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22 Jul 2016 18:02 - 28 Jan 2020 12:04 #1 by CCU
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Some PL Clubs open to the idea it seems...

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/artic...ubs-favour-move.html

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22 Jul 2016 19:01 #2 by nobbyblue
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CCU wrote: Some PL Clubs open to the idea it seems...

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/artic...ubs-favour-move.html


Waste of time. If it was ordinary terracing fair enough but you're just standing in front of a seat basically!

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22 Jul 2016 19:39 - 22 Jul 2016 19:40 #3 by CCU
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You'll be crying out for it when the Billionaire leads us up to the Premier League!

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22 Jul 2016 19:56 #4 by bruntonpete
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How many seats would have been in the same space? Has it increased capacity?

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23 Jul 2016 01:56 #5 by NORTHERNSOUL
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bruntonpete wrote: How many seats would have been in the same space? Has it increased capacity?


Yeah i was wondering if the figure quoted was for standing or sitting it seems very very low if thats the standing figure for an area of that size.

In Germany using that system the figure for standing is 1.75 x the number of seats which would put that area at about 5k which seems a bit nearer.

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23 Jul 2016 05:07 #6 by Richard Archer
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It's a bit of a funny experience like, you actually get an allocated place to stand in at most grounds in Germany. Would be a bit chaotic in England at some places to start with I reckon as people wouldn't realise it wasn't stand where you fancy.

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23 Jul 2016 09:59 #7 by Dave
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I went to the old Wembley many years ago for the Spurs v Leicester Cup Final. Stewards ushered us every step of the way to the exact place where we were to stand. Each terrace step was deep enough to hold two rows, and high enough to give an uninterrupted view over the row in front. Plenty of crash barriers to prevent crowd movement, both horizontal across the terrace and up and down, so that it was divided, very nearly, into self contained pens, although there was space to go under the barrier and gaps to allow flow out if required. Seemed quite safe and sensible to me, and would have held twice as many spectators as seats would have.
A move back to safe terracing something like that is both safe and sensible, especially as in many grounds there are large sections where people habitually stand in front of their seat - surely a more dangerous situation.

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23 Jul 2016 13:19 #8 by CumbrianView
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Whats wrong with seating .The only problem i have with it is the tits who stand up in front of you when theirs a corner or chance surely they will see the exact same thing if they sat down. Its like the darts why go to the darts and chant football songs when its a different game cant really understand that .... :evil:

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23 Jul 2016 13:49 #9 by NORTHERNSOUL
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CumbrianView wrote: Whats wrong with seating .The only problem i have with it is the tits who stand up in front of you when theirs a corner or chance surely they will see the exact same thing if they sat down. Its like the darts why go to the darts and chant football songs when its a different game cant really understand that .... :evil:


Its called personal choice if i want to stand then i should be allowed to stand its been proved that all seated stadia hasnt done what it was intended to do just like all the other government enforced interference in football like ID cards and fences.

Seating doesnt make grounds any more or less safer. What will they do if theres another disaster and its proved that seating made it worse ? Legislate to remove all seats
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As its now been proved that Hillsborough was down to any number of other reasons not just because there was standing there the seating only restrictions should be removed now and grounds returned to standing and not just to safe seating that should just be used as a way of getting round the ridiculous UEFA rules until they get round to changing them.

But yes i agree with you about the arses who stand up every time theres a bloody corner.
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23 Jul 2016 15:31 #10 by Wukkie
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Richard Archer wrote: It's a bit of a funny experience like, you actually get an allocated place to stand in at most grounds in Germany. Would be a bit chaotic in England at some places to start with I reckon as people wouldn't realise it wasn't stand where you fancy.


Sounds a bit like the paddock really where people are frowned upon if they are stood on someone's regular concrete patch.

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23 Jul 2016 16:58 #11 by heilkmoon
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Wukkie wrote:

Richard Archer wrote: It's a bit of a funny experience like, you actually get an allocated place to stand in at most grounds in Germany. Would be a bit chaotic in England at some places to start with I reckon as people wouldn't realise it wasn't stand where you fancy.


Sounds a bit like the paddock really where people are frowned upon if they are stood on someone's regular concrete patch.


