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06 Feb 2020 00:38 #151 by Urban Designer
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Not sure if this has been posted but what were in the ins and outs of loans and permanent transfers?

Off the top of my head I'd say loans are stronger and permanents are weaker.

How much of the £1m for Branthwaite do you think they have spent?

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06 Feb 2020 00:44 #152 by munchymagic
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I would say nothing, we released some players and we got money for Hope - wont have been much but neither will the cost of the new signings, anything more than a nominal fee then it would be a longer contract and they would be shouting it from the rooftops.

Sounds good that we paid a few fees but if they are paying just the money the club owes to a player say 15k and the odd nominal 5k here and there it just boils down to we needed players so got a few cheap ones in - whether they are cheap and nasty remains to be seen.

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06 Feb 2020 13:35 - 06 Feb 2020 14:10 #153 by Mammoth
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Maybe you'd like to explain how an owner being willing to write a cheque for 500k every July plunges the club into more debt ?

In fact, it's almost certain to do exactly the opposite. An extra 500k directly onto the playing budget will generate on-field success which will increase turnover which will lead to a reduced deficit/increased profit.

It really is amazing how people don't get this its the simple laws of economics. Of course, the fly in the appointment is if the owner is so [censored] useless that he can't spot a decent manager at 200 miles like Jenkins clearly carnt [ or he.d of appointed Evatt in the summer ] its just a shame we haven't had one who could since JC did that day in Southend when he appointed Simpson and if he is that bloody useless at it he deserves some arsehole manager to piss hiss cash up the wall.


It's a risky strategy though. Throwing £500k at it should bring success but what if it doesn't? If 4 other clubs are doing the same then at least one has to miss out on promotion. Success should bring back crowds but would it be enough. You would need an extra 1200 averaged over a season to make up the £500k. Does the step up to League 1 generate that much more interest and revenue than League 2 football?
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06 Feb 2020 13:40 - 06 Feb 2020 14:11 #154 by bluebry
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Mammoth wrote: It's a risky strategy though. Throwing £500k at it should bring success but what if it doesn't? If 4 other clubs are doing the same then at least one has to miss out on promotion. Success should bring back crowds but would it be enough. You would need an extra 1200 averaged over a season to make up the £500k. Does the step up to League 1 generate that much more interest and revenue than League 2 football?


Honestly Mammoth you need to stop talking sense, there is absolutely no appetite for it around here!! LOL
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06 Feb 2020 14:29 #155 by CCU
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Mammoth wrote: It's a risky strategy though. Throwing £500k at it should bring success but what if it doesn't? If 4 other clubs are doing the same then at least one has to miss out on promotion. Success should bring back crowds but would it be enough. You would need an extra 1200 averaged over a season to make up the £500k. Does the step up to League 1 generate that much more interest and revenue than League 2 football?


Rough figures, the EFL Basic Award and Premier League Solidarity for 2018/19 was roughly £1.4m in L1 and £950k in L2, a difference of £450k approx.

Add in upturn in Attendance, Sponsorship and the likes on top...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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06 Feb 2020 14:51 #156 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mammoth wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote: Maybe you'd like to explain how an owner being willing to write a cheque for 500k every July plunges the club into more debt ?

In fact, it's almost certain to do exactly the opposite. An extra 500k directly onto the playing budget will generate on-field success which will increase turnover which will lead to a reduced deficit/increased profit.

It really is amazing how people don't get this its the simple laws of economics. Of course, the fly in the appointment is if the owner is so [censored] useless that he can't spot a decent manager at 200 miles like Jenkins clearly carnt [ or he.d of appointed Evatt in the summer ] its just a shame we haven't had one who could since JC did that day in Southend when he appointed Simpson and if he is that bloody useless at it he deserves some arsehole manager to piss hiss cash up the wall.


It's a risky strategy though. Throwing £500k at it should bring success but what if it doesn't? If 4 other clubs are doing the same then at least one has to miss out on promotion. Success should bring back crowds but would it be enough. You would need an extra 1200 averaged over a season to make up the £500k. Does the step up to League 1 generate that much more interest and revenue than League 2 football?


