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02 Aug 2016 08:45 #101 by Northumbrian
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: I just wonder at what point the wages we have paid him since his contract expired will be greater than the compensation we would get ?

In this situation i cant see us winning this one lets say the compensation figure is 25k and hes on 500 quid a week so at what point do we cut our losses ?

After 50 weeks when he then in week 51 signs for someone else we get nothing and its cost us 25k [and in a liklihood he.ll pick up the 25k as a signing on fee ]

The whole things a mess and you cant believe that it was set up to work like this

I don't think we have to go on paying them indefinitely once they are out of contract to retain their registration for compensation... it is only for a certain period if I remember correctly... can't for the life of me remember what it is though.

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02 Aug 2016 10:07 - 02 Aug 2016 10:12 #102 by musher441
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seabird wrote: We haven't signed another RB yet so I assume he is still in the frame


Weve still got Atkinson aswell remember.
He proved last season he can play at rb when needed.
Admittedly not as good as Miller going forward, and probably better at cb, but a very capable rb nonetheless.
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02 Aug 2016 10:09 #103 by sirjimmyglass
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Yeah there's no way we'd be paying him forever, just to keep the compensation. Something will either have been in his contract or the rules of footballers' contracts that protects us from him doing this to us, while not turning up for work.

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02 Aug 2016 10:31 #104 by Armo
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"64.3 Subject to the provisions of this Regulation 64, any Club which makes an offer in accordance with Regulation 64.2 of re engagement to a Contract Player who is an Under 24 Player and which is in the opinion of the Board not less favourable than the Player's current contractual terms, shall be entitled to a Compensation Fee in respect of the loss of the Player's registration, should the Player sign for another Club. In order to comply with this Regulation, the annual value of the terms offered must be at least equivalent to the most favourable year's terms in the Player's previous contract. The terms offered to Players for re engagements must be as favourable overall except that a signing on fee included in the previous contract and stated to be a once only payment need not be repeated. Copies of all offers of re engagement made to Contract Players must be sent to The League.

64.4 The Player must notify in writing the Club holding his registration within one month of the date on which notification of the said terms of re engagement were sent, whether or not he accepts their offer of re engagement. If the Player has not replied in writing to the Club's offer of re engagement by 30 June, the offer shall automatically lapse. In the case of an Under 24 Player, the Club's compensation rights shall not be affected.

64.5 If by or following the expiry date of the Player's contract the Club holding the Player's registration and any other Club which subsequently obtains or is then negotiating to obtain such registration have not reached agreement on the amount of Compensation Fee payable either of the Clubs concerned or the Player shall have the right to request that the fee be determined by the Professional Football Compensation Committee in accordance with Regulation 65, and in the event of such right being exercised, it or he shall inform the other such parties and the Secretary of the Professional Football Compensation Committee forthwith. Both such Clubs shall provide the Professional Football Compensation Committee with all relevant information. The Professional Football Compensation Committee shall as soon as possible determine the amount of Compensation Fee and its determination shall be final and binding."
www.efl.com/global/section6.aspx

That, to me, sounds like we didn't need to pay him past 1st July and we don't have to honour the contract offer we gave him.

Irrelevant though, he'll end up in the SPL and we'll get nowt.

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02 Aug 2016 13:12 #105 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Armo wrote: "64.3 Subject to the provisions of this Regulation 64, any Club which makes an offer in accordance with Regulation 64.2 of re engagement to a Contract Player who is an Under 24 Player and which is in the opinion of the Board not less favourable than the Player's current contractual terms, shall be entitled to a Compensation Fee in respect of the loss of the Player's registration, should the Player sign for another Club. In order to comply with this Regulation, the annual value of the terms offered must be at least equivalent to the most favourable year's terms in the Player's previous contract. The terms offered to Players for re engagements must be as favourable overall except that a signing on fee included in the previous contract and stated to be a once only payment need not be repeated. Copies of all offers of re engagement made to Contract Players must be sent to The League.

64.4 The Player must notify in writing the Club holding his registration within one month of the date on which notification of the said terms of re engagement were sent, whether or not he accepts their offer of re engagement. If the Player has not replied in writing to the Club's offer of re engagement by 30 June, the offer shall automatically lapse. In the case of an Under 24 Player, the Club's compensation rights shall not be affected.

