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18 May 2020 14:13 #751 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

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18 May 2020 14:55 #752 by CarlisleWhite
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

Get the thrust of your point NS, but not sure I agree with it.
What was agreed on Friday was the L2 clubs preferences. It then has to go to the EFL board for approval, where they could (should and probably will) vote it down). Not sure where the PL fits in on this.
L1 had their own vote, and got nowhere as you say. McAnthont being the apparent driving force.
Thing is, time will over take all this. Parry has already said end of July is their deadline. The coordinated noises from the PL are it will only be safe to start at end of June now. Not enough time to complete and EFL leagues and have play offs in 4 weeks.

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18 May 2020 15:49 - 18 May 2020 16:19 #753 by bluebry
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18 May 2020 21:36 #754 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

Get the thrust of your point NS, but not sure I agree with it.
What was agreed on Friday was the L2 clubs preferences. It then has to go to the EFL board for approval, where they could (should and probably will) vote it down). Not sure where the PL fits in on this.
L1 had their own vote, and got nowhere as you say. McAnthont being the apparent driving force.
Thing is, time will over take all this. Parry has already said end of July is their deadline. The coordinated noises from the PL are it will only be safe to start at end of June now. Not enough time to complete and EFL leagues and have play offs in 4 weeks.


Out of interest which bit don't you agree with because I can assure you that's a pretty accurate summary of what went on coming directly from someone whose seen a recording of the whole 2 hours plus of the video meeting.

And I can tell you now Nixon doesn't come out of it smelling of Roses and I don't think he has a cat in hells chance of being re-elected as the league two rep next year because despite it looking like all was sweetness and light in effect it was anything but and without a number of people putting the good of the game and its fans before their own interests and i.m not just talking about Carol Shanahan here, you would have had a repeat of what went on with Lge One.

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18 May 2020 21:45 #755 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

Get the thrust of your point NS, but not sure I agree with it.
What was agreed on Friday was the L2 clubs preferences. It then has to go to the EFL board for approval, where they could (should and probably will) vote it down). Not sure where the PL fits in on this.
L1 had their own vote, and got nowhere as you say. McAnthont being the apparent driving force.
Thing is, time will over take all this. Parry has already said end of July is their deadline. The coordinated noises from the PL are it will only be safe to start at end of June now. Not enough time to complete and EFL leagues and have play offs in 4 weeks.


CW The bit that you don't seem to have taken in is that the Stevenage request from the clubs is in no way linked to the rest of the issues and the league will ratify the decisions made based around the club's preferences of their options and whatever the decision is about the Stevenage request and who makes that decision it has no bearing whatsoever on the rest of what was agreed and I understand what you posted previously about that request creating a precedent elsewhere has already been pointed out to the clubs over the weekend.

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19 May 2020 11:05 #756 by CarlisleWhite
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

Get the thrust of your point NS, but not sure I agree with it.
What was agreed on Friday was the L2 clubs preferences. It then has to go to the EFL board for approval, where they could (should and probably will) vote it down). Not sure where the PL fits in on this.
L1 had their own vote, and got nowhere as you say. McAnthont being the apparent driving force.
Thing is, time will over take all this. Parry has already said end of July is their deadline. The coordinated noises from the PL are it will only be safe to start at end of June now. Not enough time to complete and EFL leagues and have play offs in 4 weeks.


Out of interest which bit don't you agree with because I can assure you that's a pretty accurate summary of what went on coming directly from someone whose seen a recording of the whole 2 hours plus of the video meeting.

And I can tell you now Nixon doesn't come out of it smelling of Roses and I don't think he has a cat in hells chance of being re-elected as the league two rep next year because despite it looking like all was sweetness and light in effect it was anything but and without a number of people putting the good of the game and its fans before their own interests and i.m not just talking about Carol Shanahan here, you would have had a repeat of what went on with Lge One.

The bit about only the PL being no promotion was why they voted on it. Have a listen to the Ormstein and Chapman podcast from this morning. Apparently L1 vot was before the L2 vote, and the Championship clubs were on the phone to the EFL as soon as L2 announced what they wanted.
I don't think any club put the interests of the game first (including Shanahan, who actually said they could not afford the testing before everyone jumped on the good of the game line).
All clubs are in it for themselves. Interesting Hull now want the Championship voided. I wonder why.

