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15 May 2020 22:29 #51 by CCU
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Little stat from today - Not one Player left at CU has been with the Club more than one year...

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15 May 2020 22:45 #52 by markredfox73
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Longest serving player be a 6 month contract job before long.

A merry go round awaits..

Mike Jones was our best player and should have been retained regardless.A very good league 2 player which is what you need to build a team around..however....

This isnt about building a team anymore for cufc its just a yearly survival program.



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15 May 2020 23:06 #53 by Dazzyblue
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Theyll be a big shift in players at every club this season I expect....problem is if your building teams around players like mike Jones you'll get nowhere. Theyll be 1400 or so mike Jones available. Average at best and that is all. Decision to give Webster and Bridge offer is lunacy, the pair of them are utter dogs**t. You may as well of offered 2 sunday league players contracts as that's what quality they are. Theyll actually be better players playing on a sunday morning than them 2.

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15 May 2020 23:27 #54 by CUFC52
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Gonna avoid saying if our released list is good or bad - last season I was happy Gerrard and Parkess went - this season I spent 4 months watch Byron Webster air kick everything possible and a 6ft CB who coudnt tackle or pass - whilst arguably our best CB and a £million quid CB sat on the bench.

We can make cases to keep most of the players:

Scougall - player in their
Sagaf - player in their
Ierdale - arguably takes a player 12+ months to adapt to coming from the Scottish game.

List can go on...

Reality is this season hasn’t been good enough, Beech has a chance to shape his squad and will be judged on that. If he’s a good a coach with young players as people say he is will he fine the likes of Charters and Dixon will come goodX

On the subject of Jones and Mckirdy - Jones theirs needs to be a sense of realism it may take us two years to go up (hopefully be less) at which point he’d nearly by 35. mckirdy we probably will regret - but personally I can’t be botheRed with the hassle of him - good riddance.

Let’s see if Bridge and Webster sign - maybe beech sees them as squd players and has reduced terms.

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16 May 2020 07:43 #55 by nobbyblue
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If Webster and Bridge are the kind of players we’re building the squad round the budget must be minuscule.

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16 May 2020 08:16 #56 by ExiledJock
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There are players being released who I have never heard of - which says much about my level of interest these days.
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16 May 2020 09:58 #57 by seabird
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The last 2 seasons we have more or less started from scratch,this season a little different ,the defence apart from keeper is set .Needs a lot of work elsewhere but more optimistic than the previous 2 .
Providing of course there is football to go back to.

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16 May 2020 10:11 #58 by Burneside Blue
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A sign of the times that I'm not bothered one way or the other If any of our squad stay or go... some obviously better than others,some with potential,but mostly just a whole load of average (and in some cases well below)
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16 May 2020 10:52 #59 by CarlisleWhite
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On balance, having so few players is the best for the club at present, even if it means another rebuild. No one knows how long before football at this level starts again, and we can't keep fiddling furlough forever. It will also be tapered out soon enough.
One thing to say on those retained - there will not be any retained to be squad players (apart from the youths). Makes no financial sense to do so when so many players are coming available. If they have or have been offered contracts, they are there to play.
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16 May 2020 12:06 #60 by CCU
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16 May 2020 13:11 #61 by bluebry
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seesaw50 wrote: Thomas out of contract yes at SU.... thought I'd seen 2021.


Yea all most certainly out of contract at Sheff Utd, biggest problem for us getting him back here would be his wages, as I believe Sheffield were paying him a good chunk when he was here on loan, and there is absolutely no way we'll be paying him anywhere near the wages he was getting there. After saying that he'll have to take a significant drop wherever he goes because (despite the fact he did ok here) he didn't exactly set our division alight, so I don't expect that there will be a queue of managers wanting to sign him, so you never know, he might end up back here.
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16 May 2020 13:24 #62 by pacirv
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In letting McKirdy, Sagaf and Thomas go we've lost the three most skilful players on the books. It's all very well concentrating on workman like players, but it's a lot more entertaining when you've got one or two players with a bit of flair the likes of Zoko can turn the game on its head with a bit of magic and it makes the game a lot better to watch than a bunch of headless chickens doing a lot of running about without any end product.
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16 May 2020 13:25 #63 by Wukkie
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I know a lot of us feel that the club is a rudderless ship and seen to be behind the times and no wonder when you read this article from the O/S.

