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28 Oct 2017 14:15 #101 by NORTHERNSOUL
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JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.


Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl

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28 Oct 2017 14:19 #102 by NORTHERNSOUL
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High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.


Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "

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28 Oct 2017 15:35 #103 by JuanKerzov
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.


Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl


Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.

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28 Oct 2017 15:48 #104 by NORTHERNSOUL
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JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.


Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl


Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.


Read their franchise bid all connect services will be provided by the new stock

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "

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28 Oct 2017 16:11 #105 by JuanKerzov
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.


Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl


Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.




Read their franchise bid all connect services will be provided by the new stock


Haha, dare say I’ve studied it a bit more than most!
Connects between Carlisle-Ncl-Boro will be 158’s

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28 Oct 2017 17:50 #106 by High Street
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.


Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution


They did.........

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28 Oct 2017 23:09 #107 by NORTHERNSOUL
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High Street wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.


Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution


They did.........


And should be admitting they all got it wrong and be looking for a solution that works

Where can you see what stock is passed for that line and what isnt. ?

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28 Oct 2017 23:22 #108 by NORTHERNSOUL
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JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: Coast, other than Barra, will have no connect services.
Carlisle/Ncl ones will be re-furbed 158’s.


Fasts will be the new ones slows will be 158.s on Newc - Carl


Connects will all be ‘fasts’ and all be 158’s.




Read their franchise bid all connect services will be provided by the new stock


Haha, dare say I’ve studied it a bit more than most!
Connects between Carlisle-Ncl-Boro will be 158’s


"- Over 95% to be operated with new trains "

Says the Northern Website so why would whats essentially the furthest and longest journey on the Connect network be the only one to be done with refurbished 158.s and i can see routes that maybe were getting the new ones now wont be now as they would work better with the refurbished 319.s which have become an option since the franchise award of which they can have as many of as they want with the Dft picking up the bill ie Man airport to both Windermere and even Barrow and its already been announced that's whats going on the airport to Blackpool so i.d say that would account for most of the 5% wouldn't you?

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29 Oct 2017 06:11 #109 by JuanKerzov
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The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.

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29 Oct 2017 08:18 #110 by CCU

JuanKerzov wrote: The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.


Last I read was May 2018 when it switches to 28 each direction, with Connect officially in 2019. That still the plan?

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29 Oct 2017 09:02 #111 by NORTHERNSOUL
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JuanKerzov wrote: The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.


Well you better get your bosses to change the website and stop lying to their customers then

And interesting that you mention the" former " MD and why he's now the former MD Wouldnt have anything to do with the crap refurbs to those 158.s and the 150.s and the 156.s would it ?

Arriva Trains what a fuc.kin joke they are the words piss up and Brewery don't even come close to these bunch of lying tw ats

Time the Dft brought in fines for lying to customers they're all at it for instance Network Rail trying to justify the money they're wasting at Blackpool North station they say they're lengthening the platforms to take longer trains well that's funny then and all those pictures of near half-mile long trains made up of every last carriage they could find in the 50.s 60.s and 70.s must all have been fakes then.

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29 Oct 2017 10:12 #112 by High Street
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

High Street wrote: I don’t think 158s are allowed round the coast either. The entire country’s diesel fleets are in limbo until Great Western electrification and Glasgow-Edinburgh electrification is complete. A mess created,funded and caused by DafT. Of course it’s easy for them to hide behind those nasty TOCs which aren’t going to complain too much as they’ll be bidding for more franchises soon.


Ah, didnt realize that. Looks like options are pretty limited Maybe they should be looking at some out of the box solution


They did.........


And should be admitting they all got it wrong and be looking for a solution that works

Where can you see what stock is passed for that line and what isnt. ?


Fairly certain sectional appendices are on line these days?

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29 Oct 2017 10:14 #113 by High Street
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JuanKerzov wrote: The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.


Which is still pretty shit for 70 miles

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29 Oct 2017 10:33 #114 by markredfox73
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Anyone got punctuality figures on arriva northerns failure on the coastal line over the past few months..i am.damn sure it is way under the standards expected to run train line. I can only see things getting worse over the winter months.