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19 May 2020 11:39 #757 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

Get the thrust of your point NS, but not sure I agree with it.
What was agreed on Friday was the L2 clubs preferences. It then has to go to the EFL board for approval, where they could (should and probably will) vote it down). Not sure where the PL fits in on this.
L1 had their own vote, and got nowhere as you say. McAnthont being the apparent driving force.
Thing is, time will over take all this. Parry has already said end of July is their deadline. The coordinated noises from the PL are it will only be safe to start at end of June now. Not enough time to complete and EFL leagues and have play offs in 4 weeks.


Out of interest which bit don't you agree with because I can assure you that's a pretty accurate summary of what went on coming directly from someone whose seen a recording of the whole 2 hours plus of the video meeting.

And I can tell you now Nixon doesn't come out of it smelling of Roses and I don't think he has a cat in hells chance of being re-elected as the league two rep next year because despite it looking like all was sweetness and light in effect it was anything but and without a number of people putting the good of the game and its fans before their own interests and i.m not just talking about Carol Shanahan here, you would have had a repeat of what went on with Lge One.

The bit about only the PL being no promotion was why they voted on it. Have a listen to the Ormstein and Chapman podcast from this morning. Apparently L1 vot was before the L2 vote, and the Championship clubs were on the phone to the EFL as soon as L2 announced what they wanted.
I don't think any club put the interests of the game first (including Shanahan, who actually said they could not afford the testing before everyone jumped on the good of the game line).
All clubs are in it for themselves. Interesting Hull now want the Championship voided. I wonder why.


Not sure i.m following you about the PL

I gave up listening to so-called experts who talk to themselves a long time ago Christ they all spent the weekend pontificating on a throwaway remark having got the entirety of what had gone on completely wrong.

Heres the current state of play on league one

Sides that want to play on!
- Portsmouth
- Fleetwood
- Peterborough
- Sunderland
- Ipswich
- Gillingham (TBC)

Sides that want to end early!
-Coventry
- Rotherham
- Wycombe
- Burton
- Shrewsbury
- Accrington
- Rochdale
- Bristol Rovers (TBC)
- Lincoln City (TBC)

Sides that want to null and void!
- Southend

Sides that are undecided!
- Oxford (New Change)
- Doncaster
- Blackpool
- MK Dons (Will go with majority)
- AFC Wimbledon (will go with majority)
- Tranmere
- Bolton (will go with majority)

And they've now changed the majority needed to only 51% and simplified to options available for them to vote on

Scenario 1 - Season resumes behind closed doors! (Very unlikely as 51% of sides need to agree to it)
Scenario 2 - Season ends via PPG with top 2 up and then final spot decided by play offs (Most Likely)
Scenario 3 -Top 3 sides via normal PPG would be promoted with no play offs



And Andy Holt has told them whatever the vote Accy won't be restarting full stop.
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19 May 2020 12:27 #758 by baggieblue
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If this season was to be declared null and void will those clubs who were penalised points have those deductions suspended until the new season (when ever that maybe)?

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19 May 2020 13:06 #759 by CCU
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baggieblue wrote: If this season was to be declared null and void will those clubs who were penalised points have those deductions suspended until the new season (when ever that maybe)?


And don’t Macclesfield still have potential sanctions to come?

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19 May 2020 13:06 #760 by CCU
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19 May 2020 13:37 #761 by CarlisleWhite
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Grimsby saying they voted against no relegation.

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19 May 2020 16:41 #762 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote:

baggieblue wrote: If this season was to be declared null and void will those clubs who were penalised points have those deductions suspended until the new season (when ever that maybe)?


And don’t Macclesfield still have potential sanctions to come?


Yes, they do but it's also pretty certain that they.ll appeal the punishment for the Plymouth postponement which was caused by the SAG removing their safety certificate yet they offered 3 solutions to the problem in the days before the game including playing it behind closed doors so no certificate would be needed yet the FL refused to allow them to use any of the solutions so you could say it was the FL who caused the game to be called off and not MTFC.

