Player ratings v Plymouth?

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11 Jan 2020 17:25 #1 by Urban Designer
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Never saw this thrashing coming after Cardiff.

Good away numbers from Plymouth 567.

Considering we usually give away about 300 tickets in Section 8 of the East stand paying home support is down to 3,350 ish.

If out break even is 4,500 we are 1,150 down which equates to 26,450 over the season and £290,960 over the season.

However if we stay up the BOD will see this as a good season with the cup runs and player sales.

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11 Jan 2020 17:32 #2 by CCU
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Strange ratings those UD!

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Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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11 Jan 2020 21:40 #3 by nobbyblue
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Collin 7 some decent saves

Hayden 6 Tried hard second half probably the best of defenders
Webster 4 Can’t understand how he keeps getting a game
Mellish 5 I quite like his attitude but not sure if he’s up to L2 standard
G Jones 5 Bit out of sorts for him today

M Jones 6 Does lot of work
Watt 6 Looks a decent player but didn’t look fit
Bridge 6 One of his better games not sure if he was injured

Mckirdy 7 Ran for 90 minutes, little or no help
Thomas 5 Got the skill but attitude looks dodgy
Hope 6 Some in the paddock don’t like him at all. Played ok first half.

Loft 3 Poor
Scougall 5 Runs about a lot but too lightweight to play in midfield

Overall too many players not good enough. Beech looks out of his depth and just talks absolute shite in interviews which is a big worry. Embarrasing how much better Plymouth were in every department.

Cold, wet and miserable day. They should be paying us 19 quid to watch that shite.

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11 Jan 2020 21:54 #4 by aberdeenblue28
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nobbyblue wrote: Collin 7 some decent saves

Hayden 6 Tried hard second half probably the best of defenders
Webster 4 Can’t understand how he keeps getting a game
Mellish 5 I quite like his attitude but not sure if he’s up to L2 standard
G Jones 5 Bit out of sorts for him today

M Jones 6 Does lot of work
Watt 6 Looks a decent player but didn’t look fit
Bridge 6 One of his better games not sure if he was injured

Mckirdy 7 Ran for 90 minutes, little or no help
Thomas 5 Got the skill but attitude looks dodgy
Hope 6 Some in the paddock don’t like him at all. Played ok first half.

Loft 3 Poor
Scougall 5 Runs about a lot but too lightweight to play in midfield

Overall too many players not good enough. Beech looks out of his depth and just talks absolute shite in interviews which is a big worry. Embarrasing how much better Plymouth were in every department.

Cold, wet and miserable day. They should be paying us 19 quid to watch that shite.


Don’t agree with this at all. Watt looks fit enough for me and worked hard for 90 mins and at points in the game our best players. Mellish played well today with some good runs out from the back but some poor passing but you have to remember it’s his first year in league 2. Webster at times made some key blocks but I’ve gone past the point where he can change my view of him. Thomas was worrying today very worrying. Bridge is a waste of space and I’ve seen more affective planks of wood than loft. WE NEED A STRIKER!

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11 Jan 2020 22:14 #5 by seesaw50
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Agreed Aberdeen....nobby offbeam on Bridge and Mellish and Watt, just shows how people's views are so different

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11 Jan 2020 22:17 #6 by franksidebottom
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Collin 4 - very suspect for first, another howler second half which looked over the line but not given

Mellish 5 - tries to get forward but caught out too many times doing so
Webster 6 - improved of late but left his man for second when no real need to
Hayden 4 - started okay but distribution poor, marked down for stupidity late on
G Jones 4 - worst game I’ve seen him have

M Jones 6 - did okay but overran most of the game
Watt 4 - first impressions not good
Bridge 5 - usual ineffective self

Thomas 4 - hopeless
Hope 6 - improved but still lacking
McKirdy 7 - worked well but pissing in the wind at times due to little support

Loft 3 - absolute jeer
Scougall 4 - see Bridge comments

Second best all over the park today, looked as though Plymouth had extra men at times. They played football and looked like a team, we didn’t and looked like a bunch of strangers.

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11 Jan 2020 22:24 #7 by aberdeenblue28
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Thought Watt was very good today some of his passing was brilliant and he made a goal saving tackle in the first half. I feel I’m watching at different game to some of you.
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11 Jan 2020 23:12 #8 by Markovitch
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aberdeenblue28 wrote: Thought Watt was very good today some of his passing was brilliant and he made a goal saving tackle in the first half. I feel I’m watching at different game to some of you.


Totally agree, I thought watt was very good. If he had a yard of pace he would be devastating.
Mellish and hayden both give me the impression they will develop into good players at this level. Bridge, hope, loft Thomas - just not good enough. Gethin does his best but he's not a left back.

