Coronavirus - Football Matters

More
27 Mar 2020 17:42 #201 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
27 Mar 2020 20:13 #202 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - it is wage deferal the players are taking, not wage cuts.
How can the club claim furlough for wage deferals. It's clearly an abuse of the intentions of the scheme.
Players can have mortgage holidays like everyone else to reduce their outgoings, so am afraid this is just wrong.
If the begging bowl is to come out, it should be the FA, the EFL or the Premier League stumping up.
No sign of the highest paid union official in the world taking a pay cut I see.


CW I.m not sure whether you're talking about Leeds or Carlisle

If it's Carlisle then you're wrong as the Telegraph says the document they've seen reads

In correspondence seen by the Daily Telegraph, Carlisle United have informed players they will be treated as a “furloughed employee”. Players at the League Two club have been assured that it will not affect their contracted payments and full salaries will be paid on normal dates. Carlisle told players: “Once the club is able to reopen and begin functioning normally once again, your status as a furloughed employee will end and you will return to work”.

Which makes it pretty clear that CUFC.s plan is to pay the players in full on the due date taking advantage of the £2500 a month subsidy that's on offer from Boris.

I don't disagree with you about who should be supporting the players and their clubs as I made clear further up the thread but if lower league footballers are entitled to be claimed for then I see no issue in doing that especially if it keeps clubs from going bust which even this subsidy might not stop in some cases where they have owners who simply can't afford to fund the wages and would simply throw the keys back and walk away to concentrate on saving their primary businesses

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
27 Mar 2020 20:18 #203 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

Wukkie wrote: Reds are 10 points clear at the summit of the North West table with seven games remaining and yet the season is null and void.

Absolute joke when the division has been three-quarters played.


I wouldn't worry about it boys there will be plenty of clubs above them who won't still be around when the footy starts back and the places in the leagues above will have to be filled from somewhere and despite their location i.d say Reds would be welcomed back at the higher level with open arms

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
27 Mar 2020 20:24 #204 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
I don’t think you’d be entitled to money from the job retention scheme if you are laid off on full pay (paid on time).

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
27 Mar 2020 20:36 #205 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CCU wrote:

thetashkentterror wrote: The team ten points behind have three games in hand.


And the team in 4th have 6 games in hand and a 19pt gap. Not impossible...


But pretty much accepted that if they are forced by those above them to promote clubs it will be done on the basis of PPG and on that basis I believe that Workington are still top so the arguments about teams with games in hand are totally irrelevant.

The FA Should just come out now and say no leagues will be completed but they are deemed to be completed and final places decided on the basis of PPG.

The PL should then promote the top two in League one and run with 22 teams next season, not an issue as there will be a lot of spare European dates next year. But not relegate anyone and then carry this on down the leagues [ except lge 1 where an extra club would be promoted to replace Bury ] and so on down the leagues.

This would kill off the gripes of 90% of those currently threatening action and leave the case of any club who took it forward on very dodgy ground given that the FA and the leagues concerned could claim to have acted in the fairest way possible.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 04:50 #206 by Urban Designer
Replied by Urban Designer on topic What should happen to the football season?
Still think football will be resuming April 30th?

Apparently the Premier League, EFL and Professional Footballers' Association think it's a difficult decision! - tick tock.

Finish the league next spring if we a lucky.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 10:24 #207 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - it is wage deferal the players are taking, not wage cuts.
How can the club claim furlough for wage deferals. It's clearly an abuse of the intentions of the scheme.
Players can have mortgage holidays like everyone else to reduce their outgoings, so am afraid this is just wrong.
If the begging bowl is to come out, it should be the FA, the EFL or the Premier League stumping up.
No sign of the highest paid union official in the world taking a pay cut I see.


CW I.m not sure whether you're talking about Leeds or Carlisle

If it's Carlisle then you're wrong as the Telegraph says the document they've seen reads

In correspondence seen by the Daily Telegraph, Carlisle United have informed players they will be treated as a “furloughed employee”. Players at the League Two club have been assured that it will not affect their contracted payments and full salaries will be paid on normal dates. Carlisle told players: “Once the club is able to reopen and begin functioning normally once again, your status as a furloughed employee will end and you will return to work”.

Which makes it pretty clear that CUFC.s plan is to pay the players in full on the due date taking advantage of the £2500 a month subsidy that's on offer from Boris.