It later conspired that Plymouth had cancelled their hotel as early as the Wednesday prior to the game despite it not officially being called off till the Friday morning the whole thing stinks.

Workington had a game called off in exactly the same circumstances yet they didn't receive as much as a slap on the wrist.

But the funny bit about this is the league have had it in for them all season so wouldn't it be funny if the league voted not to relegate the bottom club and then with all the penalties it meant Macc finished bottom and the FL would have saved them despite spending all season trying to make things difficult for them including imposing the previous points eduction which all but scuppered the sale of the club just before Xmas.

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19 May 2020 23:51 #764 by 09sider
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There be plenty of Brighton players reporting loss of smell and taste soon I bet.
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20 May 2020 00:09 #765 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote:

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CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

Get the thrust of your point NS, but not sure I agree with it.
What was agreed on Friday was the L2 clubs preferences. It then has to go to the EFL board for approval, where they could (should and probably will) vote it down). Not sure where the PL fits in on this.
L1 had their own vote, and got nowhere as you say. McAnthont being the apparent driving force.
Thing is, time will over take all this. Parry has already said end of July is their deadline. The coordinated noises from the PL are it will only be safe to start at end of June now. Not enough time to complete and EFL leagues and have play offs in 4 weeks.


Out of interest which bit don't you agree with because I can assure you that's a pretty accurate summary of what went on coming directly from someone whose seen a recording of the whole 2 hours plus of the video meeting.

And I can tell you now Nixon doesn't come out of it smelling of Roses and I don't think he has a cat in hells chance of being re-elected as the league two rep next year because despite it looking like all was sweetness and light in effect it was anything but and without a number of people putting the good of the game and its fans before their own interests and i.m not just talking about Carol Shanahan here, you would have had a repeat of what went on with Lge One.

The bit about only the PL being no promotion was why they voted on it. Have a listen to the Ormstein and Chapman podcast from this morning. Apparently L1 vot was before the L2 vote, and the Championship clubs were on the phone to the EFL as soon as L2 announced what they wanted.
I don't think any club put the interests of the game first (including Shanahan, who actually said they could not afford the testing before everyone jumped on the good of the game line).
All clubs are in it for themselves. Interesting Hull now want the Championship voided. I wonder why.


Not sure i.m following you about the PL

I gave up listening to so-called experts who talk to themselves a long time ago Christ they all spent the weekend pontificating on a throwaway remark having got the entirety of what had gone on completely wrong.

Heres the current state of play on league one

Sides that want to play on!
- Portsmouth
- Fleetwood
- Peterborough
- Sunderland
- Ipswich
- Gillingham (TBC)

Sides that want to end early!
-Coventry
- Rotherham
- Wycombe
- Burton
- Shrewsbury
- Accrington
- Rochdale
- Bristol Rovers (TBC)
- Lincoln City (TBC)

Sides that want to null and void!
- Southend

Sides that are undecided!
- Oxford (New Change)
- Doncaster
- Blackpool
- MK Dons (Will go with majority)
- AFC Wimbledon (will go with majority)
- Tranmere
- Bolton (will go with majority)

And they've now changed the majority needed to only 51% and simplified to options available for them to vote on

Scenario 1 - Season resumes behind closed doors! (Very unlikely as 51% of sides need to agree to it)
Scenario 2 - Season ends via PPG with top 2 up and then final spot decided by play offs (Most Likely)
Scenario 3 -Top 3 sides via normal PPG would be promoted with no play offs



And Andy Holt has told them whatever the vote Accy won't be restarting full stop.



A Scenario 4 option will be e.mailed to the division one clubs in the morning. Basically its Call the season now with Coventry and Rotherham promoted and an extended playoff comp for the next 8 clubs. The FL believe this will be enough to get 12 clubs to agree when they vote again on Friday

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20 May 2020 03:50 #766 by CCU
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Doubling the Play-Offs throws any integrity out the window. Barmy...

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20 May 2020 09:13 #767 by CarlisleWhite
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First of many in Spain I'd say. Malaga have no money now the Sheiks have stopped pumping money in, but even so, paying the players off is a drastic step.
www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/malaga...l-club-a4445241.html
Don't think it could happen here though. Spain's labour and football laws must permit it.

