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01 Feb 2020 20:00 #51 by franksidebottom
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With tin hat firmly on, I’m going to stick up a little for a Pressley here. The club’s transfer policy appears to have significantly changed over the last 6 months due to numerous cash windfalls and a balancing of the books by EWM.

Pressley to be fair to him was forced to recruit at a very low level; released players, free agents, Scottish lower league players. He had little to no money to spend and was only able to offer maximum 12 month contracts - significantly reducing the quality of player you’re able to attract. If rumours are to be believed Christie Elliott was his 5th choice right-back which shows how low he had to go to attract players.

Beech meanwhile seems to have had the luxury of being able to spend a bit of money. Actually paying transfer fees to attract first-teamers from clubs at a higher level and also being able to offer realistic length contracts. Both are undoubted advantages in the transfer market and the result has been some promising looking additions.

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01 Feb 2020 20:12 #52 by The Archer
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While he might have been hampered by DH’s one year contract rule, I don’t get this Pressley had no money argument. Most of the squad was out of contract. He must have had £1m, possibly closer to £2m to allocate on wages for the year, in the summer. If he’d have wanted he could have used some of it for ‘undisclosed’ nominal fees. Instead,
he chose to spend it on the likes of NKP, Webster, Elliott, Carroll, Sorensen, Loft etc. What a dreadful bunch he signed, McKirdy aside. He did his best to get us relegated.

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01 Feb 2020 20:25 #53 by franksidebottom
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So if most of the squad was out of contract he obviously had to spend what money he had on quite a large number of players, probably meaning the opportunity to actually pay fees for players was dramatically reduced.

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01 Feb 2020 20:45 #54 by thetashkentterror
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franksidebottom wrote: With tin hat firmly on, I’m going to stick up a little for a Pressley here. The club’s transfer policy appears to have significantly changed over the last 6 months due to numerous cash windfalls and a balancing of the books by EWM.

Pressley to be fair to him was forced to recruit at a very low level; released players, free agents, Scottish lower league players. He had little to no money to spend and was only able to offer maximum 12 month contracts - significantly reducing the quality of player you’re able to attract. If rumours are to be believed Christie Elliott was his 5th choice right-back which shows how low he had to go to attract players.

Beech meanwhile seems to have had the luxury of being able to spend a bit of money. Actually paying transfer fees to attract first-teamers from clubs at a higher level and also being able to offer realistic length contracts. Both are undoubted advantages in the transfer market and the result has been some promising looking additions.



Please don't bring facts into the argument.

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01 Feb 2020 21:03 #55 by munchymagic
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thetashkentterror wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: With tin hat firmly on, I’m going to stick up a little for a Pressley here. The club’s transfer policy appears to have significantly changed over the last 6 months due to numerous cash windfalls and a balancing of the books by EWM.

Pressley to be fair to him was forced to recruit at a very low level; released players, free agents, Scottish lower league players. He had little to no money to spend and was only able to offer maximum 12 month contracts - significantly reducing the quality of player you’re able to attract. If rumours are to be believed Christie Elliott was his 5th choice right-back which shows how low he had to go to attract players.

Beech meanwhile seems to have had the luxury of being able to spend a bit of money. Actually paying transfer fees to attract first-teamers from clubs at a higher level and also being able to offer realistic length contracts. Both are undoubted advantages in the transfer market and the result has been some promising looking additions.



Please don't bring facts into the argument.


He is on record as saying that apart from the striker who didn't want to come Pressley got all of the players he wanted.

Holdsworth confirmed this, they weren't third of fourth choices but his top picks.

Then you would question the actual budget - Jenkins is on record stating that the Pressley squad was costing more than Curle spent.

Why were the players not fit, even if they were terrible or playing bad the lack of fitness was a joke and they were constantly looking to the bench for instructions.

The gradual decline under his tenure is plain to see by looking at the league table this season and last.


Taking all this into consideration I don't think that Pressley was unlucky just a terrible football manager.
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01 Feb 2020 21:08 #56 by Markovitch
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We were on the the verge of the automatic promotion places when he joined. He sat on his fingers when he was told nadesan and yates were leaving. Then he replaced them with a player who never started a game. He had a young lad who despite being limited improved the team when he came on, and pressley wouldn't play him.

