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11 Jan 2020 08:18 #101 by Laffy
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It must be true then-have you been radicalised Kess?A cocktail of Corbyn,Scargill,Venezuelan and Iranian thinking.

You don’t shoot down planes with sophisticated missiles ‘by mistake’.

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11 Jan 2020 08:23 #102 by Markovitch
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Let's not forget the Americans dropped nuclear bombs on North carolina. They shelled the Chinese embassy in Belgrade thinking it was a cinema and how many civilians have they killed? 250 at a wedding they drone attacked by accident

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11 Jan 2020 08:44 #103 by Laffy
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I’m not talking about the US Marko so stop diluting things as usual.Given the ‘mistake’ we can see why nuclear capability in Iran is problematic

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11 Jan 2020 08:44 #104 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: You don’t shoot down planes with sophisticated missiles ‘by mistake’.


That's not true. It's entirely possible to shoot down a civilian plane by mistake. The US once did it to an Iranian passenger plane after mistaking it for a jet fighter. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_Air_Flight_655

Have you ever been in a situation Laffy where you are tasked with protecting people and you have to make a split second decision, with your own life and the lives of many others all dependent on you making the right call? That's the position Iranian SAM operators are in. It's an impossibly hard task to do, all you can really do is try to find a balance and make the best decision you can with the available information you have at the time. But you can't get it right every time. It's easy for you to judge in hindsight but the people firing didn't have that luxury. If the plane had been part of a US attack and they didn't fire on it, they would now be getting blamed for having failed to stop an attack which killed many other Iranians. If the government says they have shot it down by accident, I see no reason to disbelief that unless you have some hard evidence to suggest otherwise, or you're a conspiracy theorist who actually thinks governments go around deliberately shooting down passenger planes on a whim.

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11 Jan 2020 08:46 #105 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: I’m not talking about the US Marko so stop diluting things as usual.Given the ‘mistake’ we can see why nuclear capability in Iran is problematic


You might not want to talk about the US, but the incident where they shot down an Iranian passenger plane is relevant as it disproves your assertion that you can't make such a mistake wit "sophisticated missiles".

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11 Jan 2020 09:34 #106 by Markovitch
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Why is nuclear capacity Iran any more problematic than in the US or the UK? How many countries have they invaded? How many foreign women and children have they killed?

Harvard University students, the biggest threat to world peace is the US
www.foxnews.com/us/twisted-ivy-harvard-s...orld-peace-than-isis

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11 Jan 2020 09:52 #107 by Laffy
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There was a guy on Sky last night-an expert in missives, explaining why it wasn’t a mistake-this before they admitted it was them-after denying all knowledge.

The problem for regimes like this is the mobile phone-it’s impossible to cover this stuff up anymore.

I wonder how that British hostage is feeling this morning Kess-have a think about her.Incarcerated for what?

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11 Jan 2020 09:54 #108 by High Street
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Anything better than a five year old Fox ‘news article?

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11 Jan 2020 09:55 #109 by Laffy
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Tragic incompetence the likely culprit for Tehran air disaster

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bd474212-331e-11ea-b8ef-1301adfca080

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11 Jan 2020 10:17 #110 by Vogel
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Laffy wrote: There was a guy on Sky last night-an expert in missives, explaining why it wasn’t a mistake-this before they admitted it was them-after denying all knowledge.

The problem for regimes like this is the mobile phone-it’s impossible to cover this stuff up anymore.

I wonder how that British hostage is feeling this morning Kess-have a think about her.Incarcerated for what?


Still feeling depressed about Boris’s intervention I would imagine or in NS’s world back where she should be.
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11 Jan 2020 10:19 #111 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: There was a guy on Sky last night-an expert in missives, explaining why it wasn’t a mistake-this before they admitted it was them-after denying all knowledge.

The problem for regimes like this is the mobile phone-it’s impossible to cover this stuff up anymore.

I wonder how that British hostage is feeling this morning Kess-have a think about her.Incarcerated for what?