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20 May 2020 10:32 #768 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CarlisleWhite wrote: First of many in Spain I'd say. Malaga have no money now the Sheiks have stopped pumping money in, but even so, paying the players off is a drastic step.
www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/malaga...l-club-a4445241.html
Don't think it could happen here though. Spain's labour and football laws must permit it.


If the British players and the PFA had had their heads screwed on they'd of gone for contract suspension

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CarlisleWhite wrote: First of many in Spain I'd say. Malaga have no money now the Sheiks have stopped pumping money in, but even so, paying the players off is a drastic step.
www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/malaga...l-club-a4445241.html
Don't think it could happen here though. Spain's labour and football laws must permit it.


It’s Staff, not Players, according to my Malaga ST holding mate...

www.malagacf.com/en/news/malaga-cf-statement-9

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20 May 2020 10:52 #770 by CCU
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The B Team thing is still in the background:


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20 May 2020 12:22 #771 by CCU
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Salary Caps too:


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20 May 2020 12:30 #772 by Kessler
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CCU wrote: The B Team thing is still in the background:


Our fans were surveyed and 98% were against the B Team thing. The BOD then went and voted FOR it. And they wonder why people aren't falling over themselves at this latest opportunity to fork over cash and prop up the failed regime. Anyway I'll leave it there and pop back into exile. Only dropped by to answer Barry's question on another thread surprisingly. Hope you're all managing ok during current situation, whatever our disagreements I don't wish any ill on any of you.
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20 May 2020 12:44 #773 by CarlisleWhite
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CCU wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: First of many in Spain I'd say. Malaga have no money now the Sheiks have stopped pumping money in, but even so, paying the players off is a drastic step.
www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/malaga...l-club-a4445241.html
Don't think it could happen here though. Spain's labour and football laws must permit it.


It’s Staff, not Players, according to my Malaga ST holding mate...

www.malagacf.com/en/news/malaga-cf-statement-9

Can't see where it says that CCU. I got told about it from a malaguista.
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20 May 2020 12:45 #774 by CarlisleWhite
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CCU wrote: Salary Caps too:

German's seem to be angling for salary caps in the top division too.
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20 May 2020 14:54 #775 by CarlisleWhite
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CarlisleWhite wrote:

CCU wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: First of many in Spain I'd say. Malaga have no money now the Sheiks have stopped pumping money in, but even so, paying the players off is a drastic step.
www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/malaga...l-club-a4445241.html
Don't think it could happen here though. Spain's labour and football laws must permit it.


It’s Staff, not Players, according to my Malaga ST holding mate...

www.malagacf.com/en/news/malaga-cf-statement-9

Can't see where it says that CCU. I got told about it from a malaguista.
The Club announces that it has taken the decision to present an employment regulation file for the termination and/or suspension of employment contracts.

Defo includes players CCU - see David Maddock, Daily Mirror journo, on twitter

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CarlisleWhite wrote:

CCU wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: First of many in Spain I'd say. Malaga have no money now the Sheiks have stopped pumping money in, but even so, paying the players off is a drastic step.
www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/malaga...l-club-a4445241.html
Don't think it could happen here though. Spain's labour and football laws must permit it.


It’s Staff, not Players, according to my Malaga ST holding mate...

www.malagacf.com/en/news/malaga-cf-statement-9


Can't see where it says that CCU. I got told about it from a malaguista.
The Club announces that it has taken the decision to present an employment regulation file for the termination and/or suspension of employment contracts.


So did I...

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20 May 2020 18:07 #778 by Drifter
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Haven't been paying too much attention to the thread - just waiting for someone to tell me what's happening - but if Premier League B Teams fill the gaps in L1 & L2 then I'm afraid I'lljust have to shut the door and switch the lights off. I think I'd just loose all interest in the Football League and so terribly sadly CUFC.

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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

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CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CarlisleWhite wrote: Just a daft thought - have Clibbens or Nixon (or whoever attended the EFL meeting) realised that by agreeing to promotion but no relegation from L2 they have opened the door to L1 doing the same?
This could leave L2 4 teams short next season, reducing gate income by 12.5%. Seems a bit odd.
Even if they promote 4 from the conference, they weaken the clubs position as most will have greater resources than we are spending at present.
Still think the relegation of Stevenage will happen to be honest, but not exactly great insight from NC/JN.