I don't disagree with you about who should be supporting the players and their clubs as I made clear further up the thread but if lower league footballers are entitled to be claimed for then I see no issue in doing that especially if it keeps clubs from going bust which even this subsidy might not stop in some cases where they have owners who simply can't afford to fund the wages and would simply throw the keys back and walk away to concentrate on saving their primary businesses

NS - yes, was on about Carlisle.
Furlough scheme is for people who are laid off as club cannot afford to pay them and would otherwise lose their jobs. This is not what Carlisle are doing as far as I can see. Players at other clubs are having wages deferred by agreement, as the PFA would not let them take pay cuts anyway, so assume this is what is happening at Carlisle.
If they have found some loophole, it is still a pretty low deed to be doing in the current circumstances. Then again, what do we expect from these jokers.
Don't get the love in with Clibbins by the way. Just like they use him as a shield, he is hiding behind carrying out their instructions.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 10:25 #208 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic What should happen to the football season?

Urban Designer wrote: Still think football will be resuming April 30th?

Apparently the Premier League, EFL and Professional Footballers' Association think it's a difficult decision! - tick tock.

Finish the league next spring if we a lucky.

Mid May to early June I'd say.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 10:29 #209 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic What should happen to the football season?
There’s not a hope in hell in playing in mid May.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 10:46 #210 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic What should happen to the football season?
Bristol Rovers just announced they are £24m in debt.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 10:52 - 28 Mar 2020 11:10 #211 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

nobbyblue wrote: Bristol Rovers just announced they are £24m in debt.


And Colchester owe their owners £25m!

Madness...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
Last edit: 28 Mar 2020 11:10 by CCU.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 11:15 #212 by Dancingbear
Replied by Dancingbear on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Do these lot know you only need to put a extra £500k in and you get promotion?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
The following user(s) Liked this post:: ParcelPete, markredfox73

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 12:39 #213 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic What should happen to the football season?

nobbyblue wrote: There’s not a hope in hell in playing in mid May.

You might be right Nobby. Peak now predicted for w/c 12th April, so not beyond the realms of possiblity, but June more likely.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 12:53 #214 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic What should happen to the football season?
There’ll be no football this side of August.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 13:02 #215 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic What should happen to the football season?
We’d have to be Covid19 free and with no chance of it returning before players could even return to training I would think.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 13:50 #216 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Really surprising how few footballers have got/had it.
I think the first games (maybe half the remaining games) will be behind clsoed doors.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 13:56 #217 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Eight West Ham have symptoms.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 16:02 #218 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote: Really surprising how few footballers have got/had it.
I think the first games (maybe half the remaining games) will be behind clsoed doors.


I don't understand why clubs don't just do everything they can to make sure their players get it asap then after ten days they could have them in every day as normal .

But from an e.mail I .ve I .ve heard about from an employee of a club, not a million miles from here after yesterdays video conference the PL/FL apparently have a plan based around 5 scenarios and they are currently devising an action plan for each of them. Number one is called early start and suggests being able to restart the league around Aug 1st playing the remaining games over a 5/6 week period. then taking a 4/5 week break in lieu of a pre-season and then starting the 20/21 season around mid-October. I don't think they have a cat in hells chance.

And then this morning there is news of a letter sent to the PL and signed by supposedly 9 clubs [ most of the smaller ones and inc all the current bottom 5 ] calling on the PL/FL/FA to cancel the rest of the season Appoint Liverpool as champions and cancel relegation by whatever means they believe best. They also say they have no objection to running the PL with two extra teams next season on the assumption that there will be no league or fa cup or European competitions.

Assuming Liverpool would also be willing to put their name to it and they're not a million miles away from getting to the point where they would have the numbers to direct the PL board to make it happen. And as EUFA have supposedly said there will be no European club tournaments before Aug 21 i.d say it doesn't really make any difference to anybody but the couple of clubs who might think LFC would self destruct between now and being awarded the title.

Seems a sensible way forward to me. a damm sight more so than thinking they have a cat in hells chance of restarting by Aug 1st.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
28 Mar 2020 16:31 #219 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - it is wage deferal the players are taking, not wage cuts.
How can the club claim furlough for wage deferals. It's clearly an abuse of the intentions of the scheme.
Players can have mortgage holidays like everyone else to reduce their outgoings, so am afraid this is just wrong.
If the begging bowl is to come out, it should be the FA, the EFL or the Premier League stumping up.
No sign of the highest paid union official in the world taking a pay cut I see.


