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26 Dec 2018 15:10 #601 by thesilentone
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Well that is one thing we agree on, however the current Unions controlling the staffing today are the same ones that wrecked British Rail. Will Nationalising the rails mean getting rid of them so we can have a reliable service ?

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11 Jan 2019 15:46 - 11 Jan 2019 16:39 #602 by thesilentone
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The mods should not add this to existing threads, we should have a new one for everytime they announce more action.......

I wonder how many there will be.

Is it fair to assume that Craig Johnston no longer does anything but eat butties on a picket line ?

"January marks the sixth month of consecutive Saturday strikes, with tomorrow the 44th day of industrial action taken in the long-running dispute with Northern over guards on trains.

Services will be reduced between Carlisle and Newcastle, Carlisle and Settle and along the Cumbrian coast, with very few running after 5pm. Those that do run and other operators' services are expected to be very busy."

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17348760.rail...-another-strike-day/
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11 Jan 2019 19:19 #603 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: The mods should not add this to existing threads, we should have a new one for everytime they announce more action.......

I wonder how many there will be.

Is it fair to assume that Craig Johnston no longer does anything but eat butties on a picket line ?

"January marks the sixth month of consecutive Saturday strikes, with tomorrow the 44th day of industrial action taken in the long-running dispute with Northern over guards on trains.

Services will be reduced between Carlisle and Newcastle, Carlisle and Settle and along the Cumbrian coast, with very few running after 5pm. Those that do run and other operators' services are expected to be very busy."

www.newsandstar.co.uk/news/17348760.rail...-another-strike-day/


Yeah it really is about time they stepped things up and started causing some serious shit for the Krauts that own Northern.

They could start by reporting every single fault that they find on every single train on every single day in operation

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11 Jan 2019 20:22 #604 by High Street
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thesilentone wrote: Well that is one thing we agree on, however the current Unions controlling the staffing today are the same ones that wrecked British Rail. Will Nationalising the rails mean getting rid of them so we can have a reliable service ?


Nationalising will mean a national strike can take place.
It’s already been established that you know [censored] all about any kindness of railway operations, but wait until the drivers finally get asked the DOO question. They’re the ones that are going to have the final say.

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11 Jan 2019 20:44 #605 by Arragorn
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The answer to the question based on numerous train journeys over the last few months is not [censored] much.
Virgin trains from Carlisle to Glasgow about 3 weeks ago guard/ticket checker went through the train about a couple of minutes after making his unintelligible intercom message after leaving Carlisle and wasn't seen again until we had almost arrived in Glasgow Central.
Went from Glasgow to Edinburgh & never saw a guard/ticket checker.
If I want to travel on Northern Rail on a Saturday it is virtually impossible because of a bunch of dinosaurs whose aim imo is [censored] all to do with safety but more to do with money & trying to bring down the elected government which is Mick Cash & his sidekicks aims.
Those of you who either are too young or have short memories wont remember the shambolic mess that was British Rail.
Heaven help the travelling public if its ever nationalised again.

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11 Jan 2019 21:00 #606 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Arragorn wrote: The answer to the question based on numerous train journeys over the last few months is not [censored] much.
Virgin trains from Carlisle to Glasgow about 3 weeks ago guard/ticket checker went through the train about a couple of minutes after making his unintelligible intercom message after leaving Carlisle and wasn't seen again until we had almost arrived in Glasgow Central.
Went from Glasgow to Edinburgh & never saw a guard/ticket checker.
If I want to travel on Northern Rail on a Saturday it is virtually impossible because of a bunch of dinosaurs whose aim imo is [censored] all to do with safety but more to do with money & trying to bring down the elected government which is Mick Cash & his sidekicks aims.
Those of you who either are too young or have short memories wont remember the shambolic mess that was British Rail.
Heaven help the travelling public if its ever nationalised again.


So what do you want him to do once hes been thru the train ? Keep repeating the action over and over again.

