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01 Mar 2020 23:21 #101 by carwash
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Howoldboy of course the virus has spread from Italy. Nearly every European country has been infected by a traveller from Northern Italy. There must be at least 1,000 active carriers in Italy to have had such 'success' in infecting travellers there. This is a very good article from the Guardian which has a helpful graphic showing the spread.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/28/co...detected#maincontent

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01 Mar 2020 23:35 #102 by Urban Designer
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I agree that the virus has spread to a lot of countries directly from Italy as they are not taking it seriously including the continents of Africa and South America.

Also agree that it will be rampant in the UK soon as we too are not taking it seriously enough. There is one case in the south where he has not been to an affected area. Try backtracking contacts and then their contacts - impossible. NHS is not equipped to cope. Millennials might be ok as they have been self isolating for 20 years.

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01 Mar 2020 23:35 #103 by howoldboy
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I agree. But if you are going to use that logic you could also say it has spread across Europe from England. Remember the Brighton "superspreader" scoutmaster.

www.brightonandhovenews.org/2020/02/11/h...s-from-hospital-bed/

The virus came from China. Read that Guardian article you are quoting from:-

"A viral outbreak that began in China has infected more than 83,000 people globally, with almost 3,000 deaths. As the list of countries hit by the illness edged towards 60, with Mexico, Belarus, Lithuania, New Zealand, Nigeria, Azerbaijan and the Netherlands reporting their first cases, the threats to livelihoods were increasingly eyed as warily as the threats to lives".

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02 Mar 2020 00:47 #104 by munchymagic
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I reckon you just have to be one of the lucky ones that can fight it off as eventually everyone will become in contact with it.

My immune system is knacked so that will probably be me [censored] then.
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02 Mar 2020 00:49 #105 by howoldboy
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You deserve to be one of the lucky ones Munchy.
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02 Mar 2020 00:58 #106 by munchymagic
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howoldboy wrote: You deserve to be one of the lucky ones Munchy.


Cheers pal - you too.
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02 Mar 2020 01:06 #107 by Bluedazblue
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carwash wrote: No it seems clear the death rate is around 1-2% but if 5 million Brits become infected it could mean 100,000 extra deaths. Blood groups and genetically-derived resistance might help to explain how some people display no symptoms while others get it bad.


Any link to this?

I'm blood group 'O' by the way.

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02 Mar 2020 02:19 #108 by Urban Designer
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As most will know on here I'm into stats and have been following this since it was mentioned on the news.

The BBC news was very recently world respected but not any more and you can see it with the lack of quality (presenters and insight) and budget cuts.\\

Sky news which was seen as joke at its launch and the 1970s-80s John Cravens New Round is/ was more in depth.

Keep on eye on this if you can do the math (millennia's)/maths
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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02 Mar 2020 07:50 #109 by Kessler
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Urban Designer wrote: I agree that the virus has spread to a lot of countries directly from Italy as they are not taking it seriously including the continents of Africa and South America.

Also agree that it will be rampant in the UK soon as we too are not taking it seriously enough. There is one case in the south where he has not been to an affected area. Try backtracking contacts and then their contacts - impossible. NHS is not equipped to cope. Millennials might be ok as they have been self isolating for 20 years.


It's not that we aren't taking it seriously, we are. It's just that containment is virtually impossible at this stage when you consider how many people are infected and how much global transport we have. One infected person on an international flight can bring the virus into a new country. And then you've got to find everyone they had contact with, and everyone that those people had contact with. If the original infected person had contact with just 10 people and those people also had contact with 10 others, that's already over a hundred people you need to find and test. Now consider that there might be 10 infected people on that flight, or that the 100 newly infected people I talked about also each have contact with 10 other people. It quickly becomes impossible to properly contain it. China had sealed their borders the moment they knew about the outbreak in Wuhan then it's possible it wouldn't have spread beyond China. At this stage there's not much we can do, just be glad it doesn't seem to be much worse than the regular flu.

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02 Mar 2020 07:59 #110 by carwash
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carwash wrote: No it seems clear the death rate is around 1-2% but if 5 million Brits become infected it could mean 100,000 extra deaths. Blood groups and genetically-derived resistance might help to explain how some people display no symptoms while others get it bad.


Any link to this?

I'm blood group 'O' by the way.


