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01 Dec 2018 12:02 #551 by thesilentone
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The rail service in the UK is rapidly falling behind customer demand, mainly due to the lack of investment in technology and efficiency. What is rapidly becoming a cart horse operation is driving people back into cars as spiraling prices get beyond the average commute. This is due to a Union that is as inflexible as it is militant to development and who exploits it's monopoly. Who in their right mind would invest in a business with such a destructive workforce. No wonder we flog our services to the foreigners !!

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01 Dec 2018 12:11 - 01 Dec 2018 12:11 #552 by CCU

thesilentone wrote: The rail service in the UK is rapidly falling behind customer demand, mainly due to the lack of investment in technology and efficiency. What is rapidly becoming a cart horse operation is driving people back into cars as spiraling prices get beyond the average commute. This is due to a Union that is as inflexible as it is militant to development and who exploits it's monopoly. Who in their right mind would invest in a business with such a destructive workforce. No wonder we flog our services to the foreigners !!


Hardly news. Commonly accepted that the chronic lack of underinvestment from the 70’s through to the early 90’s is the reason our network is playing catch-up. It’s why we’ve had 25yrs and counting of improvements...

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01 Dec 2018 12:25 #553 by thesilentone
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So, unless we move into the 21st Century, spiraling prices in the future.

The Government p'eed money into BR, the end result was worse services, more strikes, higher wage demands, and dirty old rolling stock.

I'm afraid the Golden Goose is well and truly deceased..........thanks to the RMT.

There is Zero reason for the latest strikes to go ahead, but when your Unions in-bred constitution is maximum disruption (as history dictates) the modus operandi within the RMT is cast in tablets of sand..........

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01 Dec 2018 12:58 #554 by Laffy
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I have to say I agree with you.

Consider this in any other business-I was travelling back from Euston to Carlisle first class-cost about £240,about the price of 6 flights to Mallorca.I say down in a seat next to the kitchen at the end of first class.The female steward came over and said’ we like to sit in those seats’ the implication being I was to move.My response of ‘not today you’re not’ was met with an angry glance and being sent to Coventry for the rest of the journey.

In any other business,she would be disciplined but not on the trains-any attack on comrades means strike action.

I am sure there are many brilliant people working on the railways-but as always, misplaced power in union hands is an absolute cocktail for chaos.

British Rail in public ownership was a total joke-trouble is many people aren’t old enough to remember.As for infrastructure,this has been a chronic issue for decades-not Labour,not Tory-basically all politicians at fault.Privatise the operators but not the infrastructure.That way,you at least have a chance of competitive service.

Infrastructure should be another one of those depoliticised projects like the NHS.

Labour suggested yesterday that CEOs remuneration of larger should be the subject of an annual vote by stakeholders.What an amazing idea to create confusion,chaos and a 12 month merry go round for anyone with any ability.

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01 Dec 2018 13:05 #555 by CCU
Long running issue is the Virgin staff and certain seats they seem to think are theirs...

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01 Dec 2018 13:07 #556 by High Street
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BR would have been world class, if it received the kind of money the ‘privatised’ railway receives in subsidy. Consider your 20 odd train operating companies, each with its own CEO and board of directors,traincrew managers, payroll, office etc. Quite similarly, the actual train crew figures are probably more than would be required if it was all nationalised again and instead of passenger drivers running round the country in taxis, worked a freight train back home.
Incidentally, the only asset the companies own, is the uniform the staff wear. It’s such in attractive proposition, that South West Trains franchise, had two bidders and the Cross Country only had one, which was covered up by Grayling extending the current franchise and ordering a ‘review of rail franchising’
The current privatisation model is dead.
Oh, and the Bedwyn branch line is reverting to guards on board, following the unrealiability of the super new Hitachi trains’ DOO equipment.

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01 Dec 2018 13:51 #557 by Laffy
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I’m sure a pure nationalised model is not the answer but something where employees and passengers have a stake might work.Its also clear the pure privatised model is flawed too-too easy to walk away if it fails a la Virgin.

Our rail service is something to celebrate-but going back to the bad old days isn’t the answer in my view

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01 Dec 2018 18:16 #558 by High Street
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Ah, you’ve fallen for the ‘Virgin’ walk away story. The ECML franchise was terminated by mutual agreement. Or for Grayling to save face. Basically, the ECML franchise has always made a profit, just not enough to pay the premiums to the Government, as per the franchise agreement.
The Daft give predicted growth figures to all bidders, essentially an over optimistic guess (ie more premium payment to Government) In the case of East Coast, a power upgrade north of Newcastle, along with other infrastructure improvements, by Network Rail (ooh, another Government department) never happened. As the forecasts could not be met by not running enough trains, you can see why Government were keen to terminate the franchise and let Virgin take the flack, otherwise l think Mr Grayling’s department may have been having a trip to visit m’learned friends.