Seen in the news and star scotrail are getting more services and carriages on the dumfries line.. that really feels like a kick in the teeth for some.Arriva to me seems to be full of false promises running an upgraded and efficient service. The regulator needs to strip them of it and hand it into government control .



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29 Oct 2017 11:23 #115 by NORTHERNSOUL
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High Street wrote:

JuanKerzov wrote: The former MD told the N&S last year they would be re-furbs, the DfT say of Newcastle to Carlisle -
‘...half-hourly service between Newcastle and Carlisle, providing 28 trains per day in each direction – 13 more than now. Some services will be faster than today, at around 80 minutes
a minimum of 10 services each way will operate as “Northern Connect” services, operated by fully refurbished trains...’

I’ll be driving them, they’ll be 158’s.


Which is still pretty shit for 70 miles


But it wont be 70 miles the Connects are either starting back as far as Middlesboro or continuing on to other destinations like they used to it could be one of their premier routes but it seems Arriva are determined to turn it into anything but

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29 Oct 2017 11:23 #116 by High Street
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The Government is directly responsible for this.

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29 Oct 2017 11:28 #117 by CCU
Far far far too many types of stock on our railways these days IMO...

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29 Oct 2017 12:47 #118 by carwash
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CCU wrote: Far far far too many types of stock on our railways these days IMO...


True, you wouldn't design a railway like this. All the efficient airlines like Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair operate more or less single types of airliner because it makes training, maintenance etc more straightforward.

With trains it seems refurbishment can keep carriages and locomotives going for 50-60 years so you never get the same benefits that the airlines achieve.
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29 Oct 2017 14:37 #119 by CCU

carwash wrote:

CCU wrote: Far far far too many types of stock on our railways these days IMO...


True, you wouldn't design a railway like this. All the efficient airlines like Ryanair, Easyjet and Wizzair operate more or less single types of airliner because it makes training, maintenance etc more straightforward.


Just had a quick look...

Ryanair: Solely use Boeing 737-800 at present, 403 of them. Will be joined by the Boeing 737-Max200 (Basically newer version).

EasyJet: Split between Airbus A319-100 and A320-200, with newer versions on order.

WizzAir: Split between A320-200 and A321-200, with newer versions on order.

As you say, far more sensible for training, maintenance, familiarity...

Quite why our railways ever got so many types of rolling stock defeats me!

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29 Oct 2017 16:19 #120 by High Street
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Because it’s a nice announcement when they win a franchise. And each franchise will tender for new trains,and different builders win.

Even the Siemens 380s in Scotland can’t multi up with the new Siemens 385, as they had to turn the coupler upside down to fit under the gangway.

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01 Nov 2017 11:55 #121 by thesilentone
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Must be early Christmas shopping..........

Bosses at the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant have ‘gone cold’ on the possibility of a pay deal as a one day strike by more than 1,100 craft workers on Tuesday (7 November) is set to go-ahead.

Unite, the country’s largest union which represents maintenance staff and electricians, said that the management had now ‘gone cold’ on talks after a round of ‘positive talks’ – and the union blamed ‘the unseen hand’ of government ministers for the intransigence.

The 24 hour strike is due start at 06.00 on Tuesday over the ‘completely unacceptable’ 1.5 per cent pay offer imposed by Sellafield Ltd – a Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) company – in September, backdated to 1 April.

Unite said that it would be maintaining a skeleton staff during the strike to reassure the people of Cumbria on health and safety issues.

Unite regional officer Graham Williams said: “The Sellafield bosses appear to have adopted a new hardline attitude on the pay talks which we believe is being orchestrated by the unseen hands of government ministers who are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

“We had talks with management on 23 October which were very positive, but a week later the atmosphere had dramatically changed – it was as if the shutters had come down.

“Our members are highly trained and not prepared to accept such a derisory offer as the consumer prices index (CPI) inflation rose to 3.0 per cent in September. Inflation is eroding our members’ take-home pay.

“This has to be seen in the context that the Sellafield workforce has delivered over £230 million of savings in the last two years and is expected to make a further £300 million in savings this year.

“The strike will mean that no on-going maintenance work by our members will take place at Sellafield, but to reassure the Cumbrian public we will be maintaining a skeleton staff on site.