It is too early for this to be anything other than supposition. I have no idea which blood group or which racial type is more or less susceptible. However here is a link to a paper.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4475644/

As regards the guy in Harlow who caught it you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to notice Stansted Airport is 15 minutes drive away with lots of Ryanair flights from Northern Italy. He might just have been standing in a queue somewhere and been coughed on by the guy behind. Men seem to be the majority spreaders of the virus which is why football matches are considered as something to halt in the event of a national emergency.

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02 Mar 2020 10:54 #111 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Kessler wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: I agree that the virus has spread to a lot of countries directly from Italy as they are not taking it seriously including the continents of Africa and South America.

Also agree that it will be rampant in the UK soon as we too are not taking it seriously enough. There is one case in the south where he has not been to an affected area. Try backtracking contacts and then their contacts - impossible. NHS is not equipped to cope. Millennials might be ok as they have been self isolating for 20 years.


It's not that we aren't taking it seriously, we are. It's just that containment is virtually impossible at this stage when you consider how many people are infected and how much global transport we have. One infected person on an international flight can bring the virus into a new country. And then you've got to find everyone they had contact with, and everyone that those people had contact with. If the original infected person had contact with just 10 people and those people also had contact with 10 others, that's already over a hundred people you need to find and test. Now consider that there might be 10 infected people on that flight, or that the 100 newly infected people I talked about also each have contact with 10 other people. It quickly becomes impossible to properly contain it. China had sealed their borders the moment they knew about the outbreak in Wuhan then it's possible it wouldn't have spread beyond China. At this stage there's not much we can do, just be glad it doesn't seem to be much worse than the regular flu.


In my opinion, where they're falling down is they should instruct the entire population to do that 3 temp check thing and then give everybody an easy way to report it if they fail at least that way on a certain day they can rule out 99% of the population making getting in touch with the other 1% a much easier task and they can then be told to self isolate [ even tho i.m not convinced about that how do you self isolate if you live in a familiy home ? ] At least what we.ve done up to now seems to have worked.

I think we.ll end up with a lot of people with the symptoms but very few will go on to become seriously ill but I think they need to start clearing a few hospital wards and finding some alternative locations to requisition, Holiday Centres perhaps ?

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02 Mar 2020 11:04 #112 by Kessler
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

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Urban Designer wrote: I agree that the virus has spread to a lot of countries directly from Italy as they are not taking it seriously including the continents of Africa and South America.

Also agree that it will be rampant in the UK soon as we too are not taking it seriously enough. There is one case in the south where he has not been to an affected area. Try backtracking contacts and then their contacts - impossible. NHS is not equipped to cope. Millennials might be ok as they have been self isolating for 20 years.


It's not that we aren't taking it seriously, we are. It's just that containment is virtually impossible at this stage when you consider how many people are infected and how much global transport we have. One infected person on an international flight can bring the virus into a new country. And then you've got to find everyone they had contact with, and everyone that those people had contact with. If the original infected person had contact with just 10 people and those people also had contact with 10 others, that's already over a hundred people you need to find and test. Now consider that there might be 10 infected people on that flight, or that the 100 newly infected people I talked about also each have contact with 10 other people. It quickly becomes impossible to properly contain it. China had sealed their borders the moment they knew about the outbreak in Wuhan then it's possible it wouldn't have spread beyond China. At this stage there's not much we can do, just be glad it doesn't seem to be much worse than the regular flu.


In my opinion, where they're falling down is they should instruct the entire population to do that 3 temp check thing and then give everybody an easy way to report it if they fail at least that way on a certain day they can rule out 99% of the population making getting in touch with the other 1% a much easier task and they can then be told to self isolate [ even tho i.m not convinced about that how do you self isolate if you live in a familiy home ? ] At least what we.ve done up to now seems to have worked.

I think we.ll end up with a lot of people with the symptoms but very few will go on to become seriously ill but I think they need to start clearing a few hospital wards and finding some alternative locations to requisition, Holiday Centres perhaps ?


Interesting idea Barry but the thing to consider with that is what about the people who won't want to say they have the virus? I heard on the news there was already a case where a lad who was quarantined was wanting to leave and had to be prevented. A lot of people won't necessarily want to go into quarantine so might just claim their temperature was fine?

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02 Mar 2020 12:05 #113 by nobbyblue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Kessler wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: I agree that the virus has spread to a lot of countries directly from Italy as they are not taking it seriously including the continents of Africa and South America.