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01 Dec 2018 19:02 #559 by Laffy
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Not the first franchisee to walk-and look at the cost of walking to Stagecoach.All on the public record

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02 Dec 2018 10:16 #560 by thesilentone
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High Street wrote: BR would have been world class, if it received the kind of money the ‘privatised’ railway receives in subsidy. Consider your 20 odd train operating companies, each with its own CEO and board of directors,traincrew managers, payroll, office etc. Quite similarly, the actual train crew figures are probably more than would be required if it was all nationalised again and instead of passenger drivers running round the country in taxis, worked a freight train back home.
Incidentally, the only asset the companies own, is the uniform the staff wear. It’s such in attractive proposition, that South West Trains franchise, had two bidders and the Cross Country only had one, which was covered up by Grayling extending the current franchise and ordering a ‘review of rail franchising’
The current privatisation model is dead.
Oh, and the Bedwyn branch line is reverting to guards on board, following the unrealiability of the super new Hitachi trains’ DOO equipment.


BR was a massive drain on taxpayers money, strike action and falling passenger numbers, spiraling prices and a sxxt service. BR policy to falling passenger numbers was to increase prices, again and again !! The Unions are to blame, no one will touch it with a barge pole unless the returns are high due to the risk and hasell...........

Sadly the result is more vehicles on the road, and no real plans to move freight onto the railways. To many strikes......

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02 Dec 2018 10:18 #561 by CCU

thesilentone wrote: Sadly the result is more vehicles on the road, and no real plans to move freight onto the railways. To many strikes......


Good luck finding paths for more freight with increased frequency in timetables!

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02 Dec 2018 13:32 - 02 Dec 2018 13:34 #562 by High Street
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CCU wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Sadly the result is more vehicles on the road, and no real plans to move freight onto the railways. To many strikes......


Good luck finding paths for more freight with increased frequency in timetables!


I think we’ve established he hasn’t a clue.
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02 Dec 2018 13:40 #563 by Dancingbear
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High Street wrote:

CCU wrote:

thesilentone wrote: Sadly the result is more vehicles on the road, and no real plans to move freight onto the railways. To many strikes......


Good luck finding paths for more freight with increased frequency in timetables!


I think we’ve established he hasn’t a clue.


Baldy millitant bullyboys ;)

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02 Dec 2018 20:01 - 02 Dec 2018 20:02 #564 by thesilentone
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Since privatisation, freight increased 10-fold, up to 10 years ago. Since then is has grown much more slowly as investors are put off by the risk profile created by the RMT. ...and your right, most of them are bald.
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02 Dec 2018 20:48 #565 by Mullen103
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Mark the fox asked a question, that hasn’t been answered, in that in guardless trains who helps those in wheelchairs.

I recently went to Newcastle with 2 people in wheelchairs, the guard had too get the ramp to get the wheelchair user in as the gaps too big to do it themselves and also the same in Newcastle. Not one passenger helped, because it’s not their job too.

The difference with the tube is that most stations are staffed, the suggestion by some on here is to allow a journey of nearly one and a half hours with no guard from Newcastle to Carlisle, only the driver, and no station staff is complete and utter madness.

At least we’re not Stockport
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02 Dec 2018 21:51 #566 by howoldboy
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Privatisation doesn't care about wheelchairs.

It is all about profits.
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02 Dec 2018 23:43 #567 by High Street
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Tell me how many strikes the freight companies have had in 10 years?
The tonnage was caused by the long distance movement of imported coal from Scotland to Yorkshire power stations, which has now ceased, following the closure/ conversion to bio mass of many power stations- the bio mass is now imported too, but at a lot less volume. That’s the ‘green’ alternative to coal under our own feet, coming from Canada on diesel powered ships...

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02 Dec 2018 23:45 #568 by High Street
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howoldboy wrote: Privatisation doesn't care about wheelchairs.

It is all about profits.


It’s actually about reducing subsidy from Government. Have a Google at McNulty report and Peter Wilkinson, a particularly odious individual.

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05 Dec 2018 12:40 #569 by Dancingbear
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Fu cking hell thesilentone is in fact Trudi Harrison MP for Copeland.

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05 Dec 2018 13:07 #570 by CCU

Dancingbear wrote: Fu cking hell thesilentone is in fact Trudi Harrison MP for Copeland.


You see PMQ’s just now I take it?!

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05 Dec 2018 13:08 #571 by CCU
Looks like Northern weren’t interested in constructive talks yesterday...

www.rmt.org.uk/news/northern-rail-collapse-acas-talks/

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05 Dec 2018 13:11 #572 by Dancingbear
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CCU wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: Fu cking hell thesilentone is in fact Trudi Harrison MP for Copeland.


You see PMQ’s just now I take it?!


Aye, being a tory i take it she obviously doesnt know anything about solidarity.

