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04 Mar 2020 09:02 #151 by Flatcap
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I have a few questions, some frivolous.
What is the difference in symptoms between the coronavirus and the flu or common cold?
Are masks effective? Can the virus permeate through them? After all you have to breath.
Can you catch the disease without ever showing any symptoms and still be a spreader?
Can you catch the virus more than once or do you become immune?
Can you have the virus, recover from it, only for it to flare up again at a later date?
Do you always get a 'temperature' when you have it?
Are you more likely to catch it if you have high blood pressure?
Does alcohol help in preventing you catching the virus?

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04 Mar 2020 09:15 #152 by seesaw50
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...I get my info from the telly...most of your questions have been covered many times.

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04 Mar 2020 09:28 #153 by orfc
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Most hand sanitisers are 60% alcohol so alcohol does help but not by necking it. I suppose if the supermarket run out of hand gel you could make your own with cheap rum or vodka (has to be stronger than average though) :-)

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04 Mar 2020 09:58 #154 by nobbyblue
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Flatcap wrote: I have a few questions, some frivolous.
What is the difference in symptoms between the coronavirus and the flu or common cold?
Are masks effective? Can the virus permeate through them? After all you have to breath.
Can you catch the disease without ever showing any symptoms and still be a spreader?
Can you catch the virus more than once or do you become immune?
Can you have the virus, recover from it, only for it to flare up again at a later date?
Do you always get a 'temperature' when you have it?
Are you more likely to catch it if you have high blood pressure?
Does alcohol help in preventing you catching the virus?


You can't get it twice apparently.

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04 Mar 2020 10:06 #155 by Gannadan
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What is the difference in symptoms between the coronavirus and the flu or common cold?
They are the same but you can be symptom free with corona.

Are masks effective? Can the virus permeate through them? After all you have to breath.

Masks are effective to a degree at stopping you from sneezing or coughing the virus on those around you, but if you touch the mask and then someone else you can spread it. Less so for protection as your breathing will moisten the mask meaning the virus can penetrate the external membrane meaning contact with your mouth and the mask. The virus can also be contracted through the eyes.

Can you catch the disease without ever showing any symptoms and still be a spreader?
Yes

Can you catch the virus more than once or do you become immune?
Yes and no you do not become immune from reinfection with any degree of certainty

Can you have the virus, recover from it, only for it to flare up again at a later date?
Yes

Do you always get a 'temperature' when you have it?
No

Are you more likely to catch it if you have high blood pressure?
Yes

Does alcohol help in preventing you catching the virus?
Only when used for sanitation purposes not consumption.

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04 Mar 2020 10:09 #156 by Bruntonpasty
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Those companies manufacturing and those selling hand sanitizer will be rubbing their hands!

They don't like it up 'em!
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04 Mar 2020 10:25 #157 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Urban Designer wrote: Nothing in the news about a Carlisle case but results are normally updated 2pm.

466 new cases and 27 new deaths in Italy, for a total of 2,502 cases and 79 deaths to date.
Among the 2,263 active cases, 1,034 (46%) are hospitalized, 229 of which (representing 10% of active cases) are in intensive care.
Among the 239 closed cases, 160 (67%) have recovered, 79 (33%) have died.

We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.


Are well hell as like

Or can you show me an area of this country where we did nothing for two weeks allowing it to be passed unhindered as happened in Northern Italy ?

There isn't really even so much as a real cluster in this country. There is yet to be anyone proven to be a fourth-generation infection and to the best of my knowledge, we are yet to see anyone being isolated against their will.

And the establishment of these hubs that are starting to appear at most large hospitals shows that the authorities aren't sitting on their arses doing anything in fact what I heard about what went on yesterday in Bury after the 3rd case there was confirmed it shows to me that so long as it doesn't get massively out of control the measures in place at the minute and those planned in case they need to step up are about as much as they could be expected to do.

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04 Mar 2020 12:18 #158 by chickensunited
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: Nothing in the news about a Carlisle case but results are normally updated 2pm.

466 new cases and 27 new deaths in Italy, for a total of 2,502 cases and 79 deaths to date.
Among the 2,263 active cases, 1,034 (46%) are hospitalized, 229 of which (representing 10% of active cases) are in intensive care.
Among the 239 closed cases, 160 (67%) have recovered, 79 (33%) have died.