Good Questions Mammoth But no it's not Risky for the club at all it's only the owner whos exposed to any risk and if it goes wrong he.s just got to suck it up and in my opinion double his extra investment the following season. After all, it was him who chose the failed manager and it might just give them a bit more of an incentive to pick the right one in the first place

But yes there COULD be any number of other clubs playing the same game but the chances are there won't be So we.re averaging 4300 now to lose 500k are you telling me a season camped in the promotion places wouldn't add 2k to that then throw in 3 decent cup runs and you're looking at well over a million-plus which is why with the cash that he has I don't understand why Jenkins has never rolled that dice knowing he has nothing to lose its 500k out of a17 million fortune if it doesn't come off and if it does its enough to write off the clubs debts.

And yes having watched quite a bit of league one football [ with Accy ] over the last couple of seasons i.d say there's nothing to fear there especially for a club going into it with the momentum of a promotion and playing the same game again and whereas 500 is a good away turnout in League two there's plenty of opportunity for that figure to be 2k in league one and it's amazing what a17k gate against Sunderland would do for your seasons average not to mention the years turnover.

We.re in a rare but not unique situation of being a club that everyone knows is capable of gates and income way above where we are now which gives us an opportunity to go for it in a way that a lot of clubs can't even a bloke who knows nothing about football like Fred Story could see that so why can't a man with 60 years in the game not see it?
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06 Feb 2020 19:08 #157 by Urban Designer
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we got an extra 1,000 on average in our league 2 play off season so just going for promotion would generate that extra 500k.

In League 1 our averages were just under 8k first 2 seasons, it then dropped to 6k plus then 5k plus and in the final relegation season dropped to 4,200 ish.

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06 Feb 2020 20:06 #158 by Yorkie Blue
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I would think the reason there was a drop of 2000 on the average attendance after 2 seasons was because the zombies got hold of the club again.


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06 Feb 2020 21:58 #159 by Mammoth
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Well I agree with the principle that you have to invest. And not just in order to chase dreams of success and riches, you're either going forwards or backwards so trying to stand still just leads to decline. You have to factor in optimism bias though, what do you do to mitigate the loss if your investment doesn't work out as expected? If Jenkins is prepared to bear all the risk then we don't have to worry about that I suppose but I can see why he might worry.

Not that I think the club is being well run mind, we have definitely been on the backwards trend for too long. There's a bit of optimism from this transfer window but I have little confidence that something stupid won't happen by the time the next one comes round.

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07 Feb 2020 14:03 #160 by franksidebottom
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There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?

“Yeah, I know of Barry. Bit of a fantasist” - John Courtenay 2003
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07 Feb 2020 14:54 #161 by NORTHERNSOUL
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franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?
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07 Feb 2020 15:43 #162 by Dancingbear
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Did you see how much MK Dons have been losing? Saw it on Andy Holts twitter and he worked it out at over £100k per home match or summat.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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07 Feb 2020 15:47 #163 by Bluedevil
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


It's done Barnsley a world of good hasn't it? they're second bottom, oh and the mighty Blues thrashed them earlier this season.

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07 Feb 2020 16:01 #164 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


It's done Barnsley a world of good hasn't it? they're second bottom, oh and the mighty Blues thrashed them earlier this season.


Certainly has

3 out of 4 sides of the ground redeveloped with substantial large modern stands and spent most of the last 15 years in the championship and premier league.

And yes they may be near the bottom this season probably because the new Yank owners havnt invested
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07 Feb 2020 16:45 #165 by Bluedevil
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


It's done Barnsley a world of good hasn't it? they're second bottom, oh and the mighty Blues thrashed them earlier this season.


Certainly has

3 out of 4 sides of the ground redeveloped with substantial large modern stands and spent most of the last 15 years in the championship and premier league.

And yes they may be near the bottom this season probably because the new Yank owners havnt invested


Ok, well answered!
But lets take this scenario for example. Jenks throws in 500k for 3/4 years until he's with us no more, we get to the championship, gates have only doubled (and were talking about 8,000 we've never had a history of getting much bigger gates apart from our once fleeting visit to the top league!) but because hes gone and there's no more gravy train, and some unknown American investor comes in but doesnt want, or have the money to 'throw at it', what would happen then? back to square one I think.
Clubs have to be sustainable, because the vast majority do not have a rich benefactor, and those that do when they get bored and fed up it only leaves them in the poo, see Barnsley!

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07 Feb 2020 17:25 #166 by franksidebottom
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


1) What’s untrue exactly? We spent considerably more that season compared to other seasons, that is undeniable. I don’t really care where that put us amongst other budgets in the league as that isn’t up for debate. The point I was making was we pushed the boat out by our standards that season and we failed to go up, this is a response to your claim that pushing the boat out guarantees promotion.

