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03 Feb 2020 22:11 #101 by NORTHERNSOUL
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the Fox wrote: Andrew Jenkins goes home and away for the last GOD KNOWS How MANY YEARS. He's true fan who so happens to have a bit of money. But nobody makes money out of a football club these days.


Well, I could have put no money in for 12 years and lived it up on away jaunts a couple of dozen times a year and I .ll tell you what we.d be a damm sight nearer the championship than Jenkins has ever got us.

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03 Feb 2020 22:13 #102 by the Fox
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If I won the euro millions on Friday? Say £69 million I would still be bloody scared to invest in a football club. Ye have clubs in our league getting 2000 gates and paying players wages they can't afford. Efl does nothing about it. You'd be slightly mad to put ye money into any club.

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03 Feb 2020 22:23 #103 by NORTHERNSOUL
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the Fox wrote: What if say, one of the interested parties was someone like the guy that took over at Bury. We wouldn't be here talking about the club we're all passionate about. Because it would be gone and Brunton park would be a brand new Tescos


You're having i laugh neither Day or Dale would have lasted 10 minutes at BP If you bother to go back far enough on here and its predecessor you.ll see I was posting about Day and what he was up to within a month of him taking over at Gigg Lane. You see he has history down here and you only have to ask the question why did he move out of Burnley and to of all places Blackburn and the whole sad story starts to unravel and a certain former director at Burnley will quite happily tell you how much Day had in his bank account the day that he took over at Bury.

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03 Feb 2020 22:32 #104 by the Fox
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I ,it's a sad sorry affair . All the more worrying who will take over the running of the club. And the age Andrew Jenkins is he'll be under no illusion, sadly , he needs to find someone who'll look after his club , our club, the city's club properly .

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03 Feb 2020 22:41 #105 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Day's gift to the club (despite the "loans" he's already made) is to try and help it to run as a self sustaining business with a tangible strategy. To say they've "done nothing" is not even a distortion of the truth, it's a blatant lie. At least it would be, if you weren't borderline schizophrenic.

It's true, you can throw lots of capital into a football club to gamble on success - like a Bury or like your mate Mileson at Gretna. But all that gives you is boom and bust - it's not sustainable.

Why should we believe we are automatically entitled to have a sugar daddy turn up and bank roll the club to the tune of £1 million per season forever? No club has the devine right to expect that.

I shouldn't be surprised to see Lapping and theBigblue cosying up to each other, they're similar in so many ways.


Haha and there we have it Timothy Piglet thinks it's possible for a League Two football club to be run and operate as a self-sustaining business needing no external Sugar Daddy funding while achieving promotion So maybe you'd like to point me in the direction of one?

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03 Feb 2020 22:47 #106 by the Fox
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Well I'm off now, to put me euro millions lottery on. If they still sell the things after Brexit. Did ye say £1 million a season earlier. Right, I'll do it. If I win Come on ye blues.

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03 Feb 2020 22:47 #107 by NORTHERNSOUL
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the Fox wrote: I ,it's a sad sorry affair . All the more worrying who will take over the running of the club. And the age Andrew Jenkins is he'll be under no illusion, sadly , he needs to find someone who'll look after his club , our club, the city's club properly .


Given his track record over the last decade, Jenkins should be the last person to decide whos best eqpt to run the club properly

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03 Feb 2020 22:54 #108 by NORTHERNSOUL
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the Fox wrote: Well I'm off now, to put me euro millions lottery on. If they still sell the things after Brexit. Did ye say £1 million a season earlier. Right, I'll do it. If I win Come on ye blues.


I would gladly invest 5 million to get to the championship as if you ask the owners of the likes of Scunthorpe or Shrewsbury you.ll find out that once you're there the bidding to buy your club starts at 20 million. There are thousands of people around the world with the money who are gullible enough to be persuaded by some sharp agent that the club concerned is nailed on for promotion to the PL and the profit that could bring them.

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03 Feb 2020 23:21 #109 by Dancingbear
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Day's gift to the club (despite the "loans" he's already made) is to try and help it to run as a self sustaining business with a tangible strategy. To say they've "done nothing" is not even a distortion of the truth, it's a blatant lie. At least it would be, if you weren't borderline schizophrenic.

It's true, you can throw lots of capital into a football club to gamble on success - like a Bury or like your mate Mileson at Gretna. But all that gives you is boom and bust - it's not sustainable.

Why should we believe we are automatically entitled to have a sugar daddy turn up and bank roll the club to the tune of £1 million per season forever? No club has the devine right to expect that.

I shouldn't be surprised to see Lapping and theBigblue cosying up to each other, they're similar in so many ways.


Haha and there we have it Timothy Piglet thinks it's possible for a League Two football club to be run and operate as a self-sustaining business needing no external Sugar Daddy funding while achieving promotion So maybe you'd like to point me in the direction of one?


Go on then Barry just for you ill say Fred Story then bugger off to bed ;)

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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03 Feb 2020 23:56 #110 by crunchblue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Even with so much to be positive about the usual suspects are still worshipping at their church of negativity.

Nobody knows how much the fees involved in our transfers have been, whether it's £15,000 or £150,000 it makes no odds to me. Whatever we paid it's more than £0 - which is what Lapping and co would have had you believe we were going to spend before the window.

