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13 Feb 2020 09:22 #251 by Kessler
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Does the thought of an employee having an independent mind and being prepared to contradict or challenge your world views scare you?

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13 Feb 2020 10:15 #252 by Mr Banks
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Kessler wrote: Does the thought of an employee having an independent mind and being prepared to contradict or challenge your world views scare you?


There is a big difference between people expressing their view in a private or general forum and

contradicting or challenging the world view of your employer.

It just doesn't work; people should be welcomed and encouraged to express their view in the work place - but if the employer is not in agreement then that is the end of the matter.

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13 Feb 2020 10:20 #253 by Kessler
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Mr Banks wrote:

Kessler wrote: Does the thought of an employee having an independent mind and being prepared to contradict or challenge your world views scare you?


There is a big difference between people expressing their view in a private or general forum and

contradicting or challenging the world view of your employer.

It just doesn't work; people should be welcomed and encouraged to express their view in the work place - but if the employer is not in agreement then that is the end of the matter.


Yes in the workplace. But we aren't talking about that, we are talking about employees having a different opinion or criticizing the employers views on stuff outside of work.

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13 Feb 2020 10:23 #254 by Laffy
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I wonder how long Kes with his independent mind would last on a Nissan production line?

Kes-what people do behind their front door is of no interest to me.Im only concerned about how they behave on company business and that they are happy and productive.

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13 Feb 2020 10:28 #255 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: I wonder how long Kes with his independent mind would last on a Nissan production line?

Kes-what people do behind their front door is of no interest to me.Im only concerned about how they behave on company business and that they are happy and productive.


I do just fine on company time, I show up and do the job I'm paid for and do what is asked, am both happy and productive. If you don't care what employees do in their own time, why did you say you would apply different recruitment standards to me and piglet based on our views on here?

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13 Feb 2020 10:31 #256 by Kessler
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I've managed to work for the club for about 5 years without letting my personal view of Jenkins Nixon and Patt affect the job I do, you would be no different.

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13 Feb 2020 10:40 #257 by Laffy
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It’s not your view on me Kes-it’s your view on how private companies should be run-note the word private.Given I own it, it’s my/the board’s decision, not yours-though I would constantly listen to the views of the workforce.Would be mad not to.

Maybe I was being unfair about Patty at the time-he’s been smart enough to not get involved in loaning money or personal guarantees, leaving it to others, but he has still managed to retain his position throughout.

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13 Feb 2020 10:54 #258 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: It’s not your view on me Kes-it’s your view on how private companies should be run-note the word private.Given I own it, it’s my/the board’s decision, not yours-though I would constantly listen to the views of the workforce.Would be mad not to.

Maybe I was being unfair about Patty at the time-he’s been smart enough to not get involved in loaning money or personal guarantees, leaving it to others, but he has still managed to retain his position throughout.


But as long as I expressed those views outside of company time, and it didn't interfere with my work, and I was still doing well, why would it be an issue? It almost sounds like you're saying that employees shouldn't be allowed to have a different opinion about capitalism or private companies, even in their own private time.

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13 Feb 2020 11:01 #259 by Laffy
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FFS-you’re obsessed Kes

Let’s go back to basics-Say I employ you.I pay you, I give you free equity,holidays, pension, healthcare.In return I want you to work in a team sharing a common set of goals-employ happy people, create value for all stakeholders and look after the customers.

Is it too much to ask that you fit in with the rest?

Or do you want me to deploy FIFO rule?Fit in or [censored] off
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13 Feb 2020 11:02 #260 by Kessler
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Do you understand that while you pay employees to do a job, you don't actually own them, that they are free to have their own time outside of work and to have different views about economics, capitalism, even if those views are very different to yours? As long as it doesn't affect the work they do on company time, it's really none of your business. It may be your company, but you don't have the right to discriminate against employees.

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13 Feb 2020 11:09 #261 by Kessler
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Laffy wrote: FFS-you’re obsessed Kes

Let’s go back to basics-Say I employ you.I pay you, I give you free equity,holidays, pension, healthcare.In return I want you to work in a team sharing a common set of goals-employ happy people, create value for all stakeholders and look after the customers.

Is it too much to ask that you fit in with the rest?

Or do you want me to deploy FIFO rule?Fit in or [censored] off


In that scenario I would do the job you asked to the best of my ability and work as a team towards the goals you set. I couldn't change my political beliefs though. But I don't think that would matter, it wouldn't affect my ability to do the job or fit in, as I don't believe in discussing politics at work. It can create unnecessary tension, better to just leave politics at the door and get on with the job professionally. If your workforce was mainly atheist and you hired a Muslim and they were getting along fine, would you ask them to change their religious beliefs to "fit in" with the rest of the workforce?

