020 11:12 #8 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Kessler wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CCU wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Boeing 737 crashed, story is the Iranians or the Americans accidentally took it out with a missile. Ukrainian air. All us flights over the middle east grounded


3 Brits amongst those onboard.

Normally Boeing would have folk flown to crash site for investigative work, be interesting to see if this happens given they’re a US company and the current hostility from Iran...




It's one hell of a coincidence if the two things aren't connected.

But I find it very funny that these incompetents have fired off 12 missiles and failed to kill or even injure a single American or even from what i can see do any significant damage to any of their bases


I don't think they were aiming to injure or kill anyone. The missiles they used follow a ballistic trajectory, they knew the US would havep plenty of waning time to move people away from the area before it hit. They could have used a different method of attack that wouldn't have given so much warning, the fact they specifically used ballistic missiles suggests to me that it was about sending a message rather than trying to hit anyone.


Aye, of course, you'd fire off a dozen ballistic missiles to show the world how incompetent you are ? either that or they really are shitting themselves of Donald and that button on his mobile phone.

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08 Jan 2020 11:16 #9 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Kessler wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CCU wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Boeing 737 crashed, story is the Iranians or the Americans accidentally took it out with a missile. Ukrainian air. All us flights over the middle east grounded


3 Brits amongst those onboard.

Normally Boeing would have folk flown to crash site for investigative work, be interesting to see if this happens given they’re a US company and the current hostility from Iran...




It's one hell of a coincidence if the two things aren't connected.

But I find it very funny that these incompetents have fired off 12 missiles and failed to kill or even injure a single American or even from what i can see do any significant damage to any of their bases


I don't think they were aiming to injure or kill anyone. The missiles they used follow a ballistic trajectory, they knew the US would havep plenty of waning time to move people away from the area before it hit. They could have used a different method of attack that wouldn't have given so much warning, the fact they specifically used ballistic missiles suggests to me that it was about sending a message rather than trying to hit anyone.


Aye, of course, you'd fire off a dozen ballistic missiles to show the world how incompetent you are ? either that or they really are shitting themselves of Donald and that button on his mobile phone.


And this just shows how utterly clueless you are about how things work in the real world. Away you go back to your fantasy world with your imaginary gangster friends who break in doors, let the grown ups discuss world events.

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08 Jan 2020 11:30 #10 by CCU
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Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...

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08 Jan 2020 11:31 #11 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.

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08 Jan 2020 11:37 #12 by CCU
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Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.


You just did when NS suggested similar!

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08 Jan 2020 11:42 #13 by Kessler
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CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.


You just did when NS suggested similar!


I wasn't disputing that. I was disagreeing with Barry's claim that the lack of any casualties was down to incompetence. They could have used a method of attack that would have given the US far less warning time, so the specific choice of ballistic missiles makes me think they were intending it as a message, a sort of warning shot.

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08 Jan 2020 12:04 #14 by Mush
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Kessler wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CCU wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Boeing 737 crashed, story is the Iranians or the Americans accidentally took it out with a missile. Ukrainian air. All us flights over the middle east grounded


3 Brits amongst those onboard.

Normally Boeing would have folk flown to crash site for investigative work, be interesting to see if this happens given they’re a US company and the current hostility from Iran...




It's one hell of a coincidence if the two things aren't connected.

But I find it very funny that these incompetents have fired off 12 missiles and failed to kill or even injure a single American or even from what i can see do any significant damage to any of their bases


I don't think they were aiming to injure or kill anyone. The missiles they used follow a ballistic trajectory, they knew the US would havep plenty of waning time to move people away from the area before it hit. They could have used a different method of attack that wouldn't have given so much warning, the fact they specifically used ballistic missiles suggests to me that it was about sending a message rather than trying to hit anyone.


Aye, of course, you'd fire off a dozen ballistic missiles to show the world how incompetent you are ? either that or they really are shitting themselves of Donald and that button on his mobile phone.


What his camera incase he takes a selfie?

