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15 Jul 2016 07:48 #51 by DeckchairBlue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

Windermerelad wrote: Agreed, Northernsoul is in a dream world


So lets get this right you think 22 year old premier league first team squad players are on less than a grand a week ?

Its you guys who are in dreamworld.

But as it happens the talk of AQ and a premier league club are a load of crap hes training with a championship club and definitely wont be returning to Carlisle.


That's not what was said, if McQueen signed for a prem team he wouldn't be anywhere near the first team.

As a comparison, when Dele Alli signed for Spurs he was on 10k a week, McQueen is nowhere near that ability,

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15 Jul 2016 10:25 #52 by bluestblue
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I remember something similar to this with Tom Taiwo a year or two back.

Don't we have to continue to pay McQueen, even after the nominal expiry of his contract, to enable us to get compensation?

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15 Jul 2016 13:32 #53 by loser
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hiveblue wrote: According to Jon Colman on Twitter,Curle said they'd heard McQueen was training with another club.

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Off he can [censored] then. Another player aiming too high before they are ready. Hope he enjoys warming benches.

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15 Jul 2016 13:55 #54 by NORTHERNSOUL
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TheLazyLewisGuy wrote: We will have paid 50% of Gillespheys contract, i reckon that will have been around £500


Well i.d say it would be more than a grand but lets say a grand

So how much would you think Armstrong would be on there.

I know for a fact that Burnley have this week added players to their development squad who are on more than a grand a week.

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16 Jul 2016 17:00 - 16 Jul 2016 18:51 #55 by TheLazyLewisGuy
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Wasn't mcqueen.
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16 Jul 2016 19:00 #56 by NORTHERNSOUL
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If a club like Bournmouth were signing players of McQueens age it would have to be with a veiw to being a first team squad player as they dont have a formal development squad set up.

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16 Jul 2016 22:25 - 16 Jul 2016 22:29 #57 by DeckchairBlue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: If a club like Bournmouth were signing players of McQueens age it would have to be with a veiw to being a first team squad player as they dont have a formal development squad set up.


A club like Bournemouth wouldn't be signing a player like mcqueen to play in their 1st team. However you are wrong, in that they do have a development squad.

www.bournemouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=438478

m.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11275173.AF...team_league/?ref=arc
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16 Jul 2016 22:47 - 16 Jul 2016 22:54 #58 by NORTHERNSOUL
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote: If a club like Bournmouth were signing players of McQueens age it would have to be with a veiw to being a first team squad player as they dont have a formal development squad set up.


A club like Bournemouth wouldn't be signing a player like mcqueen to play in their 1st team. However you are wrong, in that they do have a development squad.

www.bournemouth.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=438478

m.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/11275173.AF...team_league/?ref=arc


Reading the second article it doesnt make sense it says they are only cat 3 and i.m bloody sure that Cambridge United dont have the resources to run a proper development squad yet are in that league as well so maybe its an ad hoc thing that theyre allowed to enter for a couple of years.while setting up a proper programme.

When i get home on Monday i.ll ask my man who knows but a quick check on the PL site doesnt say that they have.. Mind you that article is 2 years old so things may have changed since then.

If you want to see how a proper integrated [programme that includes full progression from academy to youth team to development squad to reserves to first team without throwing PL type money at it take a look at Blackburn whos teams compete successfully against the PL sides on a fraction of the budget
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16 Jul 2016 23:02 #59 by DeckchairBlue
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It makes sense doing it because it massively saves on costs of recruiting players, more so at the higher levels than ours.

Bournemouth definitely have one though, Stephen Purches runs it.

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21 Jul 2016 10:08 #60 by chesterviabothel
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According to the article on the OS this morning (link) , he's turned down our initial offer and his agent has come back and asked if we're prepared to up the offer - but Curle won't negotiate if it's not face to face "Personally, and I won’t change on this, I think negotiations need to be done face to face with Alex, his parents and his representatives. I don’t think things like this can be done by text, over WhatsApp, or by email." Fair enough if you ask me!

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21 Jul 2016 10:14 #61 by orfc
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"Personally, and I won’t change on this, I think negotiations need to be done face to face with Alex, his parents and his representatives"

He's 21, why does he need his mum there?
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21 Jul 2016 10:44 #62 by chesterviabothel
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orfc wrote: "Personally, and I won’t change on this, I think negotiations need to be done face to face with Alex, his parents and his representatives"

He's 21, why does he need his mum there?


I guess that's how he's done it previously?

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31 Jul 2016 19:28 #63 by chesterviabothel
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Not sure if this is a music lyric reference or a comment re clubs contacting him or what? "Ring, ring, click. I'll get back to them". He's in danger of ending up with no club, surely he's already way behind on fitness.