Also agree that it will be rampant in the UK soon as we too are not taking it seriously enough. There is one case in the south where he has not been to an affected area. Try backtracking contacts and then their contacts - impossible. NHS is not equipped to cope. Millennials might be ok as they have been self isolating for 20 years.


It's not that we aren't taking it seriously, we are. It's just that containment is virtually impossible at this stage when you consider how many people are infected and how much global transport we have. One infected person on an international flight can bring the virus into a new country. And then you've got to find everyone they had contact with, and everyone that those people had contact with. If the original infected person had contact with just 10 people and those people also had contact with 10 others, that's already over a hundred people you need to find and test. Now consider that there might be 10 infected people on that flight, or that the 100 newly infected people I talked about also each have contact with 10 other people. It quickly becomes impossible to properly contain it. China had sealed their borders the moment they knew about the outbreak in Wuhan then it's possible it wouldn't have spread beyond China. At this stage there's not much we can do, just be glad it doesn't seem to be much worse than the regular flu.


In my opinion, where they're falling down is they should instruct the entire population to do that 3 temp check thing and then give everybody an easy way to report it if they fail at least that way on a certain day they can rule out 99% of the population making getting in touch with the other 1% a much easier task and they can then be told to self isolate [ even tho i.m not convinced about that how do you self isolate if you live in a familiy home ? ] At least what we.ve done up to now seems to have worked.

I think we.ll end up with a lot of people with the symptoms but very few will go on to become seriously ill but I think they need to start clearing a few hospital wards and finding some alternative locations to requisition, Holiday Centres perhaps ?


No way I’m spending a fortnight at Butlins
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02 Mar 2020 13:26 #114 by carwash
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There are some interesting trends emerging. North Asian countries with cold winters have been much more badly affected than countries like India, Indonesia and Thailand. The virus has only travelled south from Northern Italy by people travelling long distances. Very few kids have been infected. The conclusion I would reach is that shutting schools would be to stop the teachers and parents affecting each other in contrast to say a measles outbreak. The virus seems to dislike hot dry weather so it may have done its worst in continental Europe by the summer. The supermarkets are running low on antibacterial handwash and some tinned food so best buy now before it becomes scarce.

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02 Mar 2020 13:34 #115 by howoldboy
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carwash wrote:

Bluedazblue wrote:

carwash wrote: No it seems clear the death rate is around 1-2% but if 5 million Brits become infected it could mean 100,000 extra deaths. Blood groups and genetically-derived resistance might help to explain how some people display no symptoms while others get it bad.


Any link to this?

I'm blood group 'O' by the way.


It is too early for this to be anything other than supposition. I have no idea which blood group or which racial type is more or less susceptible. However here is a link to a paper.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4475644/

As regards the guy in Harlow who caught it you don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to notice Stansted Airport is 15 minutes drive away with lots of Ryanair flights from Northern Italy. He might just have been standing in a queue somewhere and been coughed on by the guy behind. Men seem to be the majority spreaders of the virus which is why football matches are considered as something to halt in the event of a national emergency.


Your logic for connecting the gentleman from Harlow with a man coughing in a queue somewhere and direct flights from Northern Italy into Stansted may be a little simplistic. Using that logic could it not be equally as likely that he caught it from someone who had flown in to Heathrow from China? Remember the scoutmaster in Brighton. He flew into London Gatwick from Geneva (via Easyjet) after initially visiting Singapore. He had not been to Italy.

I am also intrigued to learn that men are the majority spreaders of the virus. I was aware that men are more susceptible to dying from the virus but have not read anywhere that men are the main carriers. Can you provide a link to something that says this?

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02 Mar 2020 17:30 #116 by carwash
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Howoldboy do you know Harlow? I'd say very few people who live there would work in Heathrow or would tend to use it for travel. On the other hand the Princess Alexandra hospital in Harlow is the nearest full scale A&E to Stansted Airport and would be the choice for people from the Bishops Stortford area where most airport workers live. I would bet any money with the known facts on this being linked to Northern Italy in some way. The Chinese have done a good job in containing the virus to Hubei province. Italy is now our main concern as illustrated by the picture of Boris on the front of the Times looking at a map of Italy with the dangers spots in the North marked out.

