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20 Jan 2020 14:40 #1 by paddockite
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Why is this taking so long to organise?

It is now almost 18 months (September 2018), from when we last had a directors fans forum.

We had one in August, but that was a football panel, excluding Clibbens. It was mentioned earlier in the season, and also in the December CUSG minutes, about having a directors forum.

I thought by EFL rules clubs were meant to have 2 directors forums per season? Anyone would think it's being avoided!
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20 Jan 2020 14:53 #2 by paddockite
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James Phillips also confirmed last week that BBCRC have a Sports Show 7pm - 10pm on Tuesdays, but has just confirmed on Twitter that's there's been no contact made to host it on there platform (the last few haven't either, but that was due to timings).

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20 Jan 2020 14:59 #3 by NORTHERNSOUL
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paddockite wrote: James Phillips also confirmed last week that BBCRC have a Sports Show 7pm - 10pm on Tuesdays, but has just confirmed on Twitter that's there's been no contact made to host it on there platform (the last few haven't either, but that was due to timings).


It needs to be kept off the radio 8 pm start half-price beer and nobody goes home till everyone's questions are answered.

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20 Jan 2020 15:02 #4 by borderterrier
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I’m past caring what tripe they purvey. I wouldn’t darken the door under there roof. When they go I’ll come back until then away games only.
All they will do is make excuse, pass the blame. Bluff and bluster.
I really couldn’t care less about anything they have to say.

It is my belief that CUFC is owned and run by (undisclosed). CLUBKILLERS
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21 Jan 2020 17:57 #5 by franksidebottom
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What’s the point? Few go and even fewer speak up.

“Yeah, I know of Barry. Bit of a fantasist” - John Courtenay 2003
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21 Jan 2020 17:59 #6 by CCU
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franksidebottom wrote: What’s the point? Few go and even fewer speak up.


This. Same old half a dozen folk who ask the Q’s every time...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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21 Jan 2020 18:11 #7 by Wukkie
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Maybe it would actually 'out' Kessler although I doubt that very much.
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21 Jan 2020 18:26 #8 by paddockite
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CCU wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: What’s the point? Few go and even fewer speak up.


This. Same old half a dozen folk who ask the Q’s every time...


Well, regardless of what you think of them, by EFL rules clubs are meant to have 2 per season, we havent had one.

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21 Jan 2020 19:22 #9 by Kessler
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Wukkie wrote: Maybe it would actually 'out' Kessler although I doubt that very much.


How dare I want to keep my job.

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21 Jan 2020 19:29 #10 by Mush
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

paddockite wrote: James Phillips also confirmed last week that BBCRC have a Sports Show 7pm - 10pm on Tuesdays, but has just confirmed on Twitter that's there's been no contact made to host it on there platform (the last few haven't either, but that was due to timings).


It needs to be kept off the radio 8 pm start half-price beer and nobody goes home till everyone's questions are answered.


and whatever happens in the room stays in the room!

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21 Jan 2020 20:04 #11 by melbourneblues
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Wukkie wrote: Maybe it would actually 'out' Kessler although I doubt that very much.


That’s a disgusting thing to say, we haven’t even determined whether it’s a woman yet and you’re saying she bats for the other side.

Mullen is a virgin.

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21 Jan 2020 20:10 #12 by Kessler
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melbourneblues wrote:

Wukkie wrote: Maybe it would actually 'out' Kessler although I doubt that very much.


That’s a disgusting thing to say, we haven’t even determined whether it’s a woman yet and you’re saying she bats for the other side.


He or she wants very much to keep their job.

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21 Jan 2020 20:42 #13 by High Street
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You must be raking it in working 4 hours every fortnight.
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22 Jan 2020 09:00 #14 by nobbyblue
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I've reported them to the EFL about this.

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22 Jan 2020 10:35 #15 by melbourneblues
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Grass

Mullen is a virgin.
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22 Jan 2020 14:51 #16 by lbtufty
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High Street wrote: You must be raking it in working 4 hours every fortnight.


You're forgetting all those cash-in-hand ironing jobs.

"If the world didn't suck, we'd all fall off."

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23 Jan 2020 13:15 #17 by Kessler
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Will Steve Patt be going to this? There are still questions to be answered about the alleged incident after the Northampton match, those questions will not go away.