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31 Jul 2016 19:38 #64 by ParcelPete
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I hope he rings to say he wants to stay and Curle tells him to PI55 off.

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31 Jul 2016 19:59 #65 by RonBacardi
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31 Jul 2016 20:12 #66 by lbtufty
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Good to see that his parking is as feckin' solid as his defending.

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31 Jul 2016 20:44 - 31 Jul 2016 20:45 #67 by beefsister
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I wouldn't want him anywhere near BP, even if he comes crawling back begging.

Clearly has an overinflated opinion of his own ability. He was given a chance here after being released by Spurs - I wouldn't have imagined they were queueing to sign him last summer and he has shown little respect to the Club, whether it be him or his agent that is messing us around.
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31 Jul 2016 20:50 #68 by Dancingbear
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Has his agent done all 233 likes?

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31 Jul 2016 21:04 #69 by DeckchairBlue
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He appears to be trying to embody everything that's wrong with football.

He's a squad player at a league 2 club and thinks he's big time.

Surely this goes completely against KC's 'work hard and be rewarded' mantra and only having players that want to be at the club.

He's easily replaceable, it's not like prem youth teams don't churn players just like him out every season.
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31 Jul 2016 21:10 #70 by CCU
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A Google of the quote produces some bollocks 'rap' song by French Montana feat Drake...

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31 Jul 2016 21:15 #71 by TheLazyLewisGuy
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Wonder what car he'll be standing in front of in 10 years if he doesn't get a club.

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31 Jul 2016 21:39 #72 by NORTHERNSOUL
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TheLazyLewisGuy wrote: Wonder what car he'll be standing in front of in 10 years if he doesn't get a club.


Be a lot less than that i.d imagine a couple of weeks after we stop paying him the leasing company will be wanting to know how he intends keeping up the repayments.

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31 Jul 2016 23:42 #73 by thefoot
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I liked him as a player, but this attitude stinks.

I wonder if he's heard of Alex Marrow?

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01 Aug 2016 00:10 #74 by NORTHERNSOUL
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As i said a while ago we should continue to pay him so as to be entitled to any compensation that may become due to us

But inform him thats its club policy that players in his position collect and sign for them personally on a weekly basis.

That should give him a chance to put a few miles on the motor before they take it off him..
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01 Aug 2016 06:49 #75 by Mush
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Modern day footballer + social media = a d*** :(

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01 Aug 2016 09:38 - 01 Aug 2016 09:41 #76 by musher441
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It's not often I use this word, but he looks a right [censored] in that picture, with his smug grin and stupid shoes.
And he has acted like a right [censored] with us throughout the summer.
Club should tell him to [censored] off right now. Sod the compensation money.
And someone needs to inform him that he's not nearly as important as he seems to think he is.
Hope he ends up on the scrapheap.D*ck head.
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01 Aug 2016 09:45 #77 by Dancingbear
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musher441 wrote: It's not often I use this word, but he looks a right [censored] in that picture, with his smug grin and stupid shoes.
And he has acted like a right [censored] with us throughout the summer.
Club should tell him to [censored] off right now. Sod the compensation money.
And someone needs to inform him that he's not nearly as important as he seems to think he is.
Hope he ends up on the scrapheap.D*ck head.


Totally agree. Only problem is thats maybe what he wants. Maybe soul is right they should only pay him in person or maybe theres something that says he doesnt get paid if he doesnt train and withhold the wages somewhere.

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01 Aug 2016 09:54 - 01 Aug 2016 09:55 #78 by seesaw50
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Not sure why 5 days from ko of the new season this situation is still unresolved .....another footballing question for the forum panel who may not know the exact position/answer

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01 Aug 2016 10:02 #79 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote: Not sure why 5 days from ko of the new season this situation is still unresolved .....another footballing question for the forum panel who may not know the exact position/answer

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Its not resolved because if we release him we wont get compensation when he signs for another club. To do that we need to have a contract on the table at least equivalent to the one he was on last season. I think its pretty clear he doesnt want to come back and if he was as good as he thinks surely there would be any number of clubs prepared to pay a little bit of compen. I doubt a backup up player at a mid table league 2 team would command a big fee at tribunal.

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01 Aug 2016 10:24 #80 by TheLazyLewisGuy
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seesaw50 wrote: Not sure why 5 days from ko of the new season this situation is still unresolved .....another footballing question for the forum panel who may not know the exact position/answer

??


It is resolved. Keith said he rejected the deal, its up to us now to go back with another offer but as it stands McQueen is not a Carlisle player.