We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.


Are well hell as like

Or can you show me an area of this country where we did nothing for two weeks allowing it to be passed unhindered as happened in Northern Italy ?

There isn't really even so much as a real cluster in this country. There is yet to be anyone proven to be a fourth-generation infection and to the best of my knowledge, we are yet to see anyone being isolated against their will.

And the establishment of these hubs that are starting to appear at most large hospitals shows that the authorities aren't sitting on their arses doing anything in fact what I heard about what went on yesterday in Bury after the 3rd case there was confirmed it shows to me that so long as it doesn't get massively out of control the measures in place at the minute and those planned in case they need to step up are about as much as they could be expected to do.


I live in Hungary - I fear this is exactly what is going on here: No cases officially here, yet people I know have had symptoms and not been offered a test. 2 students who were in Budapest last weekend were tested positive on their return to Prague.

Pretty worrying, but for once, when watching the news about the response in the UK I feel like it sounds like they have things running alright in a pre-emptive sense given how relatively low the levels in the population currently are.

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04 Mar 2020 12:37 #159 by yoonited
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Italian death toll now 79.

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04 Mar 2020 13:10 #160 by Urban Designer
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Just confirmed on BBC News that one of the new cases is in Carlisle.

They work at the hospital but haven't been back to work.

They have recently been to Italy - seems everyone that has been to Italy has returned with it.

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04 Mar 2020 17:41 #161 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Gannadan wrote: Cheers Munchy hahaha let's hope not, still visit daily read only as I find some on here more irritating than the corona symptoms. To be honest I'd rather catch it and get it over with, trying to avoid something with a contagious incubation period of 14 days is futile at best, unless you don't visit supermarkets, isolate yourself and wall up your front door for the next three months.

Boris quoting 1% when the global figure is running at over 3% is misleading and a disingenuous attempt to ease panic. I prefer to face facts and accept most of us are going to get it, what troubles me is what that will mean long term. Unlike flue this thing doesn't leave the body when the symptoms do, but lays dormant within. Corona virus is potentially very dangerous, those comparing it to flue are just managing their fear with denial and are less likely to heed preventative measures as a result.


It was Proffessor Chris Whitty, UK Chief Medical Officer who said this, this morning on GMTV, I heard him.

Came accross as very pragmatic and methodical.

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04 Mar 2020 18:20 #162 by Flatcap
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chickensunited wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: Nothing in the news about a Carlisle case but results are normally updated 2pm.

466 new cases and 27 new deaths in Italy, for a total of 2,502 cases and 79 deaths to date.
Among the 2,263 active cases, 1,034 (46%) are hospitalized, 229 of which (representing 10% of active cases) are in intensive care.
Among the 239 closed cases, 160 (67%) have recovered, 79 (33%) have died.

We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.


Are well hell as like

Or can you show me an area of this country where we did nothing for two weeks allowing it to be passed unhindered as happened in Northern Italy ?

There isn't really even so much as a real cluster in this country. There is yet to be anyone proven to be a fourth-generation infection and to the best of my knowledge, we are yet to see anyone being isolated against their will.

And the establishment of these hubs that are starting to appear at most large hospitals shows that the authorities aren't sitting on their arses doing anything in fact what I heard about what went on yesterday in Bury after the 3rd case there was confirmed it shows to me that so long as it doesn't get massively out of control the measures in place at the minute and those planned in case they need to step up are about as much as they could be expected to do.


I live in Hungary - I fear this is exactly what is going on here: No cases officially here, yet people I know have had symptoms and not been offered a test. 2 students who were in Budapest last weekend were tested positive on their return to Prague.

Pretty worrying, but for once, when watching the news about the response in the UK I feel like it sounds like they have things running alright in a pre-emptive sense given how relatively low the levels in the population currently are.


Another country that you might think is ignoring the risk is North Korea, which is sandwiched between China and South Korea where the virus is widespread.

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04 Mar 2020 18:26 #163 by Alan
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"Can you catch the virus more than once or do you become immune?
Yes and no you do not become immune from reinfection with any degree of certainty"


Bollocks.

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04 Mar 2020 18:47 #164 by nobbyblue
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Dr Hilary an ‘expert’? :-D
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04 Mar 2020 18:52 #165 by Zombie_Dave
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Wasn't Carlisle somewhere that used to be used for market research due to the population spread and differing socio-economic backgrounds of the area?