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08 Jan 2020 12:09 #15 by Bluedevil
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Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.


You just did when NS suggested similar!


I wasn't disputing that. I was disagreeing with Barry's claim that the lack of any casualties was down to incompetence. They could have used a method of attack that would have given the US far less warning time, so the specific choice of ballistic missiles makes me think they were intending it as a message, a sort of warning shot.


Aye think your right there Kessler, but don't worry about Barry he's often sinks into his 'my dad can bash your dad' childish discussions.

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08 Jan 2020 12:11 #16 by pigeonpete
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Countries like Iran do not give warning shots

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08 Jan 2020 12:11 #17 by Kessler
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Bluedevil wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.


You just did when NS suggested similar!


I wasn't disputing that. I was disagreeing with Barry's claim that the lack of any casualties was down to incompetence. They could have used a method of attack that would have given the US far less warning time, so the specific choice of ballistic missiles makes me think they were intending it as a message, a sort of warning shot.


Aye think your right there Kessler, but don't worry about Barry he's often sinks into his 'my dad can bash your dad' childish discussions.


It's not a problem, he's just a keyboard warrior who I am happy to call out on his rubbish whenever he spouts it.

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08 Jan 2020 12:18 #18 by Markovitch
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Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.


Not true. The US will attack Iran with what? Their weapons systems were blocked by the Russians when they sailed through the strait of hormuz. Their armies are fighting in so many countries they are hugely over stretched. The US got its arse kicked in Syria. Iraq has told the US to leave and China is moving in. Long way from a foregone conclusion

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08 Jan 2020 12:51 #19 by thesilentone
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All Political tit for tat.

If the Iranians were serious they would just flood the World with cheap oil - if the yank sanctions allowed.

Wonder what Putin was doing in Syria, planning a game of Golf ?

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08 Jan 2020 13:10 #20 by chedderbob247
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Kessler is bang right here. Anybody who thinks that 'attack' by Iran was in any way meant to injure or kill anybody is kidding themselves (or are clueless).

Quite the opposite - the launch of the missiles was a de-escalation technique.

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08 Jan 2020 13:36 #21 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bluedevil wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.


You just did when NS suggested similar!


I wasn't disputing that. I was disagreeing with Barry's claim that the lack of any casualties was down to incompetence. They could have used a method of attack that would have given the US far less warning time, so the specific choice of ballistic missiles makes me think they were intending it as a message, a sort of warning shot.


Aye think your right there Kessler, but don't worry about Barry he's often sinks into his 'my dad can bash your dad' childish discussions.


Its called the way of the world son its how things work and I .ve ever said anything about my dad bashing anyone it would be pretty futile hes been dead 5 years.

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08 Jan 2020 13:46 #22 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote:

CCU wrote: Kessler, one magic password from Trump and they could demolish Iran in a couple of hours...


I don't see anyone disagreeing with that.


You just did when NS suggested similar!


I wasn't disputing that. I was disagreeing with Barry's claim that the lack of any casualties was down to incompetence. They could have used a method of attack that would have given the US far less warning time, so the specific choice of ballistic missiles makes me think they were intending it as a message, a sort of warning shot.


Aye think your right there Kessler, but don't worry about Barry he's often sinks into his 'my dad can bash your dad' childish discussions.


Its called the way of the world son its how things work and I .ve ever said anything about my dad bashing anyone it would be pretty futile hes been dead 5 years.


Maybe it's how things work inside your deluded fantasy world where you fancy yourself as a hardman. But the real world is different. Stop posting such utter rubbish.

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08 Jan 2020 13:54 #23 by sirjimmyglass
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There's a really, really good chance that this is not Iran's actual retaliation for the assassination; everybody can see through the fact that these strikes were nothing but lip service to the fact that they needed to respond quickly.

There's no way the average Iranian would accept this as adequate revenge, and I expect you'll see actual retaliation in the months (or even years) to come. Whether it comes with courtesy of Iran written all over it is another matter - as has been said the Americans could totally obliterate them with a push of a button and Trump's mad enough to do just that if it came to it.