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01 Aug 2016 10:30 #81 by Dancingbear
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TheLazyLewisGuy wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: Not sure why 5 days from ko of the new season this situation is still unresolved .....another footballing question for the forum panel who may not know the exact position/answer

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It is resolved. Keith said he rejected the deal, its up to us now to go back with another offer but as it stands McQueen is not a Carlisle player.


Really?. If we at least matched his previous deal dont we hold his registration so were due compen if he signs for someone else?

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01 Aug 2016 11:12 #82 by bruntonpete
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Personally I thought he was crap. Yes he had pace, yes his crossing was improving but at no time did I think'we have some player/potential here'. If going for compensation is our game then all very good but he isn't a player we should be chasing.
A typical, arrogant little footballer who thinks he is something he isn't. If he didn't have the football talent he would be just another bling boy on the London streets.
I hate the way agents talk for them and make them look even worse than they actual are too. The boy had a chance with us. He may very well get a chance elsewhere too but the way he has behaved, hasn't endeared him to anyone. Shame.
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01 Aug 2016 11:45 #83 by lummy8
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Quite a sad/frustrating one this.

McQueen was a young lad who had potential in his first proper season in real football, not U21 garbage. He showed at times what a good player he maybe could become, but also showed what flaws he had also, as Curle said, he was a "project".

This season was massive to him in my opinion, and I thought the best thing for him would be to stay, sign the incentive based contract, hit your targets, play first team football, and then bigger teams would come looking. He would then have proved he could handle first team football and not have to train everyday with a higher club and end up in the U21 league again on a monday night or whatever, with people in exactly the same position as him.

I always found him to be a really nice lad, his mam and sister travelled to every match to watch him, even there when he was in the stands.

The photo could be referring to anything, but agreed it comes across as your stereotypical young footballer these days, hopefully not the case.
As I say, I think he should have signed on here, I have a bad feeling that in 2 years he may be plying his trade in Conference South somewhere if he is not given the right advice.

Such a shame, but wont be the first or last.

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01 Aug 2016 11:51 #84 by bruntonpete
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lummy8 wrote: Quite a sad/frustrating one this.

McQueen was a young lad who had potential in his first proper season in real football, not U21 garbage. He showed at times what a good player he maybe could become, but also showed what flaws he had also, as Curle said, he was a "project".

This season was massive to him in my opinion, and I thought the best thing for him would be to stay, sign the incentive based contract, hit your targets, play first team football, and then bigger teams would come looking. He would then have proved he could handle first team football and not have to train everyday with a higher club and end up in the U21 league again on a monday night or whatever, with people in exactly the same position as him.

I always found him to be a really nice lad, his mam and sister travelled to every match to watch him, even there when he was in the stands.

The photo could be referring to anything, but agreed it comes across as your stereotypical young footballer these days, hopefully not the case.
As I say, I think he should have signed on here, I have a bad feeling that in 2 years he may be plying his trade in Conference South somewhere if he is not given the right advice.

Such a shame, but wont be the first or last.


It is wrong to judge his character based on tweets and actions of an agent but he doesn't help his cause. Lack of communication causes anger and suspicion. Where have we heard that before?
The u21 league isn't the football he needs like you say. Competitive football will do him the world of good.
That said, he might get that in the EFL trophy for a season. What a joke.

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01 Aug 2016 13:18 #85 by Zebby
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Seems he is in a bit of a catch 22 situation he doesn't want to be here and would im sure not be short of offers if we were not due compensation...

I don't see why we should back down as every penny counts

Sadly for him it appears he hasn't got the appetite to knuckle down and make the most of his talents and riches it could bring

Maybe he would prefer to be folding t shirts in top shop eh..

Be just and fear not

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01 Aug 2016 13:53 #86 by TheLazyLewisGuy
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Also you can only get compensation if you have offered the player an improved deal.

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01 Aug 2016 14:45 #87 by Northumbrian
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TheLazyLewisGuy wrote: Also you can only get compensation if you have offered the player an improved deal.

I would assume we did. There is no reason to worry.... we continue to hold his player registration and would get compensation whenever he signs for a new club... be that a week or a year. We have to continue paying him for a period after the contract has expired I believe. Perhaps somebody could clarify how long we need to pay him, as we don't have to continue paying him indefinitely once he is out of contract.

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01 Aug 2016 15:20 #88 by nobbyblue
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bruntonpete wrote: Personally I thought he was crap. Yes he had pace, yes his crossing was improving but at no time did I think'we have some player/potential here'. If going for compensation is our game then all very good but he isn't a player we should be chasing.
A typical, arrogant little footballer who thinks he is something he isn't. If he didn't have the football talent he would be just another bling boy on the London streets.
I hate the way agents talk for them and make them look even worse than they actual are too. The boy had a chance with us. He may very well get a chance elsewhere too but the way he has behaved, hasn't endeared him to anyone. Shame.