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13 Feb 2020 11:19 #262 by Bruntonpasty
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JESUS [censored] CHRIST KESSLER!!!! GIVE IT A REST YOU BORING [censored]! STOP HIJACKING EVERY THREAD GOING........ LAFFY, I'LL CHIP OIN WITH YOU FOR THE WEBSTER POT SHOT THING OR PERHAPS WE COULD CROWD FUND AN ASSASSINATION?

yes, the capitals were very necessary to try and shut the BORING, BORING [censored] up!!!

They don't like it up 'em!
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13 Feb 2020 11:22 #263 by Laffy
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It’s very clear the medication has worn off.Im also beginning to think I need some protection.

Kes-you are well meaning I’m sure but let’s just drop this and move on.

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13 Feb 2020 11:30 #264 by Southernblue
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To try and get this back on topic, anyone know when the answers to the social media questions are going to be published?

I'd asked one about the Park View link up and genuinely interested to hear their thoughts on it

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13 Feb 2020 11:40 #265 by Kessler
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Yes Laffy let's move on, first thing we agree on in ages.

Southernblue wrote: To try and get this back on topic, anyone know when the answers to the social media questions are going to be published?

I'd asked one about the Park View link up and genuinely interested to hear their thoughts on it


Usually with stuff like this the club does end up publishing but you have to chase it up and keep asking before they do. If it hasn't been published before the next CUSG meeting I will include that as one of my questions.

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13 Feb 2020 11:58 #266 by Waltero
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You have to be careful critisising your employer on social media. I know a few people who have been sacked for doing so. Probably been grassed up so be careful who you upset on this board. But I feel in your case you've already done that

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13 Feb 2020 12:00 #267 by Kessler
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Waltero wrote: You have to be careful critisising your employer on social media. I know a few people who have been sacked for doing so. Probably been grassed up so be careful who you upset on this board. But I feel in your case you've already done that


Thanks Waltero but I suspect Patty and Clibbens already know what I think of them.

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13 Feb 2020 12:08 #268 by Arragorn
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And they may well know who you are too

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13 Feb 2020 12:09 #269 by Kessler
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Arragorn wrote: And they may well know who you are too


So?

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13 Feb 2020 12:14 #270 by Waltero
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Patty definitely knows who I am and Nixon. If they suspected who you were you'd be down the road by now so don't flatter yourself. Anyway I'm going back to my Blonde bit on the side. She's from Corby by the way
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13 Feb 2020 12:20 #271 by Kessler
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Waltero wrote: Patty definitely knows who I am and Nixon. If they suspected who you were you'd be down the road by now so don't flatter yourself. Anyway I'm going back to my Blonde bit on the side. She's from Corby by the way


Down the road?

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13 Feb 2020 12:22 #272 by heilkmoon
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The feeling upon logging in to see that the latest post is by Kessler on the subject of Directors Fans Forum is pretty similar to that when checking the scores and seeing we're 1-0 down after ten minutes.
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13 Feb 2020 13:28 #273 by Kessler
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heilkmoon wrote: The feeling upon logging in to see that the latest post is by Kessler on the subject of Directors Fans Forum is pretty similar to that when checking the scores and seeing we're 1-0 down after ten minutes.


Optimism that everything will turn out ok in the end?

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13 Feb 2020 17:33 #274 by munchymagic
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Bit unfair Kes, Laffy was kind enough to answer all of your questions and when you got enough information you just throw all of the things back at him that you don't like about him personally.

Some days I think you just wake up with a bee in your bonnet Kes and wait for him to log on to rant about equality, we are all very aware of your views on this.

If Nixon and co know who you are then why all the secrecy about yourself - I can imagine if you didn't work for Carlisle United you still wouldn't be fronting any uprising.

You can argue otherwise but anyone who feels that strongly about something wouldn't let a few hours pay stand in their way of achieving their goal.
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13 Feb 2020 18:05 #275 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote: Bit unfair Kes, Laffy was kind enough to answer all of your questions and when you got enough information you just throw all of the things back at him that you don't like about him personally.

Some days I think you just wake up with a bee in your bonnet Kes and wait for him to log on to rant about equality, we are all very aware of your views on this.

If Nixon and co know who you are then why all the secrecy about yourself - I can imagine if you didn't work for Carlisle United you still wouldn't be fronting any uprising.

You can argue otherwise but anyone who feels that strongly about something wouldn't let a few hours pay stand in their way of achieving their goal.


I don't think the BOD know which of their staff I am, else they would have (tried) to sack me by now.

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13 Feb 2020 18:17 #276 by Waltero
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Nobody knows who or what you are
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13 Feb 2020 18:25 #277 by Arragorn
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maybe they do know and cant be arsed to bother with an insignificant boring part timer who may or may not turn up for work
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13 Feb 2020 18:26 #278 by munchymagic
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Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Bit unfair Kes, Laffy was kind enough to answer all of your questions and when you got enough information you just throw all of the things back at him that you don't like about him personally.

Some days I think you just wake up with a bee in your bonnet Kes and wait for him to log on to rant about equality, we are all very aware of your views on this.

If Nixon and co know who you are then why all the secrecy about yourself - I can imagine if you didn't work for Carlisle United you still wouldn't be fronting any uprising.

