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18 Mar 2020 08:23 #1 by Laffy
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Postal workers vote(94pc) to strike/(but only after the virus crisis) because they want to be treated as emergency workers.

Pathetic-utterly pathetic.
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18 Mar 2020 11:57 #2 by Bumble
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Wow, a fair bit of twisted truth there, think you've got that out of the Daily Mail.
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18 Mar 2020 13:05 #3 by CarlisleWhite
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Please don't let this be the topic that brings Kesler back.

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18 Mar 2020 13:25 #4 by markredfox73
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18 Mar 2020 13:55 #5 by Laffy
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No wow-it’s fact.They have voted to strike but opted to defer to allow them to become emergency workers-what [censored] heroes.

You really couldn’t make it up-just when half the population is looking into the abyss.

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18 Mar 2020 13:57 #6 by Laffy

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18 Mar 2020 14:23 #7 by Bumble
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Laffy wrote: No wow-it’s fact.They have voted to strike but opted to defer to allow them to become emergency workers-what [censored] heroes.

You really couldn’t make it up-just when half the population is looking into the abyss.


The strike and what the posties are striking about is relevant to the corona virus, in that the posties are (at the moment) the only service that connects every address in the ccountry. Posties aren't an emergency service or heroes, just part of the fabric of society that used to work well but now is being dismantled by folk who think the world can operate ok without personal contact.

When I was a postie we had an arrangement with a few folk that lived by themselves. They would put an ornament in the window every morning when they got up. If it wasn't there we would knock on the door and try and get in, if we couldn't we would get help. A simple thing, no one had to know about it. We could check in a second even if they didn't get mail. It was nothing to do with being a hero, it was just being part of the community, that's what posties were then. Not so much now, as profit has become king and the service is in danger of being broken up.

A great shame to lose the universal service and that link to the community but hey ho, it gives the papers some one else to have a dig at.
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18 Mar 2020 14:36 #8 by Laffy
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What part of ‘we are going on strike’ in the middle is a national crisis don’t you understand Bumble?

The country is at war so let’s call a bloody strike-despite the fact that the Royal Mail is being overtaken by low cost competitors and the internet.

Oh and let’s not forget the strike is about pay whilst many in this country won’t have any income whatsoever.

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18 Mar 2020 14:57 #9 by Bumble
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But they aren't going to strike they have deferred it?

The vote to strike would have been planned long before this crisis. A month ago the world was a very different place.

Pay and ways of working were some of the reasons for the strike, things the posties felt very strongly about as seen by the vote.

These things have been put on hold because of the current situation.

Had the corona virus not come along the strike would have gone ahead, now it is deferred, end of story for now surely.
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18 Mar 2020 15:04 #10 by Laffy
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It’s a total bloody distraction-and totally irrelevant

‘We are going on strike-but will let you know when.Meantime,we will try and make ourselves look important and useful by aligning ourselves with the emergency services’

Pathetic.I don’t blame the posties-just the clowns leading them by the nose.
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18 Mar 2020 16:35 #11 by Flatcap
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So what you are saying is that they should go on strike now rather than helping the country out during this s crisis.

As Bumble says the vote was taken before the coronavirus took hold.

Pathetic.
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18 Mar 2020 16:47 #12 by thesilentone
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Bumble wrote: But they aren't going to strike they have deferred it?

The vote to strike would have been planned long before this crisis. A month ago the world was a very different place.

Pay and ways of working were some of the reasons for the strike, things the posties felt very strongly about as seen by the vote.

These things have been put on hold because of the current situation.

Had the corona virus not come along the strike would have gone ahead, now it is deferred, end of story for now surely.


The Post Office are being obliterated by the Competition due to high prices and archaic working practices, the share value has fallen like a stone, and they think striking is the solution ??

All this will do is hasten it's demise and see it consumed by some faceless foreign Company that will asset strip and keep a few profitable pieces.

Strike = suicide !!

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18 Mar 2020 16:52 #13 by AlbertRoss
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Laffy wrote: -just when half the population is looking into the abyss.


Don't worry, it might not be all that bad. Brexit might actually have some good effects!

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18 Mar 2020 16:59 #14 by franksidebottom
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Your lack of knowledge and understanding of the subject is evident and pretty alarming Laffy.

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18 Mar 2020 17:12 #15 by Gannadan
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Agreed, I'd rather listen to the postal workers doing an important job under difficult circumstances when everyone else is taking cover.

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18 Mar 2020 18:23 #16 by Laffy
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I know enough to state that the RMG needs to modernise with a Union working with closely them.Otherwise it’s goodnight Vienna.Less mail, more e mail-and emails don’t need a postman last time I sent one.The delivery market is cut throat.

We could do with more social and community workers but they don’t need to wear a uniform and post letters in a letter box to be effective.

I wouldn’t let that Union leader wipe my arse.Totally out of touch and frankly, in this environment, almost bloody treason.