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23 Jan 2020 13:49 #18 by CCU
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If he does, and that subject is broached, be a good time for us all to nip to the Toilet or the Bar...

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23 Jan 2020 14:13 #19 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: If he does, and that subject is broached, be a good time for us all to nip to the Toilet or the Bar...


That's up to them, but personally I think getting answers and transparency from the people running our club is important.

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23 Jan 2020 14:14 #20 by topstepwhinger
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Kessler wrote: Will Steve Patt be going to this? There are still questions to be answered about the alleged incident after the Northampton match, those questions will not go away.


They have gone from everywhere apart from inside your head Kes.
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23 Jan 2020 14:20 #21 by Kessler
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topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote: Will Steve Patt be going to this? There are still questions to be answered about the alleged incident after the Northampton match, those questions will not go away.


They have gone from everywhere apart from inside your head Kes.


And I can't understand why people aren't pushing for answers about that night. We say the BOD don't have any pride in the club, but it feels like a lot of fans don't have any pride in the club either. A director was accused of challenging a fan to a fight, but fans are happy for that director to continue on the board rather than demand answers.

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23 Jan 2020 14:24 #22 by Southernblue
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Kessler wrote:

topstepwhinger wrote:

Kessler wrote: Will Steve Patt be going to this? There are still questions to be answered about the alleged incident after the Northampton match, those questions will not go away.


They have gone from everywhere apart from inside your head Kes.


And I can't understand why people aren't pushing for answers about that night. We say the BOD don't have any pride in the club, but it feels like a lot of fans don't have any pride in the club either. A director was accused of challenging a fan to a fight, but fans are happy for that director to continue on the board rather than demand answers.


Yet the fan he was accused of challenging to a fight hasn't made a complaint or said anything else about it. If the person concerned has done nothing about it then no-one else can as no-one else has made a complaint on their behalf either. So unless the person concerned or somone who witnessed it makes a complaint there currently isn't anything else to be answered other than what they have said already.

We all know the BOD need to go, but one person asking about something that no-one reported from 4 months ago isn't going to have any impact on that
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23 Jan 2020 14:29 #23 by Waltero
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When you ask the question will you be revealing your real name or from behind a screen. I'll definitely be attending when and if they have the balls to arrange a forum.

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23 Jan 2020 14:31 #24 by topstepwhinger
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Of course a lot of fans have lost the feeling of pride they once had for the club.
We have a ***t team ' playing in a ***t stadium struggling to stay in a ***t league, all being overseen by has beens and freeloaders.
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23 Jan 2020 14:44 #25 by Kessler
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Southernblue wrote: Yet the fan he was accused of challenging to a fight hasn't made a complaint or said anything else about it. If the person concerned has done nothing about it then no-one else can as no-one else has made a complaint on their behalf either. So unless the person concerned or somone who witnessed it makes a complaint there currently isn't anything else to be answered other than what they have said already.

We all know the BOD need to go, but one person asking about something that no-one reported from 4 months ago isn't going to have any impact on that


Why do you think the fan hasn't made a complaint? Is it because they have no problem with the way they were treated, or because they just think a complaint is pointless and just get swept under the carpet?

I know that one person asking questions might not have an impact. But I'm not prepared to sit back and watch these people slowly destroy the club I love. What should I do instead?

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23 Jan 2020 14:52 #26 by Kessler
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topstepwhinger wrote: Of course a lot of fans have lost the feeling of pride they once had for the club.
We have a ***t team ' playing in a ***t stadium struggling to stay in a ***t league, all being overseen by has beens and freeloaders.


Yes, and that's why I ask questions and "go on" about stuff, because I think the way the club has been run over the past decade deserves severe criticism. I love the club, I don't want to just sit back and do nothing as it is slowly destroyed. So if I shouldn't ask questions about stuff, what should I do instead?

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23 Jan 2020 14:57 #27 by CCU
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Direct folk to their seats as a paid minion of the BoD...

;)

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23 Jan 2020 15:05 #28 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: Direct folk to their seats as a paid minion of the BoD...