64.5 If by or following the expiry date of the Player's contract the Club holding the Player's registration and any other Club which subsequently obtains or is then negotiating to obtain such registration have not reached agreement on the amount of Compensation Fee payable either of the Clubs concerned or the Player shall have the right to request that the fee be determined by the Professional Football Compensation Committee in accordance with Regulation 65, and in the event of such right being exercised, it or he shall inform the other such parties and the Secretary of the Professional Football Compensation Committee forthwith. Both such Clubs shall provide the Professional Football Compensation Committee with all relevant information. The Professional Football Compensation Committee shall as soon as possible determine the amount of Compensation Fee and its determination shall be final and binding."
www.efl.com/global/section6.aspx

That, to me, sounds like we didn't need to pay him past 1st July and we don't have to honour the contract offer we gave him.

Irrelevant though, he'll end up in the SPL and we'll get nowt.


That loophole has effectively been closed now just a different method of determining the amount. I.m told Accrington got between 75 and 100k when Windass and his mate signed for Rangers in those circumstances.

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02 Aug 2016 13:21 #106 by bruntonpete
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Just ask nixon tonight.

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03 Aug 2016 23:39 #107 by CCU
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05 Aug 2016 21:47 #108 by seesaw50
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So tomorrow Alex is :
out shopping? At the cinema? or having a chat with KC ? ( or was that today?)

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05 Aug 2016 23:39 #109 by triskelionblue
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Maybe his attitude is why he didn't make it at Tottenham?

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06 Aug 2016 00:24 #110 by cufcmike
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If another club wanted him, he'd have signed for them by now. I get the vibe he wants to be released so that he's more free in who he talks to, with there being no compensation needed.

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06 Aug 2016 09:04 #111 by FishIslandBlues
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I agree he wants to go on a free and he's probably got a deal with a club lined up but they dont want to pay any compensation. I hope the club stand strong on this we developed his first season in league football very well.

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06 Aug 2016 09:15 #112 by CCU
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Utterly ridiculous we're still entertaining him. He was offered a deal 3 months ago! Should have been withdrawn and told to do one by the start of the week. As for compo, we'd get £10k if we were lucky, are we that desperate for it?!

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06 Aug 2016 09:23 #113 by Stamfordblue
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The lad is obviously not being advised very well. As for compo why should we give up the chance of it even 10k would be welcome in the clubs coffers

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06 Aug 2016 10:49 #114 by Armo
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Doesn't matter if it was £5 compensation.

If the club don't stand strong on this we'll have the situation time and time again.
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06 Aug 2016 11:12 #115 by cufcmike
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Stamfordblue wrote: The lad is obviously not being advised very well. As for compo why should we give up the chance of it even 10k would be welcome in the clubs coffers


10k is pocket change. We have a billionaire waiting to invest. Did you not hear?
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06 Aug 2016 14:13 #116 by SeepBladder
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£10K would cover two months repayments on the Pioneer loan.

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06 Aug 2016 15:50 #117 by Dancingbear
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SeepBladder wrote: £10K would cover two months repayments on the Pioneer loan.


Or half of what John Nixon is owed.

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06 Aug 2016 21:15 #118 by franksidebottom
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What have we got to lose by leaving the offer there?

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06 Aug 2016 21:43 #119 by seesaw50
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Noted..James Phillips didn't ask KC about the current situation post match

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06 Aug 2016 22:00 #120 by Dancingbear
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franksidebottom wrote: What have we got to lose by leaving the offer there?


Only thing we've got to lose is he decides to accept it if Curle doesn't want him. Not sure how we stand on that though seeing as he's already turned it down. Doubt it makes a difference though.

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08 Aug 2016 09:12 #121 by Mortonblue
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Mcqueen has texted Curle on Friday, he is ringing him on Wednesday to arrange a meeting this week.

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08 Aug 2016 09:16 - 08 Aug 2016 09:17 #122 by chesterviabothel
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Mortonblue wrote: Mcqueen has texted Curle on Friday, he is ringing him on Wednesday to arrange a meeting this week.


Full story: OS link.