I think you.ll find that on his journey thru the train people will have been asking him for revised journey plans and the like so the chances are he'd be in his office on the phone or laptop and then going back to the people concerned to explain what hes worked out for them.

And if you really think the current disruption on Saturdays is entirely down to the RMT then you're sadly mistaken With the resources they've had for the past six months Northern could quite easily have just taken a few simple routes out of the equation and replace completely with buses [ Oxenholme to Windermere. Preston to Ormskirk and Accrington to Colne ] Cancelled the early morning and last services on every line. And they would then have been in a position to run a 50% service on all the other lines. Some of the decisions they've made are clearly designed to cause more disruption than anything the RMT could come up with. But then again why wouldn't they when 95% of the great unwashed just believe everything they're told without questioning it

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11 Jan 2019 22:30 #607 by Arragorn
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On the Glasgow trip and we were in coach B he didn't ask to for tickets from Carlisle & I reckon he was up front chatting to the driver as there was nowhere else he could go

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11 Jan 2019 22:32 #608 by Laffy
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I spend a lot of time on trains and the service is generally very good-the Tyne Valley service is parochial but fun and the Carlisle to Glasgow Virgin service is extremely good compared to the East Coast line.

The strike is actually not causing much disruption other than to their pay packets. You get to know the lazy conductors because they simply don’t bother checking tickets-restricting their activities to turning a key to open all the doors.On the whole,I think they have been more attentive during the strike-I assume to make themselves look indispensable.

The Virgin staff are usually very good-professional and helpful.They often don’t bother checking tickets however-particularly going north.

The strike in our area appears to be having very little adverse impact in my view-utterly futile and actually starting to become mainstream with no impact.

If this was a nationalised service, the outcome would be very different.No service whatsoever with a gun held to the government’s head.

Why both sides can’t agree something is beyond me

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11 Jan 2019 22:47 #609 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: I spend a lot of time on trains and the service is generally very good-the Tyne Valley service is parochial but fun and the Carlisle to Glasgow Virgin service is extremely good compared to the East Coast line.

The strike is actually not causing much disruption other than to their pay packets. You get to know the lazy conductors because they simply don’t bother checking tickets-restricting their activities to turning a key to open all the doors.On the whole,I think they have been more attentive during the strike-I assume to make themselves look indispensable.

The Virgin staff are usually very good-professional and helpful.They often don’t bother checking tickets however-particularly going north.

The strike in our area appears to be having very little adverse impact in my view-utterly futile and actually starting to become mainstream with no impact.

If this was a nationalised service, the outcome would be very different.No service whatsoever with a gun held to the government’s head.

Why both sides can’t agree something is beyond me


They probably could if your mate Mother Teressa told Northern they can keep the £200m bribe that she paid them in spite of their plan failing miserably and stopped drip feeding them even more in compensation for other disruptions they were in the main responsible for. Either that or make them pay it back it which case you wouldn't see the Krauts for dust.

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11 Jan 2019 23:09 #610 by CCU
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Speaking of the Tyne Valley Line, did anyone see the crash earlier in the week at Warden Level Crossing near Hexham?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-46801912

Thankfully no injuries.

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12 Jan 2019 18:28 #611 by Laffy
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I came off there on my bike before Xmas-problem is the line doesn’t cross the road at a right angle so easy to slip-result was a trip to Hexham Hospital-no there is an example of a total waste of taxpayers money.
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12 Jan 2019 19:27 #612 by High Street
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Arragorn wrote: On the Glasgow trip and we were in coach B he didn't ask to for tickets from Carlisle & I reckon he was up front chatting to the driver as there was nowhere else he could go


Reckon or know? Anyone travelling with the driver results in the driver and the other person being sacked, so very very unlikely.
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12 Jan 2019 21:33 - 12 Jan 2019 21:34 #613 by CCU
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Laffy wrote: I came off there on my bike before Xmas-problem is the line doesn’t cross the road at a right angle so easy to slip-result was a trip to Hexham Hospital-no there is an example of a total waste of taxpayers money.


