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10 Jan 2020 09:18 #51 by Markovitch
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I think you are absolutely correct. But the guy's post was that we can trust the US/UK Governments whereas the Iranians are proven to be untrustworthy! Nothing short of madness! All as bad as each other!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931

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10 Jan 2020 09:44 #52 by Laffy
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I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so

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10 Jan 2020 10:25 #53 by topstepwhinger
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Markovitch wrote: I think you are absolutely correct. But the guy's post was that we can trust the US/UK Governments whereas the Iranians are proven to be untrustworthy! Nothing short of madness! All as bad as each other!

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident

www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931


'That guy' did not say such a thing - he doesn't trust any politician.
All he can do is consider what we do know, what we don't know and hope that the truth will come out.

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10 Jan 2020 13:13 #54 by AlbertRoss
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We have to be strong to survive but let's not talk about virtue or truth, unless it's to admit that the middle East has been our strategic plaything for ages. Those who protested about Blair and Iraq were quite happy to enjoy the benefits of this realpolitik. On the other side, those who demonize Iraq, Iran etc are happy to ignore the extent to which we have created or abetted these issues.
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10 Jan 2020 13:34 #55 by Markovitch
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Laffy wrote: I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so


Certainly seems unlikely the Americans or Israelis could sneak in a missile. Odd the Americans haven't shown any video footage though. Their satellites can read beer bottle labels from space, they showed Iranian rowing boats moving in the Straits of Hormuz but as with MH 17 nothing here. A wee bit odd.

www.rt.com/op-ed/477875-iran-plane-crash-media-narrative/

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10 Jan 2020 13:46 #56 by orfc
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Markovitch wrote:

Laffy wrote: I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so


Certainly seems unlikely the Americans or Israelis could sneak in a missile. Odd the Americans haven't shown any video footage though. Their satellites can read beer bottle labels from space, they showed Iranian rowing boats moving in the Straits of Hormuz but as with MH 17 nothing here. A wee bit odd.

www.rt.com/op-ed/477875-iran-plane-crash-media-narrative/


Because it was at night?

Doubtless they have infrared satellites, but longer wavelengths than visible light mean coarser resolution, and they can't penetrate clouds if any were about

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10 Jan 2020 14:23 #57 by Markovitch
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The buk missile in Ukraine was the size of sofa, burned at 2200c and was in the air nearly 20minutes.

They get round cloud by using multiple satellites and radar imaging. We never had a security report in Afghanistan without images and its cloudy all through winter

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10 Jan 2020 14:50 #58 by Dancingbear
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What do you think has happened then Marko?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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10 Jan 2020 14:56 #59 by Markovitch
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I don't know. The plane wasn't one of these max ones with navigation issues, it had just been serviced and the crew were experienced. Logic says the Iranians shot it down accidentally, but let's see
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10 Jan 2020 16:11 #60 by Oldbluenewblue
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Laffy wrote: I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so


Are you implying that someone needs to put up a stern hand against Iran.

Just getting facts straight before you throw around your lawyers.

Reality would show that its USA that needs some tough loving.

But you being a tough loving tory probably cant see through your blinkers.

Also im glad your investment in Carlisle failed. Wouldnt want someone with morals like yours in charge or have anything to do with the club
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10 Jan 2020 16:23 #61 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Oldbluenewblue wrote:

Laffy wrote: I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so


Are you implying that someone needs to put up a stern hand against Iran.

Just getting facts straight before you throw around your lawyers.

Reality would show that its USA that needs some tough loving.

But you being a tough loving tory probably cant see through your blinkers.

Also im glad your investment in Carlisle failed. Wouldnt want someone with morals like yours in charge or have anything to do with the club


OOOOOw Errrrrrr That's you told Andrew

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10 Jan 2020 16:40 #62 by ParcelPete
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Quite a few on here have said they are glad Laffy's takeover failed due to his political or other views as if they know Jenkins views on anything.
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10 Jan 2020 16:59 #63 by Laffy
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The old saying ‘never bet against the dollar’ rarely fails to deliver.

Trump is playing a blinder in my view.You might not like him, or his rhetoric, but he is a great ally and is standing up against a terrible regime.The assassinated one was basically playing dare-and Trump obliged by torching him, cutting the head off the snake.

I expect a detente in the next few months and life will return to normal-save for the Iranians who will be fighting an uprising in their own patch.The internet is a great leveller and most Iranians want what we in the west enjoy.

Quite what this view has to do with a floundering football club is beyond me.Likewise voting Tory-guess what?We won by a landslide and it is you and your bankrupt socialist ideologies that lost.In my experience, backing winners usually delivers.