How many players have improved since he left? Hayden looks a l1 defender, couldn't even get on the bench. Even webster has improved, a bit.

The man was a jonah. Absolutely bloody useless
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01 Feb 2020 21:11 #57 by franksidebottom
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I’m not talking about his managerial ability or the fitness of his squad so why bring that into the argument? I’m talking about the undoubted change in the clubs transfer policy.

I know for a fact that we missed out on at least 3 players in the summer so our signings certainly weren’t our first choices and if you believe Pressley’s budget was bigger than Curle’s then you’re sadly mistaken, absolutely way out. Don’t believe everything that comes out of the club!

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01 Feb 2020 21:36 #58 by munchymagic
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franksidebottom wrote: I’m not talking about his managerial ability or the fitness of his squad so why bring that into the argument? I’m talking about the undoubted change in the clubs transfer policy.

I know for a fact that we missed out on at least 3 players in the summer so our signings certainly weren’t our first choices and if you believe Pressley’s budget was bigger than Curle’s then you’re sadly mistaken, absolutely way out. Don’t believe everything that comes out of the club!


Even Beech missed out on targets so I don't think that it has drastically changed - if you look at how Pressley had to sign best part of a squad, okay we probably didn't pay for any of them, maybe we did but again it will only have been nominal.

And many of our squad are on loan just like before, we pick one and send them back etc and some like the keeper wont be costing much if anything at all.

Not complaining about the current player situation but I would have at least expected this sort of activity in January, and those whooping for joy at us paying money for players should remember that they are 'undisclosed' fees so the Hope money alone will have covered all of those so they wont have had to touch the Branthwaite cash I would guess.

Things are on the up because they could hardly have been any worse than Pressley so credit to Beech for this.

The board get [censored] all credit from me as these little January 'gifts' they have given us don't hide away from the abuse that they have bestowed upon the club over the years.

Some of you are easily bought off it would seem with a few cheap trinkets in the January sales.
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01 Feb 2020 21:53 #59 by franksidebottom
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Not really sure what any of that means in the context of the discussion so I won’t credit it with much of a reply.

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01 Feb 2020 22:35 #60 by munchymagic
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franksidebottom wrote: Not really sure what any of that means in the context of the discussion so I won’t credit it with much of a reply.


Wasn't a dig at you in particular but those who last week were desperate to get them out and now are wanking over their very existence and generosity should take a long hard look at themselves.
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02 Feb 2020 09:53 #61 by nobbyblue
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January Transfer Window - Summary

Players in:

Elliot Watt (Midfielder - on loan from Wolverhampton Wanderers, until end of season)
Max Hunt (Defender - signed from Derby County, until June 2021)
Joshua Kayode (Striker - on loan from Rotherham United until end of season)
Nick Anderton (Defender - signed from Blackpool until June 2021)
Lewis Alessandra (Forward - signed from Morecambe until June 2020)
Callum Guy (Midfielder - signed from Blackpool until June 2021)
Marcus Dewhurst (Goalkeeper - on loan from Sheffield United until June 2020)
Omari Patrick (Forward - signed from Bradford City until June 2021)

Players out:

Keighran Kerr (Forward - loaned to Kendal Town, until end of season)
Jarrod Branthwaite (Defender - sold to Everton)
Hallam Hope (Forward - sold to Swindon Town)
Christie Elliott (Defender - released, signed by Dundee)
Canice Carroll (Midfielder - returned to Brentford, on loan to Stevenage)

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02 Feb 2020 10:07 #62 by nobbyblue
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I think Carroll is a permanent move to Stevenage. Bloody trust!

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02 Feb 2020 10:31 #63 by pacirv
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Anyone know who Dion Sanderson is he’s listed on the official site as a defender signed on 31/01/2020.
We have to credit Pressley for signing Hayden, McKirdy,Sagaf and getting Thomas back doesn’t detract from his poor coaching though. He wouldn’t play Hayden for whatever reason now Beach won’t play Sagaf when everyone else rates him above Scougall and Bridge.