You were doing a wheelie weren’t you?!


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12 Jan 2019 22:09 #614 by munchymagic
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Laffy wrote: I came off there on my bike before Xmas-problem is the line doesn’t cross the road at a right angle so easy to slip-result was a trip to Hexham Hospital-no there is an example of a total waste of taxpayers money.


I hope that it was not too bad an injury pal.

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06 Feb 2019 17:00 - 06 Feb 2019 17:22 #615 by CCU
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Strikes halted - Though too late to sort out for this Saturday service!

“Through the talks process the company have now offered a guarantee of a conductor on all trains, including the new fleet, for the duration of the current franchise. The guarantee is supported by the Department for Transport.”


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06 Feb 2019 18:23 #616 by High Street
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Wow. Excellent news. If not unexpected, considering the costs invlolved.
Hopefully McNulty’s report is in the bin

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06 Feb 2019 18:45 #617 by Taffy-P
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This is great news I think the whole economy of Carlisle has been hit by this as there’s 100’s of West Cumbrians on every Saturday most are getting pissed in the Town but one or two drift down to the football (like me)

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06 Feb 2019 19:15 #618 by Laffy
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What a relief.

By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway unless Corbyn gets in which would take us back to horse and cart-hang on,who replaced that square wheel with a round one?Its bad for jobs.

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06 Feb 2019 19:19 #619 by Taffy-P
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Laffy wrote: What a relief.

By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway unless Corbyn gets in which would take us back to horse and cart-hang on,who replaced that square wheel with a round one?Its bad for jobs.

I hope they haven’t given in to a German firm running our Railways At least when Corbyn gets in We are going to take back control

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06 Feb 2019 19:27 #620 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Taffy-P wrote:

Laffy wrote: What a relief.

By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway unless Corbyn gets in which would take us back to horse and cart-hang on,who replaced that square wheel with a round one?Its bad for jobs.

I hope they haven’t given in to a German firm running our Railways At least when Corbyn gets in We are going to take back control


We should just be taking back control tomorrow instead of paying the Krauts to back down

Really hope the proper guards go after the scabs that have been propping Northern up for the last two years now.

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06 Feb 2019 19:43 #621 by CCU
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Laffy wrote: By the end of the franchise,I’m pretty sure we will have driverless trains anyway


Franchise ends in 6yrs not 60yrs!

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07 Feb 2019 10:58 - 07 Feb 2019 11:26 #622 by thesilentone
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Wot, no more bacon butties...............!!

So after a climb-down by the RMT, it appears the strikes can be taken off the train timetables.

However, what about the lack of bacon and coffee, and the slump in sales around the various Stations where the Pickets have dined out for months ?

An unnamed spokesperson for the local traders said " This is just not on, we have fed and watered those strikers for months and months now, and they call of the strike off at the drop of a hat, ssshhh, it's not right, is it ? "

They then went on to say " I think we should go on strike, and demand more strikes"

As well as agreeing to being called ' Conductors' it has been requested by Union officials, that although it is a bit girly, no one should call the female employees Clippies...........

In addition to the new name, although not in the press, it has also been agreed that Netwerk Rayl, will pay for two seasons of gym subscriptions to get the staff back in working condition, as the stocks of XXXL Uniforms is almost depleted.....
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18 Feb 2019 17:56 - 18 Feb 2019 17:57 #623 by CCU
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South Western now back down:

"Through the talks process the company have now offered a guarantee of a guard on the South Western Railway services that have been in dispute."


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06 Jun 2019 13:53 #624 by thesilentone
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So, our already overpaid, unskilled and under-worked Tube Drivers are getting even greedier.........

Or, is there a spell of high pressure in the weather forecast ?

I'm sure brother Jezza will see them as down-trodden, victims of Tory cuts or Brexit, or Climate Change.......I'll bet in the interest of fairness he won't be talking about pay-cuts for militants.