But instead of an apology and an admission they were wrong, what do we get? - More sniping and continued negativity.

Why be critical of the club paying fees for players on permanent transfers, signing on decent length contracts? Nobody in the football league discloses the fees they pay for players anymore - and why does it even matter? What matters is the standard of player arriving - if we can improve the quality of the squad without breaking the bank - what type of cretin would complain?

As for "an illusion", seven points from nine is obviously mist on the wind.

Some "fans" will always complain, always insinuate the worst and always say what's happened is not enough. Even when things are looking up they're still here spouting their bike, trying to cast doubt and further their own agendas. "Fans" like Lapping and Barry are not here because they want the club to succeed - they'd prefer to see the club fail.


Excuse me Piggy I know to the last penny how much it cost to release Anderton from his contract at Blackpool

How do I know?

Because he told the bloke who told me.

There's only one person here pushing a twisted agenda and trying to make out Jenkins and EWM have got the first clue about running a successful football club.

Probably because since you were deported and exiled to the wilds and backwoods of Canada the only fix you can get is a one camera coverage once a week on your tiny computer screen. Yet you think you're in a position to contradict lads who were sat 5 yards from the action. You were a sad little tiny dicked tosser when you lived here and it's pretty clear nothing has changed in the meantime.

No actually i.m here because I demand to see the club owned and run by someone whos willing to step up to the plate and fund it to a level that actually means that the team go into the start of a season with an actual chance of winning something.

Now it would be great if that someone was to be EWM but let's face it nothing they've done over the last two years leads me to think that Day is the man to write that million pound a year cheque DO YOU ?


How did you come to know the size of Piglet’s pork sausage?

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04 Feb 2020 00:05 #111 by munchymagic
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crunchblue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Even with so much to be positive about the usual suspects are still worshipping at their church of negativity.

Nobody knows how much the fees involved in our transfers have been, whether it's £15,000 or £150,000 it makes no odds to me. Whatever we paid it's more than £0 - which is what Lapping and co would have had you believe we were going to spend before the window.

But instead of an apology and an admission they were wrong, what do we get? - More sniping and continued negativity.

Why be critical of the club paying fees for players on permanent transfers, signing on decent length contracts? Nobody in the football league discloses the fees they pay for players anymore - and why does it even matter? What matters is the standard of player arriving - if we can improve the quality of the squad without breaking the bank - what type of cretin would complain?

As for "an illusion", seven points from nine is obviously mist on the wind.

Some "fans" will always complain, always insinuate the worst and always say what's happened is not enough. Even when things are looking up they're still here spouting their bike, trying to cast doubt and further their own agendas. "Fans" like Lapping and Barry are not here because they want the club to succeed - they'd prefer to see the club fail.


Excuse me Piggy I know to the last penny how much it cost to release Anderton from his contract at Blackpool

How do I know?

Because he told the bloke who told me.

There's only one person here pushing a twisted agenda and trying to make out Jenkins and EWM have got the first clue about running a successful football club.

Probably because since you were deported and exiled to the wilds and backwoods of Canada the only fix you can get is a one camera coverage once a week on your tiny computer screen. Yet you think you're in a position to contradict lads who were sat 5 yards from the action. You were a sad little tiny dicked tosser when you lived here and it's pretty clear nothing has changed in the meantime.

No actually i.m here because I demand to see the club owned and run by someone whos willing to step up to the plate and fund it to a level that actually means that the team go into the start of a season with an actual chance of winning something.

Now it would be great if that someone was to be EWM but let's face it nothing they've done over the last two years leads me to think that Day is the man to write that million pound a year cheque DO YOU ?


How did you come to know the size of Piglet’s pork sausage?


Perhaps he caught him jacking off into the soap dispenser in the Lanes toilets....

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04 Feb 2020 02:09 #112 by Piglet_Phoenix
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So every club which was won promotion from tier four in the last dozen years has had a random sugar daddy ploughing in £1 million of capital for free every year.

Right then.

Obviously this is in your little Schizo world where you fraternise with gangsters, have intimate relations with all footballers, keep a scrapbook where you like to fantasise about other people's penis size - and where you've definitely never ever had a season ticket for Deepdale.

Hats off to you for being a classic Lancashire nut job, Barry, well done.

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04 Feb 2020 08:35 #113 by Laffy
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Not sure why you keep trying to drag me into your little spats Pig-I agree with you on this one.Day put money in because we were a basket case and he offered a degree of charity.He soon realised the club was in a bigger mess across all aspects.He has brought financial discipline and a degree of professionalism across the club that wasn’t there before.Precisely what I said I was going to do-put some money in for a minority stake but run the club in a more professional way rather than building something on sand.

Its not difficult and whilst the transition has been challenging on the pitch, you can feel that change is in the air off it.Less drama, positive changes and a focus on financial discipline to create an investable proposition.

It’s what happens next that matters-reduced debt and a functioning team means the Club has options, including raising real money, looking at a new stadium and a transition to a different type of ownership.This is the project Day has instigated in the last 3 years through doing things properly.

As for you Piglet, why don’t you calm down.Your ranting is very irritating to say the least.