Then he's wrong, because mistakes like this can and do happen, just like when the US shot down an Iranian plane thinking it was a F14. Also I notice you didn't answer the question. Have you ever had to make life or death decisions Laffy? Have you ever been responsible for the safety of thousands and had to make a split second decision based on incomplete information about a possible threat? Knowing that whatever decision you make, armchair experts around the world will judge you for it once they've had the benefit of hindsight and much longer to mull over what their decision would have been?

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11 Jan 2020 10:34 #112 by Scratcherblue
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I must have missed it when the UK or US publicly stated the wanted to wipe another country off the face of the earth.

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11 Jan 2020 10:38 #113 by Kessler
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Scratcherblue wrote: I must have missed it when the UK or US publicly stated the wanted to wipe another country off the face of the earth.


Take a look at Libya and Iraq, two countries the UK and US just about HAVE wiped out! But hey, an Iranian politician once made an empty threat on a stage so clearly that's worse.

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11 Jan 2020 10:45 #114 by topstepwhinger
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Kessler wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote: Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.


But the "regime" in Britain also keeps people in poverty. Look around you at the record levels of homelessness and poverty, why would a government do that to its own people?


Kes, you really do need to get out more, unless you are trying to dethrone the likes of NS from the top of the wind-up/ b******t leader board.
How exactly is our 'regime keeping us in poverty'?
Cue lots of posts on minimum wage/living wage/zero hour contracts etc, no doubt.
You should think yourself lucky to live in the UK, where the opportunities are here if you choose to take them.

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11 Jan 2020 10:55 #115 by Kessler
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topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote: Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.


But the "regime" in Britain also keeps people in poverty. Look around you at the record levels of homelessness and poverty, why would a government do that to its own people?


Kes, you really do need to get out more, unless you are trying to dethrone the likes of NS from the top of the wind-up/ b******t leader board.
How exactly is our 'regime keeping us in poverty'?
Cue lots of posts on minimum wage/living wage/zero hour contracts etc, no doubt.
You should think yourself lucky to live in the UK, where the opportunities are here if you choose to take them.


So how exactly is the Iranian government keeping people in poverty? There are some rich Iranians, does that mean the ones in poverty simply failed to take advantage of the opportunities? It's like you are blaming the Iranian government for poverty in their country, but blaming poverty in this country on the people themselves. So is poverty the fault of the government, or the people in poverty themselves? You cannot have this both ways.

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11 Jan 2020 11:07 #116 by Sammy Taylor
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Kessler........You may not appreciate it but being born in this country you won the lottery of life just like the rest of us.
For all our problems there is no other country in the world i would rather live.

So stop whingeing and get out enjoy and make the most of it.
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11 Jan 2020 11:09 #117 by Kessler
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Sammy Taylor wrote: Kessler........You may not appreciate it but being born in this country you won the lottery of life just like the rest of us.
For all our problems there is no other country in the world i would rather live.

So stop whingeing and get out enjoy and make the most of it.


So any Iranian who is unhappy with their government should just go out and enjoy and make the most of it then?

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11 Jan 2020 11:09 #118 by Scratcherblue
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Oh did the UK and us publicly state they wanted to wipe those countries off the map Kes. I must have missed that too.

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11 Jan 2020 11:11 #119 by Kessler
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Scratcherblue wrote: Oh did the UK and us publicly state they wanted to wipe those countries off the map Kes. I must have missed that too.


Oh so it's ok for the US and UK to completely destroy countries as long as they don't publicly say they want to? Iran made a serious but ultimately empty threat. The US and the UK talk about democracy and freedom, but keep bombing those who don't want us interfering in their lands. Which is worse?

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11 Jan 2020 11:26 #120 by Kessler
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Iran’s Prosecutor General Mohammad Jafar Montazeri ordered Tehran’s military court to conduct a swift investigation into the incident.

Seems like judiciary will be investigating whether the accident was avoidable or not, and if not the people involved will be punished. Whatever your personal thoughts on Iran are, it does look promising that they are holding an investigation.

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11 Jan 2020 11:28 #121 by Markovitch
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Scratcherblue wrote: I must have missed it when the UK or US publicly stated the wanted to wipe another country off the face of the earth.