This isn't over.

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08 Jan 2020 14:44 #24 by thesilentone
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Iran is claiming at least 80 Yanks are toast, plus helicopters and military equipment severely damaged - It's Vietnam all over again, fake news rules OK.........

80 'US terrorists' killed in attack: Iranian state TV

Iranian state television claimed that at least 80 "American terrorists" were killed in attacks involving 15 missiles Tehran launched on US targets in Iraq, adding that none of the missiles were intercepted. The claim could not be independently verified and the state television did not provide evidence of how it obtained that information.

Citing a senior Revolutionary Guards Corps source, the state television also said Iran had 100 other targets in the region in its sights if Washington took any retaliatory measures.

It also said US helicopters and military equipment were "severely damaged".

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08 Jan 2020 17:04 #25 by Kessler
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thesilentone wrote: Iran is claiming at least 80 Yanks are toast, plus helicopters and military equipment severely damaged - It's Vietnam all over again, fake news rules OK.........

80 'US terrorists' killed in attack: Iranian state TV

Iranian state television claimed that at least 80 "American terrorists" were killed in attacks involving 15 missiles Tehran launched on US targets in Iraq, adding that none of the missiles were intercepted. The claim could not be independently verified and the state television did not provide evidence of how it obtained that information.

Citing a senior Revolutionary Guards Corps source, the state television also said Iran had 100 other targets in the region in its sights if Washington took any retaliatory measures.

It also said US helicopters and military equipment were "severely damaged".


There won't have been any casualties. The kind of missiles used are ones that the US would have had plenty of warning time, enough to move people out of harms way. Iran knows that, and the fact they chose this specific method rather than a cruise missile attack (which would be harder to detect and give less time to react) makes me convinced they intended this as a sort of warning shot rather than a proper attempt at actually hitting people.

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08 Jan 2020 17:07 #26 by Laffy
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Worth watching the recent documentary on the assassinated one on IPlayer-made before the drone took him out

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08 Jan 2020 17:21 #27 by Oldbluenewblue
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Western capitalist greed is completley at fault for, not all, but the majority of middle eastern/Asian problems at the moment. Absolute farce. UK/USA....take a bow.
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08 Jan 2020 17:29 #28 by griff
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According to an expert interviewed earlier, Iran may even have warned the USA that an attack was coming. The aim is to keep US and other western forces cooped up and unable to operate. After a few months their Governments reckon there’s no point having them there and they’re withdrawn. Which is the Ayatollah’s main aim and he can claim a victory without actually killing anyone and starting a war. The fake news on Iranian TV is simply giving their people what they want.

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08 Jan 2020 17:34 #29 by seesaw50
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thesilentone wrote: Iran is claiming at least 80 Yanks are toast, plus helicopters and military equipment severely damaged - It's Vietnam all over again, fake news rules OK.........

80 'US terrorists' killed in attack: Iranian state TV

Iranian state television claimed that at least 80 "American terrorists" were killed in attacks involving 15 missiles Tehran launched on US targets in Iraq, adding that none of the missiles were intercepted. The claim could not be independently verified and the state television did not provide evidence of how it obtained that information.

Citing a senior Revolutionary Guards Corps source, the state television also said Iran had 100 other targets in the region in its sights if Washington took any retaliatory measures.

It also said US helicopters and military equipment were "severely damaged".


Properganda for domestic consumption to make them look like they're doing something against the big bad USA

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08 Jan 2020 17:35 #30 by seesaw50
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The Chemical Ali school of "News"

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08 Jan 2020 20:00 #31 by Markovitch
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Hm, so Iranian state television tells lies for local consumption but British state television tells the truth? Really?

New satellite imagery today released by @PlanetLabs shows five impact points at the Al Asad base targeted by Iranian missiles.

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08 Jan 2020 23:16 #32 by High Street
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As predictable as the tides.