The opening paragraph says it all - ''Director of football David Holdsworth confirmed this morning that it was a relief to have received a decision on the curtailing of League Two’s 19/20 season [subject to confirmation from the EFL and FA] with the focus very much now on the 1920/21 campaign following the publication of the club’s retained / released list on Friday evening''.

100 years behind in fact!
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16 May 2020 13:26 #64 by The Archer
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The retained list doesn’t necessarily show whether the manager wanted to keep a player.

With McKirdy, it’s possible the club talked to him about extending his deal earlier this year but he made it clear that he wanted to go on to ‘bigger’ things or a club nearer to his beloved Chelsea. In the current financial climate there’s no way a club or tribunal would agree to a transfer fee so offering him a deal in order to extract compensation would be a waste of time. I reckon he’ll end up somewhere like Plymouth or Shrewsbury in the league above and again show glimpses of talent while being petulant on and off the pitch.

And we don’t know what those offered new terms have been offered, the likes of Webster and Bridge may have been offered significantly poorer terms like Adams was a few years ago. The decision for them may rest on whether any other league club will offer them a deal...

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16 May 2020 14:10 - 16 May 2020 14:11 #65 by CCU
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pacirv wrote: In letting McKirdy, Sagaf and Thomas go we've lost the three most skilful players on the books.


TBF, Thomas was only on Loan, so not much we could do.

From Beech’s comments, it suggests we’ve maybe said ‘you’ll be welcome here’ if/when Sheff Utd release him, but he’s obviously going to see what’s out there...

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16 May 2020 14:12 #66 by CUFC52
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Mckridy lives in and around Stoke - can’t imagine its location.

DH made a comment about a winger who only wanted to play for Steven Pressley a bit back.... it’s quite clearer he’s got the talent, but he’s another one without the attitude to succead.

I’m arguably bridge’s biggest fan - actually said a few times he was our worst CM ever! - but he got a few run outs on the wing and looked half competent - maybe a project. He can play CM (albeit not very well) and on the wing - half decent option on the bench.

I think we all knew if players got offered extensions Webster would be one... 95% of us think it’s the wrong option, but let’s see he might be a different player. - just make sure he doesn’t get the armband.

- plus he owes us a good 10+ points
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16 May 2020 14:37 #67 by heilkmoon
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Beech’s line about “performing consistently and without question” is an obvious reference to McKirdy.

I’d have offered him something, personally I’m only interested in what a player delivers rather than whether they’re a [censored] or not and players with McKirdy’s trickery are rare in League 2.

While I find it difficult to believe he successfully impersonated a Wigan director I can accept the club may have had enough of him.

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16 May 2020 14:45 #68 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CCU wrote: Thomas is out of contract at Sheff Utd this Summer isn’t he?


Thomas is reputedly on 10 times the average wage at Carlisle so obviously he isn't going to accept a contract here on even double the average wage without testing the market first tho is he ? and for all, we know there may be someone somewhere willing to pay his 10k a week but I doubt it and I think that's exactly why Beech highlighted his situation so that he.s under no doubt that he's wanted at BP and if nobody else gets anywhere near what he.s looking for that nobody at the club will see it as a slight that he didn't just accept our offer of a fraction of what he values himself at and went out to see what's on offer to him. But somehow in the current situation, I cant see players of his ilk being managers priorities for their available cash and he may find himself having to seriously adjust downwards his aspirations and accept the best offer the club can make him where reputedly he.s been very happy and he can continue to live in the NE which he made clear was the issue with what happened over the Gillingham thing and i think we may just see him back at BP a lot sooner than we think.

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16 May 2020 14:58 - 16 May 2020 15:21 #69 by thetashkentterror
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CUFC52 wrote: Mckridy lives in and around Stoke - can’t imagine its location.