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02 Feb 2020 11:06 #64 by CCU
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pacirv wrote: Anyone know who Dion Sanderson is he’s listed on the official site as a defender signed on 31/01/2020.


As said earlier, clearly been entered onto Carlisle instead of Cardiff by accident...

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02 Feb 2020 11:30 #65 by pacirv
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Sorry CCU missed that things get shifted and less than obvious sometimes where they go.
Do the club have no control over what is put on their official site? Its far from right or up to date.

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02 Feb 2020 11:54 #66 by CCU
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I believe all Clubs use a central system (Most sites have a similar look). Would guess that someone has meant to put him at Cardiff and has scrolled one too far and clicked Carlisle...

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02 Feb 2020 12:07 #67 by pacirv
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Ha! Reminds me when I worked in Manchester back in the sixties they asked where I was from when I said Carlisle they said oh! I thought you sounded Welsh. No I said that's Cardiff you di*ks lol.
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They must have thought you were a right card.

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pacirv wrote: Ha! Reminds me when I worked in Manchester back in the sixties they asked where I was from when I said Carlisle they said oh! I thought you sounded Welsh. No I said that's Cardiff you di*ks lol.


Well at least it's different from being called a bloody Geordie, as I was whilst working in Yorkshire/Lancashire.......bloody Southerners!!!!!

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03 Feb 2020 07:45 #70 by Burneside Blue
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nobbyblue wrote: I think Carroll is a permanent move to Stevenage. Bloody trust!

He's away from Carlisle United, that's all I'm bothered about.

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03 Feb 2020 07:47 #71 by Waltero
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I'll second that

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03 Feb 2020 08:42 #72 by NORTHERNSOUL
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franksidebottom wrote: With tin hat firmly on, I’m going to stick up a little for a Pressley here. The club’s transfer policy appears to have significantly changed over the last 6 months due to numerous cash windfalls and a balancing of the books by EWM.

Pressley to be fair to him was forced to recruit at a very low level; released players, free agents, Scottish lower league players. He had little to no money to spend and was only able to offer maximum 12 month contracts - significantly reducing the quality of player you’re able to attract. If rumours are to be believed Christie Elliott was his 5th choice right-back which shows how low he had to go to attract players.

Beech meanwhile seems to have had the luxury of being able to spend a bit of money. Actually paying transfer fees to attract first-teamers from clubs at a higher level and also being able to offer realistic length contracts. Both are undoubted advantages in the transfer market and the result has been some promising looking additions.


Don't get carried away about the bollocks of paying fees for players we simply haven't been.

What we have been doing is agreeing to pay what the players previous club owe to the player, for example, one of the signings was been talked about as being 50k when in fact it was just over 15k.

I doubt that the total cost of bringing the players in has been even 50k and none of them will be on wages that blow the existing constraints apart and will have simply seen us returning to paying around the league average and clearly the penny has dropped that if you pay 500 quid a week you.ll be lucky to sign even decent monkeys.

Just a shame Cosgrove didn't get his move and we could in one fell swoop have got the millstone that is EWM and Holdsworth from around our necks once and for all.
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03 Feb 2020 13:36 #73 by Laffy
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I agree-I very much hope it’s not ‘change to create the illusion of progress’ The positive things is that they have recognised the rubbish on offer was unacceptable

Cosgrove missed a sitter against Rangers.

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03 Feb 2020 13:58 #74 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Even with so much to be positive about the usual suspects are still worshipping at their church of negativity.

Nobody knows how much the fees involved in our transfers have been, whether it's £15,000 or £150,000 it makes no odds to me. Whatever we paid it's more than £0 - which is what Lapping and co would have had you believe we were going to spend before the window.

But instead of an apology and an admission they were wrong, what do we get? - More sniping and continued negativity.

Why be critical of the club paying fees for players on permanent transfers, signing on decent length contracts? Nobody in the football league discloses the fees they pay for players anymore - and why does it even matter? What matters is the standard of player arriving - if we can improve the quality of the squad without breaking the bank - what type of cretin would complain?

As for "an illusion", seven points from nine is obviously mist on the wind.

