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08 Mar 2020 23:26 #301 by Mullen103
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Laffy wrote: Oil price has collapsed tonight-this could be the biggest rout in the markets for some time.All down to this virus


I shorted it on advice that an agreement wasn’t made to cut production, I presume there’s too much.

Why has coronavirus caused this to drop so much this weekend, not that I’m complaining. I was advised to invest in gold because or coronavirus I would of thought oil would of gone up as well.

At least we’re not Stockport

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09 Mar 2020 01:18 #302 by howoldboy
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Mullen103 wrote:

Laffy wrote: Oil price has collapsed tonight-this could be the biggest rout in the markets for some time.All down to this virus


I shorted it on advice that an agreement wasn’t made to cut production, I presume there’s too much.

Why has coronavirus caused this to drop so much this weekend, not that I’m complaining. I was advised to invest in gold because or coronavirus I would of thought oil would of gone up as well.


My understanding is that the drop this weekend is not because of the virus. It is more to do with Russia and Saudi Arabia.

www.cnbc.com/2020/03/08/putin-sparks-an-...tivity.PostToTwitter

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09 Mar 2020 06:02 #303 by CCU
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This is a good read for any conspiracy theorists!

ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/ch...-coronavirus-crisis/

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09 Mar 2020 06:36 #304 by Markovitch
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American shale and oil gas is very cheap. Russia has increased production to force down prices to bankrupt us shale operators. They’ve done this because the us is blocking the severniy potok pipeline from russia into europe

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09 Mar 2020 08:47 #305 by orfc
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Markovitch wrote: American shale and oil gas is very cheap. Russia has increased production to force down prices to bankrupt us shale operators. They’ve done this because the us is blocking the severniy potok pipeline from russia into europe


So how come every news outlet is saying it's Saudi Arabia pushing the price down to teach Putin a lesson?

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09 Mar 2020 09:41 #306 by Dancingbear
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orfc wrote:

Markovitch wrote: American shale and oil gas is very cheap. Russia has increased production to force down prices to bankrupt us shale operators. They’ve done this because the us is blocking the severniy potok pipeline from russia into europe


So how come every news outlet is saying it's Saudi Arabia pushing the price down to teach Putin a lesson?


From what I’ve read it’s both. Russia doing what Marko said and then the Saudis retaliating by producing even more surplus.

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09 Mar 2020 10:30 #307 by yoonited
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09 Mar 2020 11:12 #308 by Markovitch
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Putin and the Saudis usually work together to maintain oil prices. Saudi wanted the price kept higher by limiting production but Putin ignored them, so now the Saudis have increased production (lowered price) further so it hurts Putin. Also hurts them.

The rice fall won't do anything in the first few weeks because traders will use it to build stock. Once stock is at capacity then we'll see reductions in prices between sellers and users. That will depend on China

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09 Mar 2020 14:08 #309 by CCU
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09 Mar 2020 15:03 #310 by howoldboy
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Markovitch wrote: Putin and the Saudis usually work together to maintain oil prices. Saudi wanted the price kept higher by limiting production but Putin ignored them, so now the Saudis have increased production (lowered price) further so it hurts Putin. Also hurts them.

The rice fall won't do anything in the first few weeks because traders will use it to build stock. Once stock is at capacity then we'll see reductions in prices between sellers and users. That will depend on China


The price of rice could fall further Marko.

www.bworldonline.com/rice-prices-expected-to-fall-further/

Combination of cheaper petrol and rice could give Chinese takeaways a welcome boost after the coronavirus issues.
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09 Mar 2020 15:12 #311 by Urban Designer
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First decent interview I have seen on the BBC - Prof George Lomonssoff from an independent centre in Norwich:

The UK is a week behind France, Germany & Spain and 2 weeks behind Italy. Cases are doubling every 4 days. Measures are needed sooner rather than later. Italy waited too long and if we don't take measures in the next day or 2 it won't be effective as people will have already travelled.

Taking temperatures from incoming flights is not effective and neither is the time it takes from testing to getting the results. The media is not over reacting and is really quite moderate.

It is better to be aware than just say don't worry!

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09 Mar 2020 15:40 #312 by Dancingbear
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Not looking too good for our gold plated pension funds lads.

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09 Mar 2020 15:47 #313 by Urban Designer
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Is there a higher proportion of cases per head of population than Carlisle? Is it 3 cases? Maybe only a town in Devon?

This is the breakdown as of 9am yesterday:
www.gov.uk/government/publications/coron...-of-cases-in-england

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09 Mar 2020 16:57 #314 by Flatcap
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5 in Cumbria.
The Lake District attracts loads of foreigners.