“Tuesday’s strike is a shot across the bows and more strikes are on the cards in the run-up to Christmas, if the management does not engage in constructive talks.”

A spokesman for Sellafield Ltd said: “As always, the safety and security of the Sellafield site, our workforce and the community are our priorities during this industrial action.

“We are working with Cumbria Police and Cumbria County Council’s Highways team to try to minimise disruption.

“However, strikes by their nature are designed to cause disruption and people should expect traffic problems while pickets are in place.

“We have taken all steps available to us to minimise disruption including opening all access gates and advising staff on steps they can take to help.”

The strike follows a ballot of its craft members which saw 90 per cent vote for strikes.

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01 Nov 2017 12:01 #122 by Dancingbear
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thesilentone wrote: Must be early Christmas shopping..........

Bosses at the Sellafield nuclear reprocessing plant have ‘gone cold’ on the possibility of a pay deal as a one day strike by more than 1,100 craft workers on Tuesday (7 November) is set to go-ahead.

Unite, the country’s largest union which represents maintenance staff and electricians, said that the management had now ‘gone cold’ on talks after a round of ‘positive talks’ – and the union blamed ‘the unseen hand’ of government ministers for the intransigence.

The 24 hour strike is due start at 06.00 on Tuesday over the ‘completely unacceptable’ 1.5 per cent pay offer imposed by Sellafield Ltd – a Nuclear Decommissioning Authority (NDA) company – in September, backdated to 1 April.

Unite said that it would be maintaining a skeleton staff during the strike to reassure the people of Cumbria on health and safety issues.

Unite regional officer Graham Williams said: “The Sellafield bosses appear to have adopted a new hardline attitude on the pay talks which we believe is being orchestrated by the unseen hands of government ministers who are pulling the strings behind the scenes.

“We had talks with management on 23 October which were very positive, but a week later the atmosphere had dramatically changed – it was as if the shutters had come down.

“Our members are highly trained and not prepared to accept such a derisory offer as the consumer prices index (CPI) inflation rose to 3.0 per cent in September. Inflation is eroding our members’ take-home pay.

“This has to be seen in the context that the Sellafield workforce has delivered over £230 million of savings in the last two years and is expected to make a further £300 million in savings this year.

“The strike will mean that no on-going maintenance work by our members will take place at Sellafield, but to reassure the Cumbrian public we will be maintaining a skeleton staff on site.

“Tuesday’s strike is a shot across the bows and more strikes are on the cards in the run-up to Christmas, if the management does not engage in constructive talks.”

A spokesman for Sellafield Ltd said: “As always, the safety and security of the Sellafield site, our workforce and the community are our priorities during this industrial action.

“We are working with Cumbria Police and Cumbria County Council’s Highways team to try to minimise disruption.

“However, strikes by their nature are designed to cause disruption and people should expect traffic problems while pickets are in place.

“We have taken all steps available to us to minimise disruption including opening all access gates and advising staff on steps they can take to help.”

The strike follows a ballot of its craft members which saw 90 per cent vote for strikes.


You really are a fu cking cock. Theres not one of us want to go on strike.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!

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01 Nov 2017 12:16 #123 by thesilentone
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So don't go on strike then !!

Soon you will be complaining about ' Foreign Workers ' on zero hours contracts taking your jobs.

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01 Nov 2017 12:22 #124 by CCU
Back to the Guards, this has been going round Social Media, a Guards Eye view on the situation...

WHY AM I STRIKING?

In this letter, I hope to give an insight into why train guards are striking and what we as guards actually do. My own parents think I ‘just clip tickets’, so I am facing an uphill struggle from the word go! We are not looking for more money, despite popular belief! And this letter does not seek to slander any particular company.

We are striking because some train companies are trying to remove the guard as being ‘safety critical’ on the train. There is a lot of clever spin around the difference between ‘safety critical’ and ‘safety trained’. At a lot of train companies in the UK, the guard is ‘safety critical’. This means that we are trained for three months and regularly reassessed in order to get our conductor license.

We safely dispatch trains, ensuring doors are closed, no one is trapped/could be trapped, the signal is the right colour, it’s the right time plus a lot more.

Also, we provide customer service: everything from printing journey timetables to selling and checking tickets to helping disabled passengers and getting buggies/bikes on/off.