Are you Andy Townsend or does he actually have a few houses?
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16 May 2020 15:46 #70 by Laffy
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Personally I would have asked all the players to leave-except for the young hopefuls.Beech has a chance of a lifetime to build something from scratch.

Then I would ask all the directors to leave too.

A once in a lifetime opportunity to have a forest fire and start again!
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16 May 2020 17:24 #71 by CarlisleWhite
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Wukkie wrote: I know a lot of us feel that the club is a rudderless ship and seen to be behind the times and no wonder when you read this article from the O/S.

The opening paragraph says it all - ''Director of football David Holdsworth confirmed this morning that it was a relief to have received a decision on the curtailing of League Two’s 19/20 season [subject to confirmation from the EFL and FA] with the focus very much now on the 1920/21 campaign following the publication of the club’s retained / released list on Friday evening''.

100 years behind in fact!

Really wish we would get a proper media man, would make a massive difference (not so much on this but in general promotion of the club). Instead we get a well meaning supporter/kit man.

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16 May 2020 17:46 #72 by Dancingbear
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thetashkentterror wrote:

CUFC52 wrote: Mckridy lives in and around Stoke - can’t imagine its location.


Are you Andy Townsend or does he actually have a few houses?


Regardless with this social distancing he should really be sticking to one residence and not sodding off to his weekend retreat in Burslem

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16 May 2020 17:52 #73 by seesaw50
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

CCU wrote: Thomas is out of contract at Sheff Utd this Summer isn’t he?


Thomas is reputedly on 10 times the average wage at Carlisle so obviously he isn't going to accept a contract here on even double the average wage without testing the market first tho is he ? and for all, we know there may be someone somewhere willing to pay his 10k a week but I doubt it and I think that's exactly why Beech highlighted his situation so that he.s under no doubt that he's wanted at BP and if nobody else gets anywhere near what he.s looking for that nobody at the club will see it as a slight that he didn't just accept our offer of a fraction of what he values himself at and went out to see what's on offer to him. But somehow in the current situation, I cant see players of his ilk being managers priorities for their available cash and he may find himself having to seriously adjust downwards his aspirations and accept the best offer the club can make him where reputedly he.s been very happy and he can continue to live in the NE which he made clear was the issue with what happened over the Gillingham thing and i think we may just see him back at BP a lot sooner than we think.


Let's hope hes stashed some of that coin away and realises he can get a game every week here.

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16 May 2020 17:57 #74 by seesaw50
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CUFC52 wrote: Mckridy lives in and around Stoke - can’t imagine its location.

DH made a comment about a winger who only wanted to play for Steven Pressley a bit back.... it’s quite clearer he’s got the talent, but he’s another one without the attitude to succead.

I’m arguably bridge’s biggest fan - actually said a few times he was our worst CM ever! - but he got a few run outs on the wing and looked half competent - maybe a project. He can play CM (albeit not very well) and on the wing - half decent option on the bench.

I think we all knew if players got offered extensions Webster would be one... 95% of us think it’s the wrong option, but let’s see he might be a different player. - just make sure he doesn’t get the armband.

- plus he owes us a good 10+ points


Think he looks an angry man, Webster that is, but they say he's good in the dressing room ...as said, and have said it myself, he owes us at least 10 points

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16 May 2020 18:04 #75 by seesaw50
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Plenty comments on Twitter about Mo Sagaf , how he'll come good at a new club...the lad himself said a Thank You to Steven Pressley for giving him his chance.
Still think when he saw Elliot Watt come in and Mellish converted to MF, he knew he was on borrowed time, and possibly didn't push himself in training...which CB mentioned ( he didn't train well)

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16 May 2020 18:17 #76 by pacirv
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Bit sad that Webster, given how often he messed up and the points he cost us is being offered a new contract and Sagaf who did nothing wrong when he played was left out of the side and not given a chance when Beech came in has been ditched. The same treatment Pressley gave to Hayden who I presume would have been released if Elvis had still been in charge. Seriously hope that Beech can come up with replacements of the quality that can fill the gaps left by his decisions.
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16 May 2020 18:36 #77 by CUFC52
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I’m a big Sagaf fan, but I do think we rate him as better than he is as he was considerably different to our midfield options Pressley assembled.