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04 Feb 2020 10:57 #114 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Not sure why you keep trying to drag me into your little spats Pig-I agree with you on this one.Day put money in because we were a basket case and he offered a degree of charity.He soon realised the club was in a bigger mess across all aspects.He has brought financial discipline and a degree of professionalism across the club that wasn’t there before.Precisely what I said I was going to do-put some money in for a minority stake but run the club in a more professional way rather than building something on sand.

Its not difficult and whilst the transition has been challenging on the pitch, you can feel that change is in the air off it.Less drama, positive changes and a focus on financial discipline to create an investable proposition.

It’s what happens next that matters-reduced debt and a functioning team means the Club has options, including raising real money, looking at a new stadium and a transition to a different type of ownership.This is the project Day has instigated in the last 3 years through doing things properly.

As for you Piglet, why don’t you calm down.Your ranting is very irritating to say the least.


Doing it properly would be to bung the half-million a year in as it's pretty clear that that's what's needed till you have it moving in the right direction and it's not as if either he or his company can't afford it is it? I bet it would take his accountants about 10 minutes to work out a way to do it so as the taxman ends up paying for it anyway.

And this is the reason why Day and EWM are not the answer we need someone who will make decisions with his heart and not by consulting his accountants every time 100k needs spending You might see him as the ideal owner Andrew but I certainly don't.

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04 Feb 2020 11:09 #115 by Laffy
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I don’t think he is the ideal owner-I never have.He is the bank and the bank has acted like one throughout.But he has brought an air of professionalism and relative calm-this despite the poor performance on the pitch.That is down to choice of manager and a draconian period of self imposed austerity.It would appear Beech might be the man to be able to operate in a more constrained budget whilst finding talent to develop.
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04 Feb 2020 11:48 #116 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: I don’t think he is the ideal owner-I never have.He is the bank and the bank has acted like one throughout.But he has brought an air of professionalism and relative calm-this despite the poor performance on the pitch.That is down to choice of manager and a draconian period of self imposed austerity.It would appear Beech might be the man to be able to operate in a more constrained budget whilst finding talent to develop.


Why do we need a constrained budget ? we just want someone to work some magic with their accounts and bung half a million a year in the success that would bring would drive turnover to the point of the club breaking even and if you could achieve two promotions in three years youd only be looking at 3 million quid which its quite possible to recover from the championship payments in 3 years or better still the minuite you hit the championship you sell it on for a massive profit. I cant see why the likes of Day cant see what i can ?

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04 Feb 2020 13:03 #117 by Laffy
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I would argue there is more chance of your analysis given a lid has been put on the black hole by Day.

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04 Feb 2020 13:40 #118 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: I would argue there is more chance of your analysis given a lid has been put on the black hole by Day.


But giving Curly Keith an extra half a million in the year we lost in the playoffs would almost certainly have got us promoted and sent us on a completely different trajectory and if that level of funding had continued or increased wed could be looking at the championship next season and the increased turnover in the years since would have taken care of the debt by producing a profit rather than a loss each season.

Owning a league two football club is about taking a gamble and then having an exit strategy just in case it goes wrong. Look at the gamble Luton took paying the level of wages they did when they got back in the league given their income was absolutely constrained by the capacity of their ground But they quickly got to the point they could monetise the fans by exploiting the demand they had created and look where they are now heading into a fantastic new city centre-ground and well established for a push at the championship in time for when they move in.

Look at Wimbledon building a new ground knowing they hadn't got the money to pay for it But its worked out for them because their fans have decided 6 million quid is a small price to pay to remain supporter owned.

The clubs that gamble are the clubs that win those that adopt Days methods stagnate of that there is nothing as certain.

If Day had wanted to reduce the debt he could have just written a cheque and done it in one fell swoop after all its not like hed miss 3 million from his 310 million net worth is it ?
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04 Feb 2020 13:51 #119 by Piglet_Phoenix
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I'm not dragging anyone anywhere, you've both jumped into bed together.

It's like the messageboard equivalent of that scene at the end of Animal Farm. Andrew is speaking, Barry is speaking and (if you removed the name plates) it would be impossible to tell which is which.

Both equally deluded.

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04 Feb 2020 13:54 #120 by bluebry
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Laffy wrote: I would argue there is more chance of your analysis given a lid has been put on the black hole by Day.


But giving Curly Keith an extra half a million in the year we lost in the playoffs would almost certainly have got us promoted and sent us on a completely different trajectory and if that level of funding had continued or increased wed could be looking at the championship next season and the increased turnover in the years since would have taken care of the debt by producing a profit rather than a loss each season.

Owning a league two football club is about taking a gamble and then having an exit strategy just in case it goes wrong. Look at the gamble Luton took paying the level of wages they did when they got back in the league given their income was absolutely constrained by the capacity of their ground But they quickly got to the point they could monetise the fans by exploiting the demand they had created and look where they are now heading into a fantastic new city centre-ground and well established for a push at the championship in time for when they move in.

Look at Wimbledon building a new ground knowing they hadn't got the money to pay for it But its worked out for them because their fans have decided 6 million quid is a small price to pay to remain supporter owned.

The clubs that gamble are the clubs that win those that adopt Days methods stagnate of that there is nothing as certain.

If Day had wanted to reduce the debt he could have just written a cheque and done it in one fell swoop after all its not like hed miss 3 million from his 310 million net worth is it ?