And we do everything else in between; from working various types of trains, fixing faults, having good route knowledge, knowing where/when/how to evacuate in an emergency and undertaking security checks for anything out of the ordinary.

Demotion to ‘safety trained’ removes a lot of our current role, including train dispatching. It means companies can run as many trains as they like without a guard on. This is also known as Driver-Only Operation (DOO). New trains currently being built will have cameras on platforms or in the front cab. This means the driver will be able to dispatch a train on their own, or possibly with a dispatcher at larger stations.

But this letter is not an attack on our drivers. There are statistics and reports available online from various safety organisations and the RMT, in addition to our own view, that show it isn’t safe to dispatch a train without a guard on. We do this job every day. And we fully believe you need two sets of eyes to dispatch a train. Not one person looking at small CCTV screens, even if it is ‘new technology.’

Currently when we dispatch, we view the train/platform and ensure no one is trapped in doors etc. The guard stops the train in emergency if someone is in danger. For example, if someone runs for the train, loses their footing and then becomes trapped. Who is going to be driving the train forward when the driver is checking the screens, or vice versa?

We have seen what has happened at certain companies. So, we believe removing us as ‘safety critical’ is the start of a slippery slope to DOO, with only one member of staff on board each train. This would then remove all the customer service elements too, and assisting disabled passengers. I know people argue DOO works fine in London and commuter areas. But my response to that is that rural stations, of which there are a lot outside the capital, don’t usually have staff.

In London, if someone is threatening on a train it is only about two minutes to the next stop. And there will be police there already when you arrive. But across a lot of the country, the guard is the deterrent for a lot of anti-social, and all sorts of behaviour. As I’ve seen as a guard when someone was threatening towards a woman travelling alone, what were her choices? Get off the train at the next rural, partially lit station alone, panicked? Or maybe try and find a friendly stranger to help? That friendly stranger who should always be on the train in this case was the guard. I removed her from that situation, called the police and made sure she got home safely. This is not uncommon. These people are our daughters/brothers/grandparents.

At these remote stations with no staff there is also no one to help assist a disabled passenger on and off. Accessibility for all passengers is a big issue that we feel strongly about. Along my routes, there are people who rely on us getting the ramp out and assisting them at their station. It’s part of their way of life. They don’t want to pre-book 24 hours in advance if they need to pop to the next town to buy nappies. And why should they? Why can’t all passengers just be able to turn up at a station and travel spontaneously if they want to?

We know nothing stands still forever, but why should new trains mean passenger safety moves backwards? And don’t get me started on the fantastic wonderland that could potentially be, if we had new trains AND guards AND funding for much needed network improvements. But that’s for another day.

I don’t speak for everyone, but most of us love our jobs! We love meeting new people every day and having conversations with interesting strangers at 2 o’clock on a Thursday afternoon about their lives! We like helping people get their bags off the train – I always imagine every elderly passenger is my own Nan! Despite the fact it makes us groan in our heads sometimes (just being honest) we do still try and smile. Even when we tell the 20th person in two minutes that yes, this is the xx:xx train to x.

I for one, don’t enjoy leaving people on the platform who have run late for a train. We see great sunsets from the back cab and cracking sunrises at 4am when everyone is asleep. We have regular passengers who will always say hello. And we have not so chirpy passengers who we do our best to try and explain delays to. We’ve grown up waving at trains ourselves, and now take great delight in waving to small children from the train as we pass, or handing out stickers and seeing their faces light up.

We want people on the trains. Real humans with empathy and logic and compassion. We know we have rules to follow that can be unpopular, like I’m sure you do in your workplace. But, and I may be mocked for getting a little too deep here, I want more people in my everyday life. Not more machines or automated voices!

The railway is quite a unique place to work. We often joke a lot of us are misfits who wouldn’t really fit in anywhere else. Most of you might be surprised to know a lot of ex-forces people work as guards and drivers. I don’t know the exact figures but for the ex-forces men and women I know on the railway, this place was a home for them and their skills. And like most of us, they hoped if they worked hard they would have a job for life on the railway if they wanted it.

So, I hope you have a little insight now into why most of us are striking. And it may answer some questions for you about what we do and why we are trying to carry on doing it.

