BBC 5 live:getting shot of good presenters/commentators

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11 Mar 2020 23:25 #1 by markredfox73
Anyone like me will have noticed the high and mighty have culled some really good folk from the station. Alan Green the best football commentator in my view is the latest to not have his contract renewed ...Straight to point fella tells it like it is no messing or needless banter .Mark Pougatch also shafted recently too..Luckily he has other stuff to do on tv...Racings Cornelius Lysaght for me is a disgrace getting rid...Took over the mantle from Peter Bromley and fitted in smoothly...and is highly respected in the racing world....shafted royally....Jonathan Overend too who is a superb tennis journalist also has been shoved out..probably a few more too that have been regulars and superb at their jobs over the years...listening to some of these younger pundits on there now has become cringeworthy...Even good journalists not doing the sport have been pushed out and shafted all for a lot pc bollocks it seems and wooden robotic folk that just want to make you switch off

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?


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11 Mar 2020 23:52 #2 by ParcelPete
Someones got to pay for Linekers wages.
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11 Mar 2020 23:55 #3 by topstepwhinger
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I agree with every word you have said there MRF.
Along with the NHS it is the greatest of British institutions.
It started with Victoria Derbyshire being axed, who again is a wonderful journalist and broadcaster.
There's obviously something at play here - Boris and some of his cronies seem to have had it in for the BBC for a while now, ever since they used an empty chair as a stand in for him.
It appears as if they are looking to save money probably fearing that the license fee is going to disappear, but at what real cost?
I would much rather continue to pay the license fee (which I feel is good value for money) rather than putting up with adverts and second rate presenters.

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11 Mar 2020 23:59 #4 by Bluedazblue
I'm not a big fan of Alan Green to be honest, a bit too strident - 'I know it all' - for my liking.

As I understand it the reason for these dismissals is that BBC 5 Live doesn't believe that these presenters appeal to the target demographic, i.e. younger, racially diverse, female audiences.

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12 Mar 2020 00:03 #5 by Bluedazblue
Just to add.

These changes were mooted prior to the December election and were reported at the time, so Boris's antipathy to the BBC is not a factor in this instance.

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12 Mar 2020 00:07 #6 by topstepwhinger
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ParcelPete wrote: Someones got to pay for Linekers wages.


I am sure that if the BBC didn't pay him what they do, somebody like Sky, BT Sport or whoever would.

I don't think BT Sport will be paying him in crisps for the Champions League stuff he does.

He may not be everyone's cup of tea but I personally think he does a good job - remember John Barnes on Channel 4 I think it was.

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12 Mar 2020 01:16 #7 by Dentonholmersimpson
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Going to bring a whole lot of shit on me but, apart from Jacqie Oatley, who is a pioneer in her field, the rest of the female commentators are just filling a pc gap,

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12 Mar 2020 04:16 #8 by nobbyblue
Alan Greens a tit.

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12 Mar 2020 08:07 #9 by Dancingbear

Dentonholmersimpson wrote: Going to bring a whole lot of shit on me but, apart from Jacqie Oatley, who is a pioneer in her field, the rest of the female commentators are just filling a pc gap,


I don’t really mind a lot of women commentators but that Vicky Sparks is bloody woeful. I usually knock it off if she’s on.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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12 Mar 2020 08:18 #10 by NORTHERNSOUL

topstepwhinger wrote: I agree with every word you have said there MRF.
Along with the NHS it is the greatest of British institutions.
It started with Victoria Derbyshire being axed, who again is a wonderful journalist and broadcaster.
There's obviously something at play here - Boris and some of his cronies seem to have had it in for the BBC for a while now, ever since they used an empty chair as a stand in for him.
It appears as if they are looking to save money probably fearing that the license fee is going to disappear, but at what real cost?
I would much rather continue to pay the license fee (which I feel is good value for money) rather than putting up with adverts and second rate presenters.


Nobody wants to see adverts on the BBC but there's absolutely no reason that individual programmes couldn't be sponsored in a very discreet way and you'd have more sympathy for them if they put a stop to this farce of them having up to seven different reporters, correspondents and crews covering the same story.

And then we have the farce of the licence fee that they continue to persist with paying an external company 4 times what they bring in chasing up the people who forget/won't pay and that's before we even get to the fact that they blatantly tell lies about the legal position in that if you refuse access to your premises there is absolutely nothing they can do.

The simple answer is to put the cost of the tv licence onto a properties council tax/business rates on a default basis where they assume every property has a tv and if you don't you have to prove it [ and that shouldn't be about not having a set but about not having a connection ] then let the local council administrator and enforce the system [ why pay money out to a private company when it could be paid to your council to subsidise local services ] it's said doing this could increase the net take by about 30%

And then we arrive at my favourite bugbear with the BBC in the number of people they have in what are simply bloody ridiculous jobs like HR Health and safety and absolute crap stuff like equality etc etc God knows how much that would save.

