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12 Jan 2020 19:31 #51 by cousinscotty
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Dazwacky wrote: Maybe its time for Michael Knighton to redeem himself!! how close was he to getting Man Utd CLOSE! could part 2 happen would local businessmen work with him?? we might get another new stand? joking aside could it work?


If you wanted to get publicity for a protest against the current ownership situation, you could do a lot worse than...

CARLISLE FANS PLEAD FOR MICHAEL KNIGHTON TO RETURN!

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12 Jan 2020 19:32 #52 by seesaw50
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Laffy wrote: That is exactly my point-we know who is in charge but who is our leader to follow and back?

Richard-I was referring to Billy and Jim when talking about celebrity.There is a thin line between celebrity and notoriety and they are walking it.They offer no cash, don’t speak for the majority of fans and their shareholding is worth [censored] all.Paid for by Mileson.

I don’t have a problem with Patty-I think he would walk if he could.The other two can’t because they are in a stranglehold.Lord Clark-why is he there?

NC is a decent bloke but not the leader-tainted I’m afraid.

The Club desperately needs a leader with some drive, charisma and ambition-even delusion.

I can remember the walk to Wembley in 1995-many fans in tears as it was a dream to see your team there.MK on the pitch, talking shite but we loved it.Total escapism.


Then he err....... escaped with £1m at the clubs expense

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12 Jan 2020 19:35 #53 by Laffy
Allegedly

The fact is there are plenty of other things to do on a Saturday.Watching shit football, losing,cold, wet-it’s not palatable for young kids.

As Mullen says, a lost generation.

We need a new stadium urgently and rebuild from there.

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12 Jan 2020 19:37 #54 by Mullen103
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I’d like to think Patty would go if a good offer came in, however he did a lot of crying when he resigned last time and a lot of grovelling to get back on.

Billy is a busybody type who I think likes to be involved in everything without any real talent or knowledge. I think Jim cares about the club but is ineffective in his role. Overall the trust are a nonentity and only in it for themselves.

At least we’re not Stockport
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12 Jan 2020 19:37 #55 by Dazwacky
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Laffy I was actually on TV interviewed before the game on my prediction of the score steaming drunk !! (cant remember my prediction) but wow what an amazing weekend, Birmingham fans were dynamite too great day loved it!!

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12 Jan 2020 19:39 #56 by Bruntonpasty
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Stadium?.....First of all we need a leader!! Someone to drive a revolution....Until that happens? well, I'll use one of your terms Laffy, DRIFT!

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12 Jan 2020 19:42 #57 by Dazwacky
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Mullen who does Patty think he is to claim a good offer to go, he paid a pound tell the clown to [censored] off
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12 Jan 2020 19:49 #58 by Laffy
I hate drift-it’s appalling.Football, any sport, is about aspiration and ambition, the dream, the escapism of Saturday afternoon.Some of us saw it in the 70s and in 1995, then the bitter sweet Jimmy Glass moment -those who haven’t experienced this must wonder what we are on about.Basically it’s become a chore for a lot of fans as evidenced by the slow decline in attendances.

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12 Jan 2020 20:04 #59 by Bruntonpasty
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As amazing as the Jimmy Glass game was, getting ready to go to that game was like getting ready to go to a funeral for me, I hated it. At that point I stopped going until Knighton was gone, he'd undone everything that was good during his tenure. Courtenay wasn't everyone's cup of tea but there was a bit of charisma, a bit of spirit and ambition to get behind and support. Yes, mistakes made were many and ultimately we dropped but, Love him or loathe him, Fred drove the club back into the League, difficult not to get dragged along at that time.(Obviously NS will strongly disagree with this but, hey we 'll agree to disagree!) Yesterday, pi55 wet miserable, windy day, did I want to go? I was in two minds! But, I have a ST so it would have been another wasted game if I'd stayed at home. But, after the display on the pitch, which was poor and a symptom of how we now operate, do I want to pay to go to the cup game this week? Nah, don't think I will......

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12 Jan 2020 20:16 #60 by Piglet_Phoenix
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First you say you'll give the club £50 per week. Then you say you won't.

First you say the club doesn't have potential. Then you say it does.