What happened to ‘we are all in it together Comrades?’Or does that only apply if you are in the Union?

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18 Mar 2020 20:20 #17 by franksidebottom
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You’ve proved in this thread that you don’t know enough, that’s pretty evident.

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18 Mar 2020 20:44 #18 by nobbyblue
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Laffy wrote: Postal workers vote(94pc) to strike/(but only after the virus crisis) because they want to be treated as emergency workers.

Pathetic-utterly pathetic.


Surely you can’t be denying that people have the right to strike.
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18 Mar 2020 21:35 #19 by Laffy
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Calling a strike in the middle of a war?Then deferring it to garner public support.

Pathetic

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18 Mar 2020 22:00 #20 by franksidebottom
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Keep digging...

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18 Mar 2020 22:29 #21 by Urban Designer
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Getting your bills, statements and junk is no emergency and who the hell writes letter these days.

But I do think the zero hours tesco, etc delivery who will be delivering food should be given a good tip and deserve bonus's.

London is now close to a shutdown with a curfu. Police will be taken away from other duties.

It might just be a thing thats on TV for most of the north but it is coming and it will not go away after what many are considering a 2 week holiday!

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19 Mar 2020 07:24 #22 by Laffy
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Happy to keep digging-absolutely pathetic and a huge own goal

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19 Mar 2020 08:28 #23 by High Street
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I’ve had 3 letters through my door in 3 weeks, 2 on the same day.

There really isn’t a need for Royal Mail, as it is, these days, it does need to change, maybe even have alternate day delivery.

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19 Mar 2020 14:19 #24 by CarlisleWhite
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Thing I never got with the post office workers union (sorry, don't know their proper name) is they have always been one of the most militant unions, but the wages of postmen are and always have been really low. Same as the train workers (bar London).

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19 Mar 2020 14:51 #25 by topstepwhinger
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An average of £23k for driving your cat around the countryside isn't too shabby and £54k for sitting in a nice warm fully automated cab isn't too bad either.
NB I've never heard it said there is a shortage of postmen/postwomen or train drivers come to that.........

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19 Mar 2020 15:31 #26 by CarlisleWhite
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topstepwhinger wrote: An average of £23k for driving your cat around the countryside isn't too shabby and £54k for sitting in a nice warm fully automated cab isn't too bad either.
NB I've never heard it said there is a shortage of postmen/postwomen or train drivers come to that.........

Have mates who are postmen, and they always have to work piles of overtime to get to a decent wage (not dsputing your fugures mind, I could be out of touch).
And you missed the bit about having to drag your cat out of bed at 4 in the morning.
I also meant train staff more than drivers.
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19 Mar 2020 16:19 #27 by Gannadan
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Just my opinion.
Why are people always opposed to their fellow man getting a rise, when if enough sectors get one it adds leverage to our own plight by way of comparison. We're talking about peanuts here when you consider the wealth of the oligarchy who are drowning in unimaginable sums. This is why we fall down, petty envy and squabble amongst ourselves (divide and conquer) keeps the men at the top in comfortable shoes. Unity and support is our best tool to raise ourselves out of the mire that we have created with our own short-sighted selfishness. Wage rises cause price rises, yes I agree, but seldom only for operational reasons, rather it is driven by the money men who refuse cut ever-increasing bottom line profits for share holders and themselves.

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19 Mar 2020 16:39 #28 by Laffy
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My issue is the strike, and the timing of the ballots-pre Xmas surprise surprise and then just at the start of the virus ramp up.

I have absolutely no problem with anyone getting a decent wage

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19 Mar 2020 16:42 #29 by CCU
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Didn’t voting for the Ballot take place over a couple of weeks? And clearly organised (and started) before the current Virus Crisis escalated to the level of this week?

Highly unlikely they decided to do a ballot of the entire workforce in a matter of hours!

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19 Mar 2020 16:44 #30 by Laffy
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They have form-why I mentioned Xmas in case anyone forgets.Like teachers don’t go on strike in the summer holidays

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19 Mar 2020 17:00 #31 by ParcelPete
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As i am now retired i don't know any of the reasons for the ballot but 94% in favour of action is huge,does not surprise me however as in my 34 years working for royal mail i found a lot of the managers arrogant and confrontational,you only have to look at the sub postmasters who were wrongly accused of dishonesty and sacked because RM would not admit it was a computer error,it has now cost them 58 million in a out of court settlement,i myself was screwed over twice by them,once when they stopped paying £15.50 per week meal allowance which worked out at £16,000 assuming no price increase and again when the shafted us over our pensions.
And don't get me started on when RM said the had too much money in the pension pot and were going to have a year without paying anything into it which then lasted 13 years.

www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article...e-at-Royal-Mail.html
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19 Mar 2020 17:17 #32 by Laffy
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At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the group being sold to the employees-then they can determine what’s fair and reasonable and develop a plan for the future

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19 Mar 2020 17:24 #33 by ParcelPete
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Laffy wrote: At this rate, I wouldn’t be surprised to see the group being sold to the employees-then they can determine what’s fair and reasonable and develop a plan for the future


Couldn't do any worse,the present lot have seen the shares go from £6.20 to £1.50.