Some of the BO-reeking serial farters in there are more than welcome to their own space.

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17 Oct 2016 08:34 #12 by CCU
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Appreciate this doesn't affect us at present, but if Blue Yonder ever did kick off (Stop giggling at the back!), it'd be good to have some safe standing involved...

Takes a couple of minutes to do...

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17 Oct 2016 11:13 #13 by seesaw50
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We have safe standing a plenty...but its imperative to have standing areas, especially in lower leagues...
Don't know about PL but my worst match experience ever was at Anfield..packed in like sardines in tiny seats built for midgets!

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17 Oct 2016 12:14 #14 by NORTHERNSOUL
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seesaw50 wrote: We have safe standing a plenty...but its imperative to have standing areas, especially in lower leagues...
Don't know about PL but my worst match experience ever was at Anfield..packed in like sardines in tiny seats built for midgets!


You only heed to go to the expense of rail seating if you have aspirations of playing in Europe.

Otherwise you just build terracing that complies with current regulations and that could easily be converted to seating of necessary

Current thinking is that within the next 2 years several restrictive pieces of legislation brought in post Bradford/Hillsborough will be removed and the safety authorities/FA/FL will then allow Standing areas in the championship and rail seating for clubs in the premiership.

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17 Oct 2016 12:23 #15 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote: We have safe standing a plenty...but its imperative to have standing areas, especially in lower leagues...
Don't know about PL but my worst match experience ever was at Anfield..packed in like sardines in tiny seats built for midgets!


Can think of a couple off the top of my head a lot worse than anfield. Old Trafford (where I sat anyway but mates say they all aren't like that) and Brentford are both terrible.

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17 Oct 2016 13:28 #16 by MerseysideBlue
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Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote: We have safe standing a plenty...but its imperative to have standing areas, especially in lower leagues...
Don't know about PL but my worst match experience ever was at Anfield..packed in like sardines in tiny seats built for midgets!


Can think of a couple off the top of my head a lot worse than anfield. Old Trafford (where I sat anyway but mates say they all aren't like that) and Brentford are both terrible.


Goodison Park is shocking too.

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17 Oct 2016 13:37 #17 by Richard Archer
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Think most old stadiums are pretty bad for leg room, lad earlier mentioned Luton as being terrible. Allianz Arena in Munich for example has loads of room and very wide seats - can't remember but I imagine Wembley and the Emirates are pretty similar. From what I remember Ibrox was pretty tight.

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17 Oct 2016 15:11 #18 by DeckchairBlue
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Luton need to convert their away was to standing. Worst ground I've been to for leg room.

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17 Oct 2016 15:58 #19 by NORTHERNSOUL
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DeckchairBlue wrote: Luton need to convert their away was to standing. Worst ground I've been to for leg room.


And they could do it anytime they like

Accrington asked if they could do it in the summer and within 24 hours got a yes go ahead and do it they were even given 2 years dispensation from the 2000 seats rule

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17 Oct 2016 17:13 #20 by bluebry
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seesaw50 wrote: We have safe standing a plenty...but its imperative to have standing areas, especially in lower leagues...
Don't know about PL but my worst match experience ever was at Anfield..packed in like sardines in tiny seats built for midgets!


Old Trafford is even bloody worse, suppose its built that way to accommodate all those little Chinese/Japanese fellas :whistle:
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17 Oct 2016 18:36 #21 by seesaw50
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: Luton need to convert their away was to standing. Worst ground I've been to for leg room.


And they could do it anytime they like

Accrington asked if they could do it in the summer and within 24 hours got a yes go ahead and do it they were even given 2 years dispensation from the 2000 seats rule


Accrington iis shocking down the long side opposite the stand.... Not only no leg room you are right on top of the pitch.....how that ground passes FA rules is beyond me

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17 Oct 2016 18:43 #22 by Dancingbear
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Richard Archer wrote: Think most old stadiums are pretty bad for leg room, lad earlier mentioned Luton as being terrible. Allianz Arena in Munich for example has loads of room and very wide seats - can't remember but I imagine Wembley and the Emirates are pretty similar. From what I remember Ibrox was pretty tight.