First you say you saw Phil Bonnyman play for us in the First Division. Then you say you didn't.

Excuse me for not believing a single word you say.

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12 Jan 2020 20:19 #61 by Piglet_Phoenix
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And as for speaking on Philip Day's behalf - don't make me laugh - he's out of your league.

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12 Jan 2020 20:38 #62 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Hearts and minds Piggy, hearts and minds.... If the support doesn't see a figurehead there to lead them, why should they offer their support? Who do they offer their support to? The current three?


Come now Pasty. Are you really suggesting our supporters are nothing more than dumb turnstile fodder? Sheep who require the call of a shepherd to rally the flock?

To whom should they offer their support? Nobody. They should (in my opinion) support the club. By withholding your support you are not doing any damage to (or causing any discomfort or hassle to) EWM, Jenkins, Nixon or whoever. What you are doing is damaging the club - the very thing you allegedly care about (not you personally, Pasty, obviously). Who benefits if more folk attend games? - I'd suggest the answer to this is - everyone.

More footfall = higher turnover = more money invested in the team = a greater chance of success = more footfall.

Such a scenario would instantly make the club more investable.

The reality is we have Lapping and the anti-club types advocating the opposite. And their own agenda would see the club trapped in a cycle of diminishing returns. Lapping doesn't care about success - he just wants to get his mitts on the club as cheaply as possible, this has been his plan all along. By boycotting and by encouraging the boycott - the anti-club types amongst the fan base are as much to blame (if not more so) than anyone in the boardroom for any perceived "decline".

Yes, we're having a poor season - that's football. We've had six managers in 18 months and a massive turnover of players, what's needed is a bit of stability and for the supporters to show a little faith in difficult times.

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12 Jan 2020 20:41 #63 by munchymagic
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Well our attempt at doing an Accrington has ended in the failure that most of us thought that it would.

I imagine not many of them moved up here and why would they on short deals where players are not even sure of a second year, even ones that you would keep like McKirdy will want off as soon as something concrete comes up from a club down south - he sulks now so just think how he would react to us blocking a move.

So that 'trigger clause' contract doesn't guarantee any continuity at all, it might get us some money but look what happened when we didn't let Hope leave when he wanted to go, it reflected in his performances.

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12 Jan 2020 20:47 #64 by Laffy
That would explain why our little deal included Robin Brown,Roger Smith,and other respected Carlisle businessmen.We were looking to ‘steal’ it from those who paid errr.... £3 for it.Show me the last time ANYONE paid real money for Carlisle United!Its not worth anything because it’s a second tier club in debt.

You are indeed a deluded tool.

Bonnyman-didn’t say I saw him in first division.You said it.

When was the last time you actually went to a game Pig?

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12 Jan 2020 20:54 #65 by Bruntonpasty
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I can't agree . This is Carlisle United not Real Madrid or Barcelona. Our support has never had that level of devotion and never will. To change the current state of stagnation we need someone at the top to lead, inspire and drive change.. Is that any of the current people in charge? If you're honest with yourself, you know the answer to that. For the last ten years or so, AJ has funded the running/losses at the club, not invested and certainly not lead or inspired it's growth and development. Now we have PD/EWM plugging the holes but not, definitely not, leading or inspiring fans to support . You say foot fall will increase and improve? I'd seriously question your grasp of business and numbers!! This could only be the case if it was sustained and with those currently in charge, we have NO chance of that happening, your deluding yourself if you think that's the case.

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12 Jan 2020 20:56 #66 by Mullen103
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Tier 4 Laffy tier 4

Or tinpot 2. I’d take 2nd tier any day.

At least we’re not Stockport

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12 Jan 2020 20:56 #67 by thetashkentterror
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Oh great, another thread has descended into Piglet trolling Laffy.
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12 Jan 2020 21:08 #68 by Laffy
I will say one last thing.

Pig makes an arse of himself by saying we were/are trying to get the club on the cheap.Is that not a better way as the cash committed would all go into the Club rather than trousered by those who have screwed it up?I made the point at the time-all the cash goes into the Club.

I have never been in a negotiation as a buyer and tried to talk the price up.Am I missing something?