CW I.m not sure whether you're talking about Leeds or Carlisle

If it's Carlisle then you're wrong as the Telegraph says the document they've seen reads

In correspondence seen by the Daily Telegraph, Carlisle United have informed players they will be treated as a “furloughed employee”. Players at the League Two club have been assured that it will not affect their contracted payments and full salaries will be paid on normal dates. Carlisle told players: “Once the club is able to reopen and begin functioning normally once again, your status as a furloughed employee will end and you will return to work”.

Which makes it pretty clear that CUFC.s plan is to pay the players in full on the due date taking advantage of the £2500 a month subsidy that's on offer from Boris.

I don't disagree with you about who should be supporting the players and their clubs as I made clear further up the thread but if lower league footballers are entitled to be claimed for then I see no issue in doing that especially if it keeps clubs from going bust which even this subsidy might not stop in some cases where they have owners who simply can't afford to fund the wages and would simply throw the keys back and walk away to concentrate on saving their primary businesses

NS - yes, was on about Carlisle.
Furlough scheme is for people who are laid off as club cannot afford to pay them and would otherwise lose their jobs. This is not what Carlisle are doing as far as I can see. Players at other clubs are having wages deferred by agreement, as the PFA would not let them take pay cuts anyway, so assume this is what is happening at Carlisle.
If they have found some loophole, it is still a pretty low deed to be doing in the current circumstances. Then again, what do we expect from these jokers.
Don't get the love in with Clibbins by the way. Just like they use him as a shield, he is hiding behind carrying out their instructions.


Then i.m not sure that i.m following you

I think you need to read details of the scheme and how it will work that I posted on the other thread yesterday.

What do you think the club would have had to have found a loophole in ? Why do you think the document that The Telegraph has seen is incorrect as regards Carlisle ?

To me, you're looking at this from a Leeds United perspective and not a League Two one where several other clubs have already said they've entered their entire staffs both playing and non-playing onto the furlough scheme locally both Morecambe and Accrington for instance.

People being put on the scheme do NOT have to be in imminent danger of losing their jobs but in any case, I would argue that every player in Lge one and two is in danger of losing their jobs because as it stands with the recent money from the FL most have reserves that will see them no further than the end of April and certainly NOT till the end of June when a lot of the player contracts would expire In other words they would have no cash to pay the wages due at the end of May June and July.

The current PFA advice to players on less than 5k [ and most definitely to those who have contracts that end in June ] a week is to NOT accept deferments as they feel it's highly unlikely that these sums would ever be paid and they don't believe the PFA could help to recover them in the future as the FA, the clubs and the league would just close ranks against then.

I can see your objections to people on high wages being allowed on the scheme but from what I can see it certainly doesn't exclude people earning up to 5k a week the point in question up to yesterday was would you be able to use it for people on what are essentially fixed-term contracts but the clarification yesterday made it clear that wasn't an issue and would be allowed.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
29 Mar 2020 12:05 #220 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - it is wage deferal the players are taking, not wage cuts.
How can the club claim furlough for wage deferals. It's clearly an abuse of the intentions of the scheme.
Players can have mortgage holidays like everyone else to reduce their outgoings, so am afraid this is just wrong.
If the begging bowl is to come out, it should be the FA, the EFL or the Premier League stumping up.
No sign of the highest paid union official in the world taking a pay cut I see.


CW I.m not sure whether you're talking about Leeds or Carlisle

If it's Carlisle then you're wrong as the Telegraph says the document they've seen reads

In correspondence seen by the Daily Telegraph, Carlisle United have informed players they will be treated as a “furloughed employee”. Players at the League Two club have been assured that it will not affect their contracted payments and full salaries will be paid on normal dates. Carlisle told players: “Once the club is able to reopen and begin functioning normally once again, your status as a furloughed employee will end and you will return to work”.

Which makes it pretty clear that CUFC.s plan is to pay the players in full on the due date taking advantage of the £2500 a month subsidy that's on offer from Boris.

I don't disagree with you about who should be supporting the players and their clubs as I made clear further up the thread but if lower league footballers are entitled to be claimed for then I see no issue in doing that especially if it keeps clubs from going bust which even this subsidy might not stop in some cases where they have owners who simply can't afford to fund the wages and would simply throw the keys back and walk away to concentrate on saving their primary businesses

NS - yes, was on about Carlisle.
Furlough scheme is for people who are laid off as club cannot afford to pay them and would otherwise lose their jobs. This is not what Carlisle are doing as far as I can see. Players at other clubs are having wages deferred by agreement, as the PFA would not let them take pay cuts anyway, so assume this is what is happening at Carlisle.
If they have found some loophole, it is still a pretty low deed to be doing in the current circumstances. Then again, what do we expect from these jokers.
Don't get the love in with Clibbins by the way. Just like they use him as a shield, he is hiding behind carrying out their instructions.