As regards men being more likely to transmit the virus, men travel more for business than women do. As the virus seems to be spread by cough droplets, one of the key factors for transmission is height. Men are generally taller and therefore are more likely for their infected droplets to infect other people. Women are more likely to cough onto other people's clothing which is much less likely to cause infection. Men may have a greater susceptibility to the virus which the numbers would suggest but it is early days in analysing the data.

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02 Mar 2020 17:56 #117 by howoldboy
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Thank you for enlightening me.

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02 Mar 2020 18:46 #118 by nobbyblue
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Swiss league suspended for three weeks.

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02 Mar 2020 19:44 #119 by Mullen103
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Just need to wear a pair of Collins gloves - he hasn’t caught anything lately.

At least we’re not Stockport
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03 Mar 2020 04:20 #120 by Markovitch
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If it can be transmitted through sex most of us are safe

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03 Mar 2020 07:18 #121 by nobbyblue
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Can you catch it from sheep. Just asking for a mate.
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03 Mar 2020 07:49 #122 by ParcelPete
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Yew can.

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03 Mar 2020 07:56 #123 by BlueAl
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I can see this is all going to end really baaaaaadly.

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03 Mar 2020 08:46 #124 by sirjimmyglass
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Johnson has announced that they're going to immediately recruit 100,000 new doctors / nurses to deal with the potential spread of the virus.

They're all currently employed as doctors and nurses for the NHS, but they're definitely new.

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03 Mar 2020 10:42 #125 by nobbyblue
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France still coming to Scotland for the rugby. I'd have that called off.

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03 Mar 2020 11:14 #127 by Gannadan
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A study published this week on Chinaxiv.org, a platform used by the Chinese Academy of Sciences to release scientific research papers before they have been peer-reviewed.
www.chinaxiv.org/abs/2

Though it has not been peer reviewed, two other studies including one in Europe have confirmed the findings. The combined findings from the three studies indicates that because of the HIV-like mutations, its ability to bind with human cells could be as much as 1,000 times more potent that the initial SARS virus of 2003.

The fact that reinfections are emerging and that we still do not know what latent viral loads in the body can do to us in the short term, midterm or long term as we have only been exposed to the new virus in the last 9 weeks or so makes it even more frightening. One virologist from UK who says he wanted to remain anonymous as he might be accused of causing panic or misinformation warned that the new coronavirus can be described in basic terms as a “slow airborne killer that will never let its victim off, even if it loses the battle the first time”, implying that even in those so called recovered might face reinfections or that the existing viral loads in the body will eventually cause some other new chronic disease.

Credit to Thailand Medical News.
www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-l...0-times-more-potent-

In a recent simulation by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a coronavirus killed 65 million people.
Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modelled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms.

Source article:
www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

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03 Mar 2020 11:33 #128 by nobbyblue
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The amount of cases coming from Italy is amazing.

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03 Mar 2020 13:17 #129 by nobbyblue
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UK cases up to 52 now

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03 Mar 2020 13:53 #130 by Flatcap
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ParcelPete wrote: Yew can.


Never knew you could have sex with a tree. :-)

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03 Mar 2020 14:09 #131 by howoldboy
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I'll have to introduce you to Hazel and Holly.
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03 Mar 2020 18:32 #134 by munchymagic
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Gannadan wrote: A study published this week on Chinaxiv.org, a platform used by the Chinese Academy of Sciences to release scientific research papers before they have been peer-reviewed.
www.chinaxiv.org/abs/2

Though it has not been peer reviewed, two other studies including one in Europe have confirmed the findings. The combined findings from the three studies indicates that because of the HIV-like mutations, its ability to bind with human cells could be as much as 1,000 times more potent that the initial SARS virus of 2003.

The fact that reinfections are emerging and that we still do not know what latent viral loads in the body can do to us in the short term, midterm or long term as we have only been exposed to the new virus in the last 9 weeks or so makes it even more frightening. One virologist from UK who says he wanted to remain anonymous as he might be accused of causing panic or misinformation warned that the new coronavirus can be described in basic terms as a “slow airborne killer that will never let its victim off, even if it loses the battle the first time”, implying that even in those so called recovered might face reinfections or that the existing viral loads in the body will eventually cause some other new chronic disease.

Credit to Thailand Medical News.
www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-l...0-times-more-potent-

In a recent simulation by The Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security in partnership with the World Economic Forum and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, a coronavirus killed 65 million people.
Event 201 simulates an outbreak of a novel zoonotic coronavirus transmitted from bats to pigs to people that eventually becomes efficiently transmissible from person to person, leading to a severe pandemic. The pathogen and the disease it causes are modelled largely on SARS, but it is more transmissible in the community setting by people with mild symptoms.