If it's a choice between the virus and "Sunny D" I'd take my chance with the virus.

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04 Mar 2020 19:07 #166 by Alan
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nobbyblue wrote: Dr Hilary an ‘expert’? :-D


Got his info of a Langtoon Lada driver so must me right.
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04 Mar 2020 19:11 #167 by yoonited
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Italian death toll now 107 and Iranian death toll almost 100.
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04 Mar 2020 19:23 #168 by munchymagic
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I bet the German public are more than happy that they have let this massive influx of people into their country now and they are still heading there in their droves spreading the virus faster and even harder to control.

At least we can go on lockdown easier as an island if it does get too nasty, probably be too late by then mind - you will still get those daft [censored] in a blow up boat trying to get in regardless.
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04 Mar 2020 19:25 #169 by Bruntonpasty
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Bruntonpasty wrote: Those companies manufacturing and those selling hand sanitizer will be rubbing their hands!



Ahh I'm a contented man! Parcelpete likes one of my jokes!! My life is complete....

They don't like it up 'em!

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05 Mar 2020 01:43 #170 by Urban Designer
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Is it true that there is a portal where you can get tested at the Cumberland Infirmary?

If so it goes against WHO and government policy.

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05 Mar 2020 06:12 #171 by Gannadan
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Alan wrote: "Can you catch the virus more than once or do you become immune?
Yes and no you do not become immune from reinfection with any degree of certainty"


Bollocks.



The operative words in your MSM link to the scientific programme Good Morning Britain are "unlikely" and "almost certainly", well "almost" never won a race did it Alan. I'm open to reassessment, just post a link to a peer reviewed scientific paper stating as much and I will stand corrected, until such time I will continue to rely on my own diligence and research. I will avoid being spoon-fed information from a concerned government having to balance real facts against public panic. The use of the word bollocks to convey your response speaks volumes about your attitude towards our current dilemma. :)

A report by the health authority in China’s Guangdong province, the country’s most populated province with 113 million people, said that 14% of the patients that had recovered from the coronavirus showed new signs of it in later check-ups. In other words, over 1 in 10 people that got rid of the virus got infected again.

Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing said: “However, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long. For many patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of relapse. Patients who recovered from coronavirus need to keep proper hygiene to avoid getting it twice.”

www.zmescience.com/science/a-startling-n...ents-get-reinfected/

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Returning to my self-imposed exile now, don't rely on what I have said, do your own research, be vigilant and good luck. Ltrs Munchy, tek care m8 :)

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05 Mar 2020 07:05 #172 by Markovitch
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Guandong is twinned with newport. When are they due up?

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05 Mar 2020 16:12 #173 by munchymagic
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Gannadan wrote:

Alan wrote: "Can you catch the virus more than once or do you become immune?
Yes and no you do not become immune from reinfection with any degree of certainty"


Bollocks.



The operative words in your MSM link to the scientific programme Good Morning Britain are "unlikely" and "almost certainly", well "almost" never won a race did it Alan. I'm open to reassessment, just post a link to a peer reviewed scientific paper stating as much and I will stand corrected, until such time I will continue to rely on my own diligence and research. I will avoid being spoon-fed information from a concerned government having to balance real facts against public panic. The use of the word bollocks to convey your response speaks volumes about your attitude towards our current dilemma. :)

A report by the health authority in China’s Guangdong province, the country’s most populated province with 113 million people, said that 14% of the patients that had recovered from the coronavirus showed new signs of it in later check-ups. In other words, over 1 in 10 people that got rid of the virus got infected again.

Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing said: “However, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long. For many patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of relapse. Patients who recovered from coronavirus need to keep proper hygiene to avoid getting it twice.”

www.zmescience.com/science/a-startling-n...ents-get-reinfected/

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Returning to my self-imposed exile now, don't rely on what I have said, do your own research, be vigilant and good luck. Ltrs Munchy, tek care m8 :)


You too pal - stay in touch :)
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05 Mar 2020 17:41 #174 by Urban Designer
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28 new cases of which 25 are in London - it will spread rapidly.

Uk now in phase 2 (delay) due to evidence of community transmission.

Impossible to control now its lose in London.