"Giving Curly Keith an extra half million", bloody hell I nearly choked on my Mars Bar!
He was one of the main reasons we got into this financial mess in the first place, he failed to get us promoted with a very well paid squad as it was, giving him another half million would probably have meant the cost cutting this last year would have been even worse.
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04 Feb 2020 14:09 #121 by Laffy
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I agree-the KC player bonus structure allegedly caused the last blip.

As for you Piglet, good morning

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04 Feb 2020 15:27 #122 by Wukkie
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We were well in the excrement before KC arrived. He put the brakes on the slide into oblivion and acually gave a large majority a bit of hope that things were improving. It soon went back to the old ways once he left.
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04 Feb 2020 16:19 #123 by Laffy
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But built on sand Wukkie-the football wasn’t great but obviously better than of late.KC saved the club from oblivion of course and we should all be thankful for that.

I am more hopeful after the January window because it looks like we were making decisions on the front foot at last.

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04 Feb 2020 16:39 #124 by CarlisleWhite
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I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.
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04 Feb 2020 17:42 #125 by NORTHERNSOUL
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bluebry wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Laffy wrote: I would argue there is more chance of your analysis given a lid has been put on the black hole by Day.


But giving Curly Keith an extra half a million in the year we lost in the playoffs would almost certainly have got us promoted and sent us on a completely different trajectory and if that level of funding had continued or increased wed could be looking at the championship next season and the increased turnover in the years since would have taken care of the debt by producing a profit rather than a loss each season.

Owning a league two football club is about taking a gamble and then having an exit strategy just in case it goes wrong. Look at the gamble Luton took paying the level of wages they did when they got back in the league given their income was absolutely constrained by the capacity of their ground But they quickly got to the point they could monetise the fans by exploiting the demand they had created and look where they are now heading into a fantastic new city centre-ground and well established for a push at the championship in time for when they move in.

Look at Wimbledon building a new ground knowing they hadn't got the money to pay for it But its worked out for them because their fans have decided 6 million quid is a small price to pay to remain supporter owned.

The clubs that gamble are the clubs that win those that adopt Days methods stagnate of that there is nothing as certain.

If Day had wanted to reduce the debt he could have just written a cheque and done it in one fell swoop after all its not like hed miss 3 million from his 310 million net worth is it ?


"Giving Curly Keith an extra half million", bloody hell I nearly choked on my Mars Bar!
He was one of the main reasons we got into this financial mess in the first place, he failed to get us promoted with a very well paid squad as it was, giving him another half million would probably have meant the cost cutting this last year would have been even worse.


The only person who caused the financial problem was Jenkins when he lost the cheque book [ or at at least when his [censored] sons took it off him ]

If you'd given Curle the money and he.d got us promoted there wouldn't have been any losses an extra million on turnover turns a 500k loss into a 500k profit

Any owner who won't or can't stump up 500k a year in league 2 is simply wasting their time and more importantly that of their fans.

You might not like that thought but the facts say that it's true.
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04 Feb 2020 19:36 #126 by Yorkie Blue
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CarlisleWhite wrote: I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.


Callum Guy will know the ropes though.


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04 Feb 2020 19:54 #127 by munchymagic
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Wukkie wrote: We were well in the excrement before KC arrived. He put the brakes on the slide into oblivion and acually gave a large majority a bit of hope that things were improving. It soon went back to the old ways once he left.


Well said.

I don't think that it is any coincidence that KC is doing well at Northampton.

Saying that they have the same complaints as many on here felt that the football isn't the best and because of that it would only take a bad run to get the fans on his back, yet we all know that he has it in him to turn things around.

They are very impressed however at how he totally slashed their wage bill since arriving yet still managed to have them riding high in the league.

Then you have the 700k and rising that he has amassed from the FA Cup run that they are on which has pleased fans and directors of the club immensely.

His CV has improved since he left us and like Wukkie said we soon went back to our old ways and look where we are now.

Sometimes you should be careful for what you wish for.
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04 Feb 2020 20:30 #128 by Graemehud
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Agreed. I always rated Curle, there was a professionalism about him.
He was a polite guy as well.
Look no further than Arsenal when wishing for change
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04 Feb 2020 20:32 #129 by ParcelPete
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Blubry's heed will explode if he sees Curle getting credit.

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04 Feb 2020 20:46 #130 by Mush
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and so will CCU!

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04 Feb 2020 20:50 #131 by nobbyblue
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I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.

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04 Feb 2020 21:47 #132 by munchymagic
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nobbyblue wrote: I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.


He seemed to understand his position and the community plus he had plenty of time for the fans - a kid at Northampton stayed back with his dad after a game to get a players autograph but the only person that they spotted was Keith Curle who invited them to a tour of the stadium and all of the autographs, he seemed to actually enjoy this part of his job.

Being nice will only get you so far and all that matters are the results at the end of the day and many see him as a failure because he didn't get us promoted but he was successful at avoiding a certain relegation.

It should be also noted that Curle and Sheridan were always teetering on getting the sack regardless of results as they were certainly no yes-men and made their feelings towards the club felt on many occasions to the media which I liked, the board didn't however and therefore we get a succession of yes-men in Pressley and Beech who are just plainly glad to be employed and will not upset the hierarchy, regardless if they are any good at management or not.
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04 Feb 2020 21:57 #133 by munchymagic
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CarlisleWhite wrote: I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.


