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18 May 2020 17:00 - 18 May 2020 17:02 #1 by CCU
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Win or Lose, Up The Blues!
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18 May 2020 17:06 #2 by CarlisleWhite
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Oh, it's a plea for money. Not apparent at first.
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18 May 2020 17:14 #3 by Mullen103
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We all want the club to survive, no question, we all want the club to move forward - I knew about this initiative (in theory great) but I have/had reservations and for the following reasons I won’t be donating.

We have a supposed billionaire backer, yes he has probably lost millions and has had to bail out his companies But still.

Where will the money go - if our current owners can’t sustain us through this crisis they should go. If we can’t pay bills we will go into admin/ keep the money for that and a new regime and start again - don’t give money to be given to a failed regiem.

It’s a no from me - clubs owners/trustees should of thought about possible crisis before begging for our cash.

At least we’re not Stockport
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18 May 2020 17:15 #4 by whytakemypostcode
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"Give us some money".

Pathetic. Is that the best they and the club can come up with.

The club are as guilty as CUOSC for this pathetic effort. They both should have worked together to give the fans something to get behind.

I remember the last crowd funding effort!
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18 May 2020 17:46 #5 by thetashkentterror
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As Mullen alludes to, they've got themselves into a financial hole where they are totally reliant on EWM, while still without any kind of takeover in the offing, so they can get themselves out of it.

Propping up a failed regime, entirely correct.

Also worth pointing out that a lot of the supporters they are begging off are skint as well.

Surely we can't have spunked all the television money, and Branthwaite, Galloway and Hope money on all the new signings for Beech and financial losses already?
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18 May 2020 18:19 #6 by aberdeenblue28
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whytakemypostcode wrote: "Give us some money".

Pathetic. Is that the best they and the club can come up with.

The club are as guilty as CUOSC for this pathetic effort. They both should have worked together to give the fans something to get behind.

I remember the last crowd funding effort!

Junior Joachim wasn’t it

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18 May 2020 18:54 #7 by Waltero
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I'm not going to ask for a cash back on the four games I missed on my season ticket and that's my lot.
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18 May 2020 18:56 #8 by Bruntonpasty
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Snap..

They don't like it up 'em!
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18 May 2020 19:15 #9 by ParcelPete
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I can donate my peaches and herb single.

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18 May 2020 19:17 #10 by Bruntonpasty
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Pete....I bet that "feels so good".......

They don't like it up 'em!

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18 May 2020 19:29 #11 by Taffy-P
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I don’t want my season ticket money back
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18 May 2020 20:39 #12 by crunchblue
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Waltero wrote: I'm not going to ask for a cash back on the four games I missed on my season ticket and that's my lot.


Same.

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18 May 2020 20:50 #13 by Dancingbear
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I may have mentioned on here that they’re way behind just about every other sports club in the world re fundraising so even though that’s pretty pathetic I’ve still made a donation. Remember Day sacked his own staff as soon as there was a sniff of a lockdown so doubt he’s gonna show the blues any compassion.

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18 May 2020 20:56 #14 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Waltero wrote: I'm not going to ask for a cash back on the four games I missed on my season ticket and that's my lot.


If I was in your position before you tell them officially that you don't want a refund I would wait and see the price increase for next year and the terms that it's being sold on.

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18 May 2020 21:08 #15 by Waltero
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That's crossed my mind. I'd be interested to see if they make any contact with season ticket holders. I doubt it though. Their lack of communication with fans is legendary.
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18 May 2020 21:22 #16 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote: We all want the club to survive, no question, we all want the club to move forward - I knew about this initiative (in theory great) but I have/had reservations and for the following reasons I won’t be donating.

We have a supposed billionaire backer, yes he has probably lost millions and has had to bail out his companies But still.

Where will the money go - if our current owners can’t sustain us through this crisis they should go. If we can’t pay bills we will go into admin/ keep the money for that and a new regime and start again - don’t give money to be given to a failed regiem.

It’s a no from me - clubs owners/trustees should of thought about possible crisis before begging for our cash.


Andrew Jenkins personal Wealth is 17 million quid. Mine is about 200k in other words if Herbert is willing to put a million in then pro-rata i.d be more than happy to chip in with my 15 grand and on the same basis if the Day Family Trust was to put another 3 million in I would be more than happy pro-rata to add another one and a half grand.

The directors really must be thick or have once again seriously pulled the wool over the eyes of the trust if they think people are going to give them money when they won't even be open and honest about who actually owns the club and what and when succession really means. And the trust who clearly must know the answers to those questions chooses to put licking Jenkins arse above being open and honest with their members and the fan base in general. Yes, the very people that tonite they are holding up to begging bowl too.