2) How many 300+ appearance championship players sign on loan to league 2 clubs in January Barry? Why don’t we stick to being realistic. We signed 2 of the top 5 league 2 MVP’s (why have you used an American Football term?) in the summer if stats on assists are an MVP indicator. Why are you basing it all on the January window when we did all our big business at the start of the season?

3) I should have probably checked the figures for myself rather than just take Urban Designers as accurate. If so I would’ve found out the figure was actually only about 500 higher average attendance than the subsequent season and around 1000 on this season. Where do you get the 1500 increase from? You said if we were in the promotion places we’d be getting 2000 more, well we were in the promotion places for more than half of that season yet only gained on average 500 more fans. 500 x £12 a game (I think this is the average figure) x 24 = around £150,000 extra income. Not quite the half a million being talked about!

4) Luton didn’t get promoted. But that wasn’t my point. My point was that it’s possible for more than 3 clubs being big spenders in the same season meaning some have to miss out - this season proved the point.

5) It’s all hypothetical Barry, you haven’t got £x million under your bed so until you do it’s impossible to say how you’d spend it. It’s all well and good making claims when you know you’ll never be in the position, totally different if that time ever came. Also, and we’ve had this conversation a thousand times, neither you, nor me, nor anyone else knows how much cash AJ has at his disposal, I don’t know how anyone can claim to know. Even if we did know it doesn’t even mean somebody has that amount at his disposal anyway, asset rich and cash rich are two different things.

“Yeah, I know of Barry. Bit of a fantasist” - John Courtenay 2003

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07 Feb 2020 17:29 #167 by pigeonpete
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07 Feb 2020 18:12 #168 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


It's done Barnsley a world of good hasn't it? they're second bottom, oh and the mighty Blues thrashed them earlier this season.


Certainly has

3 out of 4 sides of the ground redeveloped with substantial large modern stands and spent most of the last 15 years in the championship and premier league.

And yes they may be near the bottom this season probably because the new Yank owners havnt invested


Ok, well answered!
But lets take this scenario for example. Jenks throws in 500k for 3/4 years until he's with us no more, we get to the championship, gates have only doubled (and were talking about 8,000 we've never had a history of getting much bigger gates apart from our once fleeting visit to the top league!) but because hes gone and there's no more gravy train, and some unknown American investor comes in but doesnt want, or have the money to 'throw at it', what would happen then? back to square one I think.
Clubs have to be sustainable, because the vast majority do not have a rich benefactor, and those that do when they get bored and fed up it only leaves them in the poo, see Barnsley!


Once you get to the championship so long as you don't let it go to your head and start paying premiership wages you're in the Money the tv deal alone is worth 6 million and clubs have been valued at 20 million [ yes I know that sounds ridiculous but there are agents out there who see a very easy 2 million commission and manipulate very gullible foreign potential owners from certain parts of the world ]

I don't think there's many on here who would agree with you that we.d only get 8k in the championship there are numerous clubs who take between 4 and 5k to PNE paying £28 for the privilege so i.d say the average would be well North of 10k

You can't really speculate what will happen once Jenkins is no more until you know what will happen to his shares and what EWM.s plans are because their involvement and especially their secrecy creates a massive amount of uncertainty.

But if we were moving in the right direction at that point I would hope that the shares wouldn't just be sold/passed on to the first option to satisfy the greed of his offspring.

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07 Feb 2020 18:50 #169 by NORTHERNSOUL
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franksidebottom wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


1) What’s untrue exactly? We spent considerably more that season compared to other seasons, that is undeniable. I don’t really care where that put us amongst other budgets in the league as that isn’t up for debate. The point I was making was we pushed the boat out by our standards that season and we failed to go up, this is a response to your claim that pushing the boat out guarantees promotion.
1] The amount we spent in a season in relation to before or after is totally irrelevant if that amount doesn't equal what the other clubs you're competing with that season are spending and then you throw in the 500k on top of that.


2) How many 300+ appearance championship players sign on loan to league 2 clubs in January Barry? Why don’t we stick to being realistic. We signed 2 of the top 5 league 2 MVP’s (why have you used an American Football term?) in the summer if stats on assists are an MVP indicator. Why are you basing it all on the January window when we did all our big business at the start of the season?