Pig-your disjointed views on value and how to negotiate let you down mate.
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12 Jan 2020 21:17 #69 by munchymagic
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Hearts and minds Piggy, hearts and minds.... If the support doesn't see a figurehead there to lead them, why should they offer their support? Who do they offer their support to? The current three?


Come now Pasty. Are you really suggesting our supporters are nothing more than dumb turnstile fodder? Sheep who require the call of a shepherd to rally the flock?

To whom should they offer their support? Nobody. They should (in my opinion) support the club. By withholding your support you are not doing any damage to (or causing any discomfort or hassle to) EWM, Jenkins, Nixon or whoever. What you are doing is damaging the club - the very thing you allegedly care about (not you personally, Pasty, obviously). Who benefits if more folk attend games? - I'd suggest the answer to this is - everyone.

More footfall = higher turnover = more money invested in the team = a greater chance of success = more footfall.

Such a scenario would instantly make the club more investable.

The reality is we have Lapping and the anti-club types advocating the opposite. And their own agenda would see the club trapped in a cycle of diminishing returns. Lapping doesn't care about success - he just wants to get his mitts on the club as cheaply as possible, this has been his plan all along. By boycotting and by encouraging the boycott - the anti-club types amongst the fan base are as much to blame (if not more so) than anyone in the boardroom for any perceived "decline".

Yes, we're having a poor season - that's football. We've had six managers in 18 months and a massive turnover of players, what's needed is a bit of stability and for the supporters to show a little faith in difficult times.



"Yes, we're having a poor season - that's football. We've had six managers in 18 months and a massive turnover of players, what's needed is a bit of stability and for the supporters to show a little faith in difficult times".

Just goes to show what a great job Keith did and how he was vastly underappreciated.

I wonder where in the league we would be now if he had stayed.

Many would say that Curle also signed some donkeys however we turned into the club that signed up Curle's crap players like Bridge.

At least we weren't dreading relegation at Christmas time more like dreaming about promotion.

And for those who say that he spent a lot I would argue that he brought in higher gate attendances and football fortune through player sales and great nights in the cup at Liverpool.

I will probably get a lot of flack for this post but is it no coincidence that as Curles signings slowly trickled out of the club then we suddenly got worse and worse gradually.

Curle was by no means perfect but those times were better than how things are now, I kind of started getting used to even the faint sniff of promotion every season, we currently need a Curle sort to save us and get us out of this mess and I am not yet convinced that Beech is that man.

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12 Jan 2020 22:08 #70 by seesaw50
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Aye it's a dogs breakfast alright .....those of us who go through thick n thin are enduring a mental torture this season and there seems no upturn. A series of bad decisions over the last 3 seasons are coming home to roost good and proper.
A boycott ain't gonna happen but a natural drifting away is gonna hurt and on this I have to agree with piglet.

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12 Jan 2020 22:30 #71 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Well, as Mr Day hasn't deemed us fans worthy of his presence at a game or even come out into the open and communicated with the fans/public, I'm not convinced he's an investor. Investing to me means putting funding in place to improve and better the club/business, you'll argue that this is what he is doing, I will disagree with you. I agree, we got a big crowd against MK but what have the club done since to sustain that? Nothing is the answer. Yes, real fans do stick with it through thick and thin, I've done so over the years but it's getting harder to do, you can't rely on blind faith alone, you need to keep the floaters engaged and the club at present is clearly incapable of doing this, even with the "investment" by EWM. You're very keen on telling others what they should or shouldn't be doing while sat on your sofa, perhaps you should come home and lead the resurgence you seem so sure could be acheived so easily....


EWM are most definitely not investors in any sense of the word

What they are is simply the bankers of last resort when Jenkins ran out of other options.

They think they've been clever with their charges and guarantees but they know so little about the business of lower league football that what they've actually done is to put the noose around the clubs neck.

If Jenkins died tomorrow what do you think would happen? Do you really think they will step in and start to run and fund the club properly will they hell as like they.ll cover the deficit for a while and put it up for sale pointing out how sustainable they've made it. But what they clearly don't understand is there won't be a queue of potential buyers simply because people will look and see a car crash of a club that will take years to turn round and if by some miracle they did find someone daft enough they'd be off back down the M6 at top speed the minute Day says and how many months would you like to pay us back our 2 million.