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05 Dec 2018 17:50 #573 by thesilentone
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I would agree to the so-called 'second-person' on the condition they signed an agreement that imposed a charge for every hour lost to strikes, and they re-named the position to reflect there role like "fat bald bully-boy" or "leg-swinger" or "button presser" or similar. The local man should be renamed as "full time strike planner" or "bacon butty connoisseur"

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05 Dec 2018 18:59 #574 by Mullen103
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Off topic but I see Virgin Trains are evicting a multi award winning mental health charity from the station.

Creative wellbeing provides weekly art classes for those with mental health issues and now have no base as virgin trains told them to leave.

itsawonderfullie.uk/?share_fragment=nVDB...IIN%2F9vfzoP53whc%3D

At least we’re not Stockport

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06 Dec 2018 08:10 #575 by CCU

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CCU wrote:

Dancingbear wrote: Fu cking hell thesilentone is in fact Trudi Harrison MP for Copeland.


You see PMQ’s just now I take it?!


Aye, being a tory i take it she obviously doesnt know anything about solidarity.


This is the brief mention during PMQ’s:


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06 Dec 2018 10:33 #576 by Markovitch
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Says the woman who has over 100 of her own MPs who don't agree with her being leader of the party.

She badly needs a war. Cue more Russian tourists being accused of gas attacks

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06 Dec 2018 12:07 #577 by thesilentone
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Markovitch wrote: Says the woman who has over 100 of her own MPs who don't agree with her being leader of the party.

She badly needs a war. Cue more Russian tourists being accused of gas attacks




.........and the purveyor of most fake news thinks they were Russian tourists ?

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06 Dec 2018 18:08 #578 by Laffy
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I commend the film Wag the Dog to you Marko-May needs some bad news to bury the maelstrom and bring the country back together.

As for Corbyn,anyone who thinks he can unite the country is insane.

Meanwhile, whilst these lunatics fight amongst themselves in the House, the economy is tanking big style.

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06 Dec 2018 18:18 - 06 Dec 2018 18:19 #579 by Markovitch
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The full list of 105 Tory MPs who have indicated they will vote against May.
blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/the-full-l...st-mays-brexit-deal/

The Independent pointing out that a picture half a mile away from the house of a man who could have been anywhere only constitutes evidence in a banana republic

www.independent.co.uk/voices/skripals-be...russia-a8577161.html
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06 Dec 2018 19:59 - 06 Dec 2018 20:10 #580 by thesilentone
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Touche........

"However, a split is emerging on the Labour backbenches which may prove vitally important in the final vote on the Brexit deal."


The people want to leave the EU, 270 of the 400 areas voted to Brexit, their local MP should vote accordingly (if he/she wants to keep their job)
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06 Dec 2018 20:12 #581 by Markovitch
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At least with Tories forming orderly queues to stab May in the back, it means Boris can hope his repeated frauds can slip by. £52 grand unreported by the fraudster. chicken feed compared to £350m a week
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-...d-apologise-13694932

Didn't I read someone on here writing that May came out of this with credit? I suppose if you compare her to Boris or George Custer she could be called a success

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06 Dec 2018 21:10 #582 by Laffy
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Tell me Marko-which MP comes out of this with credit?At lease one Lib MP has come out tonight and is voting with May because his constituents want to leave-well done, someone with a conscience
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06 Dec 2018 21:18 #583 by Markovitch
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Wee bit like saying Johnson and Farage led a group of MPs into the middle of a firing range and the MPs behaved like cowards. We got here because Cameron and Osborne didn't want to pay tax on their offshore trusts. The MPs now realise how bad this could be and are torn between reflecting the wishes of their constituents and doing what they know needs to be done. The Bank of England is forecasting a loss to the economy of £100bn.

Michael Heseltine says a Jeremy Corbyn government would be less damaging for Britain than Brexit
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/m...sa-may-a8129541.html

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06 Dec 2018 23:10 #584 by Dancingbear
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Laffy wrote: Tell me Marko-which MP comes out of this with credit?At lease one Lib MP has come out tonight and is voting with May because his constituents want to leave-well done, someone with a conscience


Ed Milliband who stood against Cameron saying he wouldn’t promise a referendum.

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07 Dec 2018 07:32 #585 by High Street
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And lost.
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07 Dec 2018 11:07 #586 by Dancingbear
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Yep where as the winner created the current shambles.

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11 Dec 2018 19:19 #587 by thesilentone
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Cumbria Tourism business survey highlights.

"The results cover this year’s main visitor season – the six-month period from March to September 2018 – as well as looking ahead into 2019. Alongside Brexit, they reveal that travel disruption and staffing were major issues of concern:

40% report that disruption on the railways was damaging for the region.
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Yesterday 00:25 #588 by High Street
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And how many strikes were on in those dates?
That would be the utter farce that was the Network Rail/Dft concocted timetable change in May.
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