Just no goal threat at all
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11 Jan 2020 23:15 #9 by Oldbolt
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Collin 5 for his goalkeeping. 2 for his captaincy skills. Shouldn’t be captain - part of the problem at the moment

Hayden 5 not a right back doesn’t look comfortable. Stupid sending off

Webster 5 struggling. Needs a spell out of the team

Mellish 5 out of his depth despite a couple of marauding runs. How SLOW is he?

G. Jones 5. Uncharacteristic errors today - not what we’ve come to expectations

M. Jones 6. Usual steady Eddie

Bridge 2. Woeful. Get rid

McKirdy 7. Poor 1st half but our only outlet in the 2nd. Plymouth defenders couldn’t handle him

Watt 6. Mixed bag. Gave the ball away a few times but showed some lovely touches. Promising

Thomas 3 didn’t look interested in the 1st half. Hid in the 2nd

Hope 4. A shadow of the player that was attracting interest from other clubs last season

Subs

Scougall 4. Better than Bridge but that’s not saying much

Loft 4. Poor again


Beech 2. Needs to find some consistency and quickly
Baffling tactics - McKirdy through the middle in the 1st half?
Why is he freezing Olomola out? He was the one bright spot in our woeful start to the season, yet he’s not being given a sniff under Beech
Talked absolute shite in his post match interview AGAIN
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12 Jan 2020 08:55 #10 by nobbyblue
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seesaw50 wrote: Agreed Aberdeen....nobby offbeam on Bridge and Mellish and Watt, just shows how people's views are so different

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I said Watt was decent. As for Mellish these marauding runs are all well and good but primarily he’s a defender. I’m not a fan of Bridge but he wasn’t that bad in the 45 mins he played yesterday.

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12 Jan 2020 09:26 #11 by Mouldy
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No he wasn’t bad in the 45 Nobby, he was awful! Was anonymous.

Collin 4 - think the saves he sometimes makes fool people into thinking he’s great. He broke down 5/6 potential attacks by being petrified of early distribution. Not a fan of him as captain.

Hayden 4 - wasn’t his day. Red card predictable the way his day went.

Webster 5 - thought he was fairly solid for the majority and showed a bit of passion. Averageish defender playing below average defence is going to result in conceded goals.

Mellish 5 - going forward he seemed better than when defending but nothing ever came of it.

G Jones 6 - not his best game but still the best defender yesterday - just.

Watt 7 - thought he actually looked good. He seemed to know the formation and position he was playing, wasn’t afraid to tell folk if they’d cocked up. Second half a little patchy but will grow into this team like Sowerby did IMO.

Bridge 4 - anonymous, didn’t care, out of the game long before he came off.

M Jones 6.5 - think he started the game very well and two great crunching tackles put us in early control, if there was something better ahead of him and alongside him we probably go 1 or 2 nil up. Bridge left him to do all the work. Think the players he’s around drag him down a bit.

Thomas 5 - woefully greedy at times. Seemed a yard off the pace yesterday and often arrived at where he should have been too late which broke down attacks.

Hope 5 - pretty much as above. Probably showed more effort than I’ve seen from him for a while.

McKirdy 6.5 - ‘insert finger to mouth photo here’

Fans 5 - well done for going but we make sod all noise and don’t agree with WRE singing we want Webster out after he’s just blocked a shot/cross with his cock.

Loft 0 - no idea what he contributed when he came on, doesn’t even move like a CF should. No improvement on Waring, Simpson and made Bennett look class.

Scougall 5 - ran about a bit


I think we started quite well and not sure if we tired or just lost interest/confidence. Their first was against the run of play and seemed to stun the players. There was zero sign of reply after that. I don’t know why we insist on keeping our second highest scorer on the bench.

Walking home I heard so many people praising Beech for making a difference - it’s like they want to see no goals. An off day, perhaps, with better things to follow, I hope, but I can’t see much that’s better than it was.

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12 Jan 2020 09:28 #12 by nobbyblue
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Webster solid?

Watch the goals again!
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12 Jan 2020 09:33 #13 by nobbyblue
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Webster’s man got the first, Webster walked to the ball and left his man unmarked for the second and then didn’t challenge and let him shoot unchallenged for the third!
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12 Jan 2020 10:09 #14 by CUFC52
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Colin -4 suspect by his usual standard and literally gave them a goal with his spill for the goal that was over but not given. Can we stop passing the ball back to him - he can’t kick...

Hayden -4 (that’s for effort) not a RB, tries but isn’t comfortable going forward, the red card had started to look obvious for the last 10, poor management from Beech he didn’t take him off.

Webster - 1 - watch the goals again, he’s absolutely garbage. Not comfortable with the balm, can’t tackle, can’t kick, can’t head what’s he being ?

Melish - 4 decent distribution when their was options in front of him (not often)

G jones - 4 tries and tries, but was awful with the ball today and exposed without any cover.... might be a genius suggestion here, but play a right back at right back.