We are also infecting other countries - 1 new case in Lebanon: a Lebanese woman coming from Britain.

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05 Mar 2020 18:00 #175 by heilkmoon
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Urban Designer wrote: 28 new cases of which 25 are in London - it will spread rapidly.

Uk now in phase 2 (delay) due to evidence of community transmission.

Impossible to control now its lose in London.

We are also infecting other countries - 1 new case in Lebanon: a Lebanese woman coming from Britain.


Hope you’ve got plenty of toilet paper stockpiled.

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05 Mar 2020 18:54 - 05 Mar 2020 20:10 #176 by Armo
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.


Are well hell as like

Or can you show me an area of this country where we did nothing for two weeks allowing it to be passed unhindered as happened in Northern Italy ?

There isn't really even so much as a real cluster in this country. There is yet to be anyone proven to be a fourth-generation infection and to the best of my knowledge, we are yet to see anyone being isolated against their will.


Yeah, I was told this today (from a source slightly more reliable than a pub landlord with a penchant for fetish clubs). We are mapping exactly like Italy three weeks ago.

We will be in pretty much the same situation as they are now around the end of the month.
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05 Mar 2020 18:55 #177 by Armo
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What happened to edit? My post makes bugger all sense and i'd like to tidy it up.

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05 Mar 2020 19:07 #178 by Alan
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Armo wrote: What happened to edit? My post makes bugger all sense and i'd like to tidy it up.

Ask Kessler.
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05 Mar 2020 19:41 #179 by howoldboy
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Armo wrote: What happened to edit? My post makes bugger all sense and i'd like to tidy it up.


Even without the edit it makes total sense Armo.

The UK is sleepwalking into this and due to the density of population (particularly in the South East) could well be hit harder.

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05 Mar 2020 20:11 #180 by CCU
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Armo wrote: What happened to edit? My post makes bugger all sense and i'd like to tidy it up.


Sorted...

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05 Mar 2020 20:27 #181 by yoonited
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CCU wrote:

Armo wrote: What happened to edit? My post makes bugger all sense and i'd like to tidy it up.


Sod off...

Disgusting!

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05 Mar 2020 20:38 #182 by yoonited
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yoonited wrote:

CCU wrote:

Armo wrote: What happened to edit? My post makes bugger all sense and i'd like to tidy it up.


Sod off...

Disgusting!

;)


Well that didn't work!

Well that didn't work.

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05 Mar 2020 20:48 #183 by Flatcap
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Well that didn't work.

Well that didn't work.

Well that didn't work.

Well that didn't work.

Well that didn't work.

Well that didn't work.

Where's the edit button?

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05 Mar 2020 20:58 #184 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Armo wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.


Are well hell as like

Or can you show me an area of this country where we did nothing for two weeks allowing it to be passed unhindered as happened in Northern Italy ?

There isn't really even so much as a real cluster in this country. There is yet to be anyone proven to be a fourth-generation infection and to the best of my knowledge, we are yet to see anyone being isolated against their will.


Yeah, I was told this today (from a source slightly more reliable than a pub landlord with a penchant for fetish clubs). We are mapping exactly like Italy three weeks ago.

We will be in pretty much the same situation as they are now around the end of the month.


No idea how you work that out as it's been made very clear that this country's contingency plans do not include isolating communities as the thinking is the Italians 2 weeks in denial then isolating the communities might have helped to stop it spreading around their country as much as it might have done but they have effectively condemned a large number of people to contracting it in the locked-down areas completely skewing the figures and self-creating the hot spot they have.

So the decision you have to make is, is it better to have a 100k people in a locked-down area who will probably all get it to some extent. Or do you go the way we are doing it by asking anyone across the country who for whatever reason thinks they might be infected to get tested and although the number of confirmed cases jumps each day you could say that that's down to more people getting tested each day.

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05 Mar 2020 21:08 #185 by seesaw50
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And this advice, if you've been overseas and return with symptoms to self isolate and call 111 needs extended to.... if you've NO symptoms and been out the country...self isolate for 14 days. No messing.

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05 Mar 2020 21:10 #186 by seesaw50
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In other words everybody self isolates IF you've been abroad

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05 Mar 2020 21:41 #187 by nobbyblue
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A lot of people can’t afford to do that.

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05 Mar 2020 21:42 #188 by nobbyblue
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I know I couldnt I’ve got stuff to do.