Why are we there then? Biggest education cuts since the 70s, biggest health cuts as a proportion of gdp since the inception of the NHS but can spend 2bn in Syria.

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11 Jan 2020 11:30 #122 by Scratcherblue
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So Kes if Iran had nuclear weapons it would still be an empty threat? You would be happy for Iran to have nuclear weapons?

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11 Jan 2020 11:31 #123 by Kessler
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Markovitch wrote:

Scratcherblue wrote: I must have missed it when the UK or US publicly stated the wanted to wipe another country off the face of the earth.


Why are we there then? Biggest education cuts since the 70s, biggest health cuts as a proportion of gdp since the inception of the NHS but can spend 2bn in Syria.


Apparently poverty in Iran is the governments fault, but poverty in Britain is the peoples own fault for not "taking their opportunities". I love a classic double standard.

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11 Jan 2020 11:36 #124 by Kessler
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Scratcherblue wrote: So Kes if Iran had nuclear weapons it would still be an empty threat? You would be happy for Iran to have nuclear weapons?


Yes, because that would mean they had a proper deterrent against US aggression. As Libya and Iraq showed us, if a nation doesn't have nuclear weapons they are vulnerable to attack when the US decides it wants their resources. But if Iran had nuclear weapons, nobody would dare attack them. Remember that the US is the one country who has actually intentionally dropped nuclear weapons on civilians, but apparently Iran is the bad guy for wanting to be able to defend itself.

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11 Jan 2020 11:52 #125 by topstepwhinger
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Kessler wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote: Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.


But the "regime" in Britain also keeps people in poverty. Look around you at the record levels of homelessness and poverty, why would a government do that to its own people?


Kes, you really do need to get out more, unless you are trying to dethrone the likes of NS from the top of the wind-up/ b******t leader board.
How exactly is our 'regime keeping us in poverty'?
Cue lots of posts on minimum wage/living wage/zero hour contracts etc, no doubt.
You should think yourself lucky to live in the UK, where the opportunities are here if you choose to take them.


So how exactly is the Iranian government keeping people in poverty? There are some rich Iranians, does that mean the ones in poverty simply failed to take advantage of the opportunities? It's like you are blaming the Iranian government for poverty in their country, but blaming poverty in this country on the people themselves. So is poverty the fault of the government, or the people in poverty themselves? You cannot have this both ways.


Kes, I wasn't saying that the Iranian government were keeping their people in poverty. I was responding to you saying 'our regime were keeping our people in poverty', a comment I don't think you can justify.
I don't necessarily agree with some of the West's 'interference' in the Middle East, but when a regime is systematically slaughtering its own people are we expected to stand back and let it happen? Cue the sceptics coming on to say 'yeah but we are only interfering because they have oil'
What would you do?

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11 Jan 2020 12:00 #126 by Kessler
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topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote: Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.


But the "regime" in Britain also keeps people in poverty. Look around you at the record levels of homelessness and poverty, why would a government do that to its own people?


Kes, you really do need to get out more, unless you are trying to dethrone the likes of NS from the top of the wind-up/ b******t leader board.
How exactly is our 'regime keeping us in poverty'?
Cue lots of posts on minimum wage/living wage/zero hour contracts etc, no doubt.
You should think yourself lucky to live in the UK, where the opportunities are here if you choose to take them.


So how exactly is the Iranian government keeping people in poverty? There are some rich Iranians, does that mean the ones in poverty simply failed to take advantage of the opportunities? It's like you are blaming the Iranian government for poverty in their country, but blaming poverty in this country on the people themselves. So is poverty the fault of the government, or the people in poverty themselves? You cannot have this both ways.


Kes, I wasn't saying that the Iranian government were keeping their people in poverty. I was responding to you saying 'our regime were keeping our people in poverty', a comment I don't think you can justify.
I don't necessarily agree with some of the West's 'interference' in the Middle East, but when a regime is systematically slaughtering its own people are we expected to stand back and let it happen? Cue the sceptics coming on to say 'yeah but we are only interfering because they have oil'
What would you do?