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06 Jun 2019 14:24 - 06 Jun 2019 14:26 #625 by bluebry
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thesilentone wrote: So, our already overpaid, unskilled and under-worked Tube Drivers are getting even greedier.........

Or, is there a spell of high pressure in the weather forecast ?

I'm sure brother Jezza will see them as down-trodden, victims of Tory cuts or Brexit, or Climate Change.......I'll bet in the interest of fairness he won't be talking about pay-cuts for militants.


Poor little things they're only on £48,000, most of them must be on the breadline!!

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06 Jun 2019 14:51 #626 by ParcelPete
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I'm guessing the 48k is not the basic wage and includes weekend working and lots of overtime.

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06 Jun 2019 15:01 #627 by munchymagic
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ParcelPete wrote: I'm guessing the 48k is not the basic wage and includes weekend working and lots of overtime.


If you look at it like a Spectrum then 16k is nowhere near as good as 48k.

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06 Jun 2019 15:16 - 06 Jun 2019 15:17 #628 by CCU
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Average base pay for a TFL Tube Driver is approx £55k, most will make approx £70k with overtime, anti-social hours and performance awards, there are also extreme cases who make upwards of £100k!

The skills and knowledge required to drive a train are many, if only it was as simple as pushing a lever or two! The wage reflects this. Nearly all (And I’m talking 99.9%) of Vacancies don’t reach the general public as TFL promote from within. You work up from being a Customer Assistant, up the ladder to eventually driving if you so wish.

I can’t comment on the situation TSO has posted until I’ve read up on it...

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06 Jun 2019 15:23 - 06 Jun 2019 15:27 #629 by thesilentone
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They wouldn't get out of bed to work their three day week for £48k !!

'Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act show that the highest paid driver on the London Underground received £103,374, more than many airline pilots. According to Transport for London (TfL), nine drivers were paid more than £100,000, 30 got more than £80,000 and 100 received between £70,000 and £80,000.'

The latest figures:


'The majority of London Underground train drivers, approximately 3,000 of them, made £70,000-£80,000 last year when overtime and benefits is included. In a statement, TfL said: “The average base pay of a Tube driver is £55,011.'

The skills required are: " has he/she/it/that got a pulse"
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06 Jun 2019 15:31 #630 by CCU
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Can you pop a link up for that? Ta... ;)

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06 Jun 2019 15:35 #631 by munchymagic
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"The skills required are: " has he/she/it/that got a pulse"

You REALLY dislike rail workers don't you.
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06 Jun 2019 16:11 #632 by Urban Designer
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They only get away with it because they can hold to ransom a London economy that is worth hundreds of billions a year.

Wonder how much the Newcastle metro drivers get?

The best transport in London is the DLR - always on time, never cancelled and no drivers!

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06 Jun 2019 16:15 #633 by High Street
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Tube=London

Who gives a [censored]?

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06 Jun 2019 16:36 #634 by CCU
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Urban Designer wrote: Wonder how much the Newcastle metro drivers get?


Flat rate is approx £35k a year, before any additional payments...

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06 Jun 2019 16:55 #635 by thesilentone
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After speaking to my line manager, who contacted the communications department, who then double checked with the Union to see if it was in my job description.

The link: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7111607...lt-tube-strikes.html
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06 Jun 2019 16:58 #636 by thesilentone
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munchymagic wrote: "The skills required are: " has he/she/it/that got a pulse"

You REALLY dislike rail workers don't you.


No, I don't dislike rail workers, but I detest the fat lazy bully boys at the top of the RMT, who would be better employed as bouncers as they have a similar IQ.

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06 Jun 2019 17:06 - 06 Jun 2019 17:09 #637 by thesilentone
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To quote Mick Cash: "General secretary Mick Cash said the failure of Tube bosses to come up with proposals that met the union's calls for serious improvements in both pay and working conditions had been the catalsyst for the collapse of today's talk."