2] There are always players of a certain age in the higher leagues who get pissed off with playing in the stiffs every week and fancy half a season back in a first-team as they run down their contract on a decent wage. Slightly different scenario but a couple of months earlier who would have thought Madine would would be at Blackpool before the end of January. I don't recognise assists in any way whatsoever to me an MVP [ yes I agree horrible term but you know what I meant ] is the player the most fans want to sign. And i.m not basing it all on the January window but if i was a manager given an extra 500k and my team had got off to a decent start I think i.d be saving a good bit of it for the window.

3) I should have probably checked the figures for myself rather than just take Urban Designers as accurate. If so I would’ve found out the figure was actually only about 500 higher average attendance than the subsequent season and around 1000 on this season. Where do you get the 1500 increase from? You said if we were in the promotion places we’d be getting 2000 more, well we were in the promotion places for more than half of that season yet only gained on average 500 more fans. 500 x £12 a game (I think this is the average figure) x 24 = around £150,000 extra income. Not quite the half a million being talked about!

3] As I .ve already said you can't use that season as an indicator because of the way that until the final fortnight we got worse, not better so it's pretty obvious that the gates would drop off not get better i.d say had we gone on a steady run and been top of the league we.d of been getting gates similar to what we got in the playoff game v Exeter.

4) Luton didn’t get promoted. But that wasn’t my point. My point was that it’s possible for more than 3 clubs being big spenders in the same season meaning some have to miss out - this season proved the point.

4] So are you trying to say that if we.d spent the extra 500k our chances of being one of the promoted teams wouldn't have increased considerably? You keep flogging the dead horse that the teams who spend the most don't achieve the most when history over the last 20 years proves you wrong.

5) It’s all hypothetical Barry, you haven’t got £x million under your bed so until you do it’s impossible to say how you’d spend it. It’s all well and good making claims when you know you’ll never be in the position, totally different if that time ever came. Also, and we’ve had this conversation a thousand times, neither you, nor me, nor anyone else knows how much cash AJ has at his disposal, I don’t know how anyone can claim to know. Even if we did know it doesn’t even mean somebody has that amount at his disposal anyway, asset rich and cash rich are two different things.


5] Well I don't see many people claiming that The Sunday Times Rich List is a load of bollocks do you? Or is that what you're saying ? I.m assuming you aren't that stupid and therefore the figures for both Jenkins and Day have to be considered to be pretty much correct and if you read the notes at the start it explains to you how they deal with asset-rich v cash-rich

1] The amount we spent in a season in relation to before or after is totally irrelevant if that amount doesn't equal what the other clubs you're competing with that season are spending and then you throw in the 500k on top of that.

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07 Feb 2020 19:27 #170 by franksidebottom
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Bloody hell, so we spend what Pompey are spending then you throw in an extra half a million on top? You really are in cloud cuckoo land Bazza!!

“Yeah, I know of Barry. Bit of a fantasist” - John Courtenay 2003

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07 Feb 2020 19:43 #171 by franksidebottom
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Never took much notice of rich lists in the past although I’ve always wondered how people think they can estimate a person’s personal wealth.

Just reading a little about the Sunday Times List and came across this description of how it’s compiled...

“The editors estimate subjects' wealth from a range of public information, based on values in January each year. They typically explain their actions by stating: "We measure identifiable wealth, whether land, property, racehorses, art or significant shares in publicly quoted companies. We exclude bank accounts—to which we have no access... We try to give due consideration to liabilities."

So it’s an estimate and they have no access to what may be a large proportion of someone’s wealth. An educated guess is perhaps the best description.

Any idea whether it was Andrew Jenkins personal wealth or his family’s wealth? Does it include Pioneer Foods in the figure? (which he no longer owns). What was the split between capital and assets? How do they know he didn’t spend £2m for example last year?

You’ve said before he should shove a million into the club, how do you know he has this readily available? More questions than answers here Bazza, your figure is based on total guesswork.

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07 Feb 2020 19:54 #172 by Bluedevil
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


It's done Barnsley a world of good hasn't it? they're second bottom, oh and the mighty Blues thrashed them earlier this season.


Certainly has

3 out of 4 sides of the ground redeveloped with substantial large modern stands and spent most of the last 15 years in the championship and premier league.

And yes they may be near the bottom this season probably because the new Yank owners havnt invested


Ok, well answered!
But lets take this scenario for example. Jenks throws in 500k for 3/4 years until he's with us no more, we get to the championship, gates have only doubled (and were talking about 8,000 we've never had a history of getting much bigger gates apart from our once fleeting visit to the top league!) but because hes gone and there's no more gravy train, and some unknown American investor comes in but doesnt want, or have the money to 'throw at it', what would happen then? back to square one I think.
Clubs have to be sustainable, because the vast majority do not have a rich benefactor, and those that do when they get bored and fed up it only leaves them in the poo, see Barnsley!