The only way out I can see is a hostile take over by a strong-minded individual who will tell Day to get [censored] and go whistle for his money after all he has his personal guarantee from Jenkins and as I see it twisting his arm up his back will be a lot easier and better for him and his and his company's health than kicking a city's football club out of its ground to sell it for development to recover what he's owed But the fly in that ointment is the charges they have over everything that the club own.

If Day really was in it for the long term he would have created another company to own his sporting interests which hed make a direct subsidiary of one of his profit-making companies where to keep it simple the football clubs losses would be covered by tax savings on the host companies profits. And before anyone starts the Trusts shareholding would not be an issue in that.

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12 Jan 2020 22:45 #72 by NORTHERNSOUL
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munchymagic wrote: The only problem with boycotting games is the fact that you are a long time dead.


Very true Munchy - but life is also too short to give money to people that only care about themselves and their lifestyle and not the product their offering.

I can watch on ifollow if I need too.

I can’t justify giving £19 - £22 for what’s on offer and to keep the status quo.


And there without knowing it Mullen you sum it up completely

We have an ownership who can't even tell the truth over the real price of attending a match

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12 Jan 2020 22:54 #73 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: That is exactly my point-we know who is in charge but who is our leader to follow and back?

Richard-I was referring to Billy and Jim when talking about celebrity.There is a thin line between celebrity and notoriety and they are walking it.They offer no cash, don’t speak for the majority of fans and their shareholding is worth [censored] all.Paid for by Mileson.

I don’t have a problem with Patty-I think he would walk if he could.The other two can’t because they are in a stranglehold.Lord Clark-why is he there?

NC is a decent bloke but not the leader-tainted I’m afraid.

The Club desperately needs a leader with some drive, charisma and ambition-even delusion.

I can remember the walk to Wembley in 1995-many fans in tears as it was a dream to see your team there.MK on the pitch, talking shite but we loved it.Total escapism.


Then he err....... escaped with £1m at the clubs expense


I.d just like to point out that the owner of a company doesn't need to steal [ or as you put it escape with ] anything from that company as you're alleging he simply gets the HR dept to put him on the payroll at 250k a week and so long as he pays the tax due on it there's nothing anyone can do about it.

MK took a slightly different tack and put several people including his son wife and auntie onto the payroll rather than himself or do you think Marky boy actually got to keep anything but a fraction of the 100k he supposedly paid himself.

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12 Jan 2020 23:05 #74 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote:

Bruntonpasty wrote: Hearts and minds Piggy, hearts and minds.... If the support doesn't see a figurehead there to lead them, why should they offer their support? Who do they offer their support to? The current three?


Come now Pasty. Are you really suggesting our supporters are nothing more than dumb turnstile fodder? Sheep who require the call of a shepherd to rally the flock?

To whom should they offer their support? Nobody. They should (in my opinion) support the club. By withholding your support you are not doing any damage to (or causing any discomfort or hassle to) EWM, Jenkins, Nixon or whoever. What you are doing is damaging the club - the very thing you allegedly care about (not you personally, Pasty, obviously). Who benefits if more folk attend games? - I'd suggest the answer to this is - everyone.

More footfall = higher turnover = more money invested in the team = a greater chance of success = more footfall.

Such a scenario would instantly make the club more investable.

The reality is we have Lapping and the anti-club types advocating the opposite. And their own agenda would see the club trapped in a cycle of diminishing returns. Lapping doesn't care about success - he just wants to get his mitts on the club as cheaply as possible, this has been his plan all along. By boycotting and by encouraging the boycott - the anti-club types amongst the fan base are as much to blame (if not more so) than anyone in the boardroom for any perceived "decline".

Yes, we're having a poor season - that's football. We've had six managers in 18 months and a massive turnover of players, what's needed is a bit of stability and for the supporters to show a little faith in difficult times.



"Yes, we're having a poor season - that's football. We've had six managers in 18 months and a massive turnover of players, what's needed is a bit of stability and for the supporters to show a little faith in difficult times".

Just goes to show what a great job Keith did and how he was vastly underappreciated.

I wonder where in the league we would be now if he had stayed.