Then i.m not sure that i.m following you

I think you need to read details of the scheme and how it will work that I posted on the other thread yesterday.

What do you think the club would have had to have found a loophole in ? Why do you think the document that The Telegraph has seen is incorrect as regards Carlisle ?

To me, you're looking at this from a Leeds United perspective and not a League Two one where several other clubs have already said they've entered their entire staffs both playing and non-playing onto the furlough scheme locally both Morecambe and Accrington for instance.

People being put on the scheme do NOT have to be in imminent danger of losing their jobs but in any case, I would argue that every player in Lge one and two is in danger of losing their jobs because as it stands with the recent money from the FL most have reserves that will see them no further than the end of April and certainly NOT till the end of June when a lot of the player contracts would expire In other words they would have no cash to pay the wages due at the end of May June and July.

The current PFA advice to players on less than 5k [ and most definitely to those who have contracts that end in June ] a week is to NOT accept deferments as they feel it's highly unlikely that these sums would ever be paid and they don't believe the PFA could help to recover them in the future as the FA, the clubs and the league would just close ranks against then.

I can see your objections to people on high wages being allowed on the scheme but from what I can see it certainly doesn't exclude people earning up to 5k a week the point in question up to yesterday was would you be able to use it for people on what are essentially fixed-term contracts but the clarification yesterday made it clear that wasn't an issue and would be allowed.

You could be right NS, but my understanding (I have a family member who is on it and who the Mrs works for has sent some employees home on 80% pay) is that it applies to people who have been laid off, as they would otherwise have been made redundant or sent home without pay.
All footballers are having a wage deferral, not being paid off, and not having wages reduced. They are just getting paid later.
What am I missing - not that it's that important as things stand. Just think it's the prem who should be stumping up for this, not the country when there are far more important things for the country to be payin for.
The following user(s) Liked this post:: a66blue

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
29 Mar 2020 14:38 #221 by Wukkie
Replied by Wukkie on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
If there was no relegation I'd like to see all the millions which usually gets paid for parachute payments spread throughout the pyramid.

It won't happen though, more likely the bottom five teams will haggling over who gets the largest share.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
29 Mar 2020 14:51 #222 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

Wukkie wrote: If there was no relegation I'd like to see all the millions which usually gets paid for parachute payments spread throughout the pyramid.

It won't happen though, more likely the bottom five teams will haggling over who gets the largest share.

It's a good point wukkie.
If there is no relegation, each team will have four more games, so increased income.
Even if parachute payments aren't affected, there is scope for subsidies to lower leagues.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
29 Mar 2020 18:44 #223 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - it is wage deferal the players are taking, not wage cuts.
How can the club claim furlough for wage deferals. It's clearly an abuse of the intentions of the scheme.
Players can have mortgage holidays like everyone else to reduce their outgoings, so am afraid this is just wrong.
If the begging bowl is to come out, it should be the FA, the EFL or the Premier League stumping up.
No sign of the highest paid union official in the world taking a pay cut I see.


CW I.m not sure whether you're talking about Leeds or Carlisle

If it's Carlisle then you're wrong as the Telegraph says the document they've seen reads

In correspondence seen by the Daily Telegraph, Carlisle United have informed players they will be treated as a “furloughed employee”. Players at the League Two club have been assured that it will not affect their contracted payments and full salaries will be paid on normal dates. Carlisle told players: “Once the club is able to reopen and begin functioning normally once again, your status as a furloughed employee will end and you will return to work”.

Which makes it pretty clear that CUFC.s plan is to pay the players in full on the due date taking advantage of the £2500 a month subsidy that's on offer from Boris.

I don't disagree with you about who should be supporting the players and their clubs as I made clear further up the thread but if lower league footballers are entitled to be claimed for then I see no issue in doing that especially if it keeps clubs from going bust which even this subsidy might not stop in some cases where they have owners who simply can't afford to fund the wages and would simply throw the keys back and walk away to concentrate on saving their primary businesses

NS - yes, was on about Carlisle.
Furlough scheme is for people who are laid off as club cannot afford to pay them and would otherwise lose their jobs. This is not what Carlisle are doing as far as I can see. Players at other clubs are having wages deferred by agreement, as the PFA would not let them take pay cuts anyway, so assume this is what is happening at Carlisle.
If they have found some loophole, it is still a pretty low deed to be doing in the current circumstances. Then again, what do we expect from these jokers.
Don't get the love in with Clibbins by the way. Just like they use him as a shield, he is hiding behind carrying out their instructions.


