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09 Mar 2020 11:56 #1 by Sammy Taylor
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With the Eric Dier incident last week when he climbed into the crowd to confront a fan who was abusing his family....Was he right or wrong to do so?

Does fans who pay their money have a right say what and when they want and abuse Players \ Directors \ Officials and Families?

Danny Murphy in an article in the MOS says he had abuse about not only himself but his mother \wife and kids. His mother eventually stopped going to matches because of it.
He thinks players have to learn how to take the abuse and should never ever go into the crowd to confront fans.

On the other hand on Radio Cumbria on Saturday Lummy said he backed Dier all the way and would have done exactly the same as his family would always be first priority.

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09 Mar 2020 12:03 #2 by CUFC52
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Imo, abuse of any ones family member is unacceptable.

Personal abuse is also unacceptable.

However, as a fan do I have the right to vent my opinions on a players performance, managers and owners performance ? Yes, I’m a paying fan and should be able too.

The difficult thing is where is the line, I feel the Mckirdy incident this season went too far (on both parties parts.

Personally I thought the abuse which sections of the of the paddock and Warwick was giving Colin on Saturday was unacceptable.

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09 Mar 2020 12:21 #3 by nobbyblue
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They could say out they wanted to me if I was on £100k a week.

I'd just think of my bank balance and treat them with the disdain they deserve.
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09 Mar 2020 12:23 #4 by nobbyblue
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They don't help themselves sometimes. Raheem Sterling used to continually post pictures on social media of his new house or motor.

James Tavernier apparently drives about Glasgow in his new Lamborgini. Let's just hope he doesn't take a wrong turn!

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09 Mar 2020 12:30 #5 by lummy8
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I would accept anything thrown at me verbally, I know others who would not tolerate it but if you are paying your money to watch, you have a right to tell me I'm having a nightmare or whatever, I would even accept the personal stuff unlike others.

If my family gets abuse, then i'm doing what Dier done. The thing is, Dier cant hear what is being said, all he can see is confrontation, which will panic you and natural instinct is to protect.

Jamie O'Hara saying he should have stayed there and watched because he is representing Spurs says more about that fool then anything, he was the biggest idiot going in his time to all supporters.

This is one where it is a debate and can see all sides of it, I am just saying what my reaction would be and I would stand by it.

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09 Mar 2020 12:37 #6 by deepfathom
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nobbyblue wrote: They don't help themselves sometimes. Raheem Sterling used to continually post pictures on social media of his new house or motor.

James Tavernier apparently drives about Glasgow in his new Lamborgini. Let's just hope he doesn't take a wrong turn!


A bit off topic, I know, but how good a player is Tavernier? He seems to be Ranger's best player when I see them on TV, although he was't playing yesterday versus the mighty Ross County. Is he a decent player in a very ordinary team in a very ordinary league, or is there more to him than that?

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09 Mar 2020 12:45 - 09 Mar 2020 13:20 #7 by Piglet_Phoenix
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lummy8 wrote: I would accept anything thrown at me verbally, I know others who would not tolerate it but if you are paying your money to watch, you have a right to tell me I'm having a nightmare or whatever, I would even accept the personal stuff unlike others.


Never a bigger lie spoken on this messageboard.

I'm not sure Dier has previous for telephoning supporters who've been critical of Tottenham players and inviting them to pop down to wherever for a fight.
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09 Mar 2020 12:51 #8 by lummy8
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Absolute lies from an attention seeking balding, ginger mess.

The lad that did call you has struggled in his career since hasn't he?

I just called you a pipe and then later on seen Kevin Gall take your "girl" off you, though she said you were just friends "championship piglet".
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09 Mar 2020 12:53 #9 by lummy8
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Oh and I did check, I am allowed to post them photos if I want, I am freelance :)

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09 Mar 2020 13:15 #10 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Say whatever you like "Chris", we both know you're telling lies, again.