Many would say that Curle also signed some donkeys however we turned into the club that signed up Curle's crap players like Bridge.

At least we weren't dreading relegation at Christmas time more like dreaming about promotion.

And for those who say that he spent a lot I would argue that he brought in higher gate attendances and football fortune through player sales and great nights in the cup at Liverpool.

I will probably get a lot of flack for this post but is it no coincidence that as Curles signings slowly trickled out of the club then we suddenly got worse and worse gradually.

Curle was by no means perfect but those times were better than how things are now, I kind of started getting used to even the faint sniff of promotion every season, we currently need a Curle sort to save us and get us out of this mess and I am not yet convinced that Beech is that man.


For 1.5 million extra Curly Keith would have had us in the championship by now But Jenkins is way too much of a thick shit to see that and way too much of a tight [censored] to think about finding the cheque book.
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12 Jan 2020 23:09 #75 by NORTHERNSOUL
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seesaw50 wrote: Aye it's a dogs breakfast alright .....those of us who go through thick n thin are enduring a mental torture this season and there seems no upturn. A series of bad decisions over the last 3 seasons are coming home to roost good and proper.
A boycott ain't gonna happen but a natural drifting away is gonna hurt and on this I have to agree with piglet.


Piglet hasn't a clue Never has had

If everybody stopped going they would all be gone within 3 months end of the story.
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13 Jan 2020 06:35 #76 by Kessler
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I agree with that Barry, if everyone boycotted it would starve them out financially. That's what I would see as the ideal way to get them out, but I understand many people don't want to stop watching their team. If people do go to matches, they should be doing lots of anti board chants to let them know how unwanted they are.

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13 Jan 2020 06:36 #77 by Kessler
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I'll wait for munchy to tell me how wrong that is because as an employee I'm not allowed my own opinion.

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13 Jan 2020 07:54 #78 by Mouldy
I disagree. I think trying this ‘starve them out’ method won’t work.

The crowds will drop, the budget will be altered accordingly until the point comes that EWM say no chance it can be sustainable now, Cheerio folk. Then the club will shut down and we’ll be watching Workington and Penrith. I suppose that starved them out in a way...

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13 Jan 2020 08:03 #79 by Kessler
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Mouldy wrote: I disagree. I think trying this ‘starve them out’ method won’t work.

The crowds will drop, the budget will be altered accordingly until the point comes that EWM say no chance it can be sustainable now, Cheerio folk. Then the club will shut down and we’ll be watching Workington and Penrith. I suppose that starved them out in a way...


Isn't that what's going to happen anyway if things continue the way they are, but maybe dragged out over a slightly longer period? I feel the club is dying and the fans are just letting it happen, moaning a bit but ultimately not doing anything to stop it.

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13 Jan 2020 08:27 #80 by nobbyblue
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I agree with Mouldy.

Weird as it may sound a severe drop in attendances would play right into their hands in a way. Budgets would be slashed further and they would say a league club is unsustainable given the support and it would be all our fault!

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13 Jan 2020 08:36 #81 by griff
So, folk stop going. What will happen?

Right, say the board, we’ll cut the playing budget again and consolidate in the National league.
Sorry groundstaff, you’re sacked, we’ll use contractors.
Sorry ticket-office staff, off you go, we’re outsourcing.
Sorry other back-office staff, half of you are sacked.
Clibbens, there’s the door.
Ditto Holdsworth.
Fewer fans, fewer stewards
Shut the Warwick, they can stand in the Paddock.

Meanwhile AJ and the two hangers-on are congratulating there selves on another crisis averted. National League North they’ll say? Well, that's what the fans wanted.

I’ve still got my ST, it costs me £25 a month for 10 months and I go to support my team and Club. Not going will NOT shift the three, EWM have cemented that into place.
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13 Jan 2020 09:08 #82 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mouldy wrote: I disagree. I think trying this ‘starve them out’ method won’t work.

The crowds will drop, the budget will be altered accordingly until the point comes that EWM say no chance it can be sustainable now, Cheerio folk. Then the club will shut down and we’ll be watching Workington and Penrith. I suppose that starved them out in a way...