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10 Jan 2020 17:10 #64 by thesilentone
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All this will help the markets force up the oil price, Mr Comb-Over laughing all the way to the bank.......

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10 Jan 2020 17:12 #65 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: The old saying ‘never bet against the dollar’ rarely fails to deliver.

Trump is playing a blinder in my view.You might not like him, or his rhetoric, but he is a great ally and is standing up against a terrible regime.The assassinated one was basically playing dare-and Trump obliged by torching him, cutting the head off the snake.

I expect a detente in the next few months and life will return to normal-save for the Iranians who will be fighting an uprising in their own patch.The internet is a great leveller and most Iranians want what we in the west enjoy.

Quite what this view has to do with a floundering football club is beyond me.Likewise voting Tory-guess what?We won by a landslide and it is you and your bankrupt socialist ideologies that lost.In my experience, backing winners usually delivers.


And what is it we are enjoying in the West then? Record levels of homelessness, poverty, inequality? An economy where most of us struggle to get by while the rich have a brilliant life hoarding the wealth we made them? Most Iranians don't want that. I'm afraid you've been hoodwinked by British state propaganda and lies Laffy, most Iranians prefer their own government to the kind of Western "democracy" we're trying to foist upon them without their consent, after seeing how that alleged democracy destroyed Libya and Iraq. Two very successful countries that are now in ruins because of the West.

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10 Jan 2020 17:20 #66 by pie
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Markovitch wrote: Team of 12 have already arrived. First analysis of black boxes show that at the time of the explosion the plane had lost contact with the tower and was heading back to the airport


Where was this from Marko? Following with interest over here for personal reasons but CBS reporting (from Iran’s state news) that black box wasn’t to be opened until later today? Also suggested no investigators around and not much been done at the scene of the accident except fetch a digger in to take bits away and fail to cordon it off!

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10 Jan 2020 17:23 #67 by Urban Designer
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Bitcoin also surged - bet there's a load of prepares or whatever you call them hoping for a war!

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10 Jan 2020 17:27 #68 by Markovitch
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Go to reddit, then syriancivilwar. Mass of info there

pbs.twimg.com/media/EN7cNA0VUAEn-TG?format=jpg&name=900x900

NYT: American satellites, designed to track missile launches, detected the firing of the Iranian short-range interceptor. US intelligence agencies later picked up Iranian communications confirming the system brought down Ukrainian airliner, officials said.



Civic Aviation of Iran invites all involved parties to help with investigation: Ukraine, France, Sweden, Canada, and America
www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments...nvites_all_involved/
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10 Jan 2020 17:27 #69 by Laffy
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Oh really Kess-last time I looked,Iranians were rebelling in the streets.If it’s that amazing, I will get you a one way ticket.

I urge you to watch the documentary on the assassinated one on BBC4

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10 Jan 2020 17:31 #70 by Markovitch
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French are revolting in the streets, yellow jackets started in November 2018, still ongoing, 8000 police on permanent duty

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10 Jan 2020 17:34 #71 by topstepwhinger
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Oldbluenewblue wrote:

Laffy wrote: I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so


Are you implying that someone needs to put up a stern hand against Iran.

Just getting facts straight before you throw around your lawyers.

Reality would show that its USA that needs some tough loving.

But you being a tough loving tory probably cant see through your blinkers.

Also im glad your investment in Carlisle failed. Wouldnt want someone with morals like yours in charge or have anything to do with the club


Wow, who rattled your cage - I hope it is secure.

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10 Jan 2020 17:34 #72 by Laffy
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We know-but at least you can walk down the street in relative safety

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10 Jan 2020 17:49 #73 by topstepwhinger
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Kessler wrote:

Laffy wrote: The old saying ‘never bet against the dollar’ rarely fails to deliver.

Trump is playing a blinder in my view.You might not like him, or his rhetoric, but he is a great ally and is standing up against a terrible regime.The assassinated one was basically playing dare-and Trump obliged by torching him, cutting the head off the snake.

I expect a detente in the next few months and life will return to normal-save for the Iranians who will be fighting an uprising in their own patch.The internet is a great leveller and most Iranians want what we in the west enjoy.



Quite what this view has to do with a floundering football club is beyond me.Likewise voting Tory-guess what?We won by a landslide and it is you and your bankrupt socialist ideologies that lost.In my experience, backing winners usually delivers.