Then i.m not sure that i.m following you

I think you need to read details of the scheme and how it will work that I posted on the other thread yesterday.

What do you think the club would have had to have found a loophole in ? Why do you think the document that The Telegraph has seen is incorrect as regards Carlisle ?

To me, you're looking at this from a Leeds United perspective and not a League Two one where several other clubs have already said they've entered their entire staffs both playing and non-playing onto the furlough scheme locally both Morecambe and Accrington for instance.

People being put on the scheme do NOT have to be in imminent danger of losing their jobs but in any case, I would argue that every player in Lge one and two is in danger of losing their jobs because as it stands with the recent money from the FL most have reserves that will see them no further than the end of April and certainly NOT till the end of June when a lot of the player contracts would expire In other words they would have no cash to pay the wages due at the end of May June and July.

The current PFA advice to players on less than 5k [ and most definitely to those who have contracts that end in June ] a week is to NOT accept deferments as they feel it's highly unlikely that these sums would ever be paid and they don't believe the PFA could help to recover them in the future as the FA, the clubs and the league would just close ranks against then.

I can see your objections to people on high wages being allowed on the scheme but from what I can see it certainly doesn't exclude people earning up to 5k a week the point in question up to yesterday was would you be able to use it for people on what are essentially fixed-term contracts but the clarification yesterday made it clear that wasn't an issue and would be allowed.

You could be right NS, but my understanding (I have a family member who is on it and who the Mrs works for has sent some employees home on 80% pay) is that it applies to people who have been laid off, as they would otherwise have been made redundant or sent home without pay.
All footballers are having a wage deferral, not being paid off, and not having wages reduced. They are just getting paid later.
What am I missing - not that it's that important as things stand. Just think it's the prem who should be stumping up for this, not the country when there are far more important things for the country to be payin for.



I don't disagree with you that its the PL who should be a doing a damm site more but as I understand it they're shitting themselves because Sky and BT have clauses that would allow them to break their contracts without penalty if they wanted to get out of the current deal [ or even cancel and renegotiate it ] and that's why they're carrying on with the restarting crap which is why they won't change track until they get some sort of clarification of what the TV companies position is and what they intend to do.

I think it's pretty clear now that players will be eligible to be furloughed as the rules seem to be very open and not to exclude anybody wether the company employing them is in difficulties or not and they can use the scheme simply on the basis that the business can no longer operate under the self-distancing regulations and really the only condition is that once you're on the scheme you're not allowed to take part in any activity that would benefit the employer financially so keeping themselves fit at home even with the assistance of the fitness coach [ furloughing the fitness coach probably would be an issue tho ]

As I said earlier the advice to players from the PFA is for players earning less than 5k a week not to accept deferrals as they seriously doubt that the clubs would ever be in a position to repay them and if the club's, leagues and fa all conspired together it would be impossible to recover the money in the future other than by suing the clubs [ This especially applies to players who.s contracts expire in June ].

As for the situation at CUFC that info from the Telegraph comes from an e.mail sent from the club to the players at the end of last week in response to a request from the players to be told what's happening as unlike players at other clubs they've been kept in the dark since they were stood down. There's currently a mad scramble going on amongst the footy journos to find a club who will admit they've put in an application to furlough their players if you read the Morecambe article they're quite open that they are well down that line.

The thinking amongst clubs seems to be they see furloughing as a better option than deferring as they realise that they will have spent money getting thru this crisis that should be for getting thru to next season but that doesn't mean that they won't be asking players to take a hit on what they're due over and above the govt furlough money as under the scheme they would be entitled not to top it up at all but what happens there is going to be determined by whatever stance the PFA FL and FA adopt over it which is why I guess clubs are holding off making a decision on it till things become a bit clearer which is why the journos are paying it a fair bit of attention.
The following user(s) Liked this post:: CarlisleWhite

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
29 Mar 2020 21:57 #224 by Flatcap
Replied by Flatcap on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
From what was said today at the government briefing that it looks as though next season won't start before October at the earliest.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
29 Mar 2020 22:17 #225 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

Flatcap wrote: From what was said today at the government briefing that it looks as though next season won't start before October at the earliest.


This.

Not a chance a few unplayed matches will take priority over plenty of other stuff...