Finally, we have the presenter salaries it quite simple really the boss of each programme decides what the salary will be for say the presenter and pundit positions and they then offer that money to whoever they think is best suited and if they don't feel able to accept it you move on and offer it to the next suited guy. People like Linker would soon discover there are only so many jobs to go round at Sky. He is supposedly on 10 times the salary of Mark Chapman but does anybody possibly think the programme is 10 time better when Linker is on as opposed to Chapman.

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12 Mar 2020 08:22 #11 by NORTHERNSOUL

Bluedazblue wrote: I'm not a big fan of Alan Green to be honest, a bit too strident - 'I know it all' - for my liking.

As I understand it the reason for these dismissals is that BBC 5 Live doesn't believe that these presenters appeal to the target demographic, i.e. younger, racially diverse, female audiences.


That's the point they shouldn't be pandering to " Diverse Audiences" they should be serving the majority White British Male audience.

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12 Mar 2020 08:29 #12 by NORTHERNSOUL

Dancingbear wrote:

Dentonholmersimpson wrote: Going to bring a whole lot of shit on me but, apart from Jacqie Oatley, who is a pioneer in her field, the rest of the female commentators are just filling a pc gap,


I don’t really mind a lot of women commentators but that Vicky Sparks is bloody woeful. I usually knock it off if she’s on.


I switch off any football programme that has a female as a pundit.

What the hell do they know about the Male Professional game? when at best they might have played in a hugely subsidised female league in front of a couple of hundred screaming pre-pubescent girls.

I.m bloody certain I know more about and am better qualified to comment on British lower league football than any female pundit I .ve ever seen on the BBC.

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12 Mar 2020 09:49 #13 by Zebby
Too male,too white and straight for the BBC...

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12 Mar 2020 09:59 #14 by cousinscotty
W1A - sums Aunty Beeb up to a tee...
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12 Mar 2020 10:03 #15 by CarlisleWhite
Radio 5 business plan seems to be getting younger presenters to try and increase the share of the younger market. Not going to happen. They should be concentrating on their core market of 30/40+ age group.
And it's still far too right on in terms of the presenters (I switch off Nicky Campbell, Arthanayake, etc). Like Childs, Barnett, Livesy, but the rest are BBC autotrons.
NS - BBC already have adverts, they advertise their own programmes between programmes.
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12 Mar 2020 10:05 #16 by topstepwhinger
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I don't know what it is with female football commentators and pundits, but they all seem to be b****y awful.
Vicky Sparks has to have the most annoying voice and the worst commentator out there.
To be fair there are some really annoying male pundits - Martin Keown, Micah Richards to name but two.
Yet, when it comes to other sports there are plenty of examples of very good pundits/presenters. I think people like Clare Balding, Gabby Logan and Denise Lewis are excellent when covering the Olympics and the likes, so what is it about football that just makes it seem so wrong. I remember (though I am trying to forget it) the woman's world cup - the pundits were almost as bad as the football!
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12 Mar 2020 10:45 #17 by topstepwhinger
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Special mention to Sue Barker.
Very knowledgeable, articulate and likeable.

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12 Mar 2020 12:42 #18 by deepfathom
Totally agree MRF and totally agree with you too CarlisleWhite. I turn off Nicky Campbell, Arthanayake too, but Chiles and Emma Barnett are very good.

They also cancelled the best programme on Radio 5 Live too 'Sports Week' with Gary Richardson on a Sunday morning. He always managed to get to interview the top people in sport and sports adminsration and had 'firm but fair' interviews.

Apparently it is all about obtaining a younger age demographic of listener. The new presenters migh improve I suppose, but at the moment they are un-listenable.
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12 Mar 2020 13:06 #19 by bluebry

Bluedazblue wrote: I'm not a big fan of Alan Green to be honest, a bit too strident - 'I know it all' - for my liking.

As I understand it the reason for these dismissals is that BBC 5 Live doesn't believe that these presenters appeal to the target demographic, i.e. younger, racially diverse, female audiences.


'I know it all'
mmmmm,
sounds like someone on here.

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12 Mar 2020 14:37 #20 by Graemehud
Slightly off topic, Robert Peston irritates the life out of me. Goes off at 100 mile an hour, takes deep breaths and then talks really really slowly.
I got really wound up the other day when he was stood outside no.10 telling us it was worse than the crash of 2008/09, full on doom and gloom. He gave no reasoned argument or justification, I don’t believe he is an economist. It was HIS opinion.
I don’t want reporters to be opinionated on a topic, I want the news.
The government would do well to have a word with these doom mongers, they aren’t helping to quell people’s fears.
It’s Brexit 2 with coronavirus. The doom mongers got it totally wrong on Brexit (Unless of course Coronavirus was caused by Brexit).

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12 Mar 2020 14:55 #21 by Bluedazblue
Peston speaks like that because he's got a voice impediment I believe, a stammer. He can only control it by speeding up and slowing down his voice.

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12 Mar 2020 15:04 #22 by ParcelPete
His surname is to much like Preston which is reason enough to dislike him.
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12 Mar 2020 15:10 #23 by Wukkie
Vicki Sparks sounds like a pre-pubescent over excited boy to me.