Once you get to the championship so long as you don't let it go to your head and start paying premiership wages you're in the Money the tv deal alone is worth 6 million and clubs have been valued at 20 million [ yes I know that sounds ridiculous but there are agents out there who see a very easy 2 million commission and manipulate very gullible foreign potential owners from certain parts of the world ]

I don't think there's many on here who would agree with you that we.d only get 8k in the championship there are numerous clubs who take between 4 and 5k to PNE paying £28 for the privilege so i.d say the average would be well North of 10k

You can't really speculate what will happen once Jenkins is no more until you know what will happen to his shares and what EWM.s plans are because their involvement and especially their secrecy creates a massive amount of uncertainty.

But if we were moving in the right direction at that point I would hope that the shares wouldn't just be sold/passed on to the first option to satisfy the greed of his offspring.


Personally after the first season in the championship I would very much doubt there would be more than an 8,000 average if we're mid to bottom half of the table, we MIGHT have an extra 1,000 or so if we're somewhere near the play-offs. And its highly unlikely there will be many clubs bringing 4/5,000 to Brunt, apart from possibly a couple of the North West Clubs & Sunderland and Boro, if they are doing well.
And you can't say "The Greed off his offspring". I know for a fact (because I know his sons) that one of them is not in the least bit interested in football, and the other does go to games regularly but is not in the least bit interested in getting heavily involved, so you have to respect that.

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08 Feb 2020 00:11 #173 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Bluedevil wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: There seems to be quite a bit of misguided presumption flying about here. There are no guarantees in football especially when it comes to spending money to attempt to buy success. 1 Most of what Barry has suggested was done in 16/17 under Curle and look how that ended.

2 By recent CUFC standards we spent quite heavily in the summer of 2016 and handed out some good incentive based contracts to players who we presumed would get us promoted. We spent more than half the season in the automatic places (meaning bonuses were paid on a weekly basis as many were dependant on league position) yet we still ended up with nothing come the end of the season.

3 The extra 2,000 on the gate which Barry guarantees didn’t materialise. The extra 1,000 average generates around £300,000 over the season, not the half a million which Urban Designer predicts. So the end result is come the summer you’re no further forward but have an expensive squad with another year left on their expensive contracts and you’ve just lost an extra few hundred grand the previous season by doing what the fans wanted and going for it.

4Mammoth made a good point about the possibility of having 3 other big spending clubs in the same league at the same time as you choose to go for it. It certainly happened that season with Pompey, Luton and Plymouth. You may think the chances of that happening is remote Barry but it certainly can happen.

5It’s all well and good risking someone else’s money with ideas drawn up on the back of a beer mat but would you be that gung-ho with your own dosh?


1] Completely untrue the budget for that season took us up to what I believe it was the 8th highest spenders in the division and there were never any pictures of Jenks handing over one of them massive plastic cheques for 500k to Curly Keith

2] And if you want to look at why we wernt promoted that season look at the players that we brought in during the January window. Were there any championship players with 300 plus appearances on loan NO. Were there any of the top 5 MVP Players from either Lge 2 or indeed Lge 1 they are the players that get you promoted when you sign them and they are exactly the sort of players the extra 500k should be used to sign NO there wernt.

3] I think you.ll find the increase was nearer 1500 which would have been nearer the 500k than your 300k and you clearly fail to include two pertinent pieces of information a] The club did nothing over and above the norm to get people in. A Knighton or a Courtenay would have been on the TV and radio every night shouting the club from the rooftops Where was Jenkins ? certainly not doing his job that's for sure. b] And you fail to take into account the effect of going from the division's top team to one who just managed to sneak into the playoffs as that's not very likely to have fans crawling out of the woodwork is it ? Whereas Jenkins coming out waving the cheque about and saying there's half a million quid Keith now go out and give the fans the promotion that they crave in front of half the nations media.

4] And with that statement you prove my point. The teams that spent the money got promotion.

5] If i was 80 years of age with 17 million quid under my bed i.d spend every single penny to get the club into the championship before i popped my clogs. Jenkins should follow the example of the Barnsley owner who did just that.

So come on then Frank what's your answer then ? more of the same austerity from Jenkins Holdsworth Day and EWM ?. For god's sake if Day really wanted to help he could just Bung 10 million in its not as if you're ever gonna miss that out of aa 305 million pound personal fortune is it ?