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • thetashkentterror
  • Offline
  • Bench Warmer
  • Bench Warmer
More
29 Mar 2020 23:17 #226 by thetashkentterror
Replied by thetashkentterror on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Article in the Independent saying that they are on about playing Premier League games in June and July behind closed doors at training bases with players and staff staying in closed off hotels.

Bananas.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
30 Mar 2020 05:57 #227 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

thetashkentterror wrote: Article in the Independent saying that they are on about playing Premier League games in June and July behind closed doors at training bases with players and staff staying in closed off hotels.

Bananas.


I think the independent has just made that up.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
30 Mar 2020 10:56 #228 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
NS - thanks for the reply.
Still don't see how they can get away with it, as players would have to be laid off unless I am missing something.
Don't forget players are secured creditors, so even going bust does not stop them getting paid, so why would they accept being laid off. Legal minefield with the contracts situation.
Suppose a blind eye will probably be turned.
Think it stinks to be honest.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
30 Mar 2020 10:59 #229 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

nobbyblue wrote:

thetashkentterror wrote: Article in the Independent saying that they are on about playing Premier League games in June and July behind closed doors at training bases with players and staff staying in closed off hotels.

Bananas.


I think the independent has just made that up.

Delaney is not a bullshit merchant as far as his history goes.
Much more likely someone flying a kite to see the response.
Not sure how it can be guarenteed players still won't get it in June, but suppose the plan is for peak next two weeks and toend of April, steady reduction in May. Seeme vary optimistic.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
30 Mar 2020 15:25 #230 by Wukkie
Replied by Wukkie on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Could the coronavirus bring the downfall of the Premier Lge. Wouldn't be such a bad thing. :-)

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
30 Mar 2020 15:42 #231 by 09sider
Replied by 09sider on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
On a positive note, Dave's done a cracking job with the training pitch.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
31 Mar 2020 06:48 #232 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
31 Mar 2020 13:26 #233 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
NS - is it not that the club are going for furlough for the non-playing staff. Seems to be the way Bolton and Newcastle (really?) and others are going?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
31 Mar 2020 15:16 #234 by nobbyblue
Replied by nobbyblue on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Spurs are doing the same and that's with some of their players on £250k a week. That's not right.
The following user(s) Liked this post:: Alan

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
31 Mar 2020 15:16 #235 by heilkmoon
Replied by heilkmoon on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

thetashkentterror wrote: Article in the Independent saying that they are on about playing Premier League games in June and July behind closed doors at training bases with players and staff staying in closed off hotels.

Bananas.


It's difficult to see an exception made for football clubs ahead of other businesses - things would need to have improved to the point where gatherings of that size were being permitted elsewhere. It's not as if it's the only (or the poorest) industry facing problems.

Shoehorning a lot of games into a short space of time in a quarantined environment would also create an equally artificial outcome to cancelling the season or other options - and would be skewed in favour of bigger clubs with larger and better squads.

May as well get the pools panel to decide the remaining results.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
31 Mar 2020 16:28 #236 by CCU

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • topstepwhinger
  • Offline
  • Youth Team Player
  • Youth Team Player
More
31 Mar 2020 22:13 #237 by topstepwhinger
Replied by topstepwhinger on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

heilkmoon wrote:

thetashkentterror wrote: Article in the Independent saying that they are on about playing Premier League games in June and July behind closed doors at training bases with players and staff staying in closed off hotels.

Bananas.


It's difficult to see an exception made for football clubs ahead of other businesses - things would need to have improved to the point where gatherings of that size were being permitted elsewhere. It's not as if it's the only (or the poorest) industry facing problems.

Shoehorning a lot of games into a short space of time in a quarantined environment would also create an equally artificial outcome to cancelling the season or other options - and would be skewed in favour of bigger clubs with larger and better squads.

May as well get the pools panel to decide the remaining results.


The pools panel - now that's a blast from the past, and something I briefly thought about a couple of weeks ago.

I still think a solution based on the average points per match to date is the way to go.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
01 Apr 2020 05:27 #238 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - is it not that the club are going for furlough for the non-playing staff. Seems to be the way Bolton and Newcastle (really?) and others are going?


No the e.mail that the Telegraph saw was from the club to a first-team player in response to a request from him to the club for more information [presumably to trigger a request to be furloughed] had the club's intention been deferral or wage cuts but on this occasion, the club ere one step in front and it appears didn't wait for the players to request furloughing and did it off their own back.