Some "fans" will always complain, always insinuate the worst and always say what's happened is not enough. Even when things are looking up they're still here spouting their bike, trying to cast doubt and further their own agendas. "Fans" like Lapping and Barry are not here because they want the club to succeed - they'd prefer to see the club fail.

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03 Feb 2020 14:00 #75 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Edit: "Spouting their bile*"

Leave that Chopper in the garage.

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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Even with so much to be positive about the usual suspects are still worshipping at their church of negativity.

Nobody knows how much the fees involved in our transfers have been, whether it's £15,000 or £150,000 it makes no odds to me. Whatever we paid it's more than £0 - which is what Lapping and co would have had you believe we were going to spend before the window.

But instead of an apology and an admission they were wrong, what do we get? - More sniping and continued negativity.

Why be critical of the club paying fees for players on permanent transfers, signing on decent length contracts? Nobody in the football league discloses the fees they pay for players anymore - and why does it even matter? What matters is the standard of player arriving - if we can improve the quality of the squad without breaking the bank - what type of cretin would complain?

As for "an illusion", seven points from nine is obviously mist on the wind.

Some "fans" will always complain, always insinuate the worst and always say what's happened is not enough. Even when things are looking up they're still here spouting their bike, trying to cast doubt and further their own agendas. "Fans" like Lapping and Barry are not here because they want the club to succeed - they'd prefer to see the club fail.


"So much to be positive about"?

Piglet we've had a few good results recently, that's all. I agree it is good that we've had those results, but it doesn't undo the decade of mismanagement and incompetence. What you see as negativity, I see as fans being cautious and not wanting to rush in and assume everything is fine now just because of a few good results. The crowds are still 1/2 of what they were when the BOD took over. We've had a few good results, great, but there is still a very long way to go just to get back to the same shape the club was in when the BOD took over, let alone improve on it.

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03 Feb 2020 14:13 #77 by Waltero
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Out of curiosity Pig what was the last game you were physically at.
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03 Feb 2020 17:27 #78 by Wukkie
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Hillsbrough April 2012!
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03 Feb 2020 18:00 #79 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Kessler, there's nothing wrong with being cautious.

However, there's a clear difference with being cautious and the mentality of the anti-club types on this forum.

It's not "cautious" to be constantly making snidey remarks and always seeking to denigrate everything which happens at the club at every opportunity.

If you open your eyes you can clearly see there is plenty to be positive and optimistic about happening at the club currently. Most of it stemming from the succession of ownership which is taking place and the change in business operating model and philosophy which has occured due to this.

The appointment of Beech, the transfer window and our recent improved form are all evidence of this.

And you're quite correct, there has been a decade or more of decline - for many reasons. But you've got to realise it's not realistic to expect someone to wave a magic wand and in an instant take us back to upper tier three with double our crowds. How long do you remain bitter and twisted when it's abundantly clear the club is on the road to recovery?

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03 Feb 2020 18:02 #80 by Laffy
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The fact is Pig that you and I don’t know whether it’s been a good window because it’s too early to say-some of the guys have had no chance to shine.So in summary, as I said, let’s see where we are in a month.By all accounts, we weren’t brilliant on Saturday but were at FG.I have no doubt however that Beech could wipe the floor with Pressley who talked a good game but proved to utterly clueless.


One thing is very clear-the transfer dealings this season have been positive in terms of cash generation.But I do think it’s a bit early to get the bunting out on the team.Swindon will be a good benchmark but early indications are positive.

How is that analysis negative?
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03 Feb 2020 18:11 #81 by franksidebottom
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Waltero wrote: Out of curiosity Pig what was the last game you were physically at.


Don’t expect an answer Walter, he avoids the questions which make him look daft.

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03 Feb 2020 18:19 #82 by Markovitch
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Transfer fees clearly are positive but i would think the wage bill has risen. Hope's wage is gone but elliott will have been paid to go

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03 Feb 2020 18:27 #83 by Laffy
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I tend to agree but I doubt the numbers will be much higher in the scheme of things.

With the window out of the way, it’s time to focus on what’s happening on the pitch.

