What does a train guard / conductor do ?

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26 Dec 2018 15:10 #601 by thesilentone
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Well that is one thing we agree on, however the current Unions controlling the staffing today are the same ones that wrecked British Rail. Will Nationalising the rails mean getting rid of them so we can have a reliable service ?

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11 Jan 2019 15:46 - 11 Jan 2019 16:39 #602 by thesilentone
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The mods should not add this to existing threads, we should have a new one for everytime they announce more action.......

I wonder how many there will be.

Is it fair to assume that Craig Johnston no longer does anything but eat butties on a picket line ?

"January marks the sixth month of consecutive Saturday strikes, with tomorrow the 44th day of industrial action taken in the long-running dispute with Northern over guards on trains.

Services will be reduced between Carlisle and Newcastle, Carlisle and Settle and along the Cumbrian coast, with very few running after 5pm. Those that do run and other operators' services are expected to be very busy."

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17348760.rail...-another-strike-day/
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11 Jan 2019 19:19 #603 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: The mods should not add this to existing threads, we should have a new one for everytime they announce more action.......

I wonder how many there will be.

Is it fair to assume that Craig Johnston no longer does anything but eat butties on a picket line ?

"January marks the sixth month of consecutive Saturday strikes, with tomorrow the 44th day of industrial action taken in the long-running dispute with Northern over guards on trains.

Services will be reduced between Carlisle and Newcastle, Carlisle and Settle and along the Cumbrian coast, with very few running after 5pm. Those that do run and other operators' services are expected to be very busy."

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17348760.rail...-another-strike-day/


Yeah it really is about time they stepped things up and started causing some serious shit for the Krauts that own Northern.

They could start by reporting every single fault that they find on every single train on every single day in operation

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "

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11 Jan 2019 20:22 #604 by High Street
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thesilentone wrote: Well that is one thing we agree on, however the current Unions controlling the staffing today are the same ones that wrecked British Rail. Will Nationalising the rails mean getting rid of them so we can have a reliable service ?


Nationalising will mean a national strike can take place.
It’s already been established that you know [censored] all about any kindness of railway operations, but wait until the drivers finally get asked the DOO question. They’re the ones that are going to have the final say.

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11 Jan 2019 20:44 #605 by Arragorn
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The answer to the question based on numerous train journeys over the last few months is not f***ing much.
Virgin trains from Carlisle to Glasgow about 3 weeks ago guard/ticket checker went through the train about a couple of minutes after making his unintelligible intercom message after leaving Carlisle and wasn't seen again until we had almost arrived in Glasgow Central.
Went from Glasgow to Edinburgh & never saw a guard/ticket checker.
If I want to travel on Northern Rail on a Saturday it is virtually impossible because of a bunch of dinosaurs whose aim imo is f*** all to do with safety but more to do with money & trying to bring down the elected government which is Mick Cash & his sidekicks aims.
Those of you who either are too young or have short memories wont remember the shambolic mess that was British Rail.
Heaven help the travelling public if its ever nationalised again.

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11 Jan 2019 21:00 #606 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Arragorn wrote: The answer to the question based on numerous train journeys over the last few months is not f***ing much.
Virgin trains from Carlisle to Glasgow about 3 weeks ago guard/ticket checker went through the train about a couple of minutes after making his unintelligible intercom message after leaving Carlisle and wasn't seen again until we had almost arrived in Glasgow Central.
Went from Glasgow to Edinburgh & never saw a guard/ticket checker.
If I want to travel on Northern Rail on a Saturday it is virtually impossible because of a bunch of dinosaurs whose aim imo is f*** all to do with safety but more to do with money & trying to bring down the elected government which is Mick Cash & his sidekicks aims.
Those of you who either are too young or have short memories wont remember the shambolic mess that was British Rail.
Heaven help the travelling public if its ever nationalised again.


So what do you want him to do once hes been thru the train ? Keep repeating the action over and over again.

I think you.ll find that on his journey thru the train people will have been asking him for revised journey plans and the like so the chances are he'd be in his office on the phone or laptop and then going back to the people concerned to explain what hes worked out for them.

And if you really think the current disruption on Saturdays is entirely down to the RMT then you're sadly mistaken With the resources they've had for the past six months Northern could quite easily have just taken a few simple routes out of the equation and replace completely with buses [ Oxenholme to Windermere. Preston to Ormskirk and Accrington to Colne ] Cancelled the early morning and last services on every line. And they would then have been in a position to run a 50% service on all the other lines. Some of the decisions they've made are clearly designed to cause more disruption than anything the RMT could come up with. But then again why wouldn't they when 95% of the great unwashed just believe everything they're told without questioning it

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11 Jan 2019 22:30 #607 by Arragorn
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On the Glasgow trip and we were in coach B he didn't ask to for tickets from Carlisle & I reckon he was up front chatting to the driver as there was nowhere else he could go

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11 Jan 2019 22:32 #608 by Laffy
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I spend a lot of time on trains and the service is generally very good-the Tyne Valley service is parochial but fun and the Carlisle to Glasgow Virgin service is extremely good compared to the East Coast line.

The strike is actually not causing much disruption other than to their pay packets. You get to know the lazy conductors because they simply don’t bother checking tickets-restricting their activities to turning a key to open all the doors.On the whole,I think they have been more attentive during the strike-I assume to make themselves look indispensable.

The Virgin staff are usually very good-professional and helpful.They often don’t bother checking tickets however-particularly going north.

The strike in our area appears to be having very little adverse impact in my view-utterly futile and actually starting to become mainstream with no impact.

If this was a nationalised service, the outcome would be very different.No service whatsoever with a gun held to the government’s head.