I'm not sure why you persist with the "Kevin Gall stole your girl" line. My other half, at the time of the call, didn't live in Carlisle. Are you claiming Gall made a 350 mile round trip after your abusive phone call, broke in and out of my house without anyone noticing - crept into my bed and had sex there before leaving?

I suppose, as I was sleeping, anything might have happened. How do you know however, did you come with him to watch?

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09 Mar 2020 13:36 #11 by lummy8
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Yep

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09 Mar 2020 13:55 #12 by CarlisleSaint
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WOW, This just got abit weird,

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09 Mar 2020 14:00 #13 by CCU
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Ah, players acting in a voyeur-esque role!

Anyone remember the rumour about an ex-second choice Keeper hiding in a curtain whilst a Scottish striker was on the job?

Be in the 90’s this...

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09 Mar 2020 15:01 #14 by Markovitch
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Now would be a good time for a photo

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09 Mar 2020 15:37 #15 by Dancingbear
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deepfathom wrote:

nobbyblue wrote: They don't help themselves sometimes. Raheem Sterling used to continually post pictures on social media of his new house or motor.

James Tavernier apparently drives about Glasgow in his new Lamborgini. Let's just hope he doesn't take a wrong turn!


A bit off topic, I know, but how good a player is Tavernier? He seems to be Ranger's best player when I see them on TV, although he was't playing yesterday versus the mighty Ross County. Is he a decent player in a very ordinary team in a very ordinary league, or is there more to him than that?


I don’t think he’s too popular as Rangers captain if you look on their forum but that could be down to the piss poor run they’re on.

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09 Mar 2020 15:57 #16 by Burneside Blue
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Perhaps there could be a separate thread created where grown men can could each other,amongst other things, "pan face"," ginger balding messes" and such like.... perhaps also people could threaten repeatedly to post pictures on there and even indulge in the mature,grown up debates about who challenged who to a scrap that no doubt didn't happen and who "stole"who's ladyfriend over a decade earlier.if such a thread could be started it might free up space for actual,interesting discussions such as this one to take place... just a thought...
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09 Mar 2020 16:09 #17 by CUFC52
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Burneside Blue wrote: Perhaps there could be a separate thread created where grown men can could each other,amongst other things, "pan face"," ginger balding messes" and such like.... perhaps also people could threaten repeatedly to post pictures on there and even indulge in the mature,grown up debates about who challenged who to a scrap that no doubt didn't happen and who "stole"who's ladyfriend over a decade earlier.if such a thread could be started it might free up space for actual,interesting discussions such as this one to take place... just a thought...


You’d need more than one thread, otherwise Kessler would just take it over
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09 Mar 2020 16:34 #18 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Why should there be a separate thread? What happened in 2008 at our club is relevant.

Certain players in our squad received justified criticism from paying supporters . These players (and others who were not criticised) took it upon themselves to make abusive telephone calls to supporters because they could not (and clearly still can't) take the criticism.

The question is whether supporters have the right to be critical and whether players should have the right to respond and to what degree.

"Panface" isn't an abusive term, it was the weird little Geordie pervert's nickname at the club at the time. Indeed, BBCRC have probably still got the tapes of the shows where they (and former players) have a good laugh about it. Although in fairness, I'll stop calling him it as it's clearly upset him.

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09 Mar 2020 16:46 #19 by Burneside Blue
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Why should there be a separate thread? What happened in 2008 at our club is relevant.

Certain players in our squad received justified criticism from paying supporters . These players (and others who were not criticised) took it upon themselves to make abusive telephone calls to supporters because they could not (and clearly still can't) take the criticism.

The question is whether supporters have the right to be critical and whether players should have the right to respond and to what degree.

"Panface" isn't an abusive term, it was the weird little Geordie pervert's nickname at the club at the time. Indeed, BBCRC have probably still got the tapes of the shows where they (and former players) have a good laugh about it. Although in fairness, I'll stop calling him it as it's clearly upset him.