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09 Jan 2020 08:47 #33 by CCU
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Laffy wrote: Worth watching the recent documentary on the assassinated one on IPlayer-made before the drone took him out


Aye, it’s a good view.

Link: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0003871

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09 Jan 2020 10:05 #34 by AlbertRoss
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All this goes back a long way. Middle East strategically vital to preserve our life style. Nobody ever just admits this, preferring to occupy moral high ground, whether it's critics of Blair, Bush, Trump, etc, or their supporters. The leaders never come out with it either, preferring rhetoric. Most nations do shitty things to survive. A lot of the issues with what used to be called Persia might be traceable to the 1953 coup:

www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/ci...le-1953-iranian-coup

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09 Jan 2020 18:13 #35 by Laffy
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Well it looks like that plane was shot down by the Iranians according to US reports

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09 Jan 2020 18:18 #36 by seesaw50
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Interesting the Ukrainians have requested British air accident investigators are involved.
If shot down there's going to be missile wreckage

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09 Jan 2020 18:49 #37 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: Well it looks like that plane was shot down by the Iranians according to US reports


Oh well if the US says it it must be true then!

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09 Jan 2020 19:30 #38 by lbtufty
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The US spreading faqih news?

"If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off."

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09 Jan 2020 19:48 #39 by Laffy
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I can predict who responds in which fashion-notably anti western Kes
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09 Jan 2020 20:05 #40 by Markovitch
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Team of 12 have already arrived. First analysis of black boxes show that at the time of the explosion the plane had lost contact with the tower and was heading back to the airport

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09 Jan 2020 20:07 #41 by CCU
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Trudeau says Missile:


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09 Jan 2020 21:18 #42 by chedderbob247
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Kessler wrote:

Laffy wrote: Well it looks like that plane was shot down by the Iranians according to US reports


Oh well if the US says it it must be true then!


Canada, The UK, Ukraine...How many more have to draw the same conclusion before you might accept it is a possibility? (Not saying that is what happened, but I would say there is a string chance it is).

Oh, by the way. You missed your opportunity to join me on the way back to South America to look at socialism in the flesh. As you didn't dignify my invitation with a response, I wondered, would you be interested in a short 5 minute survey as to your reasons for blanking the subject and invite all together?

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09 Jan 2020 21:40 #43 by Markovitch
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Iraqi intelligence has come out and said it was hit by a missile

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What the invite?

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09 Jan 2020 21:43 #45 by Markovitch
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Video of the explosion

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09 Jan 2020 22:52 #46 by topstepwhinger
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Kessler wrote:

Laffy wrote: Well it looks like that plane was shot down by the Iranians according to US reports


Oh well if the US says it it must be true then!


Not just the US by the looks of it Kes.
Honestly who would you believe, the US, Canada, what seems like most of Europe or that most virtuous of Republics, Iran.

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10 Jan 2020 04:20 #47 by Kessler
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topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Laffy wrote: Well it looks like that plane was shot down by the Iranians according to US reports


Oh well if the US says it it must be true then!


Not just the US by the looks of it Kes.
Honestly who would you believe, the US, Canada, what seems like most of Europe or that most virtuous of Republics, Iran.


None of them.

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10 Jan 2020 07:23 #48 by Markovitch
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topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Laffy wrote: Well it looks like that plane was shot down by the Iranians according to US reports


Oh well if the US says it it must be true then!


Not just the US by the looks of it Kes.
Honestly who would you believe, the US, Canada, what seems like most of Europe or that most virtuous of Republics, Iran.


You would believe the people who lied to you about Vietnam, Iraq, helabjah and who have killed nearly a million across the middle east. You would believe Boris who has fired from every job he ever had for lying? Dear God

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10 Jan 2020 07:40 #49 by Oldbluenewblue
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The west is all about corporate greed

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10 Jan 2020 08:51 #50 by carwash
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Marko, I don't think you can use the ill-fated US involvement in Vietnam as any sort of precedent for what Trump may say or do. Especially as he personally avoided going there.

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