EWM throwing a strop and walking away is the best thing that could possibly happen They then call in their personal guarantees on Nixon and Jenkins and the club would be on the market within a week.

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13 Jan 2020 09:20 #83 by sirjimmyglass
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nobbyblue wrote: I agree with Mouldy.

Weird as it may sound a severe drop in attendances would play right into their hands in a way. Budgets would be slashed further and they would say a league club is unsustainable given the support and it would be all our fault!


I never understand stuff like this. In what way would this be beneficial to the BOD?

They're totally incompetent, I think we all agree on that, but in what way would making us a non-league club benefit them?
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13 Jan 2020 09:34 #84 by NORTHERNSOUL
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sirjimmyglass wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I agree with Mouldy.

Weird as it may sound a severe drop in attendances would play right into their hands in a way. Budgets would be slashed further and they would say a league club is unsustainable given the support and it would be all our fault!


I never understand stuff like this. In what way would this be beneficial to the BOD?

They're totally incompetent, I think we all agree on that, but in what way would making us a non-league club benefit them?


It wouldn't. It's just an excuse for the selfish gits who can't see that the best way forward is to stay away and rip the whole thing apart.

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13 Jan 2020 09:36 #85 by nobbyblue
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sirjimmyglass wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I agree with Mouldy.

Weird as it may sound a severe drop in attendances would play right into their hands in a way. Budgets would be slashed further and they would say a league club is unsustainable given the support and it would be all our fault!


I never understand stuff like this. In what way would this be beneficial to the BOD?

They're totally incompetent, I think we all agree on that, but in what way would making us a non-league club benefit them?


You've got to understand they're not like any other BOD. They've no ambition for the club to move forward. As long as they get their days out and can lord it over the rest of us they are happy.

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13 Jan 2020 09:40 #86 by Kessler
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nobbyblue wrote:

sirjimmyglass wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I agree with Mouldy.

Weird as it may sound a severe drop in attendances would play right into their hands in a way. Budgets would be slashed further and they would say a league club is unsustainable given the support and it would be all our fault!


I never understand stuff like this. In what way would this be beneficial to the BOD?

They're totally incompetent, I think we all agree on that, but in what way would making us a non-league club benefit them?


You've got to understand they're not like any other BOD. They've no ambition for the club to move forward. As long as they get their days out and can lord it over the rest of us they are happy.


Then this is what we focus on. Give them 90 minutes of anti board chants at every match. Make it clear the chants will not stop until they are gone. How long do you think they will want to stay if they have to sit through a relentless stream of boos at every single match?

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13 Jan 2020 09:41 #87 by Dancingbear
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It’s not gonna happen Kessler or it would be already.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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13 Jan 2020 09:42 #88 by Kessler
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nobbyblue wrote: I agree with Mouldy.

Weird as it may sound a severe drop in attendances would play right into their hands in a way. Budgets would be slashed further and they would say a league club is unsustainable given the support and it would be all our fault!


And if they said that, fans should challenge it. Say the support is there, but not with those three in charge. This defeatist attitude among many fans that we just have to put up with things the way they are really frustrates me sometimes. We've got the power to change things, we just need to realize that and realize it might take a bit of work like boycotts and protests to actually do it.

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13 Jan 2020 09:43 #89 by griff

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mouldy wrote: I disagree. I think trying this ‘starve them out’ method won’t work.

The crowds will drop, the budget will be altered accordingly until the point comes that EWM say no chance it can be sustainable now, Cheerio folk. Then the club will shut down and we’ll be watching Workington and Penrith. I suppose that starved them out in a way...


EWM throwing a strop and walking away is the best thing that could possibly happen They then call in their personal guarantees on Nixon and Jenkins and the club would be on the market within a week.

That won’t happen Barry, the PR implications wouldn’t be good for business.

Jimmy - the Club would be cheaper to run but they would still be in place, that’s how they’d benefit.

Looking around these boards I reckon the people who post represent about 1% of the 3,600 home crowd on Saturday. So that’s probably 0.5% who think that not going is the right way forward. Not a lot is it? Let’s say that for every poster there are 10 who read but never post. So that could be 5% who are being influenced. Is that enough? Never in a month of Sundays.