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09 Mar 2020 17:18 #315 by carwash
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UD, there seems to be a much better understanding of this disease among the British public than what happened in Italy. We are taking basic health precautions and reducing social interaction. Cases doubling every 4 days is manageable for now. It will mean about 12,500 cases and a total of 150 deaths by the end of March as a reasonably bad case scenario.

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09 Mar 2020 18:30 - 10 Mar 2020 17:22 #316 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Urban Designer wrote: First decent interview I have seen on the BBC - Prof George Lomonssoff from an independent centre in Norwich:

The UK is a week behind France, Germany & Spain and 2 weeks behind Italy. Cases are doubling every 4 days. Measures are needed sooner rather than later. Italy waited too long and if we don't take measures in the next day or 2 it won't be effective as people will have already travelled.

Taking temperatures from incoming flights is not effective and neither is the time it takes from testing to getting the results. The media is not over reacting and is really quite moderate.

It is better to be aware than just say don't worry!


Testing people coming off planes is not infallible but it helps in a number of ways one of which is that it will deter people coming here from the affected areas if they know they risk either being detained and put on a plane back or put into two weeks isolation here just for showing a high-temperature reading and if people with a high reading are put on the list and asked to self isolate what harm can that do.

Don't know if you saw that Gobby Italian in Milan saying he's coming to London whether he's got it or not I hope they've got his number and doesn't even get to set foot on British soil.
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09 Mar 2020 18:32 - 10 Mar 2020 17:22 #317 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Flatcap wrote: 5 in Cumbria.
The Lake District attracts loads of foreigners.


And a very high proportion of them are Chinese
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09 Mar 2020 18:39 #318 by Alan
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Sounds like one of the next steps is going to be a 7 day self isolate with cold like symptoms in particular respiratory problems.
Getting back to Italy didn't realise it has the second highest population of people over 65 and the average age of people losing their lives was 85 :-o.

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09 Mar 2020 18:51 #319 by Zebby
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I'm actually quite looking forward to a fortnight on couch with Netflix and a few hankies ...
Better than going work....

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09 Mar 2020 19:09 #320 by NORTHERNSOUL
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carwash wrote: UD, there seems to be a much better understanding of this disease among the British public than what happened in Italy. We are taking basic health precautions and reducing social interaction. Cases doubling every 4 days is manageable for now. It will mean about 12,500 cases and a total of 150 deaths by the end of March as a reasonably bad case scenario.


And I .ll put money on that it doesn't reach anywhere near that and that the number of deaths outside of the people with other existing conditions will be minimal.

And if you want to know why you got the large contaminated area in Italy its because a considerable number of employees from a company in that area visited China in January for a trade fair it wasn't to Wuhan but to a city that was considered safe but two days after they left a major outbreak was announced there but by then they were back in Northern Italy having already started infecting their family, friends and workmates creating what was called a hot spot which the Italian government virtually ignored for two weeks leaving us where we are now having done just about everything wrong that they possibly could which they continue to do for [censored] sake if you're going to do it how they have done it properly stop all people entering or leaving no exceptions to stop all transport no exceptions then make the whole region self isolate with the govt funding everyone having two weeks on the sick and supplying everyone with paracetamol and hot lemon yes its that simple.

Which brings us to the UK and what were doing which is basically ensuring that any sort of cluster doesn't develop because so long as you ensure that doesn't happen it won't spread and develop in the way the bedwetters are predicting but because you don't get to see the work going on with this the BW.s assume nothings happening.

I know someone in Bury that's now halfway thru a 14-day self-isolation after he showed some symptoms I talk to him on Hangouts most days and he says that after two visits from the health people he knows who may have infected him and they know who he may have passed it on to so to say nothings been done is complete and utter crap.

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09 Mar 2020 19:20 #321 by ParcelPete
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Zebby wrote: I'm actually quite looking forward to a fortnight on couch with Netflix and a few hankies ...
Better than going work....


I hope you use different ones to blow your nose.
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09 Mar 2020 19:25 #322 by howoldboy
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ParcelPete wrote:

Zebby wrote: I'm actually quite looking forward to a fortnight on couch with Netflix and a few hankies ...
Better than going work....


I hope you use different ones to blow your nose.


Apparently it increases your resistance.

bigthink.com/sex-relationships/health-be...titem=5#rebelltitem5

Also increases profits at Specsavers.
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09 Mar 2020 19:38 #323 by Bumble
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I had booked to go to the Photography Show next Tuesday, was going down to the NEC on the train and then getting a lift through to the match at Northampton.