I like how KC has dealt with this, AM text on Friday saying he wants to meet asap this week - KC's response: we've got a game Sat and Tues, call me Wednesday. I can't help but think this ploy by McQueen (or his agent) has done nothing but weaken his position - he's clearly not been offered anything better, or higher up the league pyramid.
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08 Aug 2016 09:19 #123 by wetheriggscufc
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Tail between legs time for McQueen and more likely his agent, could end up back with us on a reduced wage.
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08 Aug 2016 09:44 #124 by BlueAl
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Ring, ring, click. :)
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08 Aug 2016 10:16 #125 by Zebby
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This has gone badly for both sides, although we have played the right game but as there seems to be no club willing to take him with possible fees to pay then its time to cut him free...No way should he be anywhere near that changing room,look at that fighting performance on Saturday,do we want someone who thinks he better than us in that squad possibly disrupting morale?

He would get dogs abuse from sections of crowd which could couse a bad atmosphere and spread

No he has pissed on his chips

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08 Aug 2016 11:04 #126 by nobbyblue
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If he' says he's decided to accept the offer tell him we'll get back to him. Keep him hanging on for a few weeks and then tell him to [censored] off.

That's what I would do anyway.

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08 Aug 2016 11:26 - 08 Aug 2016 11:28 #127 by DeckchairBlue
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Surprised KC didn't ignore his text. He said a couple of weeks ago that he didn't want to communicate by text or email anymore didn't he ?

At the very least we should insist that he won't get paid until he is fit enough to figure in the 1st team.

This does have the makings of another Paynter situation.
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08 Aug 2016 12:04 #128 by CheadleBlue
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Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?
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08 Aug 2016 12:13 - 08 Aug 2016 12:15 #129 by nobbyblue
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CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Peter Murphy rules though. :)

Why didn't McQueen keep in touch though. The grass isn't always greener.

Always be nice to people on the way up. You might meet them again on the way doon!
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08 Aug 2016 12:14 #130 by Dancingbear
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CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.

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08 Aug 2016 12:19 #131 by DeckchairBlue
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Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


It was also after Murphy had just won back to back promotions and just missed out on league 1 playoffs, and got a call up for ROI. So he probably thought he could make the step up.

Whereas McQueen has spent 1 playing real football as a rotation in a mid table league 2 team.

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08 Aug 2016 12:31 - 08 Aug 2016 12:32 #132 by MerseysideBlue
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Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


Murphy returned for the start of pre-season training that summer and he actually turned down the contract rather than keep us hanging.

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08 Aug 2016 12:34 #133 by CheadleBlue
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


It was also after Murphy had just won back to back promotions and just missed out on league 1 playoffs, and got a call up for ROI. So he probably thought he could make the step up.

Whereas McQueen has spent 1 playing real football as a rotation in a mid table league 2 team.

Don't feel the need to defend Murphy, I'm not criticising him.

If McQueen's biggest crime is what he chooses to do in his spare time he can't have done that much wrong.

If Curle welcomes him back into the squad then so will I. If he turns out to be a bad apple or not give 100% I'll criticise him then, not now.

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08 Aug 2016 13:27 #134 by seesaw50
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Shot himself in the foot springs to mind!

Funny carry on I have to say.

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08 Aug 2016 13:40 #135 by Dancingbear
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CheadleBlue wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


It was also after Murphy had just won back to back promotions and just missed out on league 1 playoffs, and got a call up for ROI. So he probably thought he could make the step up.

Whereas McQueen has spent 1 playing real football as a rotation in a mid table league 2 team.

Don't feel the need to defend Murphy, I'm not criticising him.

If McQueen's biggest crime is what he chooses to do in his spare time he can't have done that much wrong.

If Curle welcomes him back into the squad then so will I. If he turns out to be a bad apple or not give 100% I'll criticise him then, not now.


If he's done nowt wrong then maybe the full squad should give pre season training a miss and text the manager the day before the season starts. I honestly can't see how anyone can be siding with McQueen on this unless they're on a wind up.

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08 Aug 2016 13:53 #136 by lbtufty
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I've just received a copy of McQueen's text to Keith.....

"My smmr hols been g8 bro but wld u lk 2 tlk nxt wk cuz bored l8ly. C yer, AM"

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08 Aug 2016 15:28 #137 by CheadleBlue
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Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


It was also after Murphy had just won back to back promotions and just missed out on league 1 playoffs, and got a call up for ROI. So he probably thought he could make the step up.