Going into administration right now would be the best thing to happen to the club in decades and the no 12 points penalty would simply be the icing on the cake.

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18 May 2020 21:39 #17 by Mullen103
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Mullen103 wrote: We all want the club to survive, no question, we all want the club to move forward - I knew about this initiative (in theory great) but I have/had reservations and for the following reasons I won’t be donating.

We have a supposed billionaire backer, yes he has probably lost millions and has had to bail out his companies But still.

Where will the money go - if our current owners can’t sustain us through this crisis they should go. If we can’t pay bills we will go into admin/ keep the money for that and a new regime and start again - don’t give money to be given to a failed regiem.

It’s a no from me - clubs owners/trustees should of thought about possible crisis before begging for our cash.


Andrew Jenkins personal Wealth is 17 million quid. Mine is about 200k in other words if Herbert is willing to put a million in then pro-rata i.d be more than happy to chip in with my 15 grand and on the same basis if the Day Family Trust was to put another 3 million in I would be more than happy pro-rata to add another one and a half grand.

The directors really must be thick or have once again seriously pulled the wool over the eyes of the trust if they think people are going to give them money when they won't even be open and honest about who actually owns the club and what and when succession really means. And the trust who clearly must know the answers to those questions chooses to put licking Jenkins arse above being open and honest with their members and the fan base in general. Yes, the very people that tonite they are holding up to begging bowl too.

Going into administration right now would be the best thing to happen to the club in decades and the no 12 points penalty would simply be the icing on the cake.


We’ve now got the best chance in years to start again with admin etc.

Yet we have supporters that’ll give money to this for nothing in return apart from giving money for failure, beggars belief really.

But so be it, but don’t come complaining about the club going nowhere and the state of the club if you’re happy to donate to this.

I’ve no issue the trust raising money, I’ve issue with them giving it to the clubs owners - whether there’s transparency or not. Should keep a war chest to use once there’s real change.

At least we’re not Stockport
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19 May 2020 07:18 #18 by Kessler
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Considering that a lot of fans are on less income right now, is it fair to expect them to hand over what little disposable income they have, while the owner of the club sits on a 17 million pound fortune?

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19 May 2020 08:50 #19 by Bruntonpasty
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....I think Philip Day is worth more than 17 million?

They don't like it up 'em!

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19 May 2020 08:50 #20 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Kessler wrote: Considering that a lot of fans are on less income right now, is it fair to expect them to hand over what little disposable income they have, while the owner of the club sits on a 17 million pound fortune?


No, it isn't Simple as that

And the Day family trust [ the people who actually own EWM ] are worth a mere 300 million ] and who are reputed to have put a pause on the clubs revolving credit facility which is supposedly what's behind this begging bowl from the Trust. Let's hope people have long memories when this is over and don't forget about the people who were in a position to help BUT DIDNT.

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19 May 2020 09:01 #21 by Waltero
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Days worth 1.5 billion according to Sunday Times rich list

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19 May 2020 09:18 #22 by Bruntonpasty
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.....obviously it depends on who you view as the "owners" of the club, is it those who own the shares but have their fingers in the EWM vice? or is it EWM who can tighten that vice whenever they feel fit to?

They don't like it up 'em!

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19 May 2020 10:13 #23 by borderterrier
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Jenkins and Co have treated the fans with contempt. So much so the gates have dwindled. Faced with that they were forced to seek help from EWM. They are now realising that help may dry up and once again get the begging bowl out in an effort to prop up a rotten regime with the very people they treated with contempt.

It is my belief that CUFC is owned and run by (undisclosed). CLUBKILLERS
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19 May 2020 13:03 #24 by pacirv
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Was thinking I might have been willing to give some dosh until I saw that a certain Mr Jenkins approved no way am I giving a penny to the present owners. Different if it was a new regime as was supposedly in the offing months ago.
Must admit tho that if every one of even the regular home crowd gave even £20 it would be a decent amount.

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19 May 2020 13:23 #25 by Kessler
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I agree. I don't see how it will benefit the club in any way for fans to give money to a failed, tinpot regime that clearly has nothing but contempt for fans and has destroyed everything good about the club I love.

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19 May 2020 13:45 #26 by melbourneblues
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I hate Day having a hold on the club, how can you warm to a man who refuses to engage with the fans or the media, added to that his unscrupulous way of dealing with his staff I wish he would just piss off. I would rather he pulled the plug and take the chance we’d survive without him.

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19 May 2020 13:55 #27 by 09sider
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Rather than getting the begging bowl out, why don't the custodians discuss a sale with prospective buyers.

Hopefully the likes of Laffy and Lummys group have not been hit too hard by Covid and can still put a buyout package together.