See you soon, on the trains – hopefully.


Excellent piece IMO...

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01 Nov 2017 14:55 - 01 Nov 2017 15:04 #125 by thesilentone
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Since when did anyone in a Rail Union give a shxte about anyone but themselves ?

It starts at the top and works down.

Closed shop Champagne Socialists !!

Sellafield is already screwing it up for local Companies who cannot compete with the high pay levels, and they are striking for more.

Pure Greed !!
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01 Nov 2017 15:49 - 01 Nov 2017 15:54 #126 by JuanKerzov
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thesilentone wrote: Since when did anyone in a Rail Union give a shxte about anyone but themselves ?

It starts at the top and works down.

Closed shop Champagne Socialists !!

Sellafield is already screwing it up for local Companies who cannot compete with the high pay levels, and they are striking for

Pure Greed !!


Are you a dog botherer?
The structure of a Union is such that ‘it’ starts at the bottom and works up.
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01 Nov 2017 16:14 #127 by thesilentone
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Oh, ay....


A RAIL union has a £20million investment pot despite its boss wanting to overthrow capitalism.

The RMT has invested millions in top firms while its president Sean Hoyle strives for a socialist Britain.

Published accounts show the militant union’s portfolio includes money poured into banks, an energy firm and a tobacco ­company.

Hoyle declared last year his union’s “rule number one” was “to strive to replace the capitalist system with a socialist order”.

He added: “If you spit on your own, they just wipe it away. But if we all spit together we can drown the [censored].”

RMT Investments include £500,000 in British American Tobacco, nearly £1million in Shell and £234,000 in Centrica, parent company of British Gas.


All we get from Unions is bulsxit, lies and greed....

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01 Nov 2017 22:05 #128 by High Street
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That spitting quote is a quite (in)famous one from Bob Crow. Who has been dead several years.

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01 Nov 2017 23:53 #129 by CCU

High Street wrote: That spitting quote is a quite (in)famous one from Bob Crow. Who has been dead several years.


It’s not like thesilentone to not put up a source for a quote...

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02 Nov 2017 11:14 #130 by thesilentone
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I'll give you a source, do you think there is likely to be any resignations ?

carolineleneghan.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/3/

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02 Nov 2017 18:21 #131 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: I'll give you a source, do you think there is likely to be any resignations ?

carolineleneghan.wordpress.com/2013/03/08/3/


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Lets have a get the bitches back behind the [censored] Kitchen Sink Day i say.

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09 Nov 2017 14:42 #132 by Laffy
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Strike off-28pc pay rise

Amazing

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09 Nov 2017 15:00 #133 by CCU

Laffy wrote: Strike off-28pc pay rise

Amazing


Wrong. Drivers union ASLEF have accepted a pay rise to finish strikes. Guards union RMT are even more determined after this treachery, and strikes will continue.

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09 Nov 2017 15:19 #134 by Laffy
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Ok-ASLEF off

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09 Nov 2017 15:25 #135 by newcarlislefan
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Come on you miserable sods out there! Surely we want everybody to be paid fairly from the bin man, to the nurse, to the solicitor to the banker to the boss?
5% a year over 5 years feels to me like the kind of deal that people should fairly be offered whatever their role in life.
I don't get that and I'd love to! Infact I had a pay cut last year as I'm self employed but I'm happy that people are being paid fairly. I wish the average worker in this country could be paid fairly with good pay rises.
The guy who runs Southern Rail earns 2.16 million. His pay went up from 1.96 million a year so I think that's a £200,000 a year pay rise. So, that's around 10% a year or 50% over 5 years or there or thereabouts. Personally, I think it's obscene but if he's doing a good job then you could argue he deserves it. Surely Southern Rail is a roaring success then? Form the Indy - "The network he operates has the worst punctuality record of any franchise in the country, with almost one in five trains late. The Southern rail owner runs the five worst performing lines in the country, including the nation's least punctual train line, the premium-priced "Gatwick Express".
The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! If they can afford to pay the boss over 2 million surely they can afford to pay the guards an extra 5% a year? If the boss gets 10% and £200,000 extra can't the workers get 5%? Surely that's just fair?