Bang on there CW.

They aren't terrible signings on paper and I am happy with them but I think that we are so starved of anything positive that anything half-decent happening sends us into a frenzy of excitement.

You will get those who will not hear anything bad against the board saying 'look at all of these signings what more could they have done' - the answer would be 'a lot more' and they need to stop punishing the fans with signing bad managers and austerity through their own failure to budget properly and put any cash in.

The quality of football will always suffer with cost cutting, flair players cost money.
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04 Feb 2020 22:27 #134 by NORTHERNSOUL
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ParcelPete wrote: Blubry's heed will explode if he sees Curle getting credit.


Let's hope so
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04 Feb 2020 23:32 #135 by bluebry
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munchymagic wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.


He seemed to understand his position and the community plus he had plenty of time for the fans - a kid at Northampton stayed back with his dad after a game to get a players autograph but the only person that they spotted was Keith Curle who invited them to a tour of the stadium and all of the autographs, he seemed to actually enjoy this part of his job.

Being nice will only get you so far and all that matters are the results at the end of the day and many see him as a failure because he didn't get us promoted but he was successful at avoiding a certain relegation.

It should be also noted that Curle and Sheridan were always teetering on getting the sack regardless of results as they were certainly no yes-men and made their feelings towards the club felt on many occasions to the media which I liked, the board didn't however and therefore we get a succession of yes-men in Pressley and Beech who are just plainly glad to be employed and will not upset the hierarchy, regardless if they are any good at management or not.


I'm not going to get into any argument about old Curly Chops, I think that one has been debated to death, apart from..............................he was a really nice guy to talk to, and seem to have a lot of time for fans and especially the younger ones, but......does that make him a good manager????

And just as a matter of interest Munchy how do you know that Beech is a 'yes-man'? I'm absolutely fascinated to know, because what I've heard and know of him, hes is far, far removed from that small minded opinion. But then again people build up opinions to suit their own agendas, so I suppose opinions like that are hardly surprising.

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04 Feb 2020 23:37 #136 by bluebry
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munchymagic wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.


Bang on there CW.

They aren't terrible signings on paper and I am happy with them but I think that we are so starved of anything positive that anything half-decent happening sends us into a frenzy of excitement.

You will get those who will not hear anything bad against the board saying 'look at all of these signings what more could they have done' - the answer would be 'a lot more' and they need to stop punishing the fans with signing bad managers and austerity through their own failure to budget properly and put any cash in.

The quality of football will always suffer with cost cutting, flair players cost money.


We have 'flair players' Thomas and McKirdy??????????????????

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04 Feb 2020 23:40 #137 by bluebry
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Wukkie wrote: We were well in the excrement before KC arrived. He put the brakes on the slide into oblivion and acually gave a large majority a bit of hope that things were improving. It soon went back to the old ways once he left.


Did he really??? I didn't see the gates improve that much.

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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: Blubry's heed will explode if he sees Curle getting credit.


Let's hope so


Says the man who 'in his opinion' should throw more money at it, plunging us more into debt.

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04 Feb 2020 23:53 #139 by munchymagic
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bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.


He seemed to understand his position and the community plus he had plenty of time for the fans - a kid at Northampton stayed back with his dad after a game to get a players autograph but the only person that they spotted was Keith Curle who invited them to a tour of the stadium and all of the autographs, he seemed to actually enjoy this part of his job.

Being nice will only get you so far and all that matters are the results at the end of the day and many see him as a failure because he didn't get us promoted but he was successful at avoiding a certain relegation.

It should be also noted that Curle and Sheridan were always teetering on getting the sack regardless of results as they were certainly no yes-men and made their feelings towards the club felt on many occasions to the media which I liked, the board didn't however and therefore we get a succession of yes-men in Pressley and Beech who are just plainly glad to be employed and will not upset the hierarchy, regardless if they are any good at management or not.


I'm not going to get into any argument about old Curly Chops, I think that one has been debated to death, apart from..............................he was a really nice guy to talk to, and seem to have a lot of time for fans and especially the younger ones, but......does that make him a good manager????

And just as a matter of interest Munchy how do you know that Beech is a 'yes-man'? I'm absolutely fascinated to know, because what I've heard and know of him, hes is far, far removed from that small minded opinion. But then again people build up opinions to suit their own agendas, so I suppose opinions like that are hardly surprising.


Like I said - results are what matter.

All the board would entertain were yes men because whether or not Pressley liked to do his work out on the training pitch is irrelevant because Holdsworth wasn't going to let him do his job for him signing and negotiating with players was he or he would have ben out of a job, same with Beech and it looks like as long as Holdsworth is here that is all that we will see.

If Pressley and Beech were not such yes men then they would have demanded a better calibre of signings - the money is there.

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04 Feb 2020 23:59 #140 by munchymagic
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bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.


Bang on there CW.

They aren't terrible signings on paper and I am happy with them but I think that we are so starved of anything positive that anything half-decent happening sends us into a frenzy of excitement.