Why both sides can’t agree something is beyond me

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11 Jan 2019 22:47 #609 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: I spend a lot of time on trains and the service is generally very good-the Tyne Valley service is parochial but fun and the Carlisle to Glasgow Virgin service is extremely good compared to the East Coast line.

The strike is actually not causing much disruption other than to their pay packets. You get to know the lazy conductors because they simply don’t bother checking tickets-restricting their activities to turning a key to open all the doors.On the whole,I think they have been more attentive during the strike-I assume to make themselves look indispensable.

The Virgin staff are usually very good-professional and helpful.They often don’t bother checking tickets however-particularly going north.

The strike in our area appears to be having very little adverse impact in my view-utterly futile and actually starting to become mainstream with no impact.

If this was a nationalised service, the outcome would be very different.No service whatsoever with a gun held to the government’s head.

Why both sides can’t agree something is beyond me


They probably could if your mate Mother Teressa told Northern they can keep the £200m bribe that she paid them in spite of their plan failing miserably and stopped drip feeding them even more in compensation for other disruptions they were in the main responsible for. Either that or make them pay it back it which case you wouldn't see the Krauts for dust.

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "

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11 Jan 2019 23:09 #610 by CCU
Speaking of the Tyne Valley Line, did anyone see the crash earlier in the week at Warden Level Crossing near Hexham?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-46801912

Thankfully no injuries.

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12 Jan 2019 18:28 #611 by Laffy
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I came off there on my bike before Xmas-problem is the line doesn’t cross the road at a right angle so easy to slip-result was a trip to Hexham Hospital-no there is an example of a total waste of taxpayers money.
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12 Jan 2019 19:27 #612 by High Street
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Arragorn wrote: On the Glasgow trip and we were in coach B he didn't ask to for tickets from Carlisle & I reckon he was up front chatting to the driver as there was nowhere else he could go


Reckon or know? Anyone travelling with the driver results in the driver and the other person being sacked, so very very unlikely.
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12 Jan 2019 21:33 - 12 Jan 2019 21:34 #613 by CCU

Laffy wrote: I came off there on my bike before Xmas-problem is the line doesn’t cross the road at a right angle so easy to slip-result was a trip to Hexham Hospital-no there is an example of a total waste of taxpayers money.


You were doing a wheelie weren’t you?!


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12 Jan 2019 22:09 #614 by munchymagic
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Laffy wrote: I came off there on my bike before Xmas-problem is the line doesn’t cross the road at a right angle so easy to slip-result was a trip to Hexham Hospital-no there is an example of a total waste of taxpayers money.


I hope that it was not too bad an injury pal.

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06 Feb 2019 17:00 - 06 Feb 2019 17:22 #615 by CCU
Strikes halted - Though too late to sort out for this Saturday service!

“Through the talks process the company have now offered a guarantee of a conductor on all trains, including the new fleet, for the duration of the current franchise. The guarantee is supported by the Department for Transport.”


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06 Feb 2019 18:23 #616 by High Street
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Wow. Excellent news. If not unexpected, considering the costs invlolved.
Hopefully McNulty’s report is in the bin

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06 Feb 2019 18:45 #617 by Taffy-P
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This is great news I think the whole economy of Carlisle has been hit by this as there’s 100’s of West Cumbrians on every Saturday most are getting pissed in the Town but one or two drift down to the football (like me)

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06 Feb 2019 19:15 #618 by Laffy
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What a relief.

By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway unless Corbyn gets in which would take us back to horse and cart-hang on,who replaced that square wheel with a round one?Its bad for jobs.

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06 Feb 2019 19:19 #619 by Taffy-P
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Laffy wrote: What a relief.

By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway unless Corbyn gets in which would take us back to horse and cart-hang on,who replaced that square wheel with a round one?Its bad for jobs.

I hope they haven’t given in to a German firm running our Railways At least when Corbyn gets in We are going to take back control

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06 Feb 2019 19:27 #620 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Taffy-P wrote:

Laffy wrote: What a relief.

By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway unless Corbyn gets in which would take us back to horse and cart-hang on,who replaced that square wheel with a round one?Its bad for jobs.

I hope they haven’t given in to a German firm running our Railways At least when Corbyn gets in We are going to take back control


We should just be taking back control tomorrow instead of paying the Krauts to back down

Really hope the proper guards go after the scabs that have been propping Northern up for the last two years now.

" if the old git stepped out in front of my car i wouldnt be looking for the brakes thats for sure "

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06 Feb 2019 19:43 #621 by CCU

Laffy wrote: By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway


Franchise ends in 6yrs not 60yrs!

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07 Feb 2019 10:58 - 07 Feb 2019 11:26 #622 by thesilentone
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Wot, no more bacon butties...............!!

So after a climb-down by the RMT, it appears the strikes can be taken off the train timetables.

However, what about the lack of bacon and coffee, and the slump in sales around the various Stations where the Pickets have dined out for months ?

An unnamed spokesperson for the local traders said " This is just not on, we have fed and watered those strikers for months and months now, and they call of the strike off at the drop of a hat, ssshhh, it's not right, is it ? "

They then went on to say " I think we should go on strike, and demand more strikes"

As well as agreeing to being called ' Conductors' it has been requested by Union officials, that although it is a bit girly, no one should call the female employees Clippies...........

In addition to the new name, although not in the press, it has also been agreed that Netwerk Rayl, will pay for two seasons of gym subscriptions to get the staff back in working condition, as the stocks of XXXL Uniforms is almost depleted.....
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18 Feb 2019 17:56 - 18 Feb 2019 17:57 #623 by CCU
South Western now back down:

"Through the talks process the company have now offered a guarantee of a guard on the South Western Railway services that have been in dispute."


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