;)


And how does that challenge their disastrous running of the club over the last decade? :)

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23 Jan 2020 15:10 #29 by Arragorn
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Kess Are you going to go if/when there is a Forum & ask Ste Patt for an answer????? Because if you don't I am sure no one else will
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23 Jan 2020 15:11 #30 by Southernblue
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Southernblue wrote: Yet the fan he was accused of challenging to a fight hasn't made a complaint or said anything else about it. If the person concerned has done nothing about it then no-one else can as no-one else has made a complaint on their behalf either. So unless the person concerned or somone who witnessed it makes a complaint there currently isn't anything else to be answered other than what they have said already.

We all know the BOD need to go, but one person asking about something that no-one reported from 4 months ago isn't going to have any impact on that


Why do you think the fan hasn't made a complaint? Is it because they have no problem with the way they were treated, or because they just think a complaint is pointless and just get swept under the carpet?

I know that one person asking questions might not have an impact. But I'm not prepared to sit back and watch these people slowly destroy the club I love. What should I do instead?


were you actually present for the original incident? Do you know exactly what was said?

It's not sitting back and being happy with how the club is run, it's picking the points that are important. Who actually runs the club, what's happening to the money that's coming in, etc etc. SP has offered to fight a fan at a previous forum with witnesses etc and nothing happened then so whilst your desire to question and hold them to account is admirable, perhaps picking a more pertinent topic would be a better use of your time and effort

Of all the directors and their impact on the future of this club he is probably the most insignificant
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23 Jan 2020 15:38 #31 by Kessler
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Southernblue wrote: were you actually present for the original incident? Do you know exactly what was said?

It's not sitting back and being happy with how the club is run, it's picking the points that are important. Who actually runs the club, what's happening to the money that's coming in, etc etc. SP has offered to fight a fan at a previous forum with witnesses etc and nothing happened then so whilst your desire to question and hold them to account is admirable, perhaps picking a more pertinent topic would be a better use of your time and effort

Of all the directors and their impact on the future of this club he is probably the most insignificant


If there's an accusation that a director challenged a fan to a fight then I think that is an important issue. You say that nothing happened after his comments at a previous forum, but what did you or other fans actually do to try and make anything happen, did you submit a formal complaint to the club (and then escalate it to the independent football ombudsman if the response wasn't satisfactory), did you protest, did you boycott, did you go to the media? I didn't see the incident itself, no.

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23 Jan 2020 15:46 #32 by Southernblue
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Southernblue wrote: were you actually present for the original incident? Do you know exactly what was said?

It's not sitting back and being happy with how the club is run, it's picking the points that are important. Who actually runs the club, what's happening to the money that's coming in, etc etc. SP has offered to fight a fan at a previous forum with witnesses etc and nothing happened then so whilst your desire to question and hold them to account is admirable, perhaps picking a more pertinent topic would be a better use of your time and effort

Of all the directors and their impact on the future of this club he is probably the most insignificant


If there's an accusation that a director challenged a fan to a fight then I think that is an important issue. You say that nothing happened after his comments at a previous forum, but what did you or other fans actually do to try and make anything happen, did you submit a formal complaint to the club (and then escalate it to the independent football ombudsman if the response wasn't satisfactory), did you protest, did you boycott, did you go to the media? I didn't see the incident itself, no.


Like your situation I wasn't there and didn't see the incident but I know people who were there and witnessed it, but the outcome was he's still on the board.

But you have either missed or chosen to ignore the point. In the grand scheme of things going after SP is like going after a tea lady. The people that need to feel the pressure are EWM/Nixon/Jenkins, the ones that are either supporting or tied in with personal guarantees not some hanger on who once his mates go will be trying to get out the door as quickly as possible.
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23 Jan 2020 16:02 #33 by Arragorn
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I was at that forum and to be honest it was more comical than serious. Made SP look an even bigger idiot.
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23 Jan 2020 16:06 #34 by topstepwhinger
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Kes, like southernblue I admire your tenacity in wanting to ask questions and hold them to account (which is only right), however at this moment in time the only thing that matters is what are they going to to to help ensure we retain our league status. Because if we go down this time (unless that in itself results in a change in ownership) we wont be coming back in a hurry.
We only just made it back last time and that was with the help of a progressive owner and half decent manager - not to mention better players.