You can argue otherwise but anyone who feels that strongly about something wouldn't let a few hours pay stand in their way of achieving their goal.


I don't think the BOD know which of their staff I am, else they would have (tried) to sack me by now.


I think you like the attention.

I also think that you are somehow perversely enjoying playing a cat and mouse game with your employers which will end in only one way.

That is if you are genuine.

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13 Feb 2020 18:58 #279 by Molly123
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munchymagic wrote:

Kessler wrote:

munchymagic wrote: Bit unfair Kes, Laffy was kind enough to answer all of your questions and when you got enough information you just throw all of the things back at him that you don't like about him personally.

Some days I think you just wake up with a bee in your bonnet Kes and wait for him to log on to rant about equality, we are all very aware of your views on this.

If Nixon and co know who you are then why all the secrecy about yourself - I can imagine if you didn't work for Carlisle United you still wouldn't be fronting any uprising.

You can argue otherwise but anyone who feels that strongly about something wouldn't let a few hours pay stand in their way of achieving their goal.


I don't think the BOD know which of their staff I am, else they would have (tried) to sack me by now.


I think you like the attention.

I also think that you are somehow perversely enjoying playing a cat and mouse game with your employers which will end in only one way.

That is if you are genuine.


Tell you what he is, same as Piglet, a pain in the arse
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13 Feb 2020 20:20 #280 by Flatcap
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Have you been sacked yet?

If not [censored] Off

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13 Feb 2020 20:54 #281 by Highland Blue
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I try not to read too many of Kesslers posts now as Im sure she/he must be on the wind up and its so boring to trot out the same crap about capitalism compared to their socialism ideals and work ethics its such much naive waffling. Also think the style of her/his posts has changed over the months which makes me wonder about the genuineness although it could be they are learning and adapting.
In a away her/his posts remind me of my youthful philosophical views which although tend to stick with me they have been modified in the real world.
All in I agree with Bumble's thoughts after she asked Kessler if she was working at BP and the response was something like 'not sure' and this a few hours before kick off!
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13 Feb 2020 21:47 #282 by Kessler
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Highland Blue wrote: I try not to read too many of Kesslers posts now as Im sure she/he must be on the wind up and its so boring to trot out the same crap about capitalism compared to their socialism ideals and work ethics its such much naive waffling. Also think the style of her/his posts has changed over the months which makes me wonder about the genuineness although it could be they are learning and adapting.
In a away her/his posts remind me of my youthful philosophical views which although tend to stick with me they have been modified in the real world.
All in I agree with Bumble's thoughts after she asked Kessler if she was working at BP and the response was something like 'not sure' and this a few hours before kick off!


Bumble is wrong, I do genuinely work at the club. I'm vague about things because the club do look at what gets posted here, so I don't feel comfortable giving too much specific details. I left it a few months before even confirming to munchy I wasn't the steward he chatted with ages ago.

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13 Feb 2020 23:43 #283 by munchymagic
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Kessler wrote:

Highland Blue wrote: I try not to read too many of Kesslers posts now as Im sure she/he must be on the wind up and its so boring to trot out the same crap about capitalism compared to their socialism ideals and work ethics its such much naive waffling. Also think the style of her/his posts has changed over the months which makes me wonder about the genuineness although it could be they are learning and adapting.
In a away her/his posts remind me of my youthful philosophical views which although tend to stick with me they have been modified in the real world.
All in I agree with Bumble's thoughts after she asked Kessler if she was working at BP and the response was something like 'not sure' and this a few hours before kick off!


Bumble is wrong, I do genuinely work at the club. I'm vague about things because the club do look at what gets posted here, so I don't feel comfortable giving too much specific details. I left it a few months before even confirming to munchy I wasn't the steward he chatted with ages ago.


Do you still go in The Joiners Kes?

I still go in but not so much now as it isn't as great strangely enough watching my mate get slowly loud and merry :)
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13 Feb 2020 23:49 #284 by Kessler
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munchymagic wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Highland Blue wrote: I try not to read too many of Kesslers posts now as Im sure she/he must be on the wind up and its so boring to trot out the same crap about capitalism compared to their socialism ideals and work ethics its such much naive waffling. Also think the style of her/his posts has changed over the months which makes me wonder about the genuineness although it could be they are learning and adapting.
In a away her/his posts remind me of my youthful philosophical views which although tend to stick with me they have been modified in the real world.
All in I agree with Bumble's thoughts after she asked Kessler if she was working at BP and the response was something like 'not sure' and this a few hours before kick off!


Bumble is wrong, I do genuinely work at the club. I'm vague about things because the club do look at what gets posted here, so I don't feel comfortable giving too much specific details. I left it a few months before even confirming to munchy I wasn't the steward he chatted with ages ago.


Do you still go in The Joiners Kes?

I still go in but not so much now as it isn't as great strangely enough watching my mate get slowly loud and merry :)


Not since that time we were in that I mentioned

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