You will get those who will not hear anything bad against the board saying 'look at all of these signings what more could they have done' - the answer would be 'a lot more' and they need to stop punishing the fans with signing bad managers and austerity through their own failure to budget properly and put any cash in.

The quality of football will always suffer with cost cutting, flair players cost money.


We have 'flair players' Thomas and McKirdy??????????????????


We have one then McKirdy - Thomas isn't ours.

Thomas however would be a marque signing however and sending out a statement that we are ambitious and planning on going up.

You're probably going to tell me that Jenkins and Day cannot afford him?

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05 Feb 2020 00:02 #141 by bluebry
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munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.


He seemed to understand his position and the community plus he had plenty of time for the fans - a kid at Northampton stayed back with his dad after a game to get a players autograph but the only person that they spotted was Keith Curle who invited them to a tour of the stadium and all of the autographs, he seemed to actually enjoy this part of his job.

Being nice will only get you so far and all that matters are the results at the end of the day and many see him as a failure because he didn't get us promoted but he was successful at avoiding a certain relegation.

It should be also noted that Curle and Sheridan were always teetering on getting the sack regardless of results as they were certainly no yes-men and made their feelings towards the club felt on many occasions to the media which I liked, the board didn't however and therefore we get a succession of yes-men in Pressley and Beech who are just plainly glad to be employed and will not upset the hierarchy, regardless if they are any good at management or not.


I'm not going to get into any argument about old Curly Chops, I think that one has been debated to death, apart from..............................he was a really nice guy to talk to, and seem to have a lot of time for fans and especially the younger ones, but......does that make him a good manager????

And just as a matter of interest Munchy how do you know that Beech is a 'yes-man'? I'm absolutely fascinated to know, because what I've heard and know of him, hes is far, far removed from that small minded opinion. But then again people build up opinions to suit their own agendas, so I suppose opinions like that are hardly surprising.


Like I said - results are what matter.

All the board would entertain were yes men because whether or not Pressley liked to do his work out on the training pitch is irrelevant because Holdsworth wasn't going to let him do his job for him signing and negotiating with players was he or he would have ben out of a job, same with Beech and it looks like as long as Holdsworth is here that is all that we will see.

If Pressley and Beech were not such yes men then they would have demanded a better calibre of signings - the money is there.


Is the money there, really?, Proove it?
As far as I know the vast amount of money will go back to paying off the debt, and if it doesn't, do you honestly think 'in the long run' we would have a football club to follow?
You simply can't expect to run up debt, year upon year before somebody says "hang on I want my money back", or is that to simple for some to understand???
And as far as 'Elvis' was concerned would you honestly let him away with spending ANY money of any kind? I wouldn't, he was a disaster waiting to happen.

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05 Feb 2020 00:04 #142 by bluebry
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munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.


Bang on there CW.

They aren't terrible signings on paper and I am happy with them but I think that we are so starved of anything positive that anything half-decent happening sends us into a frenzy of excitement.

You will get those who will not hear anything bad against the board saying 'look at all of these signings what more could they have done' - the answer would be 'a lot more' and they need to stop punishing the fans with signing bad managers and austerity through their own failure to budget properly and put any cash in.

The quality of football will always suffer with cost cutting, flair players cost money.


We have 'flair players' Thomas and McKirdy??????????????????


We have one then McKirdy - Thomas isn't ours.

Thomas however would be a marque signing however and sending out a statement that we are ambitious and planning on going up.

You're probably going to tell me that Jenkins and Day cannot afford him?


Your absolutely right we can't afford him, he's from a premier club with Premier wages, how on earth can you expect us to match Sheffield United's wages???

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05 Feb 2020 00:13 #143 by munchymagic
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bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.


Bang on there CW.

They aren't terrible signings on paper and I am happy with them but I think that we are so starved of anything positive that anything half-decent happening sends us into a frenzy of excitement.

You will get those who will not hear anything bad against the board saying 'look at all of these signings what more could they have done' - the answer would be 'a lot more' and they need to stop punishing the fans with signing bad managers and austerity through their own failure to budget properly and put any cash in.

The quality of football will always suffer with cost cutting, flair players cost money.


We have 'flair players' Thomas and McKirdy??????????????????


We have one then McKirdy - Thomas isn't ours.

Thomas however would be a marque signing however and sending out a statement that we are ambitious and planning on going up.

You're probably going to tell me that Jenkins and Day cannot afford him?


Your absolutely right we can't afford him, he's from a premier club with Premier wages, how on earth can you expect us to match Sheffield United's wages???



Not for much longer he wont be though so his wage will have to be a bit more of where he is at this time in his carer.

How do you think we got Reeves, Hayward, Lummy, Bridges etc etc?

We sold them the club and where we wanted to be and what we expected of them, paid them their worth and they did the business.

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05 Feb 2020 00:29 #144 by munchymagic
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bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.


He seemed to understand his position and the community plus he had plenty of time for the fans - a kid at Northampton stayed back with his dad after a game to get a players autograph but the only person that they spotted was Keith Curle who invited them to a tour of the stadium and all of the autographs, he seemed to actually enjoy this part of his job.

Being nice will only get you so far and all that matters are the results at the end of the day and many see him as a failure because he didn't get us promoted but he was successful at avoiding a certain relegation.