So, £70-80k
36 working hours
43 Days Holiday
Free travel in London for staff and partner.
They can retire at 50 with a pension

What the hxxl do they want ??
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06 Jun 2019 17:13 #638 by Waltero
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They want shooting that's what

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06 Jun 2019 17:27 #639 by kickergold
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More money presumably

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06 Jun 2019 21:45 #640 by Dancingbear
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thesilentone wrote:

munchymagic wrote: "The skills required are: " has he/she/it/that got a pulse"

You REALLY dislike rail workers don't you.


No, I don't dislike rail workers, but I detest the fat lazy bully boys at the top of the RMT, who would be better employed as bouncers as they have a similar IQ.


Bloody hell hes having a go at bouncers now.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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06 Jun 2019 23:57 #641 by digger
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There’s more to driving a train than pushing a few pedals and by the way you need more than just a pulse to operate a train full of hundreds of people and nor is it such an unskilled job as some on here seem to think,and no I’m not a train driver before anyone says I am.
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07 Jun 2019 00:16 #642 by munchymagic
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My Grandad was a steam train driver, how we ended up in Carlisle really.

One of my mates from when I was a kid, his Dad was a modern day train driver and he let me sit up front once on a train, I was amazed.

I have the upmost respect for these people, never done it myself but I could tell it wasn't just a case of turning up for your job but that just like driving your car it also demands a suspicion of what can go wrong and an intellect of how to deal with it.
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07 Jun 2019 09:43 #643 by carwash
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CCU wrote:

Urban Designer wrote: Wonder how much the Newcastle metro drivers get?


Flat rate is approx £35k a year, before any additional payments...


My uncle was a steam engine driver before getting a job as one of the first Newcastle metro drivers. He says the metro job was a doddle compared to the other jobs he'd done. Most tube passengers don't begrudge the drivers a decent salary package because they recognise it is a very demanding stressful job.
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07 Jun 2019 09:51 - 07 Jun 2019 09:54 #644 by thesilentone
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Driving a Tube Train is no more, or even less difficult that driving a bus (you don't need to reverse a tube). It is not a skilled job, however it does require some training that most people could easily pass.

The sooner we get driver-less Tubes the better !

Anyone who was a Steam Train Driver had a far more complex and stressful job than any Tube Driver will ever encounter.
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07 Jun 2019 15:46 #645 by Flatcap
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Didn't realise that there were tube lines in Cumbria.

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07 Jun 2019 16:36 #646 by AlbertRoss
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thesilentone wrote: Driving a Tube Train is no more, or even less difficult that driving a bus (you don't need to reverse a tube). It is not a skilled job, however it does require some training that most people could easily pass.

The sooner we get driver-less Tubes the better !

Anyone who was a Steam Train Driver had a far more complex and stressful job than any Tube Driver will ever encounter.



And you've driven both, I take it? You seem authoritative on the subject.
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07 Jun 2019 18:16 #647 by BSTANDBLUE
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Plenty of opinions on here, I suggest all the knockers apply for a train drivers job, then they’ll see how easy it is to be selected never mind doing the job !!
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07 Jun 2019 18:52 #648 by munchymagic
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I would guess that more accidents have been prevented that we will ever hear about by train drivers using their common sense rather than following procedure.
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07 Jun 2019 19:55 #649 by Dancingbear
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It seems to me that some people ie thesilentone dont really like to see peasants get a decent wage. Where i work some of the cleaners have been on strike and staff have been complaining if they get into work a little bit late. The cleaners are on about £8.50 a hour whereas some of the staff will easily be on double that. Im sure some of them forget were all from the same community and think theyre above others.

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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07 Jun 2019 19:58 #650 by Unrepentant blue
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I kind of like it when the normal working man can hold the powers that be to ransom.
Makes a change from the usual fat greedy gits at the top awarding themselves stupid pay/pension packages.
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