He certainly wasn't crap and fits the bill for a modern day footballer - quick and athletic, Certainly not a full back in a back four but was ok as a wing back or maybe a winger.
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01 Aug 2016 15:29 - 01 Aug 2016 15:31 #89 by moose
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TheLazyLewisGuy wrote: Also you can only get compensation if you have offered the player an improved deal.



Incorrect, he only has to be offered the same deal.

The only way he becomes a free agent is if the club either decide not to offer him anything, or try to cut his wages.
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01 Aug 2016 15:38 #90 by loser
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lummy8 wrote: As I say, I think he should have signed on here, I have a bad feeling that in 2 years he may be plying his trade in Conference South somewhere if he is not given the right advice.

Such a shame, but wont be the first or last.


That's what it comes down to at the end of the day. Advice that agents give. The agents are purely thinking about themselves and how to make a quick buck through a signing fee. They don't give a toss about what is best for the player, they'll just con the player into thinking that's what they want.

Daft thing is that these agents are too short sighted to think that it'd be in their best interests to see that they player actually does what is right for their development. Better development = better quality player and more successful career = more money for both the agent and player in the long term. Instead they're just interested in earning a quick few grand next week or next month rather than 10s of thousands over a number of years.

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01 Aug 2016 15:44 #91 by Moorlad
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Agents have too many clients though, that's a big part of the problem. If they're acting for a client at a club like ours, and they're based in the south, they're unlikely to be coming up here and looking around to see if it suits their client. The fact is a client who, like McQueen, is strictly small time isn't worth them spending a deal of time on, so the best they're likely to do is get a signing on deal for him, then they can spend more of their time working on other clients, higher up the ladder based closer to home.

Agents are an appalling necessity unfortunately, and they care little about their clients, less about the clubs and nothing at all about the game.

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01 Aug 2016 16:06 #92 by DeckchairBlue
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I'm sure whilst there are agents who care little about their clients and only see them as cash cows, there will also be come who genuinely have/feel they have the players best interests are heart.

There's good and bad in every industry.

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01 Aug 2016 16:13 #93 by NORTHERNSOUL
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I just wonder at what point the wages we have paid him since his contract expired will be greater than the compensation we would get ?

In this situation i cant see us winning this one lets say the compensation figure is 25k and hes on 500 quid a week so at what point do we cut our losses ?

After 50 weeks when he then in week 51 signs for someone else we get nothing and its cost us 25k [and in a liklihood he.ll pick up the 25k as a signing on fee ]

The whole things a mess and you cant believe that it was set up to work like this

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01 Aug 2016 17:36 #94 by bruntonpete
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The agents don't care about a lot of this type of player. They know that most of them will only have a few years in the game and will get out of them what they can in fees and cuts. I expect the agent will be working out a decent pay day on him now knowing it is unlikely the boy will rise any higher than league one. I might be proved wrong on this on be but time will tell.

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01 Aug 2016 19:19 #95 by Laffy
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Sometimes it's not about the money and let's face it,the lad is in danger of drifting into non league status as Lummg says.

Bottomline is he is treating the club in a disrespectful way which says it all.I would suggest the club disengages and moves on-we don't need players who have real interest in playing.What would his team mates be thinking if he gets a game after this tiresome charade and major distraction?
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01 Aug 2016 19:44 #96 by Markovitch
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Who is going to look at him now? It'll take him a month to get match fit and who is to say he won't disappear again in the future?No way anyone will offer him a decent deal

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01 Aug 2016 21:15 #97 by MerseysideBlue
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TheLazyLewisGuy wrote: Also you can only get compensation if you have offered the player an improved deal.


Doesn't have to be improved - just has to be at least the same terms.

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02 Aug 2016 05:42 #98 by Labla
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Markovitch wrote: Who is going to look at him now? It'll take him a month to get match fit and who is to say he won't disappear again in the future?No way anyone will offer him a decent deal


Whatever about everything else and how poorly, potentially, the Instagram stuff looks, its the above i'd agree with. he's lost a month of preseason and seems to be quite happy posturing about waiting for a big deal to come through. A year or 2 from now a manager of a club will probably be putting a call through to Curle or Dykes or someone linked to Carlisle wondering what he was like and I wouldn't think the response would be too positive.

We might as well dig our heels in and get a bit of compensation. Good luck to him wherever he ends up, by the looks of things he'll need it.

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02 Aug 2016 07:40 #99 by seabird
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We haven't signed another RB yet so I assume he is still in the frame

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02 Aug 2016 08:11 #100 by Jumpforfun
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Which will be why the young youth team lad Olsen has been getting a look in.

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