Whereas McQueen has spent 1 playing real football as a rotation in a mid table league 2 team.

Don't feel the need to defend Murphy, I'm not criticising him.

If McQueen's biggest crime is what he chooses to do in his spare time he can't have done that much wrong.

If Curle welcomes him back into the squad then so will I. If he turns out to be a bad apple or not give 100% I'll criticise him then, not now.


If he's done nowt wrong then maybe the full squad should give pre season training a miss and text the manager the day before the season starts. I honestly can't see how anyone can be siding with McQueen on this unless they're on a wind up.

He was out of contract and has been offered a new deal. Why does he have to sign it if he isn't happy with it? Tom Miller didn't get back to us straight away.

Like I said, some club might have said they were going to offer him something better and let him down. I'm sure he'd have preferred to have everything sorted by now. I doubt very much he sat down at the end of last season and thought "I'm going to [censored] Curle and Carlisle about all summer and have nothing sorted by the first game".

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08 Aug 2016 15:35 #138 by TheLazyLewisGuy
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Knew i read somewhere he had turned it down “The situation with him is a simple one. We made him an offer of a contract and, as is his right, he turned it down."

We've (KC has) given him a chance in professional football, we haven't offered him reduced terms on his previous deal. Do you not think he owes Keith a bit of respect to want to get in touch and get it sorted out? Seems to be a lot of talk about his parents and agent, he's a grown man for god sake.
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08 Aug 2016 16:51 #139 by Dancingbear
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CheadleBlue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


It was also after Murphy had just won back to back promotions and just missed out on league 1 playoffs, and got a call up for ROI. So he probably thought he could make the step up.

Whereas McQueen has spent 1 playing real football as a rotation in a mid table league 2 team.

Don't feel the need to defend Murphy, I'm not criticising him.

If McQueen's biggest crime is what he chooses to do in his spare time he can't have done that much wrong.

If Curle welcomes him back into the squad then so will I. If he turns out to be a bad apple or not give 100% I'll criticise him then, not now.


If he's done nowt wrong then maybe the full squad should give pre season training a miss and text the manager the day before the season starts. I honestly can't see how anyone can be siding with McQueen on this unless they're on a wind up.

He was out of contract and has been offered a new deal. Why does he have to sign it if he isn't happy with it? Tom Miller didn't get back to us straight away.

Like I said, some club might have said they were going to offer him something better and let him down. I'm sure he'd have preferred to have everything sorted by now. I doubt very much he sat down at the end of last season and thought "I'm going to [censored] Curle and Carlisle about all summer and have nothing sorted by the first game".


And like i said where would we be if every player decided not to show up and texted the manager the day before the first game?.

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08 Aug 2016 19:47 #140 by CheadleBlue
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Not every player was out of contract so didn't have the right to go shopping themselves around. McQueen himself probably wishes he'd had this sorted out before now, but I'm not going to give the lad a load of abuse just because he (and the club) haven't reached an agreement yet.

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09 Aug 2016 07:57 #141 by Stjimmy
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Im sure Keith curled will do exactly the same to us one day, soon as he gets the chance of a bigger club that's just the way it is nowadays .

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09 Aug 2016 08:20 #142 by CCU
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This looks like it boils down to the fact Curle must like McQueen to even consider still taking him back. No way it would still be dragging on otherwise...

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09 Aug 2016 08:22 #143 by walwynlegend
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Whether you rate Curle as a manager doesn't matter.
I'm sure he would have more class than to not respond to calls and post twitter photos looking flash with comments like ring ring click.
I'm also sure when he was a player he wouldn't have missed the entire pre season training before saying he was ready to talk about a new contract.
McQueen was ok as a player but I hope we don't agree terms with him now.

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CCU wrote: This looks like it boils down to the fact Curle must like McQueen to even consider still taking him back. No way it would still be dragging on otherwise...


Either that or Curly Keith knows the level of clubs who.ve been taking an interest over the last 12 months and is aware that the figure of compo coming our way would make playing along with him for a while worth it to his playing/transfer budget.

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09 Aug 2016 08:43 #145 by Lufbrablue
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walwynlegend wrote: Whether you rate Curle as a manager doesn't matter.
I'm sure he would have more class than to not respond to calls and post twitter photos looking flash with comments like ring ring click.
I'm also sure when he was a player he wouldn't have missed the entire pre season training before saying he was ready to talk about a new contract.
McQueen was ok as a player but I hope we don't agree terms with him now.