Watt -5 tried looked influential first 30 but then was eased out of the game.

M Jones -3 let’s be honest he’s been abysmal for 3 years, people defend him cause he’s a good honest pro and the playoff season, but he’s not up to the standard.

Bridge -2 did he even touch the ball ? Didn’t track his runners, not a CM and certinally not good enough for FL.

Mckirdy -6 tried and tried yesterday with no options, only one who can come off with his head held high.

Thomas -2 could of told you before kickoff with the conditions he’d have a bad day...

Hope -3 won a through flick ons, but didn’t look intrested.

Scougall-4 ran around like a dog on heat, not sure he tackled anyone or did much with the ball though.

Loft-0 didn’t win a header, doesn’t want to be here.... poor ability with a shocking attitude, might aswell or kept beck.

Beech -0 absolutely clueless, make yourself hard to beat with a possession based team like Plymouth, oh wait let’s play a narrow Diamond.... over ran down the wings and in the centre.... didn’t look like he new what to do...

Take the cup out of the way, and things have got significantly worse performance and results wise under him....

Out of his depth.

All in all our last 2 leauge performances have been two of the worst in recent history....

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12 Jan 2020 11:02 #15 by BaggersBlue
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It was awful. Absolutely, [censored] awful. We are getting worse. I thought initially Beech has drilled some basic structure into them, but when you see the goals again the defending is woeful. Of course, defending for 90 mins with nothing up front is not a recipe for success.

Collins - 5 Weather was a problem, but he handed them a goal (which wasn't given).

Hayden - 4 He works really hard and as been one of the few positives, but by charging up and down the pitch he can get caught out. The red card was inexperience, madness.
Mellish - 6 Possibly man of the match, if one should be awarded, was better than others defensively and showed a desire to bring the ball forward.
Webster - 2 I thought his 'going back to basics' would change his season and give him confidence, but the three goals were all his mistakes or he was involved. Woeful.
G Jones - 4 A poor game in a poor performance. No excuse. He's been a positive but we need better from him.

M Jones - 6 He never stops. If Etuhu had been fit and playing alongside him this season would have been better. He can't do it by himself. Possibly, Watt when fully match fit can aid and strengthen the midfield.
Watt - 5 Thought he did ok. Some good balls forward and some challenging. He's a bit off match fit. He's young and learning. If he settles he could make a big difference.
Bridge - 3 Hopeless. Not strong enough defensively. Not good enough going forward.

Thomas - 4 He is probably our most talent player. I thought Beech had revitalised him, but he got lost and being subbed was a mercy.
Hope - 4 He has worked harder at tracking back, but he's not a target man. He can't hold up the ball (except for one chance in the 1st half) and just kept giving it back to Plymouth every time we cleared it. He has gone from a fee to free in 4 months.
McKirdy - 6 Always wants the ball, can unlock defences, but as has been said by others he needs to have someone up there to aim at, play beside. His effort is wasted.

Subs:

Loft - 0 If we can, send him back.
Scougall - 4 He works hard. However, he over plays it or loses it.

Beech - 4 I think he is trying to develop defensive structure. At least it looked like it for the first 20-30 minutes, but when experienced defenders keep making poor judgements and there is no-one in the squad he has inherited that can change the game (although the lack of belief in Olomola is difficult to understand) there is little he can do.

The club - 2 The recruitment policy is killing us. The plan for the future is mired in mystery. The club is relegation fodder and heading out the league, whether it's this season or next.

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12 Jan 2020 11:48 #16 by Dazzyblue
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Cufc52..... Your ratings and comments on the game are absolutely spot on. I'm another one with you on M. Jones, you can slate other midfielders all you like and it is lightweight in there. Alot of the problem is Jones. He's 15 yards to deep 90% of the time. I'm another that thinks he offers very little. If they got themselves 15-20 yards higher up the pitch the midfield and forwards would at least compete against teams but they can't because Jones is always p155sing about 5 yards in front of the CB`s leaving a major hole where they should be winning 1st balls and 2nd balls etc. The other midfielders that get played couldn't fight sleep, never mind big bruising ball wining league 2 CM's.

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12 Jan 2020 17:42 #17 by Mullen103
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Collin 5 - Just an average tier 4 keeper

Mellish 2 - no where near good enough for this level

Webster 0 - Useless

Hayden 4 - poor can’t pass

G Jones 4 - Best of a dreadful defence

M Jones 1 - Finished

Watt 6 - Will play in a higher tier than this - looks a good player

Bridge 1 - waste of time

Thomas 1 - garbage

Hope 3 - not interested

McKirdy 5 - agree only one that had something about them

Loft 0 - might as well of just put a statue there
Scougall 1 - waste of time

At least we’re not Stockport
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