It should be also noted that Curle and Sheridan were always teetering on getting the sack regardless of results as they were certainly no yes-men and made their feelings towards the club felt on many occasions to the media which I liked, the board didn't however and therefore we get a succession of yes-men in Pressley and Beech who are just plainly glad to be employed and will not upset the hierarchy, regardless if they are any good at management or not.


I'm not going to get into any argument about old Curly Chops, I think that one has been debated to death, apart from..............................he was a really nice guy to talk to, and seem to have a lot of time for fans and especially the younger ones, but......does that make him a good manager????

And just as a matter of interest Munchy how do you know that Beech is a 'yes-man'? I'm absolutely fascinated to know, because what I've heard and know of him, hes is far, far removed from that small minded opinion. But then again people build up opinions to suit their own agendas, so I suppose opinions like that are hardly surprising.


Like I said - results are what matter.

All the board would entertain were yes men because whether or not Pressley liked to do his work out on the training pitch is irrelevant because Holdsworth wasn't going to let him do his job for him signing and negotiating with players was he or he would have ben out of a job, same with Beech and it looks like as long as Holdsworth is here that is all that we will see.

If Pressley and Beech were not such yes men then they would have demanded a better calibre of signings - the money is there.


Is the money there, really?, Proove it?
As far as I know the vast amount of money will go back to paying off the debt, and if it doesn't, do you honestly think 'in the long run' we would have a football club to follow?
You simply can't expect to run up debt, year upon year before somebody says "hang on I want my money back", or is that to simple for some to understand???
And as far as 'Elvis' was concerned would you honestly let him away with spending ANY money of any kind? I wouldn't, he was a disaster waiting to happen.


Well we know that there 'was' money there regardless where it is now, we don't know where because they wont tell us - and why would they because then they could be scrutinized for charging supporters a premium price for a product on which they are skimping on and running the team and stadium into the ground, laughing all the way from the directors box.

And Day is the only person if anyone that deserves to get his cash back as he came in to help the club because your mate Jenkins ran it so badly he ran up debt.

And you liked Pressley and said that he needed more time.

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05 Feb 2020 12:42 #145 by bluebry
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munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: I hope it's just me, but this new found optimism feels a tad early to me.
Granted, new players have come in, but I can't say I had heard of any of them before they signed.
Callum Guy being described as a marquee signing (on an 18 month contract) seems a bit of a piss take. Stanniforth, Reeves or Bridges (maybe even Garner) can happily be described as marquee signings, but not sure it can be applied to a Blackpool player who does not get in.
The signings smack to me as a steadying of the ship, which is a step forward granted. However, if this is the team for next season, it smacks of mid table mediocrity when the loan signings go back. It will still need much investment in the team to make it into a play off team.
This also applies to the other point in the thread, in that Day has got the club to the position of stopping losing (at least) the amount of money lost. It's where it goes from there as well - sale of the club or back to reasonable budget somehow.


Bang on there CW.

They aren't terrible signings on paper and I am happy with them but I think that we are so starved of anything positive that anything half-decent happening sends us into a frenzy of excitement.

You will get those who will not hear anything bad against the board saying 'look at all of these signings what more could they have done' - the answer would be 'a lot more' and they need to stop punishing the fans with signing bad managers and austerity through their own failure to budget properly and put any cash in.

The quality of football will always suffer with cost cutting, flair players cost money.


We have 'flair players' Thomas and McKirdy??????????????????


We have one then McKirdy - Thomas isn't ours.

Thomas however would be a marque signing however and sending out a statement that we are ambitious and planning on going up.

You're probably going to tell me that Jenkins and Day cannot afford him?


Your absolutely right we can't afford him, he's from a premier club with Premier wages, how on earth can you expect us to match Sheffield United's wages???



Not for much longer he wont be though so his wage will have to be a bit more of where he is at this time in his carer.

How do you think we got Reeves, Hayward, Lummy, Bridges etc etc?

We sold them the club and where we wanted to be and what we expected of them, paid them their worth and they did the business.


So what you are saying is we should have signed Thomas full time, and paid him exactly what he was getting at Sheffield United, do you come from the Barrys school of economics??? (because let's face it he wasn't/isn't going to come for any less whilst he still has a year left on his contract at Sheffield), this can be sorted at the end of the season when he becomes a free agent.

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05 Feb 2020 12:45 #146 by bluebry
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munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.


He seemed to understand his position and the community plus he had plenty of time for the fans - a kid at Northampton stayed back with his dad after a game to get a players autograph but the only person that they spotted was Keith Curle who invited them to a tour of the stadium and all of the autographs, he seemed to actually enjoy this part of his job.

Being nice will only get you so far and all that matters are the results at the end of the day and many see him as a failure because he didn't get us promoted but he was successful at avoiding a certain relegation.

It should be also noted that Curle and Sheridan were always teetering on getting the sack regardless of results as they were certainly no yes-men and made their feelings towards the club felt on many occasions to the media which I liked, the board didn't however and therefore we get a succession of yes-men in Pressley and Beech who are just plainly glad to be employed and will not upset the hierarchy, regardless if they are any good at management or not.


I'm not going to get into any argument about old Curly Chops, I think that one has been debated to death, apart from..............................he was a really nice guy to talk to, and seem to have a lot of time for fans and especially the younger ones, but......does that make him a good manager????