Is Sagaf going to be starting in a top 7 team ? No
Is their potential with him developing ? Yes
Would I rather we spent time developing Sagaf over: Chrters, Dixon, Wilson and Armstrong who we might sell for a big wedge of cash ? No

Position and youth coming through has gone against him, if he was a CF, Winger or GK with his potential coming through he’d still be here.

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16 May 2020 18:40 #78 by seesaw50
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17 May 2020 14:59 #79 by kickergold
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Honestly there's nobody here in the list of released players that I regret so far. The way McKirdy was carrying on in social media, he seemed to think the whole world was against him, including the club, who he seemed to think had an agenda against him. Jones is getting on now, even though I'll miss him as a great consistent player. Sagaf is the one from this list that I'll miss the most, my favourite from him was the boxing day match where he played in a 3. Was so good at carrying the ball and beating his man. But I'll trust the process on this one, it sounds like he wasn't training well after Beech came in, and that's something no manager wants.

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17 May 2020 15:23 #80 by Dancingbear
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pacirv wrote: Bit sad that Webster, given how often he messed up and the points he cost us is being offered a new contract and Sagaf who did nothing wrong when he played was left out of the side and not given a chance when Beech came in has been ditched. The same treatment Pressley gave to Hayden who I presume would have been released if Elvis had still been in charge. Seriously hope that Beech can come up with replacements of the quality that can fill the gaps left by his decisions.


We were one of the worst squads in the football league. I’d be happy if he got rid of every single one of them except the ones he’s already brought in for the future.

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18 May 2020 10:46 #81 by Burneside Blue
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CUFC52 wrote:
Is Sagaf going to be starting in a top 7 team ?

He's hasn't been starting in a bottom 7 team.

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18 May 2020 11:48 #82 by nobbyblue
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Only because the manager isn't very good.

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18 May 2020 15:43 #83 by crunchblue
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99% of Webster’s calamities came under Pressley’s management.

Beech surely has to make judgement on what he’s seen in training and matches whilst he’s been at the club. Like him or not Webster has played considerably better under Beech. It’s probably helped having a young, fast, athletic defender in Hayden beside him, but nevertheless I can see why Beech has made the decision.
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19 May 2020 18:31 - 19 May 2020 18:50 #84 by CCU
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19 May 2020 18:39 #85 by aberdeenblue28
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Still think we can do better though. We have never really replaced the creativity of devitt, Bridge and Scougall we’re clearly earmarked for that role last season but neither were good enough. Craig Conway may have lost his pace but he may be decent in an attacking midfield role if we play with one.

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20 May 2020 10:33 #86 by CCU
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Beech on McKirdy on BBCRC last night:


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20 May 2020 12:54 #87 by 09sider
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Harry was in Harry land, a great quote and also very true.

Never a team player, always doing his own thing sometimes to the detriment of the team.

Great potential but an absolute aaarse, good riddance.
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20 May 2020 13:01 #88 by newcarlislefan
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Jon Colman summed up Harry well, I thought.
"A one man soap opera."
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20 May 2020 14:40 #89 by 09sider
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Nathan Thomas named in the Wyscout League 2 team of the year. Hopefully he'll get a contract at a League 1 club, if not I'd certainly have him back.

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20 May 2020 14:42 #90 by nobbyblue
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So McKirdy had a go at a few clowns in the Warwick.

Who cares?

11 goals and 6 assists in 26 starts (+ 12 sub appearances) isn't too bad. And that was in an absolutely atrocious side.

At least you got a bit of excitement when he was on the ball. If we're now building a side around Webster and Bridge it's going to be another grim season.

The board will be happy as Larry they can now use the coronavirus as an excuse for their ineptitude for years to come.
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20 May 2020 14:51 #91 by NORTHERNSOUL
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09sider wrote: Nathan Thomas named in the Wyscout League 2 team of the year. Hopefully he'll get a contract at a League 1 club, if not I'd certainly have him back.