If the club can generate £500k of cash each year from transfer dealings, not a bad place to be at all.Motherwell sold a young boy a few days ago and that gives them 3 years of cash reserves. Doesnt take much at these levels to change the whole climate

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This is just the start as well. Trick is to find the next crop of branthwaites.

And work on loaning them back. Mccarron is just what we need now

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03 Feb 2020 20:29 - 03 Feb 2020 20:43 #85 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Even with so much to be positive about the usual suspects are still worshipping at their church of negativity.

Nobody knows how much the fees involved in our transfers have been, whether it's £15,000 or £150,000 it makes no odds to me. Whatever we paid it's more than £0 - which is what Lapping and co would have had you believe we were going to spend before the window.

But instead of an apology and an admission they were wrong, what do we get? - More sniping and continued negativity.

Why be critical of the club paying fees for players on permanent transfers, signing on decent length contracts? Nobody in the football league discloses the fees they pay for players anymore - and why does it even matter? What matters is the standard of player arriving - if we can improve the quality of the squad without breaking the bank - what type of cretin would complain?

As for "an illusion", seven points from nine is obviously mist on the wind.

Some "fans" will always complain, always insinuate the worst and always say what's happened is not enough. Even when things are looking up they're still here spouting their bike, trying to cast doubt and further their own agendas. "Fans" like Lapping and Barry are not here because they want the club to succeed - they'd prefer to see the club fail.


Excuse me Piggy I know to the last penny how much it cost to release Anderton from his contract at Blackpool

How do I know?

Because he told the bloke who told me.

There's only one person here pushing a twisted agenda and trying to make out Jenkins and EWM have got the first clue about running a successful football club.

Probably because since you were deported and exiled to the wilds and backwoods of Canada the only fix you can get is a one camera coverage once a week on your tiny computer screen. Yet you think you're in a position to contradict lads who were sat 5 yards from the action. You were a sad little tiny dicked tosser when you lived here and it's pretty clear nothing has changed in the meantime.

No actually i.m here because I demand to see the club owned and run by someone whos willing to step up to the plate and fund it to a level that actually means that the team go into the start of a season with an actual chance of winning something.

Now it would be great if that someone was to be EWM but let's face it nothing they've done over the last two years leads me to think that Day is the man to write that million pound a year cheque DO YOU ?
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03 Feb 2020 20:54 #86 by ParcelPete
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Waltero wrote: Out of curiosity Pig what was the last game you were physically at.


My guess is.
Vancouver whitecaps v Real Salt Lake.
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Bowyer fired at bradford. Not a great surprise.

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03 Feb 2020 21:31 #88 by the Fox
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The transfer window has been good. Why? Everton bought our promising future premiership star. They could have paid a lot less, but they didn't. They paid the going rate for a lad that is still learning. Also you can't stand in the way of Branthwaite because an offer like that may never come again. He could have easily slipped on a Brunton pastie left in the car park, broken leg ,career FINISHED!
Also if anyone thinks Andrew Jenkins or any of the Directors make any money out of Carlisle Utd they want there heads looked at.
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03 Feb 2020 21:33 - 03 Feb 2020 21:48 #89 by Molly123
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: You were a sad little tiny dicked tosser when you lived here and it's pretty clear nothing has changed in the meantime.


Brilliant! .... You tell him pal
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03 Feb 2020 21:42 #90 by munchymagic
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the Fox wrote: The transfer window has been good. Why? Everton bought our promising future premiership star. They could have paid a lot less, but they didn't. They paid the going rate for a lad that is still learning. Also you can't stand in the way of Branthwaite because an offer like that may never come again. He could have easily slipped on a Brunton pastie left in the car park, broken leg ,career FINISHED!
Also if anyone thinks Andrew Jenkins or any of the Directors make any money out of Carlisle Utd they want there heads looked at.


Oh righto - if he is losing that much money then why doesn't he just piss off then?
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03 Feb 2020 21:42 #91 by the Fox
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A fight on a forum. I'll step in! "Calm down lads, break it up.

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03 Feb 2020 21:46 #92 by the Fox
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Andrew Jenkins goes home and away for the last GOD KNOWS How MANY YEARS. He's true fan who so happens to have a bit of money. But nobody makes money out of a football club these days.