And just as a matter of interest Munchy how do you know that Beech is a 'yes-man'? I'm absolutely fascinated to know, because what I've heard and know of him, hes is far, far removed from that small minded opinion. But then again people build up opinions to suit their own agendas, so I suppose opinions like that are hardly surprising.


Like I said - results are what matter.

All the board would entertain were yes men because whether or not Pressley liked to do his work out on the training pitch is irrelevant because Holdsworth wasn't going to let him do his job for him signing and negotiating with players was he or he would have ben out of a job, same with Beech and it looks like as long as Holdsworth is here that is all that we will see.

If Pressley and Beech were not such yes men then they would have demanded a better calibre of signings - the money is there.


Is the money there, really?, Proove it?
As far as I know the vast amount of money will go back to paying off the debt, and if it doesn't, do you honestly think 'in the long run' we would have a football club to follow?
You simply can't expect to run up debt, year upon year before somebody says "hang on I want my money back", or is that to simple for some to understand???
And as far as 'Elvis' was concerned would you honestly let him away with spending ANY money of any kind? I wouldn't, he was a disaster waiting to happen.


Well we know that there 'was' money there regardless where it is now, we don't know where because they wont tell us - and why would they because then they could be scrutinized for charging supporters a premium price for a product on which they are skimping on and running the team and stadium into the ground, laughing all the way from the directors box.

And Day is the only person if anyone that deserves to get his cash back as he came in to help the club because your mate Jenkins ran it so badly he ran up debt.

And you liked Pressley and said that he needed more time.


Yes you are quite right I did say Pressley deserved (at the time, in the summer) a bit longer, simply because I'm realistic and don't expect miracles, and because he lost three very good players in last January's window, I believed at the time he should get the summer to sort it all out, and I admit I was probably wrong, but so were a lot of other people. The rest is history of course and the board did the right thing, but in my opinion managers HAVE to be given time, and yes it was right to get rid before we slipped any further.

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05 Feb 2020 13:17 #147 by nobbyblue
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Pressley should have been given the boot after that interview after the Yeovil game.

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05 Feb 2020 13:32 #148 by nobbyblue
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Players deserved great credit because they over achieved Pressley said in finishing 10th. :-D

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05 Feb 2020 23:24 #149 by NORTHERNSOUL
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bluebry wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

ParcelPete wrote: Blubry's heed will explode if he sees Curle getting credit.


Let's hope so


Says the man who 'in his opinion' should throw more money at it, plunging us more into debt.



Maybe you'd like to explain how an owner being willing to write a cheque for 500k every July plunges the club into more debt ?

In fact, it's almost certain to do exactly the opposite. An extra 500k directly onto the playing budget will generate on-field success which will increase turnover which will lead to a reduced deficit/increased profit.

It really is amazing how people don't get this its the simple laws of economics. Of course, the fly in the appointment is if the owner is so [censored] useless that he can't spot a decent manager at 200 miles like Jenkins clearly carnt [ or he.d of appointed Evatt in the summer ] its just a shame we haven't had one who could since JC did that day in Southend when he appointed Simpson and if he is that bloody useless at it he deserves some arsehole manager to piss hiss cash up the wall.
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05 Feb 2020 23:28 #150 by NORTHERNSOUL
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munchymagic wrote:

bluebry wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: I have heard Keith wasn’t as organised as he made out but I quite liked him and a nice fella on the whole.


He seemed to understand his position and the community plus he had plenty of time for the fans - a kid at Northampton stayed back with his dad after a game to get a players autograph but the only person that they spotted was Keith Curle who invited them to a tour of the stadium and all of the autographs, he seemed to actually enjoy this part of his job.

Being nice will only get you so far and all that matters are the results at the end of the day and many see him as a failure because he didn't get us promoted but he was successful at avoiding a certain relegation.

It should be also noted that Curle and Sheridan were always teetering on getting the sack regardless of results as they were certainly no yes-men and made their feelings towards the club felt on many occasions to the media which I liked, the board didn't however and therefore we get a succession of yes-men in Pressley and Beech who are just plainly glad to be employed and will not upset the hierarchy, regardless if they are any good at management or not.


I'm not going to get into any argument about old Curly Chops, I think that one has been debated to death, apart from..............................he was a really nice guy to talk to, and seem to have a lot of time for fans and especially the younger ones, but......does that make him a good manager????

And just as a matter of interest Munchy how do you know that Beech is a 'yes-man'? I'm absolutely fascinated to know, because what I've heard and know of him, hes is far, far removed from that small minded opinion. But then again people build up opinions to suit their own agendas, so I suppose opinions like that are hardly surprising.


Like I said - results are what matter.

All the board would entertain were yes men because whether or not Pressley liked to do his work out on the training pitch is irrelevant because Holdsworth wasn't going to let him do his job for him signing and negotiating with players was he or he would have ben out of a job, same with Beech and it looks like as long as Holdsworth is here that is all that we will see.

If Pressley and Beech were not such yes men then they would have demanded a better calibre of signings - the money is there.


Read Beeches first interview in which he says he didn't get a lot of what he wanted anything but a yes man would have told them to get [censored] and walked away

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