But the government aren't slaughtering their own people, that's generally just a lie that Western governments spread every time they want to attack a country. They used the exact same story in Libya where Gaddafi was allegedly killing civilians only it turns out the "civilians" were terrorists. And they tried it unsuccessfully in Syria too. To put this into context, it's like saying "The British regime is killing its own people" because our military attacked the IRA in the past and some of those IRA members had British citizenship.

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11 Jan 2020 12:04 #127 by topstepwhinger
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'Every time they want to attack a country' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What, just for the hell of it?
Give me a break.

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11 Jan 2020 12:18 #128 by Laffy
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One of the benefits of a bike is you can’t read the utter shite that comes out of Kess when you are on it.

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11 Jan 2020 12:20 #129 by Laffy
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Oil is a big player now-more so than ever.Why?Because Trump doesn’t need oil or gas anymore-plenty in US with shale

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11 Jan 2020 12:24 #130 by Oldbluenewblue
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Laffy wrote: One of the benefits of a bike is you can’t read the utter shite that comes out of Kess when you are on it.


You seem to have the prevalent view that what you say has a higher standing than anyone else

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11 Jan 2020 12:32 #131 by Oldbluenewblue
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From the diary of a pre-pubescent teenager and his rattled cage

In reply to lappy. You are correct. Your political views dont have anything to do with the takeover. Its your moral compass. You dont seem to have one.

What gives, in this instance Trump, in 2003 Bush and Blair, the right to be, shall we say, be kingmaker, who lives, who dies.

Soleimani was by not by any means a nice guy. Im led to believe quite barbaric as are a lot of inhabitants of the middle eastern region, but again we in the west dont have the divine right to appease ourselves just because we believe our way of life is supposedly better and that everyone wants to live in a free market 'democratic' capitalist state. They dont. And i can tell you first hand, they dont.

Referring back to your tough love approach. Firstly in my history lesson i was told of a man circa 1952/53 that was democratically elected in his country and was much loved by all accounts and heralded. Just in his stupidity he wanted to keep what belonged to his country to make it a better place. But blow me away. He was deposed. Long story short, this country is Iran and now we are, where we are. Make your own assumptions and join the dots and please correct me if i got anything wrong.

Also if we as divine kingmakers lappy, why on earth have we stopped meddling in north korea. Why dont we infer our tough love on that authoritarian socialist regime that is china or that mildly democratic country of russia. And if you want you might as well throw Saudi Arabia in their for good measure. Because i mean they can be as oppressive as they want long as they keep them oil pipelines trickling

Referring back to our own country. Yes the tories won. I for one hope it works out and the country is a better place for the last 10 years and counting of austerity. Can i see it happening. Not really.

As is evident, money makes the world go round and naturally there is going to be a divide. Some people start in a more advantageous position, some people back winners, some people just dont have the opportunity laid in front of them. Some people just dont have the wherewithal to achieve what others find second nature.

Now im all for betterment and achieving the most for yourself, this rampant capitilist culture is a breeding ground for it. This shouldnt mean that we shouldnt care for and provide for people who arent as fortunate. You seem to have an 'im alright attitude'

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11 Jan 2020 12:36 #132 by Oldbluenewblue
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To surmise im glad your morals and your money isnt behind Carlisle United.

In regards to cutting off the snakes head....maybe we are cutting off the wrong one.

Maybe we should clean up our own house before we attempt to enter somebody elses

If im wrong please tell me so. Open to criticism of opinion and to be corrected if need be

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11 Jan 2020 12:39 #133 by Oldbluenewblue
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While im here. Northern soul. You are funny

And Alan. I could be wrong but il hazardous a guess that i integrate more in the real world than you

History always shows up who was in the wrong. We can believe whichever side we want but to stupidly believe youre better than somebody else or what we have is better is always the downfall.....this applies to everyone

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11 Jan 2020 12:40 #134 by Vogel
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I for one am happy to give Lappy credit for being out on his bike in this weather. Fair play to him unless it was a tandem and a minion was doing all the work on the front.
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11 Jan 2020 12:49 #135 by High Street
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Oldtrollnewtroll

Has Kes been recruiting through her Whatsapp group?
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11 Jan 2020 12:59 #136 by Oldbluenewblue
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High Street wrote: Oldtrollnewtroll

Has Kes been recruiting through her Whatsapp group?