Oh right,i understand now... my mistake... although I didn't say it was offensive... just bloody ridiculous to be honest,many of us have moved on over the last decade... some of us clearly need to...
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09 Mar 2020 17:08 #20 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Anything can be offensive, if you're offended by it.

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09 Mar 2020 17:22 #21 by Burneside Blue
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Anything can be offensive, if you're offended by it.

As a wise man never said

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09 Mar 2020 18:11 #22 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Burneside Blue wrote:

Piglet_Phoenix wrote: Anything can be offensive, if you're offended by it.

As a wise man never said


There are a lot of unanswered questions about this. Now I may have missed some of this as I .ve been pretty busy over the weekend but

How the hell from on the pitch in a crowd of 50k did Dier know what was being said to his brother 20 rows back? It's being said it was racist? short of their being a whole section full of [censored] abusing a white bloke I fail to see what racist chants could be directed against him or his family by Spurs fans.

Why wasn't his brother sat in a section for friends relatives with comp tickets? If it was so bad but only from a small minority that Dier took that action then why didn't other fans around about get involved?

As I say lots of unanswered questions

But as far as i.m concerned any fan paying his money is entitled to call a player what he likes in the ground, in the streets or on social media its called having an opinion and at the minute there's way too much suppression of peoples rights to do that but on the flip side, a player should be free to take whatever actions he feels are needed if someone pisses him off. And its nothing for plod or the FA to get involved in either its a matter between the two individuals concerned no one else.

And personally I find Lummy,s attitude a breath of fresh air and cant see what McKirdys problem was time the guy grew up and grew a pair if you ask me.

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09 Mar 2020 19:12 #23 by Taffy-P
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There’s a few lads who stand behind the away dugout hurling abuse the opposition looking for a reaction
On Saturday one was abusing Adam Colin I thought it when too far I said “No wonder Eric Dyer went into the crowd with [censored] wits like you about” then I got abused !!!!!!!3 or 4 lads round me (who I don’t know) backed me up

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09 Mar 2020 19:54 #24 by High Street
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First story that came out was somebody racially abusing one of his team mates.
Another weird thing, was he seemed unaware of how to use the steps!

Its odd how players on £1,000’s per week can happily try to break each others legs, but when someone criticises them for a bad pass of flogged goal, they go all soft.

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09 Mar 2020 20:14 #25 by Laffy
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McKirdy thinks he’s better than he is-he’s playing in the worst EFL division 2 in living memory in a team propping up most of the league.He needs to focus on his own game and figure out how he improves his career as it can’t fall much further.No doubt he has something but if he can’t shine in this league, he’s got a bigger problem.Sunday Sun described him as ineffective-and that just about sums up his season thus far.

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09 Mar 2020 20:18 #26 by aberdeenblue28
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Laffy wrote: McKirdy thinks he’s better than he is-he’s playing in the worst EFL division 2 in living memory in a team propping up most of the league.He needs to focus on his own game and figure out how he improves his career as it can’t fall much further.No doubt he has something but if he can’t shine in this league, he’s got a bigger problem.Sunday Sun described him as ineffective-and that just about SUMS UP HIS SEASON SO FAR.

Top scorer in the FA Cup, team of the tournament league cup, top scorer for us, 5 assists. Give the lad a break. He’s one that needs encouragement not abuse
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09 Mar 2020 20:56 #27 by Laffy
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Playing in a poor bottom 4 team-he’s not George Best.If he could give the team 90 mins of full on commitment I might have a different view.He was more effective under SP in my view

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09 Mar 2020 21:06 #28 by Piglet_Phoenix
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If he was George Best we couldn't have signed him.

As stated above, 11 goals and 5 assists isn't too shabby for a season truncated by injury and playing isolated wide on the left.