And what is it we are enjoying in the West then? Record levels of homelessness, poverty, inequality? An economy where most of us struggle to get by while the rich have a brilliant life hoarding the wealth we made them? Most Iranians don't want that. I'm afraid you've been hoodwinked by British state propaganda and lies Laffy, most Iranians prefer their own government to the kind of Western "democracy" we're trying to foist upon them without their consent, after seeing how that alleged democracy destroyed Libya and Iraq. Two very successful countries that are now in ruins because of the West.


Kes, if you think inequality, poverty and homelessness are bad here, you need to travel a bit more.
Oh, I also think you shouldn't have bunked off from your history lessons.

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10 Jan 2020 17:52 #74 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: Oh really Kess-last time I looked,Iranians were rebelling in the streets.If it’s that amazing, I will get you a one way ticket.


Then look again. There are some Iranians protesting against the government, but that happens in every country. There were protests in the UK the day after the election, it hardly means the country is "rebelling".

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10 Jan 2020 18:03 #75 by Laffy
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Sounds like a blast-read this Kes, you utterly deluded clown

www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/irans-wea...180120141446366.html

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10 Jan 2020 18:18 #76 by Bruntonpasty
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Oldbluenewblue wrote:

Laffy wrote: I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so


Are you implying that someone needs to put up a stern hand against Iran.

Just getting facts straight before you throw around your lawyers.

Reality would show that its USA that needs some tough loving.

But you being a tough loving tory probably cant see through your blinkers.

Also im glad your investment in Carlisle failed. Wouldnt want someone with morals like yours in charge or have anything to do with the club



Ooh... a new troll on the block..... Or is it someone with another login......? Hmmmmmm?

They don't like it up 'em!

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10 Jan 2020 18:24 #77 by Markovitch
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So when it comes to CUFC we compare ourselves to the best, Swansea, Burnley and think why couldn't we be like that? Jenkins, Nixon et al are crap. But when it comes to the Tories we compare ourselves to Mauretania and Romania and think look how great we are?
Lets try to make the country as good as it can be rather than making excuses for morally bankrupt [censored] like Johnson.

And violence in the streets in Iran is much much less than England

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10 Jan 2020 18:28 #78 by Laffy
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We compare ourselves to Burnley?

More like Rochdale,Accrington,and other smaller clubs in higher leagues.

I can’t believe anyone on here would rather live in Tehran than Carlisle though I stand to be corrected.

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10 Jan 2020 18:56 #79 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: Sounds like a blast-read this Kes, you utterly deluded clown

www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/irans-wea...180120141446366.html


You're the deluded one. You recently said something about a need to build more houses. We've already get enough houses for everybody, but we're still letting people be homeless. What would be the point in building more houses if we're not going to actually house people in them?

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10 Jan 2020 19:37 #80 by Vogel
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Laffy wrote: Sounds like a blast-read this Kes, you utterly deluded clown

www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/01/irans-wea...180120141446366.html


How much of that is due to American crippling economic sanctions? Rising inequality’ sounds like UK.
Will wait to see if Trumps policy works. Under Obama’s deal Iran was stopping nuclear weapon development and being a key part of the defeat of ISIS, but was gaining unhelpful regional influence. Under Trump we wait and see but seems high risk to me. As an aside everyone I know who has been to Iran have commented on how friendly and decent the people are, unlike the Afghans so it is all rather sad.

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10 Jan 2020 19:38 #81 by Waltero
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How many homeless people do you know Kessler

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10 Jan 2020 20:19 #83 by Laffy
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That would explain why housebuilders are making a fortune just now-they are building houses because we already have too many and nobody wants to live in them.

Homelessness is not a function of there not being enough houses.We need more affordable houses-council houses with a right to own.

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10 Jan 2020 20:28 #84 by munchymagic
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Laffy wrote: That would explain why housebuilders are making a fortune just now-they are building houses because we already have too many and nobody wants to live in them.

Homelessness is not a function of there not being enough houses.We need more affordable houses-council houses with a right to own.


Don't start this again as someone will pipe up stating that you deserve a 'marginally' bigger house because you took all the risks - however...….. :)

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10 Jan 2020 20:44 #85 by Vogel
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Oh my word, that is a truly shocking image, 11 people burning a USA and a UK flag and I am sure is truly representative of a population of 85 million. I will go and read one of NS’s posts to find out what all the 75 million Brits think of Muslims from the Middle East

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10 Jan 2020 21:21 #86 by Alan
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Oldbluenewblue wrote:

Laffy wrote: I’m happy to take a bet that this was not a US missile Marko.

It seems Trump’s tough love will win the day-let’s hope so


Are you implying that someone needs to put up a stern hand against Iran.

Just getting facts straight before you throw around your lawyers.