See they still haven't announced what they've done formally yet but then again neither has any other club although both Accy and Morecambes owners have said that that's what theyve done.
The following user(s) Liked this post:: CarlisleWhite

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
01 Apr 2020 10:16 #239 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - is it not that the club are going for furlough for the non-playing staff. Seems to be the way Bolton and Newcastle (really?) and others are going?


No the e.mail that the Telegraph saw was from the club to a first-team player in response to a request from him to the club for more information [presumably to trigger a request to be furloughed] had the club's intention been deferral or wage cuts but on this occasion, the club ere one step in front and it appears didn't wait for the players to request furloughing and did it off their own back.

See they still haven't announced what they've done formally yet but then again neither has any other club although both Accy and Morecambes owners have said that that's what theyve done.

Okay, cheers. Still not sure how they could do it without players being laid off, but time will tell I suppose.
Awful look with the prem jumping on the furlough bit for non playing staff, especially spurs while the CEO takes £7M out.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
01 Apr 2020 16:26 #240 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - is it not that the club are going for furlough for the non-playing staff. Seems to be the way Bolton and Newcastle (really?) and others are going?


No the e.mail that the Telegraph saw was from the club to a first-team player in response to a request from him to the club for more information [presumably to trigger a request to be furloughed] had the club's intention been deferral or wage cuts but on this occasion, the club ere one step in front and it appears didn't wait for the players to request furloughing and did it off their own back.

See they still haven't announced what they've done formally yet but then again neither has any other club although both Accy and Morecambes owners have said that that's what theyve done.

Okay, cheers. Still not sure how they could do it without players being laid off, but time will tell I suppose.
Awful look with the prem jumping on the furlough bit for non playing staff, especially spurs while the CEO takes £7M out.


CW.......... I.m not sure you're getting furloughing, in general, you don't need to lay your employees off to make them eligible to be furloughed and the company itself can carry on functioning [ for instance a company with retail shops and an online sales site will have shut the shops down and furloughed those staff but can continue to operate its online operation with staff that are working as normal [ well as normal as possible ] for instance i.m pretty sure Dave Mitchell and his asst at CUFC haven't been furloughed

Basically all you do is tell HMRC the names and NI numbers of the staff that you wish to furlough [ they then come back to you to ask for certain earnings details ] and the only thing that's required is that they no longer take part in any activity which will generate income for the company they work for [ strangely enough they are allowed to take on other work so long as it is outside of their normal working hours So if a footballer who was furloughed wished to supplement his income there's nothing stopping him getting a job on the nightshift stocking shelves at Tescos and the pay he received for that wouldn't affect his main income that's now furloughed although he would pay tax and NI on both incomes.

I.m up to my neck in this because me and my Doris are currently claiming under 4 different schemes [ Furloughing. Self Employed furloughing [ as I earn both from profits and from PAYE as i.m also employed by my own company] The director scheme and to cap it all Universal Credit ] plus were dealing with a lot of the girls who work for us on a self-employed basis are asking us to help them with their claims for the self-employed scheme and their UC claims and an area under which the scheme is wrong is under the s/e scheme they're actually allowed to continue working and earning [ if they can get around the martial law restrictions of course.]

I can see where you're coming from about the PL side furloughing staff but the ones who are seem to be using it as a way of continuing to pay their casual matchday staff [ wheres Kessler ? when you need her or we could have found out if this is what CUFC are doing] which legally they don't have to do. But in Spurs case, I would imagine their 50m a year repayments on the new ground will have more to do with it that the CEO.s annual salary which i would imagine he wont be taking in full anyway.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
01 Apr 2020 17:03 #241 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Wimbledon, due to start on 29th June, is cancelled.

Zero chance the Premier League will be playing through June/July...


Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
02 Apr 2020 00:23 #242 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: NS - is it not that the club are going for furlough for the non-playing staff. Seems to be the way Bolton and Newcastle (really?) and others are going?


No the e.mail that the Telegraph saw was from the club to a first-team player in response to a request from him to the club for more information [presumably to trigger a request to be furloughed] had the club's intention been deferral or wage cuts but on this occasion, the club ere one step in front and it appears didn't wait for the players to request furloughing and did it off their own back.

See they still haven't announced what they've done formally yet but then again neither has any other club although both Accy and Morecambes owners have said that that's what theyve done.

Okay, cheers. Still not sure how they could do it without players being laid off, but time will tell I suppose.
Awful look with the prem jumping on the furlough bit for non playing staff, especially spurs while the CEO takes £7M out.