Too stubborn and precious is the only reason they'd prefer to let the club die by a thousand cuts rather than realise their failings.

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19 May 2020 14:14 #28 by Laffy
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Count me out.Im happy to support the club and maybe sponsor the odd game but only on the proviso the ALL the cash is deployed in running the club and not debt reduction

There has never been a worse time to own a football club and having spurned numerous suitors, I’m afraid the situation could be alleviated by a simple model with a collective body of well heeled supporters sharing the burden.

As for the Trust, they have never raised anything meaningful, however admirable the cause.One has to ask why?
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19 May 2020 14:39 #29 by Mush
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Kessler wrote: Considering that a lot of fans are on less income right now, is it fair to expect them to hand over what little disposable income they have, while the owner of the club sits on a 17 million pound fortune?


Exactly!

The owners should invest more money, if they don't want to they should do one finally.

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19 May 2020 14:45 #30 by Waltero
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I doubt whether Semtex would move their arses out of the hole they've dug for themselves over the years.
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19 May 2020 15:13 #31 by Mullen103
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I’m sure this is well meant by the trust and no issue with them raising money.

But this money has no direction to it apart from “there’ll be transparency and it’ll be given to Carlisle United” and it’s supported by AJ (free money!) and NC (save his job) with no further explanation where the money will go.

I possibly would of got involved if it was directed.

Remember the club were happy to top of the 20% of furlough payments.

At least we’re not Stockport

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19 May 2020 15:46 #32 by Waltero
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As far as I'm concerned they're only doing what they should of been doing since they were formed. Too little too late for me. Should have liased with the London branch who know how to fund raise

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19 May 2020 16:02 #33 by Muffter
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Too little far too late for me. The trust has had years to attract business and investors to join them on board and utilise their 20 odd percent share holding into something really positive to help the club move forward. Instead they have done FA but watch Nixon and co slowly downgrade the club step by step and proudly announce that they have £1.5k in the bank at every AGM. Apart from the original Milesom money donation they have done more harm than good. So no I won’t be donating. I will renew my season tickets because it’s my club or our club as CB rightfully likes to say and that’s my lot!

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19 May 2020 16:25 #34 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Mullen103 wrote: I’m sure this is well meant by the trust and no issue with them raising money.

But this money has no direction to it apart from “there’ll be transparency and it’ll be given to Carlisle United” and it’s supported by AJ (free money!) and NC (save his job) with no further explanation where the money will go.

I possibly would of got involved if it was directed.

Remember the club were happy to top of the 20% of furlough payments.


As it's turned they didn't really have a lot of choice on that one as the PFA advised lge1and 2 players not to accept deferrals and from what I understand every club got a letter from the PFA solicitors pointing out that unless a club's players voluntarily offered to accept a pay reduction it would be accepted that players would not only get the 20% top-up but the rest of the salary as well which is exactly the stance CUFC took very early on and being fair to the club you have to commend them for the early decision to furlough, top up and pay the full wages.

Unfortunately, the players don't come out of it quite as well unlike a lot of other clubs they don't appear to have done anything in the community except that is for the young lads and of course the community side of the club of course and no sign of as they have done at other clubs where they are being paid in full where they've donated a sum equal to the 20% top-up to local charities but then again very few of them even live anywhere near the city or it seems have any affiliation to it.
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19 May 2020 17:43 #35 by Dancingbear
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I’d never have thought I’d be the only one so far to say they’d put summat in!!!

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19 May 2020 18:03 #36 by Mullen103
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Dancingbear wrote: I’d never have thought I’d be the only one so far to say they’d put summat in!!!


Not surprised - however there’ll be a few more that do.

I feel a tad guilty not giving as some on the trust have done well with the video etc.

But I can’t give to the “give us your money you [censored]” campaign

At least we’re not Stockport
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19 May 2020 18:05 #37 by Arragorn
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They are getting nowt from me.
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19 May 2020 18:36 #38 by whytakemypostcode
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melbourneblues wrote: I hate Day having a hold on the club, how can you warm to a man who refuses to engage with the fans or the media, added to that his unscrupulous way of dealing with his staff I wish he would just piss off. I would rather he pulled the plug and take the chance we’d survive without him.


... and take David Holdsworth with him.
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19 May 2020 20:10 #39 by Burneside Blue
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Ah the good old trust eh? As far as I've ever seen they've done extremely little for the past how many years? Then they wait untill the most uncertain and worrying financial time since the war and ask for money to fund a club owned by a millionaire and with a billionaire to turn to.... of course no one is obliged to contribute but the whole thing seems to me to be a bit poorly timed to say the least.
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19 May 2020 20:32 #40 by Waltero
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They've upset too many fans with their lack of ambition over the years to get us excited over their latest scheme
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19 May 2020 20:53 #41 by CCU
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They’re on BBCRC soon:


Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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20 May 2020 00:08 #42 by whytakemypostcode
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Meanwhile, as our revenue streams remain at zero:


Barrow A.F.C.
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We’ve been blown away by your support despite the current situation.