Don't get me wrong, he's far from the finished article but the potential is clearly there, he's young and has time on his side. He's also undeniably a match winner on his day and the crowd really should be helping him not needlessly getting on his back.
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09 Mar 2020 21:30 #29 by Laffy
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Then he needs to stop falling over like he’s been shot, arguing with the linesman which is his forte, and stop drifting in and out of games.He’s definitely marmite, on the wrong side because of his lack of focus.

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10 Mar 2020 08:48 #30 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Playing in a poor bottom 4 team-he’s not George Best.If he could give the team 90 mins of full on commitment I might have a different view. He was more effective under SP in my view


I don't need him to give 90 minutes, for me he can sit on his arse on the dugout roof for 89 minutes for me so long as in the other minute he provides a match-winning contribution
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10 Mar 2020 09:05 #31 by topstepwhinger
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Laffy wrote: Playing in a poor bottom 4 team-he’s not George Best.If he could give the team 90 mins of full on commitment I might have a different view. He was more effective under SP in my view


I don't need him to give 90 minutes, for me he can sit on his arse on the dugout roof for 89 minutes for me so long as in the other minute he provides a match-winning contribution


Exactly.
There is no point in having 11 robots with no ability running around for 90 minutes. Football is a team game and you need a balance between those that can run around a lot and stop the opposition, alongside others who can win you a game out of nowhere. The job of the manager/coach is to get the balance right.
Would Liverpool have won the league with 11 Jordan Henderson's? No, yet he could well be a well deserved player of the year. He creates the platform for the 3 up top to do their thing and win them the games.
Yes that is the Premiership, but it is all relative. At Division 4 level McKirdy appears to be a potential matchwinner.
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10 Mar 2020 14:58 #32 by cocaineblues
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Piglet_Phoenix wrote: I'm not sure why you persist with the "Kevin Gall stole your girl" line. My other half, at the time of the call, didn't live in Carlisle. Are you claiming Gall made a 350 mile round trip after your abusive phone call, broke in and out of my house without anyone noticing - crept into my bed and had sex there before leaving


That was me actually. Although I suppose there could have been others? Perhaps naïve of me to think we were exclusive.

She was crap, by the way.

At least we're not Mullen.

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10 Mar 2020 15:29 #33 by Burneside Blue
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It'd be the only thing Kevin gall did tackle during his time with cufc.
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10 Mar 2020 17:27 #34 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Cocaineblues, was I snoring or sleeping peacefully at the time?

Did you bring your own weird little Geordie pervert to watch - or were you flying solo?

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10 Mar 2020 17:43 #35 by Dazwacky
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I remember Roddy Collins getting a load of abuse in the Paddock off 4 blokes, he spun round took jacket off and offered all 4 of them out in the car park for a straightener it was comedy Gold, the 4 blokes just put heads down went quiet as people laughed around them it was genius!

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10 Mar 2020 18:38 #36 by Laffy
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Ok-how many matches have we won with him making a contribution?I haven’t looked but it can’t be many.

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10 Mar 2020 19:05 #37 by Piglet_Phoenix
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Dazwacky wrote: I remember Roddy Collins getting a load of abuse in the Paddock off 4 blokes, he spun round took jacket off and offered all 4 of them out in the car park for a straightener it was comedy Gold, the 4 blokes just put heads down went quiet as people laughed around them it was genius!


I must've missed the genius of Collins as a manager. If he'd actually had a clue what he was doing rather than being a radge pikey nut-job all the time we might've avoided relegation to the Conference.

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13 Mar 2020 16:15 #38 by Wukkie
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The weekly occurence of him taking his jacket off and slinging it in the dugout was more entertaining than the football back then.

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13 Mar 2020 18:55 #39 by Mush
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Kicking and throwing water bottles were his favourites too. He was just trying to make folk think he had a clue what he was doing.

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13 Mar 2020 20:18 #40 by Unrepentant blue
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When I was younger I used to join in with the sagging off of certain players. Not so much now though.
Overall its counter productive I feel. But more than that if a player is not good enough then more than likely it's not really their fault.

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