From what was said earlier in the week there's a very strong chance that somebody who was released will be coming back if you read what Beech was trying to say the other day

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20 May 2020 14:55 #92 by Waltero
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Whatever happens it'll never be their fault. In their deluded minds they can do no wrong. It's us nasty fans that are the problem, we won't settle for the crap they've been dishing out for years, we are ungrateful

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20 May 2020 15:27 #93 by thetashkentterror
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nobbyblue wrote: So McKirdy had a go at a few clowns in the Warwick.

Who cares?

11 goals and 6 assists in 26 starts (+ 12 sub appearances) isn't too bad. And that was in an absolutely atrocious side.

At least you got a bit of excitement when he was on the ball. If we're now building a side around Webster and Bridge it's going to be another grim season.

The board will be happy as Larry they can now use the coronavirus as an excuse for their ineptitude for years to come.



As I said before, McKirdy was telling people before Christmas that he didn't want to be here.

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20 May 2020 15:31 #94 by Yorkie Blue
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By and large McKirdy was ok, at least there was the odd ripple of excitement when he got the ball, but it was plain to see the lad wasn`t happy here, if he can find a club where he can settle I`m sure a good player will emerge. Getting back to Nobbyblue`s post, I agree, if we`re building a side around the likes of Webster and Bridge then I`m in self isolation on Saturday afternoons next season, whenever that is.

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20 May 2020 16:11 #95 by crunchblue
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09sider wrote: Nathan Thomas named in the Wyscout League 2 team of the year. Hopefully he'll get a contract at a League 1 club, if not I'd certainly have him back.


Thomas needs to be careful with this next move. Obviously he’ll want to get another decent contract after being on good money at Sheffield Utd, but he has to take other things into consideration. Let’s not forget he signed on loan for Gillingham at the start of the season and ended up wanting out after a month as he was too far away from the north east.

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20 May 2020 16:49 #96 by orfc
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McKirdy only score 5 league goals, but they all mattered, without them we'd be 9 points worse off and thanking our lucky stars Bury went bust and Macclesfield got points deductions - else we'd be a point above Morecambe scrapping out to dodge the 2nd relegation spot

www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=96455
Carlisle 2 - 1 Crawley 1 goal
Stevenage 2 - 3 Carlisle 2 goals
Carlisle 2 - 1 Macclesfield 1 goal
Walsall 1 - 2 Carlisle 1 goal

Also joint top FA Cup Scorer for the whole competition.... likely to be unchallenged now...
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/fa-cup/top-scorers


and that's SCIENTIFIC STATS ANALYSIS
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20 May 2020 17:35 #97 by newcarlislefan
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I'd forgotten about that Stevenage game.
Considering we were playing the worst league side in the country, I thought that on the day we were fortunate to win and could even have lost that game.
McKirdy really was excellent that day and had that extra bit of quality needed to pinch it.
I remember seeing him walking over to Foreways with a load of younger players, probably January time. He was the only only with his hood up, not wanting to be recognised.
I spoke to him briefly and said how much I'd enjoyed watching him play and that he had that 70s look & flair about him which I liked when watching football in an age of GPS vests and low presses.
Thought it might cheer him up but I think he thought I was some kind of weirdo as he was keen to get away but I was struck by how detached and uninterested he seemed to be.
Sad to see him go really. As others have said it's nice to have a bit of variety in a player from time to time.
I think it was Cruyff who said that it's sometimes more beautiful when it hits the post and you hope the game can find room for a player like McKirdy.
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20 May 2020 21:07 #98 by seesaw50
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Yes interesting comments by Beech on McKirdy....basically needs to grow up or his career will have passed him by.

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21 May 2020 08:37 #99 by unclealbert
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Would have kept Jones and McKirdy.
McKirdy had a strange personality and was probably difficult to handle,however,if you try to change him you ruin the footballer. He was a game changer and he could have brought the club some money. There was a whole list of players like Gazza,Best and Bowles who were difficult but they could play good football.

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21 May 2020 11:42 #100 by pigeonpete
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Sounds to me that he didnt want to stay so why would you give him a contract if he doesnt want to be here, he will not give 100%
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