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23 Jan 2020 16:10 #35 by Kessler
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Southernblue wrote: Like your situation I wasn't there and didn't see the incident but I know people who were there and witnessed it, but the outcome was he's still on the board.

But you have either missed or chosen to ignore the point. In the grand scheme of things going after SP is like going after a tea lady. The people that need to feel the pressure are EWM/Nixon/Jenkins, the ones that are either supporting or tied in with personal guarantees not some hanger on who once his mates go will be trying to get out the door as quickly as possible.


And do you think he would still be on the board if everyone present at that forum had submitted formal complaints to the club, and then escalated those complaints to the ombudsman if there wasn't a satisfactory response? Yes in the grand scheme of things SP is irrelevant but surely if you saw one of the directors of your club challenging a fan to fight you would want them out? It just feels like there is so much apathy, people moan that nothing changes but they haven't actually done anything to try changing things, they obviously just expect things to change by themselves. I ask questions about issues I feel are important because that's better than doing nothing. What can I do instead, I don't want to just sit and watch them destroy the club I love?

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23 Jan 2020 16:15 #36 by Southernblue
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Then ask the questions about the things that are important,

Ownership of the club
What we are doing to recruit players to keep us out of the Vanarama National League
What does Holdsworth do to justify his wage
What are EWM planing to do with the club

These are the important issues not the fact some non entity director allegedly offered to fight a fan.

If you want to do something push them on these and many other topics that are far more pertinent and important than whether SP offered to fight someone or not. Until someone actually submits a complaint the response on that won't change and would waste time that should be devoted to things that matter far more at the current time.
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23 Jan 2020 16:35 #37 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Southernblue wrote: Then ask the questions about the things that are important,

Ownership of the club
What we are doing to recruit players to keep us out of the Vanarama National League
What does Holdsworth do to justify his wage
What are EWM planing to do with the club

These are the important issues not the fact some non entity director allegedly offered to fight a fan.

If you want to do something push them on these and many other topics that are far more pertinent and important than whether SP offered to fight someone or not. Until someone actually submits a complaint the response on that won't change and would waste time that should be devoted to things that matter far more at the current time.



Or take your grievance up with him personally when you're both in the same place on Saturday

No, I didn't think so !!!
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23 Jan 2020 16:37 #38 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Southernblue wrote: Then ask the questions about the things that are important,

Ownership of the club
What we are doing to recruit players to keep us out of the Vanarama National League
What does Holdsworth do to justify his wage
What are EWM planing to do with the club

These are the important issues not the fact some non entity director allegedly offered to fight a fan.

If you want to do something push them on these and many other topics that are far more pertinent and important than whether SP offered to fight someone or not. Until someone actually submits a complaint the response on that won't change and would waste time that should be devoted to things that matter far more at the current time.



Or take your grievance up with him personally when you're both in the same place on Saturday

No, I didn't think so !!!


Then I'd be sacked.

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23 Jan 2020 16:40 #39 by Kessler
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topstepwhinger wrote: Kes, like southernblue I admire your tenacity in wanting to ask questions and hold them to account (which is only right), however at this moment in time the only thing that matters is what are they going to to to help ensure we retain our league status. Because if we go down this time (unless that in itself results in a change in ownership) we wont be coming back in a hurry.
We only just made it back last time and that was with the help of a progressive owner and half decent manager - not to mention better players.


Thanks, I know there are bigger issues facing the club right now but the directors conduct just bugs me. The big problem facing the club right now is fighting to survive in the football league. A depressing state of affairs from when they took over and there was a very real chance of us getting into the Championship :(

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23 Jan 2020 16:47 #40 by Arragorn
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Kess if you are not prepared to do anything why do you expect others to? You are the one doing all the whinging but keep trotting out " I will get the sack" mantra.
Surely you must have another full time job so why not sacrifice your few hours every other Saturday during the football season and get a protest organised as you obviously feel so strongly about it.
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23 Jan 2020 16:57 #41 by Kessler
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Arragorn wrote: Kess if you are not prepared to do anything why do you expect others to? You are the one doing all the whinging but keep trotting out " I will get the sack" mantra.
Surely you must have another full time job so why not sacrifice your few hours every other Saturday during the football season and get a protest organised as you obviously feel so strongly about it.