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09 Nov 2017 15:57 #136 by Dancingbear
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newcarlislefan wrote: Come on you miserable sods out there! Surely we want everybody to be paid fairly from the bin man, to the nurse, to the solicitor to the banker to the boss?
5% a year over 5 years feels to me like the kind of deal that people should fairly be offered whatever their role in life.
I don't get that and I'd love to! Infact I had a pay cut last year as I'm self employed but I'm happy that people are being paid fairly. I wish the average worker in this country could be paid fairly with good pay rises.
The guy who runs Southern Rail earns 2.16 million. His pay went up from 1.96 million a year so I think that's a £200,000 a year pay rise. So, that's around 10% a year or 50% over 5 years or there or thereabouts. Personally, I think it's obscene but if he's doing a good job then you could argue he deserves it. Surely Southern Rail is a roaring success then? Form the Indy - "The network he operates has the worst punctuality record of any franchise in the country, with almost one in five trains late. The Southern rail owner runs the five worst performing lines in the country, including the nation's least punctual train line, the premium-priced "Gatwick Express".
The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! If they can afford to pay the boss over 2 million surely they can afford to pay the guards an extra 5% a year? If the boss gets 10% and £200,000 extra can't the workers get 5%? Surely that's just fair?


I think the guards would accept less than ASLEF have been bought out for if they guarantee to put a conductor on the trains.

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09 Nov 2017 16:08 #137 by Laffy
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I was in the central line tube last week-absolute crowding like you wouldn’t believe.Yet no conductor on what I saw as a very dangerous scrum to get on and off.

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09 Nov 2017 16:13 #138 by CCU

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newcarlislefan wrote: Come on you miserable sods out there! Surely we want everybody to be paid fairly from the bin man, to the nurse, to the solicitor to the banker to the boss?
5% a year over 5 years feels to me like the kind of deal that people should fairly be offered whatever their role in life.
I don't get that and I'd love to! Infact I had a pay cut last year as I'm self employed but I'm happy that people are being paid fairly. I wish the average worker in this country could be paid fairly with good pay rises.
The guy who runs Southern Rail earns 2.16 million. His pay went up from 1.96 million a year so I think that's a £200,000 a year pay rise. So, that's around 10% a year or 50% over 5 years or there or thereabouts. Personally, I think it's obscene but if he's doing a good job then you could argue he deserves it. Surely Southern Rail is a roaring success then? Form the Indy - "The network he operates has the worst punctuality record of any franchise in the country, with almost one in five trains late. The Southern rail owner runs the five worst performing lines in the country, including the nation's least punctual train line, the premium-priced "Gatwick Express".
The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! If they can afford to pay the boss over 2 million surely they can afford to pay the guards an extra 5% a year? If the boss gets 10% and £200,000 extra can't the workers get 5%? Surely that's just fair?


I think the guards would accept less than ASLEF have been bought out for if they guarantee to put a conductor on the trains.


For the Guards, wage rise has nothing to do with it, it’s the steady erosion of the role...

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09 Nov 2017 16:14 #139 by CCU

Laffy wrote: I was in the central line tube last week-absolute crowding like you wouldn’t believe.Yet no conductor on what I saw as a very dangerous scrum to get on and off.


Platform Staff galore though...

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09 Nov 2017 17:41 #140 by Laffy
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Couldn’t see in the melee-the fact is tube train drivers have good cameras and can talk to their passengers-no conductor other than the odd guy checking tickets.

The RMT have a history of striking-though a pity Bob Crow wasn’t around to sort this out.I rather liked him despite his left wing politics-though he was anti EU.

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09 Nov 2017 18:17 #141 by CCU

Laffy wrote: Couldn’t see in the melee-the fact is tube train drivers have good cameras and can talk to their passengers-no conductor other than the odd guy checking tickets.

The RMT have a history of striking-though a pity Bob Crow wasn’t around to sort this out.I rather liked him despite his left wing politics-though he was anti EU.


The operations side of London Underground is a world away from the DOO argument on National Rail. Completely different trains, methods, ticketing, staffing and many other factors.