Hit the nail on the head there mate.

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11 Jan 2020 14:18 #137 by Laffy
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Record time into Newcastle today.Slowest time on record on way back.

I think I have a moral compass-sadly there are many capitalists who don’t-the obvious recent example being Persimmon who have forgotten why they exist in the pursuit of profit.In contrast,Greggs who paid their staff an unexpected nice bonus last week.As I have said before.all the businesses in which I have involvement have share schemes for all staff.

I was right about Boris-a winner and he won so let’s get over it.Its now down to him to be fair and inclusive-I think most people want a fairer society and he needs to find a way without simply passing go and collecting £200.

I was also right about Corbyn-an abject loser and pathologically anti western.He may be gentle and caring but his unpatriotic position lost him many seats.

Said before-read ‘The Future of Capitalism’-it will make you think about how businesses should operate in the interests of society.

I simply don’t get this love in with Iran.Even their Supreme Leader is unbelievably claiming today he knew nothing about the missile until last night-despite authorising bulldozers to clear the site up to hide the evidence.Mind you Blair tried that one with WMD and Iraq.Might have worked when we had black and white tellies but the mobile phone is a powerful thing.The fact is Iranians sponsor terrorism from the top-I’m sure most Iranians are nice people but there were hundreds of thousands in a bad mood demonstrating last week.

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11 Jan 2020 16:57 #138 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Kessler wrote:

Laffy wrote: There was a guy on Sky last night-an expert in missives, explaining why it wasn’t a mistake-this before they admitted it was them-after denying all knowledge.

The problem for regimes like this is the mobile phone-it’s impossible to cover this stuff up anymore.

I wonder how that British hostage is feeling this morning Kess-have a think about her.Incarcerated for what?


Then he's wrong, because mistakes like this can and do happen, just like when the US shot down an Iranian plane thinking it was a F14. Also I notice you didn't answer the question. Have you ever had to make life or death decisions Laffy? Have you ever been responsible for the safety of thousands and had to make a split second decision based on incomplete information about a possible threat? Knowing that whatever decision you make, armchair experts around the world will judge you for it once they've had the benefit of hindsight and much longer to mull over what their decision would have been?


Maybe we should insist they invest in VAR

As for the weapon system supposedly involved they need to come out and say which version was actually responsible as according to an expert on tv yesterday they procured x number of units of it but now apparently they have double that. The explanation given is that they've built new launchers and have the missiles but what they don't have is knowledge to replicate the launch system electronics and have substituted the sophisticated set up that came with the system for a very basic version and that is what was responsible for this weeks "accident"

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11 Jan 2020 17:42 #139 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Laffy wrote: There was a guy on Sky last night-an expert in missives, explaining why it wasn’t a mistake-this before they admitted it was them-after denying all knowledge.

The problem for regimes like this is the mobile phone-it’s impossible to cover this stuff up anymore.

I wonder how that British hostage is feeling this morning Kess-have a think about her.Incarcerated for what?


Then he's wrong, because mistakes like this can and do happen, just like when the US shot down an Iranian plane thinking it was a F14. Also I notice you didn't answer the question. Have you ever had to make life or death decisions Laffy? Have you ever been responsible for the safety of thousands and had to make a split second decision based on incomplete information about a possible threat? Knowing that whatever decision you make, armchair experts around the world will judge you for it once they've had the benefit of hindsight and much longer to mull over what their decision would have been?


Maybe we should insist they invest in VAR

As for the weapon system supposedly involved they need to come out and say which version was actually responsible as according to an expert on tv yesterday they procured x number of units of it but now apparently they have double that. The explanation given is that they've built new launchers and have the missiles but what they don't have is knowledge to replicate the launch system electronics and have substituted the sophisticated set up that came with the system for a very basic version and that is what was responsible for this weeks "accident"


Could be. It's difficult to know for sure what exactly they have because they produce a lot of their military stuff in-house due to sanctions and are notoriously secretive and misleading about their capabilities. I remember they unveiled a "stealth fighter" a few years ago that looked similar to the F22. That's where the similarities ended though, as experts concluded the cockpit was too small for a pilot and the thing wouldn't actually be capable of flight.