But I am doing something, however small. I'm asking questions and challenging what I see as horrendous running of the club. It's good to see more people asking questions to the CUSG group now. There was also talk about a protest in December and even though it didn't happen in the end, it's good to see people are starting to get involved in discussing and organizing and trying to change things. I get criticized for going on about stuff but I don't see what else I can do, I don't want to just sit back and watch the club that I love die a slow death. On our own, fans have very little power. MRF boycotts home matches and the financial impact of that doesn't even register. But imagine 1000 other fans boycotting with him, suddenly that would start having more impact.

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23 Jan 2020 17:00 #42 by Kessler
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Arragorn wrote: Kess if you are not prepared to do anything why do you expect others to? You are the one doing all the whinging but keep trotting out " I will get the sack" mantra.
Surely you must have another full time job so why not sacrifice your few hours every other Saturday during the football season and get a protest organised as you obviously feel so strongly about it.


I don't want to lose those extra hours :(

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23 Jan 2020 18:16 #43 by melbourneblues
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Just because you keep talking about things doesn’t mean you are actually doing anything, in fact everything you talk about doing falls at the first hurdle, your so called protest was farcical then called off, and then you had to give up your unhealthy obsession with the SP incident because you couldn’t find a victim.
You keep saying you’re asking questions but that is doing sweet FA get off your arse if you’re that bothered and organise something otherwise stop asking other people to do what you are not prepared to do yourself.

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23 Jan 2020 18:32 #44 by Kessler
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melbourneblues wrote: Just because you keep talking about things doesn’t mean you are actually doing anything, in fact everything you talk about doing falls at the first hurdle, your so called protest was farcical then called off, and then you had to give up your unhealthy obsession with the SP incident because you couldn’t find a victim.
You keep saying you’re asking questions but that is doing sweet FA get off your arse if you’re that bothered and organise something otherwise stop asking other people to do what you are not prepared to do yourself.


So what would you like me to do instead then? I don't want to just sit back and watch the club I love die, but I can't go to a protest because they will sack me. If you have any better ideas for what I should do to try and help the club, please tell me as I'd welcome suggestions.

I haven't given up trying to get answers about the Northampton incident, I've just stopped asking about it at CUSG. Nigel said that all questions are welcome but I wasn't allowed to ask any more questions about that specific incident. All questions are welcome apart from the ones they don't want to answer it seems....

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23 Jan 2020 18:38 #45 by kells
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Oh good we’re talking about the “incident” again. Joy.
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23 Jan 2020 18:39 #46 by melbourneblues
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That’s me finished with ‘it’ he/she is obviously on the wind up nobody could be that thick.

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23 Jan 2020 19:10 #47 by CCU
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Kessler wrote: All questions are welcome apart from the ones they don't want to answer it seems....


Incorrect.

Your Q was dealt with via the CUSG Q’s. You didn’t like the reply so were advised to follow it up personally.

Right, I’m off to the Ombudsman... :)

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23 Jan 2020 19:50 #48 by Kessler
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CCU wrote:

Kessler wrote: All questions are welcome apart from the ones they don't want to answer it seems....


Incorrect.

Your Q was dealt with via the CUSG Q’s. You didn’t like the reply so were advised to follow it up personally.

Right, I’m off to the Ombudsman... :)


That's not quite true CCU. While my initial question was answered at a CUSG meeting, new information came to light after that meeting which seemed to contradict the response that Nigel gave and I wanted to ask what his thoughts were about that discrepancy. It wasn't just me "not being happy with the response" which is the narrative you seem to be peddling.

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23 Jan 2020 19:55 #49 by Dancingbear
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Kessler either turn up at the forum when ever it gets organised and ask the questions you want answered or shut the [censored] up and stop boring everyone to death with your inane drivel FFS.

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23 Jan 2020 20:02 #50 by Bruntonpasty
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Dancingbear wrote: Kessler either turn up at the forum when ever it gets organised and ask the questions you want answered or shut the [censored] up and stop boring everyone to death with your inane drivel FFS.


Not sure I get what you're saying there Dancingbear, could you perhaps clarify?.............

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