It's a massive show over three days with trade stands from all the major companies.

I've just had an email it's been cancelled (postponed indefintely). Makes you wonder if football will carry on until th end of the season.

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09 Mar 2020 20:01 #324 by seesaw50
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I dont think enough people are taking it seriously tho...especially a big proportion of the population who don't watch news bulletins

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09 Mar 2020 20:05 #325 by Zebby
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ParcelPete wrote:

Zebby wrote: I'm actually quite looking forward to a fortnight on couch with Netflix and a few hankies ...
Better than going work....


I hope you use different ones to blow your nose.


I wear long sleeves when I have a cold saves on tissues...

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09 Mar 2020 20:11 #326 by Prawncrackhead
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CCU wrote: This is a good read for any conspiracy theorists!

ufospotlight.wordpress.com/2020/02/13/ch...-coronavirus-crisis/


Should sell that to Hollywood, make a decent beer movie. The video at the end is [censored] awful however. Shows how lucky we are living in this country.
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09 Mar 2020 21:01 #327 by CCU
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Italy is shut...


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09 Mar 2020 22:18 #328 by nobbyblue
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10% of all cases in Italy end up in intensive care. They haven’t enough places so many people are dying. And they have a lot more intensive care places than the UK.

If we’re only two weeks behind them it doesn’t bode well.

Hardly the Black Death though!
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09 Mar 2020 23:06 #329 by Taffy-P
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If it follows the Italian pattern 10% of cases need an intensive care bed The NHS going to be under serious pressure 6 intensive care beds in Carlisle (that’s to cover the whole of North Cumbria)

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09 Mar 2020 23:24 #330 by Urban Designer
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Only 4,000 intensive care beds in UK - already pretty much full.

I don't agree the UK general public is better informed than Italians - italians are more hygienic for a start. 3 weeks ago they are like most people here thinking it was just a cold or other type of flu.

With disaster management the people who bury their head in the sand and choose to be ignorant or the ones who will panic when it starts affecting them. I don't think they will lock down here cos the thick people will start killing each other - the fat people full of shit are already fighting over toilet paper of all things!

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10 Mar 2020 00:14 #331 by howoldboy
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Taffy-P wrote: If it follows the Italian pattern 10% of cases need an intensive care bed The NHS going to be under serious pressure 6 intensive care beds in Carlisle (that’s to cover the whole of North Cumbria)


It is this type of pressure on the Health Service that has caused what has happened today in Italy.

The population of Italy is approximately 60 million.

So far just over 9,000 cases have been identified.

That equates to 0.015% or, in other words, for every 100,000 people in Italy 15 people have tested positive for the virus.

Of these circa 10% have needed intensive care. That is 1.5 people in every 100,000.

Theoretically a national health service like Italy's should be able to cope with this.

Unfortunately the concentration of cases in the North is making this difficult, if not impossible.

That is why people in the UK (with less intensive care beds than Italy) need to do all they can to stop the virus spreading.

Whatever your politics, no Government can do this without full support from the populace.

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10 Mar 2020 08:55 #332 by seesaw50
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Think Italians have a different lifestyle and the old folk often live with their sons and daughters...then theres all the kissing on both cheeks in greeting each other all the time, plus all the talking round the dinner table in close proximity to each other.

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10 Mar 2020 08:55 #333 by heilkmoon
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Urban Designer wrote: italians are more hygienic for a start.


What stat is that based on then? Italian culture is much more up close and touchy feely when in comes to personal interactions for one thing.

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10 Mar 2020 09:03 #334 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote: 10% of all cases in Italy end up in intensive care. They haven’t enough places so many people are dying. And they have a lot more intensive care places than the UK.

If we’re only two weeks behind them it doesn’t bode well.

Hardly the Black Death though!


How many bloody times

It cant follow the Italian pattern here we didn't have a cluster that was allowed to grow unhindered for two weeks with the number of cases quadrupling each day

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10 Mar 2020 09:23 #335 by nobbyblue
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Five people have died so far but how many have actually got the virus in the UK?

Probably thousands by now so the death rate is very very low. So few have been tested

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10 Mar 2020 09:25 #336 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Taffy-P wrote: If it follows the Italian pattern 10% of cases need an intensive care bed The NHS going to be under serious pressure 6 intensive care beds in Carlisle (that’s to cover the whole of North Cumbria)


Why don't people keep themselves more informed

There is a big difference between what we know as an intensive care bed and a bed required to be deemed intensive care in relation to the virus 95% of the difference needed for a bed to be deemed IC for that purpose is purely down to the staffing levels.