Source article:
www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html


Hello pal welcome back :)

Or now that the virus has hit Carlisle it could be goodbye....
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03 Mar 2020 19:25 #135 by Alan
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It's a virus not The Black Death btw.
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03 Mar 2020 19:38 #136 by nobbyblue
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Alan wrote: It's a virus not The Black Death btw.


If it kills you it is very similar.
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03 Mar 2020 19:50 #137 by Alan
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nobbyblue wrote:

Alan wrote: It's a virus not The Black Death btw.


If it kills you it is very similar.


Log off and go for a walk mate to clear your head of gossip overload and when you get back read this it's all you need to know for now.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/
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03 Mar 2020 19:56 #138 by Urban Designer
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Nothing in the news about a Carlisle case but results are normally updated 2pm.

466 new cases and 27 new deaths in Italy, for a total of 2,502 cases and 79 deaths to date.
Among the 2,263 active cases, 1,034 (46%) are hospitalized, 229 of which (representing 10% of active cases) are in intensive care.
Among the 239 closed cases, 160 (67%) have recovered, 79 (33%) have died.

We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.

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03 Mar 2020 20:03 #139 by Bruntonpasty
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will the match be on on satda?

They don't like it up 'em!

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03 Mar 2020 20:12 #140 by nobbyblue
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Alan wrote:

nobbyblue wrote:

Alan wrote: It's a virus not The Black Death btw.


If it kills you it is very similar.


Log off and go for a walk mate to clear your head of gossip overload and when you get back read this it's all you need to know for now.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/


Cheers Alan it’s a good job you’re on here. We’d be [censored] without you.

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03 Mar 2020 20:24 #141 by Alan
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nobbyblue wrote:

Alan wrote:

nobbyblue wrote:

Alan wrote: It's a virus not The Black Death btw.


If it kills you it is very similar.


Log off and go for a walk mate to clear your head of gossip overload and when you get back read this it's all you need to know for now.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/


Cheers Alan it’s a good job you’re on here. We’d be [censored] without you.


No problem pal just thinking about folk who are genuinely worried about this getting themselves into a state due to reading idle tittle tattle on here.

Enjoy your walk.

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03 Mar 2020 20:35 #142 by orfc
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All the paracetamol has been panic bought out of our local Aldi. We've retaliated by buying 24 bog rolls.
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03 Mar 2020 22:39 #143 by seesaw50
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yoonited wrote: First case confirmed in Carlisle.......

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/18278218.firs...virus-case-carlisle/


Border crack on now...says no cases confirmed in Cumbria

Fake News N&S

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03 Mar 2020 22:41 #144 by seesaw50
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Or can we trust Border Crack to be up to date

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03 Mar 2020 22:41 #145 by topstepwhinger
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Would have had a full half hour special on if the cases were in Galashiels!
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Heard his press conference today. If there’s one thing Boris knows something about it’s washing his hands. Over the years he’s washed his hands of almost everything: family, children, friends, colleagues, morals, scruples. Pontius Boris.
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03 Mar 2020 23:28 #147 by Urban Designer
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N&S 3 sources are her mam, dad and boyo! Joke rag

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04 Mar 2020 07:24 #148 by nobbyblue
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It seems to be true. She works in the Infirmary.

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04 Mar 2020 07:44 #149 by Gannadan
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Cheers Munchy hahaha let's hope not, still visit daily read only as I find some on here more irritating than the corona symptoms. To be honest I'd rather catch it and get it over with, trying to avoid something with a contagious incubation period of 14 days is futile at best, unless you don't visit supermarkets, isolate yourself and wall up your front door for the next three months.

Boris quoting 1% when the global figure is running at over 3% is misleading and a disingenuous attempt to ease panic. I prefer to face facts and accept most of us are going to get it, what troubles me is what that will mean long term. Unlike flue this thing doesn't leave the body when the symptoms do, but lays dormant within. Corona virus is potentially very dangerous, those comparing it to flue are just managing their fear with denial and are less likely to heed preventative measures as a result.

"That is the greatest feat in the history of the game."
Bill Shankly.
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04 Mar 2020 08:57 #150 by tommycoleman1
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Gannadan, theres no smoke without fire

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