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19 Mar 2020 17:26 #34 by Laffy
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That’s my point-it’s a falling knife so withdrawing labour isn’t a good move for anyone

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19 Mar 2020 17:39 #35 by ParcelPete
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I think everyone knows industrial action is damaging for the company and yet 94% voted in favour,how low must morale be for workers to have that attitude.
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19 Mar 2020 17:42 #36 by thesilentone
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What the militants don't seem to get is, striking only hurts the working man.

The PO is up sxxt creek, a first class stamp is £0.76p !!!, an email is free.

What don't they get ??

Mass redundancies and job losses will follow.

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19 Mar 2020 17:51 #37 by ParcelPete
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You can't email a parcel.
but i bet you love getting yours from Amazon who have just announced compulsery overtime with a £2 rise as if time and a quarter makes up for losing family time.
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19 Mar 2020 18:11 #38 by Markovitch
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The government is hopelessly unprepared for a medical emergency so the posties have to pick up the slack?
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19 Mar 2020 18:43 #39 by Laffy
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There are many parcel delivery companies chewing at their heels-the monopoly ended years ago.

Marko-the world isn’t prepared for this type of emergency.Its not a UK phenomena.I do think it’s the end of global supply chains which is a good thing in my opinion and all that ‘just in time’ crap.

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19 Mar 2020 19:00 #40 by ParcelPete
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Laffy wrote: There are many parcel delivery companies chewing at their heels-the monopoly ended years ago.

Marko-the world isn’t prepared for this type of emergency.Its not a UK phenomena.I do think it’s the end of global supply chains which is a good thing in my opinion and all that ‘just in time’ crap.


I take it you approve of amazons compulsery overtime,i thought Dickensian times were in the past.
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19 Mar 2020 20:09 #41 by thesilentone
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............but can't you see, this is playing into the hands of Amazon and all the low cost delivery Companies, how much business do you thing the PO will lose if they strike ??

It's British Rail type management: " We appear to be getting hammered by the Competition " " I know a solution, lets give everyone a pay rise "

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19 Mar 2020 20:42 #42 by ParcelPete
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Of course its playing in to Royal Mails competitors hands everyone knows that so what makes 94% vote for action,i retired so don't know the answer but maybe they see a future where they can be bullied like amazon workers in to short term contracts and compulsery overtime to satisfy the shareholders.
i noticed you and Laffy didn't make any comments on the RM 13 year pension holiday and the £58 million out of court settlement.
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19 Mar 2020 21:09 #43 by NORTHERNSOUL
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The bit I don't understand is these managers that you describe as arrogant and confrontational are surely ex posties who have been promoted into the job You'd think the minute they started to play up their ex postie mates would start dishing the dirt on them from their days doing the rounds.

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19 Mar 2020 21:15 #44 by ParcelPete
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19 Mar 2020 21:21 #45 by NORTHERNSOUL
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ParcelPete wrote: We only shag bored housewives in the films.


Haha I have a relative who an ex postie so I know all about goes on [ i.m assuming it still does lol ]

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19 Mar 2020 21:23 #46 by Bumble
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Royal Mail can never compete with the competitors. That was a political decision when the goverment allowed Royal Mail to lose their exclusivity.

Competitors are allowed to come in and pick off the profitiable areas, towns and build up areas where there a lot of addresses in a small area, so many drops can be don in an hour.

Royal Mail still deliver to every address in the country and in Cumbria that means in some areas they may only do five or six drops in an hour.

Even on zero hour contracts and a minimum wage they can't compete because the profitable bits are being cherry picked by other companies.

I honestly think there is no way back now and it will only be a matter of time before a daily delivery stops and some addresses won't get a delivery at all.
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19 Mar 2020 21:40 #47 by ParcelPete
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Barbara,i used to have the whole of the CA16 and CA17 area to cover,places like Knock,Hilton,North and South Stainmore,Outhgill and Aisgill everyone thinks it was a cushy number sitting on my arse all day,no idea that a before 9am delivery could screw up your whole day,it was so stressful.
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19 Mar 2020 21:49 #48 by Bumble
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I did all of CA16, there's some long and rough farm lanes with a few gates to open and close on those runs.
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20 Mar 2020 06:50 #49 by melbourneblues
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ParcelPete wrote: Barbara,i used to have the whole of the CA16 and CA17 area to cover,places like Knock,Hilton,North and South Stainmore,Outhgill and Aisgill everyone thinks it was a cushy number sitting on my arse all day,no idea that a before 9am delivery could screw up your whole day,it was so stressful.


It must have been awful for you Pete all that stress of delivering parcels, I’m pleased you’re at ease now. :-)

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