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05 Mar 2020 21:54 #189 by howoldboy
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Armo wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.


Are well hell as like

Or can you show me an area of this country where we did nothing for two weeks allowing it to be passed unhindered as happened in Northern Italy ?

There isn't really even so much as a real cluster in this country. There is yet to be anyone proven to be a fourth-generation infection and to the best of my knowledge, we are yet to see anyone being isolated against their will.


Yeah, I was told this today (from a source slightly more reliable than a pub landlord with a penchant for fetish clubs). We are mapping exactly like Italy three weeks ago.

We will be in pretty much the same situation as they are now around the end of the month.


No idea how you work that out as it's been made very clear that this country's contingency plans do not include isolating communities as the thinking is the Italians 2 weeks in denial then isolating the communities might have helped to stop it spreading around their country as much as it might have done but they have effectively condemned a large number of people to contracting it in the locked-down areas completely skewing the figures and self-creating the hot spot they have.

So the decision you have to make is, is it better to have a 100k people in a locked-down area who will probably all get it to some extent. Or do you go the way we are doing it by asking anyone across the country who for whatever reason thinks they might be infected to get tested and although the number of confirmed cases jumps each day you could say that that's down to more people getting tested each day.


Good question NS.

Is it better to have a 100k people in a locked-down area or allow it to spread to 66 million people across the UK and rely on them to report the problem when they think they might be infected.

At least the Italians tried (and are still trying) to stop it spreading.
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nobbyblue wrote: I know I couldnt I’ve got stuff to do.


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05 Mar 2020 22:27 #191 by Zebby
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Alan wrote:

Armo wrote: What happened to edit? My post makes bugger all sense and i'd like to tidy it up.

Ask Kessler.


Dear god please don't...

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06 Mar 2020 00:42 #192 by munchymagic
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Armo wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: We are just 2/3 weeks behind Italy and they way things are going most of us will get it and some of us will die.


Are well hell as like

Or can you show me an area of this country where we did nothing for two weeks allowing it to be passed unhindered as happened in Northern Italy ?

There isn't really even so much as a real cluster in this country. There is yet to be anyone proven to be a fourth-generation infection and to the best of my knowledge, we are yet to see anyone being isolated against their will.


Yeah, I was told this today (from a source slightly more reliable than a pub landlord with a penchant for fetish clubs). We are mapping exactly like Italy three weeks ago.

We will be in pretty much the same situation as they are now around the end of the month.


I was on about this to the missus earlier about Italy, with the Italians when you think of it and a lot of other European nations, when they greet each they do it with a kiss to each cheek* so their normal traditional greeting will have the disease spreading like wildfire.

*(and no not arse cheeks either but each to their own)
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06 Mar 2020 00:49 #193 by munchymagic
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My mates boss was telling him today that the only reason that on the orders delivered for this week they didn't receive any Corona beer was simply because nobody is buying it!

Seriously, every other beer is unaffected and is selling as normal but nobody is touching the existing stock.
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06 Mar 2020 02:24 #194 by munchymagic
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The first person in the UK to die of Coronavirus dies in the Berkshire area - RIP.

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/first-uk-p...Np65?ocid=spartanntp
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06 Mar 2020 07:01 #195 by Alan
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Yet today in the UK Approximately 450 people will die of cancer and a similar amount from heart disease.

Makes you think doesn't it.

Just. a bit of perspective amoungst the mass hysteria (media created)

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06 Mar 2020 07:14 #196 by nobbyblue
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I’m sure the relatives of the deceased will be comforted by them stats.

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06 Mar 2020 08:33 #197 by Markovitch
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There are a few people I hope will be self-isolating

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06 Mar 2020 08:41 #198 by nobbyblue
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Alan wrote: Yet today in the UK Approximately 450 people will die of cancer and a similar amount from heart disease.

Makes you think doesn't it.

Just. a bit of perspective amoungst the mass hysteria (media created)


The headline in the Mail Online was a good one the other day.

'500,000 COULD DIE'

-D

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06 Mar 2020 09:29 #199 by heilkmoon
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There's a few regular posters on here who I can't imagine ever testing positive for anything.

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06 Mar 2020 09:46 #200 by Lufbrablue
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Will the club have soap in the bogs on saturday

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