Can I just clear something up for people here about what is becoming a major misconception here

What was announced on Friday isn't necessarily what will be the eventual outcome.

This is how it went

The FL Gave the clubs a number of options on a number of issues, for instance, one was How should we proceed A] RESUME TO PLAY THE OUTSTANDING GAMES or B] RESUME TO PLAY JUST THE PLAYOFFS or C] CALL IT AND DECIDE PLACES BY A METHOD TO BE CHOSEN

There were I understand 9 issues and the clubs voted for an option on each of them and what was announced came after votes on all of them [ a 75% vote was apparently needed each time ] After the voting was concluded and a pathway was established from the options clubs were given the opportunity to change their vote on any issue as a result of a decision in a subsequent vote which many did.

In the end, a pathway was decided on, taking into account the votes taken on the different subjects and a final vote was taken on this and contrary to what has been said and which seems to grown legs over the weekend the final vote was not unanimous it was 20 to 4 which met the needed 75% majority. The four clubs who voted against [ Forrest Green were one ] were then asked if they would still accept the majority decision 3 said yes they would and one [ Forrest Green I believe ] said they would be taking legal advice over a single point.

The issue of Stevenage is completely separate from any of this it wasn't something that was offered to the clubs as an option to vote on but something a number of clubs asked if could be included in the summary of the meeting it went to a vote as to whether they should take that option and it received the required 75% hence the publicity it has had since.

But the clubs pushing that agenda did so in the knowledge that either the FL Board or the FA or both could and probably will overrule the clubs on the matter. It was a request nothing more and the overall outcome will not be changed whatever the two bodies decide on this matter.

They attempted the same process with the Lge One clubs but got no further than a couple of the preliminary votes before the Peterboro 6 [ or is it now 7 ? ] made their position very clear and the whole thing descended into chaos. It appears the way forward on this by the FL is they will attempt to divide and rule ie make some concessions to the four clubs already in the playoff positions in an attempt to separate them from the other 2 [ or is it 3 ] Sunderland and Ipswich and we.ll have to wait till Wednesday to see whether they've been successful or not.

Whatever happens, it's certainly looking like things will be a lot clearer after the FL board meeting on Wednesday.

CW On your point above the only place promotion but no relegation was considered was the PL and for that to work promotion and relegation throughout the FL would take place as normal this year and would only become an issue for the FL in subsequent years as the PL started to return their numbers to normal. But it's pretty certain that this is now off the table and would only become a possible option again should the PL [ and to a certain extent the Championship ] not resume or complete the season as they clearly intend to.

Get the thrust of your point NS, but not sure I agree with it.
What was agreed on Friday was the L2 clubs preferences. It then has to go to the EFL board for approval, where they could (should and probably will) vote it down). Not sure where the PL fits in on this.
L1 had their own vote, and got nowhere as you say. McAnthont being the apparent driving force.
Thing is, time will over take all this. Parry has already said end of July is their deadline. The coordinated noises from the PL are it will only be safe to start at end of June now. Not enough time to complete and EFL leagues and have play offs in 4 weeks.


Out of interest which bit don't you agree with because I can assure you that's a pretty accurate summary of what went on coming directly from someone whose seen a recording of the whole 2 hours plus of the video meeting.

And I can tell you now Nixon doesn't come out of it smelling of Roses and I don't think he has a cat in hells chance of being re-elected as the league two rep next year because despite it looking like all was sweetness and light in effect it was anything but and without a number of people putting the good of the game and its fans before their own interests and i.m not just talking about Carol Shanahan here, you would have had a repeat of what went on with Lge One.

The bit about only the PL being no promotion was why they voted on it. Have a listen to the Ormstein and Chapman podcast from this morning. Apparently L1 vot was before the L2 vote, and the Championship clubs were on the phone to the EFL as soon as L2 announced what they wanted.
I don't think any club put the interests of the game first (including Shanahan, who actually said they could not afford the testing before everyone jumped on the good of the game line).
All clubs are in it for themselves. Interesting Hull now want the Championship voided. I wonder why.