All hospitals have to have a plan in place where they have a ward which they can empty and then deem it to be the virus intensive care ward the bigger issue would be staffing it to the required levels. Not sure if it's still the case as quite a lot of work has gone on there since then but I know there were three physical wards at the Bpool Victoria that were no longer in normal use as such but were kept in a condition that they could be recommissioned for whatever use in 24 hours I know that because when I had an operation there one of them was being used as an admission ward [ a process I believe they dont use any longer ] and a member of staff there explained the whole situation to me.

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10 Mar 2020 09:34 #337 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote: Five people have died so far but how many have actually got the virus in the UK?

Probably thousands by now so the death rate is very very low. So few have been tested


There's no point in testing people who are showing no signs of having it or who haven't anything in their lives that indicates they might have it eg having just returned from Italy or China

So look at the 25k who have been tested because they thought they had it and how few it turns out actually did.

The only way the present system can go wrong is if people who think they are showing symptoms ignore it and don't self isolate and inform 111

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10 Mar 2020 09:47 #338 by carwash
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nobbyblue wrote: Five people have died so far but how many have actually got the virus in the UK?

Probably thousands by now so the death rate is very very low. So few have been tested


Good question nobby. The majority of our cases originated from travellers to Northern Italy who then passed it on to people close to them. If an infected person doesn't have a cough or sneeze then generally they can only pass on the infection from droplets in their breath or on their hands to people within a very close distance. Coughing and sneezing increases the range of transmission. There may be 1000s of people with the virus in the UK however hopefully by keeping about a metre away from other people and regularly hand washing they are not infecting others and the number of cases won't build as we saw in Italy. I therefore don't believe we are on the same trajectory as Italy.
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10 Mar 2020 10:05 #339 by Markovitch
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Holiday in Italy cancelled. [censored] wendies.
I may have to take the kids somewhere in Scotland!!
Is Alton Towers still working?

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10 Mar 2020 10:39 #340 by markredfox73
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Get out to back of beyond where hardly anyone is around..Galloway forest fits the bill

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10 Mar 2020 11:48 #341 by Markovitch
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Took the kids for a few days at the Galloway Activity Centre last year, it was brilliant. Kayaking, swimming, slides. Living in a yurt as well.
Only just down the road now as well. I find the SW to be just as beautiful as the highlands

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10 Mar 2020 12:37 #342 by ParcelPete
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Loch Ken,Colvend and Rockcliffe are lovely parts of Scotland.

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10 Mar 2020 13:03 #343 by seesaw50
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Tell you what I want to see happening is, instead of just giving the number of cases and deaths, can we have the number also of how many have now recovered....like the early cases put in hospital in Newcastle and on the Wirral

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10 Mar 2020 13:27 #344 by Urban Designer
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Everything is on here seesaw:
www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Although UK is one of the few countries that don't give the data for those who are critical

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10 Mar 2020 13:47 #345 by seesaw50
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I meant in this country tho.....cant worry unduly about other places am afraid

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10 Mar 2020 13:50 #346 by Zebby
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Was talking to a paramedic yesterday I wasn't aware that the eyes are the main entry point for the virus folk walking around with mouth covered when it should be the eyes also said takes about 15 minutes to get infection so if they attend a potential infected person one attends to assess situation if they think it's virus return to vehicle and both return in full protection

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10 Mar 2020 13:51 #347 by seesaw50
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Sorry reading that then only 18 have recovered in the UK.....since the end of January?? So 200 plus still ill

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10 Mar 2020 13:56 #348 by Dave
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Teacher at Trinity school Carlisle has it according to news. School is not being shut!! Very peculiar decision as kids, although possibly will only get mild version themselves, go everywhere and will spread it.
On a lighter note judging by comments on other thread about decreasing crowds at BP perhaps anyone who does get it should self isolate at BP - there`s plenty of room
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10 Mar 2020 14:06 #350 by NORTHERNSOUL
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seesaw50 wrote: I meant in this country tho.....cant worry unduly about other places am afraid


As I understand it more than half those confirmed to have had it have now been given the all-clear.

And as far as not declaring people who are critical that's probably because there aren't any. People need to understand that the ones that have died so far have not died from having the virus they have died from one of their existing conditions made worse because having the virus has reduced their immune system to the point where it cant fight the existing condition but because they had tested positive for the virus that is being given as the cause of death. We.ll see what happens when somebody with it but who was undiagnosed with the virus dies will the attribute it to the virus or give the real reason of death.
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