Reality would show that its USA that needs some tough loving.

But you being a tough loving tory probably cant see through your blinkers.

Also im glad your investment in Carlisle failed. Wouldnt want someone with morals like yours in charge or have anything to do with the club


OOOOOw Errrrrrr That's you told Andrew

By what sounds very much like an extremely bitter spotty prepubescent Corbyn loving teenager


Corbyn luvvies trying to points score on Internet whilst the real world whizzes past laughing at the thick Maxhunts.

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10 Jan 2020 21:57 #88 by Markovitch
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The total number of murders in Iran is approximately 1/8 of the number of people killed by the US police

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10 Jan 2020 22:03 #89 by Vogel
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Laffy wrote: Try this one then

www.nytimes.com/2019/12/01/world/middlee...protests-deaths.html


That’s a bit more like it.
Clearly I am not trying to state that Iran is a model democracy.
It does not seem long ago that you were claiming some sort of enlightenment from your first trip to India which you now seem to have forgotten. The world is full of repressive regimes and countries/races people don’t like for one reason or another and write off en masse, when in fact if you actually go there 99.9% are a decent people.

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10 Jan 2020 22:10 #90 by Laffy
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That would be why the Foreign Office have told UK citizens to get out of Dodge.

I was struck by several things in India.Abject poverty, many soulless looking faces, no white faces, but a population desperate to better themselves.

Iran is a beautiful country but it’s very clear it sponsors international terrorism from the top down.They have however met their match in Trump who is as mad as they are.

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10 Jan 2020 22:21 #91 by Vogel
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Well I will agree with that last sentence, hence my original point that I would wait and see the results of his high risk strategy.
Interfering in the Middle East often seems to have unintended consequences and Britain has a worse record than anyone in that regard over the last 100 years.
Some argue that the Islamic revolution came out of the clandestine UK/USA organised coup in order to un nationalise the Iranian oil assets.
We then propped up the Shah while BP especially creamed off vast sums of money while the Shah became more and more autocratic.
Who knows where trumps policies will leave the world in years to come.
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10 Jan 2020 22:35 #92 by Bluedazblue
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Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.
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10 Jan 2020 23:01 #93 by High Street
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They shot it down by mistake and now theyre shitting themselves.
The reason they are going to announce tomorrow, is going to be comical.

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11 Jan 2020 05:14 #94 by Kessler
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Bluedazblue wrote: Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.


But the "regime" in Britain also keeps people in poverty. Look around you at the record levels of homelessness and poverty, why would a government do that to its own people?

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11 Jan 2020 07:03 #95 by Kessler
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www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/11/ir...iner-unintentionally

Iran has admitted shooting down the passenger plane by mistake. President Rouhani has said “The Islamic Republic of Iran deeply regrets this disastrous mistake" and has offered his condolences, thoughts and prayers to the mourning families.

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11 Jan 2020 07:57 #96 by High Street
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Kessler wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote: Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.


But the "regime" in Britain also keeps people in poverty. Look around you at the record levels of homelessness and poverty, why would a government do that to its own people?


I’m pretty sure ‘poverty’ in Britain is very different from poverty in India.
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11 Jan 2020 08:02 - 11 Jan 2020 08:37 #97 by Kessler
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High Street wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote: Those belligerent, corrupt, incompetent regimes, such as the one in Iran like to talk tough, but in reality they're useless.

They keep their population in poverty, persecute women and gays and ultimately shoot down an airliner taking off from their own airport with a missile through utter incompetence.

It's not surprising that so many Iranians try to emigrate.


But the "regime" in Britain also keeps people in poverty. Look around you at the record levels of homelessness and poverty, why would a government do that to its own people?


I’m pretty sure ‘poverty’ in Britain is very different from poverty in India.


But why would any government keep their people in poverty, while lecturing other governments for the same?
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11 Jan 2020 08:03 #98 by Laffy
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I can’t believe how deluded you are Kessler-go and take a trip around the world and see poverty, suppression and appalling human rights

I don’t believe the plane thing was a mistake but we shall see.

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11 Jan 2020 08:05 #99 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: I can’t believe how deluded you are Kessler-go and take a trip around the world and see poverty, suppression and appalling human rights

I don’t believe the plane thing was a mistake but we shall see.


Did you actually read my post Laffy? Iran have confirmed they accidentally shot the plane down, President Rouhani announced it.

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11 Jan 2020 08:06 #100 by Kessler
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Oh let me guess are you a conspiracy theorist that thinks governments go around shooting down planes randomly? Do you think 9/11 was an inside job too?

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