Not sure i.m following you about the PL

I gave up listening to so-called experts who talk to themselves a long time ago Christ they all spent the weekend pontificating on a throwaway remark having got the entirety of what had gone on completely wrong.

Heres the current state of play on league one

Sides that want to play on!
- Portsmouth
- Fleetwood
- Peterborough
- Sunderland
- Ipswich
- Gillingham (TBC)

Sides that want to end early!
-Coventry
- Rotherham
- Wycombe
- Burton
- Shrewsbury
- Accrington
- Rochdale
- Bristol Rovers (TBC)
- Lincoln City (TBC)

Sides that want to null and void!
- Southend

Sides that are undecided!
- Oxford (New Change)
- Doncaster
- Blackpool
- MK Dons (Will go with majority)
- AFC Wimbledon (will go with majority)
- Tranmere
- Bolton (will go with majority)

And they've now changed the majority needed to only 51% and simplified to options available for them to vote on

Scenario 1 - Season resumes behind closed doors! (Very unlikely as 51% of sides need to agree to it)
Scenario 2 - Season ends via PPG with top 2 up and then final spot decided by play offs (Most Likely)
Scenario 3 -Top 3 sides via normal PPG would be promoted with no play offs



And Andy Holt has told them whatever the vote Accy won't be restarting full stop.



A Scenario 4 option will be e.mailed to the division one clubs in the morning. Basically its Call the season now with Coventry and Rotherham promoted and an extended playoff comp for the next 8 clubs. The FL believe this will be enough to get 12 clubs to agree when they vote again on Friday


In League One Scenario three has now been removed from the choices the clubs will meet on Friday but the vote won't take place till next week

In League 2 the FL have decided they won't sort the seasons end out until the whole Macclesfield issue is put to bed. In my opinion, they are acting disgracefully against one of their own clubs just because they don't like the owner. Did they learn nothing over the Bury fiasco It appears they didn't.
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So EFL say Relegation should happen, Play-Offs are four teams only, and a simple 51% majority needed.

Look’s like someone’s put their foot down...

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Looks like Barrow plus one other up and stevenage down then
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21 May 2020 14:28 #784 by 09sider
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League 2 relegation has to be agreed, if not why should teams be promoted. Everyone can't be kept happy, if how to finish an unfinished league is not in the rules then the powers that be need to create one.

Hopefully it'll all get sorted soon, because new challenges are heading our way, salary caps and 20 man squads anyone?

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09sider wrote: League 2 relegation has to be agreed, if not why should teams be promoted. Everyone can't be kept happy, if how to finish an unfinished league is not in the rules then the powers that be need to create one.

Hopefully it'll all get sorted soon, because new challenges are heading our way, salary caps and 20 man squads anyone?


Yeah, looks like someone on Fishergate Hill has found a pair of balls at last.

Cant you just hear MacAnthony stamping his feet from here ?

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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

09sider wrote: League 2 relegation has to be agreed, if not why should teams be promoted. Everyone can't be kept happy, if how to finish an unfinished league is not in the rules then the powers that be need to create one.

Hopefully it'll all get sorted soon, because new challenges are heading our way, salary caps and 20 man squads anyone?


Yeah, looks like someone on Fishergate Hill has found a pair of balls at last.

Cant you just hear MacAnthony stamping his feet from here ?

Or on the phone to his lawyers.

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John Nixon is on the EFL board isn’t he. Looks like he’s doing his best to get Harrogate, Barrow, Tranmere, and Bolton in our league next season. Football fortune!

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The Archer wrote: John Nixon is on the EFL board isn’t he. Looks like he’s doing his best to get Harrogate, Barrow, Tranmere, and Bolton in our league next season. Football fortune!


Aye looks like League two will be losing

Stevenage

Swindon

Crewe

Plymouth

And one of

Exeter

Cheltenham

Colchester

Northampton.

And Gaining

Tranmere

Southend

Bolton

Barrow

Harrogate

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A REPORT by the Saudi state news channel Al Ekhbariya claims the Newcastle United takeover has been approved by the Premier League.

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