The only two ways to bring about change are, firstly, direct action; demonstrations, sit-ins, leaflet drops, confrontations and the like, and, secondly, a very rich person or group prepared to invest deeply in the Club and allow the three to back out with dignity. I don’t think that there is the will for the first, and I can’t see anyone meeting the second criteria, unless Philip Day takes a soft approach and considers that funding CUFC up the leagues would be good for business.

I won’t hold my breath.
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13 Jan 2020 09:45 #90 by Kessler
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Dancingbear wrote: It’s not gonna happen Kessler or it would be already.


So what's the alternative, sit back and watch them slowly kill the club off? Is that what fans want to happen?

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13 Jan 2020 09:50 #91 by Kessler
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griff wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Mouldy wrote: I disagree. I think trying this ‘starve them out’ method won’t work.

The crowds will drop, the budget will be altered accordingly until the point comes that EWM say no chance it can be sustainable now, Cheerio folk. Then the club will shut down and we’ll be watching Workington and Penrith. I suppose that starved them out in a way...


EWM throwing a strop and walking away is the best thing that could possibly happen They then call in their personal guarantees on Nixon and Jenkins and the club would be on the market within a week.

That won’t happen Barry, the PR implications wouldn’t be good for business.

Jimmy - the Club would be cheaper to run but they would still be in place, that’s how they’d benefit.

Looking around these boards I reckon the people who post represent about 1% of the 3,600 home crowd on Saturday. So that’s probably 0.5% who think that not going is the right way forward. Not a lot is it? Let’s say that for every poster there are 10 who read but never post. So that could be 5% who are being influenced. Is that enough? Never in a month of Sundays.

The only two ways to bring about change are, firstly, direct action; demonstrations, sit-ins, leaflet drops, confrontations and the like, and, secondly, a very rich person or group prepared to invest deeply in the Club and allow the three to back out with dignity. I don’t think that there is the will for the first, and I can’t see anyone meeting the second criteria, unless Philip Day takes a soft approach and considers that funding CUFC up the leagues would be good for business.

I won’t hold my breath.


To have a chance of forcing the BOD out it needs to be a well organized protest movement. I'll post my thoughts on what needs to happen in a bit, need to type up a draft first as it's a bit long.

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13 Jan 2020 10:02 #92 by nobbyblue
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I canna wait.
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13 Jan 2020 10:02 #93 by CCU
You’ll be too busy doing what Ste Patt tells you to quell the oiks when they play up!

;)

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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13 Jan 2020 10:04 #94 by nobbyblue
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Kessler wrote:

nobbyblue wrote:

sirjimmyglass wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I agree with Mouldy.

Weird as it may sound a severe drop in attendances would play right into their hands in a way. Budgets would be slashed further and they would say a league club is unsustainable given the support and it would be all our fault!


I never understand stuff like this. In what way would this be beneficial to the BOD?

They're totally incompetent, I think we all agree on that, but in what way would making us a non-league club benefit them?


You've got to understand they're not like any other BOD. They've no ambition for the club to move forward. As long as they get their days out and can lord it over the rest of us they are happy.


Then this is what we focus on. Give them 90 minutes of anti board chants at every match. Make it clear the chants will not stop until they are gone. How long do you think they will want to stay if they have to sit through a relentless stream of boos at every single match?


I was stood directly in front of the directors box on Saturday. It was absolutely pissin down and we were getting beat 3-0 and apart from a few scrotes shouting at the end there was nothing directed to the BOD.

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13 Jan 2020 10:05 #95 by nobbyblue
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Apathy rules at BP. It always has done.

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13 Jan 2020 10:26 #96 by CUFC52
You want them out ?

It’s quite simple turn on EWM and vent your displeasure at them... Phil day is a businessman, he’s not gonna damage his brand for a L2 club....

But be warry... if he goes admin looms, better in the long run ? That’s up to you to decide...

But given the happy clappers we’re giving abuse to those venting their displeasure, we’ll continue as we are until conference north is upon us....

At which point we won’t have enough fans left to give a [censored]
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13 Jan 2020 10:28 #97 by topstepwhinger
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griff wrote: So, folk stop going. What will happen?