Dread to think what would have happened to Curle if he had pulled that stunt at Wimbledon. Vinnie Jones and Fashanu would have brought him back down to earth

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09 Aug 2016 08:53 #146 by Northumbrian
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


It was also after Murphy had just won back to back promotions and just missed out on league 1 playoffs, and got a call up for ROI. So he probably thought he could make the step up.

Whereas McQueen has spent 1 playing real football as a rotation in a mid table league 2 team.

You have to remember this works both ways... football clubs, including ours, show footballers no loyalty whatsoever, so why the hell should the players show unconditional loyalty? To use the Murphy example, I know for a fact that one season he shook on a new contract with the club before heading off on holiday.... when he returned the same individual at the club said that the handshake meant nothing and the offer wasn't on the table anymore (I think it was Nixon... might have been Pattinson... can't remember any more). They knew that Murphy would be have two fewer weeks to negotiate a deal and I guess hoped he would take a lower offer. Murph didn't even use an agent at that stage. He spoke to Bridges in Australia about it and he got his agent on the case and quickly had other offers on the table... Carlisle buckled and offered him the deal he wanted. Long story I know but it demonstrates the way the current owners have treated players at this club.

It is a business... why would you take a lower wage when you think you could get a higher wage? If the club had valued him so much they should have offered him a longer contract in the first place. The fact he is posting stuff on social media is irritating but ultimately the lad hasn't done anything outside the rules... we just need to leave the offer on the table and he either takes it or we get compensation.

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09 Aug 2016 08:55 #147 by bluestblue
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If McQueen does re-sign, I see him straight out on a half season loan to let the dust settle

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09 Aug 2016 09:08 #148 by Dancingbear
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Northumbrian wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

CheadleBlue wrote: Some of the criticism is over the top. The lad has tried to better himself - it now looks like he's not going to be able to. Who knows what has happened, maybe some clubs further up the pyramid have told him they were interested and have let him down, or his agent has over promised on what he could get him.

He might appreciate how lucky he is to be somewhere he is wanted. Didn't Peter Murphy once spend a summer trying to get himself a move to a championship club?


Yeah he did but at a guess i think he prob didnt put pics of himself all over social media at just about every festival in SE England when he should have been pre season training.


It was also after Murphy had just won back to back promotions and just missed out on league 1 playoffs, and got a call up for ROI. So he probably thought he could make the step up.

Whereas McQueen has spent 1 playing real football as a rotation in a mid table league 2 team.

You have to remember this works both ways... football clubs, including ours, show footballers no loyalty whatsoever, so why the hell should the players show unconditional loyalty? To use the Murphy example, I know for a fact that one season he shook on a new contract with the club before heading off on holiday.... when he returned the same individual at the club said that the handshake meant nothing and the offer wasn't on the table anymore (I think it was Nixon... might have been Pattinson... can't remember any more). They knew that Murphy would be have two fewer weeks to negotiate a deal and I guess hoped he would take a lower offer. Murph didn't even use an agent at that stage. He spoke to Bridges in Australia about it and he got his agent on the case and quickly had other offers on the table... Carlisle buckled and offered him the deal he wanted. Long story I know but it demonstrates the way the current owners have treated players at this club.

It is a business... why would you take a lower wage when you think you could get a higher wage? If the club had valued him so much they should have offered him a longer contract in the first place. The fact he is posting stuff on social media is irritating but ultimately the lad hasn't done anything outside the rules... we just need to leave the offer on the table and he either takes it or we get compensation.


I agree partially but surely youd have it sorted before texting your current employer the day before the season starts?. Try your luck by all means but i dont think you should take the whole summer off when the rest of the squad are in training. He probably hasnt even met half the players and that cant be good for anyone.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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09 Aug 2016 09:09 #149 by CCU
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bluestblue wrote: If McQueen does re-sign, I see him straight out on a half season loan to let the dust settle


That would be the biggest waste of time ever! If he does sign, he goes into the squad...

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09 Aug 2016 09:10 - 09 Aug 2016 09:10 #150 by CCU
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Oh, and if he does sign, give him number 24 instead of that stupid bloody 44 as his squad number!

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