Plymouth becomes the first league club that I .ve seen to actually admit that they're furloughing their players.

www.pafc.co.uk/news/2020/april/club-statement/

CW............ Meant to stick this up for you earlier

rishisunak
@RishiSunak
·
Mar 30
We’ve published detailed guidance on furloughing and the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme.

For employers: gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-thr...job-retention-scheme

For employees: gov.uk/guidance/check-if-you-could-be-co...job-retention-scheme

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
02 Apr 2020 11:28 #243 by CarlisleWhite
Replied by CarlisleWhite on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
CW - not convinced on the point you make to be honest. Most of Pirelli staff have been furloughed, and they are not working so they can claim the 80%. Same with a few other other companies I know of.

Not a big deal in the current circumstances to be honest, but either way, shocking if the Premier League do not stump up for clubs down the leagues.
There must be a deal with the PFA in place if players end up being furloughed.
Gordon Taylor's silence on his ridiculous salary is just as criminal.

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
02 Apr 2020 17:07 #244 by Laffy
Replied by Laffy on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
White smoke appearing -I think the penny is dropping

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
02 Apr 2020 17:18 #245 by NORTHERNSOUL
Replied by NORTHERNSOUL on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

CarlisleWhite wrote: CW - not convinced on the point you make to be honest. Most of Pirelli staff have been furloughed, and they are not working so they can claim the 80%. Same with a few other other companies I know of.

Not a big deal in the current circumstances to be honest, but either way, shocking if the Premier League do not stump up for clubs down the leagues.
There must be a deal with the PFA in place if players end up being furloughed.
Gordon Taylor's silence on his ridiculous salary is just as criminal.


The reason you.ve hot heard from Taylor is that he's under lockdown but he.s been taking part in the video meetings that are being held every two days and they agreed at the start that the PL would put the statements out on behalf of PL FL NL PFA LMA and for certain things the FA which they are doing.

The PFA.s advice situation is very complicated and depends on the situation and earnings of the player concerned for instance the advice being given to a player whose contract ends on the 30th of June is very different to one with say 3 years still to run.

Yes, I think we all agree that the PL should be doing more to support the rest of the game but to say they are shitting themselves is a massive understatement. Basically the problem is if they don't finish this season Sky and BT are entitled to deduct money from what they owe them but at the same time they have no legal way of not paying the players and although they could probably live with that but if it went on till say the other side of Xmas not only would they have the money for those games deducted but it would also allow the TV companies to renegotiate the time remaining on the rest of the contract and I can't see them offering to pay more can you?

Burnley should be held up as an example here they paid all their staff in full for March and have committed to do the same again for April and that includes all the casual matchday staff and that's without furloughing anyone although they are reserving the right to do that if it proves to be the norm and is seen as the correct thing to do.

Its come out today that the PFA have been trying to do a deal with the PL players where they agree to take a 50% pay cut half of which will be retained by the club on the condition that they continue to pay all their staff inc casuals [ not sure where furloughing would come into that] and the other half will be used to create a fund to support the game further down and once again would be dependant on the PL contributing big style as well. Earlier in the week it looked like an agreement had been reached but apparently yesterday it all but fell apart. There is an announcement due in the next couple of days so I guess we.ll all just have to wait until then to find out where they are but really it looks like the PL need to put a monetary figure on how much they value being seen as an organisation who helped in the crisis or be seen as one who did nothing but help themselves.
The following user(s) Liked this post:: CarlisleWhite

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
02 Apr 2020 17:25 #246 by Laffy
Replied by Laffy on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
I’ve heard on the grapevine that Sky are asking for a big rebate-apologies if this has been mentioned before

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
02 Apr 2020 17:43 #247 by Tom
Replied by Tom on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
I hope that Pg knob at Port Vale is ok

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

  • thetashkentterror
  • Offline
  • Bench Warmer
  • Bench Warmer
More
03 Apr 2020 02:12 #248 by thetashkentterror
Replied by thetashkentterror on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Ng at Crewe?

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
03 Apr 2020 08:48 #249 by CCU
Replied by CCU on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters

Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

More
03 Apr 2020 11:26 #250 by Dancingbear
Replied by Dancingbear on topic Coronavirus - Football Matters
Im sure he'd be saying exactly the same if we were in the relegation places or a point or two off the playoffs. Tosser.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
The following user(s) Liked this post:: Waltero, nobbyblue, Wukkie, Bruntonpasty, CarlisleWhite

Please Log in or Create an account to join the conversation.

Time to create page: 0.693 seconds
Website and all content © Copyright 2020 TheCumbrians.net. All Rights Reserved.