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03 Feb 2020 21:47 #93 by munchymagic
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The only time when we hear from Jenkins is when he is crying because he has to put some cash into the club - do you hear from him when the times are good with a bit of football fortune?

Apart from swatting away interested parties trying to get their thieving hands on 'their' assets like they have always done we hear sod all from them.

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03 Feb 2020 21:51 #94 by munchymagic
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the Fox wrote: Andrew Jenkins goes home and away for the last GOD KNOWS How MANY YEARS. He's true fan who so happens to have a bit of money. But nobody makes money out of a football club these days.


Are you aware that you can still be a fan by going to home and away games without owning and dragging the club you purport to support into the gutter?

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03 Feb 2020 21:52 #95 by the Fox
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What if say, one of the interested parties was someone like the guy that took over at Bury. We wouldn't be here talking about the club we're all passionate about. Because it would be gone and Brunton park would be a brand new Tescos
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03 Feb 2020 21:52 #96 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Day's gift to the club (despite the "loans" he's already made) is to try and help it to run as a self sustaining business with a tangible strategy. To say they've "done nothing" is not even a distortion of the truth, it's a blatant lie. At least it would be, if you weren't borderline schizophrenic.

It's true, you can throw lots of capital into a football club to gamble on success - like a Bury or like your mate Mileson at Gretna. But all that gives you is boom and bust - it's not sustainable.

Why should we believe we are automatically entitled to have a sugar daddy turn up and bank roll the club to the tune of £1 million per season forever? No club has the devine right to expect that.

I shouldn't be surprised to see Lapping and theBigblue cosying up to each other, they're similar in so many ways.
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03 Feb 2020 22:00 #97 by munchymagic
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the Fox wrote: What if say, one of the interested parties was someone like the guy that took over at Bury. We wouldn't be here talking about the club we're all passionate about. Because it would be gone and Brunton park would be a brand new Tescos


We knew the safe hands that we were in with Laffy or Lummy's consortium.

And what a silly statement, do you really think that Tesco didn't learn their lesson from building their store just further up the flood plain?

Jenkins is not the answer and should do the decent thing and stand aside, he had his chances and blew it every single time, now it is someone else's turn - we need a new direction and fresh and exciting new ideas that Jenkins can't be bothered with but these things matter to the fans.

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03 Feb 2020 22:00 #98 by ParcelPete
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the Fox wrote: What if say, one of the interested parties was someone like the guy that took over at Bury. We wouldn't be here talking about the club we're all passionate about. Because it would be gone and Brunton park would be a brand new Tescos


Wouldn't build a new Tesco half a mile from the other one ya daft sod.
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03 Feb 2020 22:03 #99 by the Fox
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Ye know what I mean. (Other supermarkets are also available) Ok A nature reserve for swans and geese.

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03 Feb 2020 22:06 #100 by NORTHERNSOUL
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the Fox wrote: The transfer window has been good. Why? Everton bought our promising future premiership star. They could have paid a lot less, but they didn't. They paid the going rate for a lad that is still learning. Also you can't stand in the way of Branthwaite because an offer like that may never come again. He could have easily slipped on a Brunton pastie left in the car park, broken leg ,career FINISHED!
Also if anyone thinks Andrew Jenkins or any of the Directors make any money out of Carlisle Utd they want there heads looked at.


When has anybody said Jenkins or anybody else has ever made any money out of the club ?

Thats not the issue and never has been

There are basically two issues with him firstly at one point he and his company were owed nearly 1.5 million and stubbornly refused to write it off or come up with a vehicle which would in effect have enabled the inland revenue to do it on his behalf. Yes kicking and screaming he's now converted it to these B shares but plenty of us still aren't convinced that there's a way they won't come back to cash them in at some point in the future.

And then there's his total lack of ambition for the club don't tell me that at any point during the last 10 years he couldn't have found someone with a bit of financial muscle who could have taken the job forward for gods sake he's even got his own man inside FL HQ who no doubt will have the heads upon anyone who shows even the slightest interest in taking on and funding a club.
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