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12 Jan 2020 09:13 #140 by Oldbluenewblue
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Okay sound. You help your staff. Incentivise them. Work harder. Play harder. Which in my opinion, if we are in a position to do so, we should all endeavour to do. So you do a good thing.

Its coming out with statements that imply what trump is doing, killing adversaries, by being a self made world kingmaker, is immoral. Hes as bad as they are. The world in my opinion, has no place for religious, extreme fanaticism as much it shouldnt have for rampant free market capitalism whereby the above mentioned think they have the right to impose their will and way of life on others. I dont have the answer as to how its solvable, but it has a lot more to do with the west using their ideologies in a more productive and beneficial way. Because lets face it. The majority of these asian/middle eastern countries have always harboured a very small minority of extremists and through our own actions/inactions we are giving them justifiable cause to implode.

The Boris/tory thing. He has 5 years. I hope he does the job he is meant to. And delivers for all people. I dont believe he will. But we wait and see.

Corbyn. He is pro peace. Anti establishment. Wants everyone to have a chance at life. I think that is undeniable. He definitely could have been more stronger and comes across as weak which when youre up against pathological liars and a poor brexit position you aint going to do well.

Id still rather be friends with corbyn over boris you know which of those two men would always stand by your side.

That book you mention, is it the one by paul collier? Il go grab it and have a read and let you know

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12 Jan 2020 15:12 #141 by Laffy
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That’s the book

There is a piece in it about British values-notably northern ones, and they total 6 or 7.Corbyn only has 2-care and equality.The key one missing is patriotism-why I think most northern towns voted Blue.

Anyway, that book has changed the way I look at things-for the better I hope

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12 Jan 2020 16:33 - 12 Jan 2020 21:59 #142 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: That’s the book

There is a piece in it about British values-notably northern ones, and they total 6 or 7.Corbyn only has 2-care and equality.The key one missing is patriotism-why I think most northern towns voted Blue.

Anyway, that book has changed the way I look at things-for the better I hope


I don't get the bit about Corbyn and care he comes across to me as if hed shit on his mother if it meant a couple of points in his approval ratings

The word that immediately comes to mind with me is cold.

And the bit about the whole wife thing where nobody even knows what she looks like like is just weird. Does he really believe if hed ever got elected that hed of been able to sneak her in and out of the back door of No 10 every morning?

Mind you there's none of the candidates exactly inspire confidence or come across as normal either was fun this morning watching Starmer deny that he's a millionaire and I wondered how long it would be before the pictures of those union jacks reappeared and it looks as if Emily gobshite is toast before it even gets going. Then we have the supposed black bloke who clearly wishes his mother hadn't scrubbed him with bleach every morning.

And that just leaves us with the three women lets start with the Brummie I can't watch her without thinking if she got beyond one knife fork and spoon shed be lost. Then we have good old Lisa who everyone loves except he own constituents that is who think shes a condescending cow who puts them down at every opportunity which leaves us with Rebbecca Non-Entity Bailey hell I bet Boris is praying that it's her if it is I bet he.ll have her in tears within a month at PMQ.s. And then this morning who do we see come out of hiding now the elections over yes Lancasters very own Cat whatshername just where do they find these bloody people there's not one that you'd want to be in the trenches with just as the Hun were reaching you with bayonets fixed.

But credit where its due where after our run in last year I got a tap on the back in Rawtenstall yesterday and it was none other than the newly re-elected Mr Jake Berry asking if I was happy with the election result and surprisingly wasn't very complimentary about our new conservative MP admitting that Graham Jones was a bloody good constituency MP who didn't deserve to be beaten in the way that he was [ i believe Berry has history within the Tory party with her father and puppetmaster ]
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12 Jan 2020 16:38 #143 by Bluedazblue
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Read Tom Bower's book about Corbyn.

It's great exposé.

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