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10 Nov 2017 10:23 - 10 Nov 2017 10:26 #142 by thesilentone
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Crippling strikes on one of Britain’s busiest railway lines may finally be at an end after train drivers accepted a £14,000 pay rise.

Members of Aslef voted four to one in favour of a deal to end industrial action on Southern Rail, which has been hit by disruption for 18 months in a row over pay, working conditions and the introduction of driver-only operated trains.

Rail executives insisted that the move left the other main rail union — the RMT — “completely isolated” as it continues its dispute over driver-only control of carriage doors.



So, DB, CCU, Loser et al.............where's all the brotherly love now comrades ?

told you they were just a bunch of fat, greedy, bully boys...............How many times have you used the words " The strike is not about money " oh yea...
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10 Nov 2017 10:52 #143 by Dancingbear
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Yep ASLEF have sold out the RMT for a bit of extra cash.

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10 Nov 2017 10:54 #144 by CCU

Dancingbear wrote: Yep ASLEF have sold out the RMT for a bit of extra cash.


Indeed. Seems a few drivers need to remember their roots!

Never mind, the fight against DOO still goes on, the Guards and the RMT will continue to fight for YOUR safety...

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10 Nov 2017 10:58 #145 by newcarlislefan
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The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! It's not exactly struggling.
The chief executive gets a yearly pay rise of 10%. He will make £200,000 extra this year and will somehow have to make do with 2.16 million pounds this year.
I would say a 10% pay rise is a generous one in one year, or 50% across 5 years. The guards get 28% over 5 years.
The guards will now get a yearly pay rise half of what the chief executive has received. Their pay rise equates to 5% a year. This is half the pay rise the chief exec gets.
Wouldn't it be even fairer to all employees to get the same rise whether at the top or the bottom?

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10 Nov 2017 11:02 #146 by Dancingbear
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newcarlislefan wrote: The company makes £100 million pounds a year profit. 100 million pounds profit! It's not exactly struggling.
The chief executive gets a yearly pay rise of 10%. He will make £200,000 extra this year and will somehow have to make do with 2.16 million pounds this year.
I would say a 10% pay rise is a generous one in one year, or 50% across 5 years. The guards get 28% over 5 years.
The guards will now get a yearly pay rise half of what the chief executive has received. Their pay rise equates to 5% a year. This is half the pay rise the chief exec gets.
Wouldn't it be even fairer to all employees to get the same rise whether at the top or the bottom?


The guards havent got anything its the drivers whove got 28% over 5 years.

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10 Nov 2017 11:11 #147 by newcarlislefan
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Sorry, yes drivers!
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10 Nov 2017 11:22 - 10 Nov 2017 11:25 #148 by thesilentone
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ASLEF are mere novices, compared to their Grandparents:


1977: Firefighters strike over pay claim
Firefighters are claiming widespread support for their first national strike, over a 30% pay demand.
The 30,000-strong Fire Brigades Union claims 97.5% of its members have heeded the strike call and are no longer manning the pumps.

Talks have been continuing between union leaders and employers but there is little prospect of an early resolution with the Government insisting there is no breach of its 10% public sector pay ceiling.

Troops have been brought in to provide emergency cover - but there is concern among soldiers about their lack of training and modern firefighting equipment.



So ASLEF have burst the Dam, que the rest calling for strike action and a gazzillion £££'s pay rise. Poor old Jezza's knackerd now. I'd love to be fly on the wall at TUC HQ, it will be pure poetry in motion......it'll take more than a roll of Soft Pinkey to stop the Klondyke...

Get the 45gal drums out !!
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10 Nov 2017 12:23 #149 by CCU

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10 Nov 2017 12:40 - 10 Nov 2017 13:22 #150 by thesilentone
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Fair play, you have to agree the Team of Bouncers for ASLEF are a damn site better looking than the Bruisers in the RMT team...


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"So the disgraceful ASLEF leadership finally bribe and cajole members to accept Driver Only Operation on Southern.A £14,000 bribe has been accepted to abandon safety and accessibility.Aslef leaders are a disgrace to the trade union movement and traitors to the whole working class # Judases.
The RMT fight continues with more action today and tomorrow and until all our demands are met.Safety and accessibility are non negotiable and do not have a price ."

....says the man who allegedly battered his Mrs........
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