Right, say the board, we’ll cut the playing budget again and consolidate in the National league.
Sorry groundstaff, you’re sacked, we’ll use contractors.
Sorry ticket-office staff, off you go, we’re outsourcing.
Sorry other back-office staff, half of you are sacked.
Clibbens, there’s the door.
Ditto Holdsworth.
Fewer fans, fewer stewards
Shut the Warwick, they can stand in the Paddock.

Meanwhile AJ and the two hangers-on are congratulating there selves on another crisis averted. National League North they’ll say? Well, that's what the fans wanted.

I’ve still got my ST, it costs me £25 a month for 10 months and I go to support my team and Club. Not going will NOT shift the three, EWM have cemented that into place.


My position has been to boycott and starve them of income, however you make your counter argument very well there Griff.
My response would be, would the collective egos of those in a position of power and influence be happy dropping out of the football league - possibly some would and some wouldn't.
This is probably not an issue this season, with Morecambe and Stevenage doing their best to save us, however we cant rely on that scenario next season or the season after.
It is not just what is happening on the pitch (we have had bad seasons before), it is the fact that there is nothing happening or coming out of the club to encourage anyone but the (and I salute you all) real diehards who will continue to go whatever.
It is all very well saying c'mon lets get 6-7000 fans there every week you can make the difference but we have been there before. History tells us that whenever we are on the cusp of achieving some modicum of success, instead of gambling and buying that 20 goal striker or keeping that youngster/rough diamond with potential a year or two longer, we have done the exact opposite. We haven't invested and we have 'given away' our potential assets to the first bidder. This has no doubt helped balance the books, but has also been a kick in the gonads for those paying their £20+ every other week.
If supporters can't dream of success and progression, what exactly is the point?

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13 Jan 2020 10:30 #98 by Kessler
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We should type up the main reasons/points about how the BOD are destroying the club onto leaflets and distribute those leaflets to fans outside BP on match days. Basically explaining why we think the BOD need to go, raising awareness, and encouraging as many people as possible to join in a protest against them either by boycotting or anti board chants. Don’t be abusive or intimidating towards those who ignore you and still go in to BP anyway. You need to accept that a lot of people will ignore you but that’s ok. The aim of this is to raise awareness and try gradually winning people over to the idea of a boycott or anti board protests. In order to have a chance of convincing people, they need to be willing to listen to your message. If people see you handing out leaflets but not being overly pushy, they might be more willing to come over and see what you are talking about out of curiosity. If they see you being abusive, they will keep well away and you won’t have a chance.

Those who want to protest but can’t bring themselves to boycott should be doing lots of anti board chants at every match. And it should be made clear the chants will not stop until the BOD are gone. Again don’t be abusive or intimidating, as that will just give them an easy excuse to kick you out. They say they have no problem with receiving criticism as long as there is no bad language, so let’s give them plenty of criticism within those parameters.

If you are kicked out for an anti board chant, don’t kick off at the response team. Just ask them to confirm that you are being kicked out for protesting against the BOD and ask who gave the order to kick you out. Then submit a formal written complaint to the club the next day and asking for a full investigation into why you were ejected for criticism when the BOD have explicitly said criticism is allowed. And write to Jon Colman at the News and Star telling him about the incident.

At the same time we should be trying to reason with Jenkins and make him see that while he might be a fan and truly want what’s best, the best thing now is actually for him and the other two to leave. They are holding the club back and dragging it down, if he really cares about the club he should leave. Ask him how he would like people to remember him, and point out that if things stay the same he will probably be known as the man who destroyed Carlisle United. If he doesn’t want people to remember him for that, then stand down.

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13 Jan 2020 10:31 #99 by Kessler
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Or we can sit on here moaning. Maybe that will change things.

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13 Jan 2020 10:37 #100 by triskelionblue
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Onlyfoolsandhorses wrote: This will go right down to the end of the season game, another jimmy glass moment won’t be happening and then everyone will be on saying the BOD ruined the club, Been saying that for past 7 seasons every season because it’s slowly but sureLy been getting worse.
January is so important because if this team is not strengthened it will go down . There s no improvement happening


I would suggest the demise has been going on for more than the past 7 seasons under these muppets... it started almost immediately they took over...
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