Online shop sales are up 1250% (yes, really) compared to this time last year and we’re working hard to get your orders to you safely!

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20 May 2020 00:18 #43 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Arragorn wrote: They are getting nowt from me.


Looks like Andrew Jenkins and Phillip Day are saying exactly the same

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20 May 2020 00:25 #44 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Burneside Blue wrote: Ah the good old trust eh? As far as I've ever seen they've done extremely little for the past how many years? Then they wait untill the most uncertain and worrying financial time since the war and ask for money to fund a club owned by a millionaire and with a billionaire to turn to.... of course no one is obliged to contribute but the whole thing seems to me to be a bit poorly timed to say the least.


There really is no point whatsoever the Trust raising funds when they are in debt to one of their members to the tune of 20k and who could in effect demand repayment at any time.

Wonder if they have the current fundraising effort ringfenced somehow if not you could find all you're doing is contributing to a certain Mr Steeles retirement fund.

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20 May 2020 06:13 #45 by Peekaboo Flo
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The [censored] running the club should get what they deserve, absolutely nothing!

Surprised people are considering putting a penny in to be honest. Nowt against the trust (tho there is probably plenty), the money again will ultimately be used to prop up our failing/stubborn custodians.

I’d rather they did something for a local charity. I might have chucked a tenner in then.

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20 May 2020 07:53 #46 by Kessler
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I think CUOSC need to realize (and this backlash might be showing them) a lot of fans will never donate as long as Jenkins Nixon and Patt remain at the helm. It's all very well to talk about supporting the club through a difficult time, but many of us just don't see that the club actually has a future or any sort of prospects with those three. I can't speak for everyone but I'm sure there would be much more willingness to donate if there was a change of ownership. And if that new owner gives a pay rise to all staff that would be even more appreciated...

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20 May 2020 12:05 #47 by 1954Blue
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I dont know if this has been mentioned elsewhere but I wonder of the FL have thought of possible reconstruction of the leagues as a temporary measure in an effort to save money.

You could split Division 2 into 2 leagues of 12 on a North/South basis, with Barrow hopefully bringing the number of clubs back up to 24. You could then use the SP model of playing everyone three times then split the league into upper 6 and lower 6 with 5 more games in your tier. Not ideal but a possible cost saver for all clubs involved. You could even do the same in Division 1 but they dont seem able to agree about anything at the moment.

Who would end up in Division 2 North? A little geographical exercise for someone.

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20 May 2020 15:14 #48 by Lakelandterrier
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I don't think that any money raised will go to the club without it being ring fenced for what the fans want it to.
The drive is as what it says in the title - Carlisle ReUnited.

Its a chance for us all to rally up and work together, and give our club a fighting chance.
I would like to see the owners of the club to match pound for pound raised by CUOSC.

Would fans get behind that?

We need to get together as fans to keep the club we love andvto take it further. Fans and sponsors can and will make a change.

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20 May 2020 15:40 #49 by thetashkentterror
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I don't see why the fans should have to do anything.

The board wouldn't put the club up for sale properly or look for a buyer properly.

They then ran out of money (or Jenkins wouldn't put any more in).

They still wouldn't put the club up for sale properly and ended up cap in hand with EWM to bail them out with loans.

The board have told the fans absolutely nothing in regards to any possible takeover by EWM.
The board have also treated the fans with contempt twice in that regard, not giving a toss that they have got themselves into bed with a company that also treats the fans with total contempt by not telling them anything regarding a potential takeover either.

There are two potential things that would work in the long term.

1. The board properly put the club for sale and actively find a buyer.

2. EWM stop arseing the lot of us about, take the club over and invest in it.

Having said that, I wouldn't trust EWM with a bargepole, they have acted worse than the board as far as communication is concerned. All they are doing at the moment is propping up a failed regime that the majority (?) of the fans want to see the back of.

What is not a long-term solution is being mugged off by a multi-millionaire and a billionaire, the trust and the rest of the board to raise a few thousand pounds to pay a few bills while all of them do absolutely nothing as far as a takeover is concerned.
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20 May 2020 15:45 #50 by CCU
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Lakelandterrier wrote: I would like to see the owners of the club to match pound for pound raised by CUOSC.

Would fans get behind that?


If the Three Amigo’s had kickstarted the Fund with say £5/10k each then folk would’ve went ‘fair play’ and maybe put aside differences in the current climate.

Anything now would be shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted...

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