Just awful.
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12 Mar 2020 17:50 #24 by Bluedazblue

Zebby wrote: Too male,too white and straight for the BBC...


I'm sure I heard recently that the BBC had dropped The Hairy Bikers. Probably for the same reason.

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12 Mar 2020 19:01 #25 by CCU

Bluedazblue wrote:

Zebby wrote: Too male,too white and straight for the BBC...


I'm sure I heard recently that the BBC had dropped The Hairy Bikers. Probably for the same reason.


Poached by Ch5:

deadline.com/2019/11/channel-5-raids-bbc...show-1202790583/amp/

www.channel5.com/show/the-hairy-bikers-chocolate-challenge/

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12 Mar 2020 21:26 #26 by Mouldy
Yeah I read that article too MRF. Sort of see why it’s happening but never nice to see stalwarts moved on

all views my own

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12 Mar 2020 21:54 #27 by harraby exile
Completely agree. Glad I am not the only one who thinks like this. I much prefer the commentary on TalkSPORT, in fact just listening to the Wolves game on there now.

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12 Mar 2020 21:55 #28 by harraby exile
Sorry, this was a reply to Northern Soul above.

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13 Mar 2020 07:04 #29 by kells
I personally don’t like the BBC. Cancelled my TV licence months ago. No funds from me.

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13 Mar 2020 10:24 #30 by newcarlislefan
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I find 5Live almost unlistenable nowadays, particularly away from the commentaries and I feel like wandered into a South London pub half the time when it's on.
I just don't get Robbie Savage, Chris Sutton and those young lads on Saturdays and Sundays who appear, I think, to be talking about football. Why are they always laughing?
It's got to the stage now with 5Live when I'd prefer to go back to the days when it was on R2 and the reception went in and out, you you'd get half a live game and you'd need to change radio stations to carry on listening.
Not being able to listen to Mike Ingham, James Alexander Gordon and Jimmy Armfield anymore marked the end of the golden era for me.
Mike Ingham is one of the only ones to get close to Peter Jones and Byron Butler and I can't think of 70s football without hearing their voices.
For me Jones was the finest ever football commentator and commentator almost seems too demeaning a word to describe him. It's a famous clip, and a tough listen, but the Hillsborough coverage and "the sun shines now" line is for one for the ages.
I think Alan Green actually describing a goal can still send a shiver but I can't say I like his overall commentary and opinions at all.
There's no reason why R5Live couldn't throw up another Jones, Ingham or Butler and of the current crop I like John Murray but you wonder if anyone of their calibre will come through again.
Radio have tried their hardest to knacker TMS as well and gave it the 5Live treatment a few years back.
I went to a test at Edgbaston years ago and Henry Blofeld was doing a lunchtime talk. I think he spoke for 30 minutes, clearly already well oiled, had a couple of glasses of something fizzy before running through a series of superb anecdotes.
The one I remember was of John Arlott. On Blofeld's first day on TMS, he arrived early. Arlott turned up with a briefcase and put it on the desk. Blowers was anxious and thought, "blimey, I've come with nothing and Arlott has come with detailed notes and reports." Feeling he had really gotten off on the wrong foot he was about to apologise when Arlott opened up the briefcase and pulled out a couple of bottles of claret.
"A drink, dear boy?"
Some call it progress but I can't help feeling at times we lose more than we gain.
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13 Mar 2020 13:21 #31 by Flatcap
Away from sport with the increase in the number of female staff the content is now more focused on women's problems, health, and young children and babies.

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13 Mar 2020 16:32 #32 by HuntingHorn
Stopped listening to 5Live after Graham Taylor died, he was the last knowledgable and listenable pundit/expert they had.
I really enjoyed his calm approach to telling the inside story on how things work, he was very good at it and his voice on radio was good too.

I don't mind Eilidh Barbour, although occasionally she gets a bit snarky, forgive her that though because she's ultra tidy.

It's better to be silent and assumed a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
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13 Mar 2020 18:29 #33 by CCU
Agreed, Taylor was excellent on Radio, also a thoroughly decent bloke to talk to off-air...

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13 Mar 2020 18:45 #34 by thetashkentterror
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He was in Waterstone's once as a customer on a holiday to the Lakes, and was very nice, happy for photos and that with people.

As for the Hairy Bikers, they did a book signing once, the taller one was a total arse, the smaller bloke was fine.

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13 Mar 2020 18:48 #35 by Mush

thetashkentterror wrote: He was in Waterstone's once as a customer on a holiday to the Lakes, and was very nice, happy for photos and that with people.

As for the Hairy Bikers, they did a book signing once, the taller one was a total arse, the smaller bloke was fine.


A hairy arser eh Tashy?!
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13 Mar 2020 19:11 #36 by melbourneblues
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A really lovely bloke Graham Taylor, was really sad to hear him talking about how much the Sun ridiculing him depicting him as a turnip hurt him and his family. Shocking behaviour towards a thoroughly nice bloke.

Mullen is a virgin.
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