It's done Barnsley a world of good hasn't it? they're second bottom, oh and the mighty Blues thrashed them earlier this season.


Certainly has

3 out of 4 sides of the ground redeveloped with substantial large modern stands and spent most of the last 15 years in the championship and premier league.

And yes they may be near the bottom this season probably because the new Yank owners havnt invested


Ok, well answered!
But lets take this scenario for example. Jenks throws in 500k for 3/4 years until he's with us no more, we get to the championship, gates have only doubled (and were talking about 8,000 we've never had a history of getting much bigger gates apart from our once fleeting visit to the top league!) but because hes gone and there's no more gravy train, and some unknown American investor comes in but doesnt want, or have the money to 'throw at it', what would happen then? back to square one I think.
Clubs have to be sustainable, because the vast majority do not have a rich benefactor, and those that do when they get bored and fed up it only leaves them in the poo, see Barnsley!


Once you get to the championship so long as you don't let it go to your head and start paying premiership wages you're in the Money the tv deal alone is worth 6 million and clubs have been valued at 20 million [ yes I know that sounds ridiculous but there are agents out there who see a very easy 2 million commission and manipulate very gullible foreign potential owners from certain parts of the world ]

I don't think there's many on here who would agree with you that we.d only get 8k in the championship there are numerous clubs who take between 4 and 5k to PNE paying £28 for the privilege so i.d say the average would be well North of 10k

You can't really speculate what will happen once Jenkins is no more until you know what will happen to his shares and what EWM.s plans are because their involvement and especially their secrecy creates a massive amount of uncertainty.

But if we were moving in the right direction at that point I would hope that the shares wouldn't just be sold/passed on to the first option to satisfy the greed of his offspring.


Personally after the first season in the championship I would very much doubt there would be more than an 8,000 average if we're mid to bottom half of the table, we MIGHT have an extra 1,000 or so if we're somewhere near the play-offs. And its highly unlikely there will be many clubs bringing 4/5,000 to Brunt, apart from possibly a couple of the North West Clubs & Sunderland and Boro, if they are doing well.
And you can't say "The Greed off his offspring". I know for a fact (because I know his sons) that one of them is not in the least bit interested in football, and the other does go to games regularly but is not in the least bit interested in getting heavily involved, so you have to respect that.


I know neither of them are really interested in the club its the cash they're interested in hence why the brakes were suddenly applied to the old mans spending 3 years ago not long after they took over the reins at Rosehill

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09 Feb 2020 11:26 #174 by CarlisleWhite
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The police would put the block on big away followings, as they did with Leeds. Think 2K max from a small number of clubs. We also don't have owners with the forsight of PNE.
Typical losses in the championship are a million a month.
Pure fantasy to see Carlisle as a championship club in this money orientated set up.
The teams that have got there have not lasted long, and most are still suffering from it.

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09 Feb 2020 11:50 #175 by CCU
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CarlisleWhite wrote: Pure fantasy to see Carlisle as a championship club in this money orientated set up.


Let’s just padlock the gates and fold the Club...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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09 Feb 2020 14:33 #176 by CarlisleWhite
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CCU wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Pure fantasy to see Carlisle as a championship club in this money orientated set up.


Let’s just padlock the gates and fold the Club...

Nor sure what that means, but I worry more about further down than the chances of going up (twice).
There is, to coin a phrase, not a pot to piss in. Even with the budget cuts, we are still losing money hand over fist. The Branthwaite sale has helped things but we are still miles away from being sustainable.

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09 Feb 2020 14:40 #177 by CCU
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

CCU wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Pure fantasy to see Carlisle as a championship club in this money orientated set up.


Let’s just padlock the gates and fold the Club...


Nor sure what that means, but I worry more about further down than the chances of going up (twice).
There is, to coin a phrase, not a pot to piss in. Even with the budget cuts, we are still losing money hand over fist. The Branthwaite sale has helped things but we are still miles away from being sustainable.


May as well pack in if it's not worth trying over time.

The Accounts due soon are for last Season, which we all know will show a loss. It’s the ones in just over a years time that will be of more interest due to the belt tightening and likes of Branthwaite sale being in them. Only when we see those will we have a better, clearer picture...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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09 Feb 2020 15:14 #178 by upperbyblue
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Is it just my phone that has to scroll through miles of quotes in this thread or does everybody have to deal with this shyte
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