Where abouts did you sit at Ibrox? Ive always found the legroom to be OK there. Seats maybe arent the widest in the world but never had legroom issues.

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17 Oct 2016 19:47 - 17 Oct 2016 19:48 #23 by Richard Archer
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Dancingbear wrote:

Richard Archer wrote: Think most old stadiums are pretty bad for leg room, lad earlier mentioned Luton as being terrible. Allianz Arena in Munich for example has loads of room and very wide seats - can't remember but I imagine Wembley and the Emirates are pretty similar. From what I remember Ibrox was pretty tight.


Where abouts did you sit at Ibrox? Ive always found the legroom to be OK there. Seats maybe arent the widest in the world but never had legroom issues.


Been over ten times like but I may be wrong, memory of it being tight comes from the CL match with United in 2003/2004? Sat behind and sure it was pretty tight. First time I went Ibrox I was about 10 so 1990 and it was the last season with standing and we went in the standing at the side - learnt a few new words that day!
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17 Oct 2016 20:45 - 17 Oct 2016 21:26 #24 by NORTHERNSOUL
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seesaw50 wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: Luton need to convert their away was to standing. Worst ground I've been to for leg room.


And they could do it anytime they like

Accrington asked if they could do it in the summer and within 24 hours got a yes go ahead and do it they were even given 2 years dispensation from the 2000 seats rule


Accrington iis shocking down the long side opposite the stand.... Not only no leg room you are right on top of the pitch.....how that ground passes FA rules is beyond me


And thats why it will be no more after this season replaced by a brand spanking new 1500 seater stand with all mod cons and facilities.

The seats were only put in there to get them over the 2k thats in the rules so blame them not the club and i think i.m right in saying Andy Holt asked to take them out last summer too but i suppose that was a step to far for the authorities. The new seats theyve put in the main stand are some of the best i.ve seen wide enough for a fat [censored] like me and good legroom too.

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27 Jun 2017 10:30 #25 by CCU
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27 Jun 2017 10:39 #26 by markredfox73
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Standing is already safe to many of us already...We wont get another disaster like Hillsborough again...some need to see this despite the tragedy, lots of safety measures are in place these days. For me there is no better way to watch a game and stand where you like ...Good on Shrews to actually wanting to revert to standing.


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27 Jun 2017 11:17 #27 by CCU
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27 Jun 2017 11:43 - 27 Jun 2017 11:47 #28 by nobbyblue
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markredfox73 wrote: Standing is already safe to many of us already...We wont get another disaster like Hillsborough again...some need to see this despite the tragedy, lots of safety measures are in place these days. For me there is no better way to watch a game and stand where you like ...Good on Shrews to actually wanting to revert to standing.


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I totally agree but these new standing areas mean you're standing in the same place all the time in the space where a seat would have been. You might as well be sitting down as it won't be like a normal terrace.

Total waste of time in my eyes. There's nowt wrong with old fashioned terracing as can be seen at Brunton Park as long as you don't overcrowd it.
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27 Jun 2017 12:11 #29 by NORTHERNSOUL
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nobbyblue wrote:

markredfox73 wrote: Standing is already safe to many of us already...We wont get another disaster like Hillsborough again...some need to see this despite the tragedy, lots of safety measures are in place these days. For me there is no better way to watch a game and stand where you like ...Good on Shrews to actually wanting to revert to standing.


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I totally agree but these new standing areas mean you're standing in the same place all the time in the space where a seat would have been. You might as well be sitting down as it won't be like a normal terrace.

Total waste of time in my eyes. There's nowt wrong with old fashioned terracing as can be seen at Brunton Park as long as you don't overcrowd it.


Exactly if you want standing just install barriers

The only use for Rail seating is for clubs who might have a chance of playing in a Euafa competition before they get round to allowing standing again

But the biggest problem here is that unless someone was to get very clever it would need legislation to be changed to allow it to happen strangely enough it could be Brighton who are leading the way and their owner seems to be willing to put some cash behind making it happen.

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27 Jun 2017 12:42 #30 by markredfox73
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True rip the lot up and use regular barriers like we still have.. much easier to do.

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27 Jun 2017 13:28 #31 by crunchblue
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markredfox73 wrote: True rip the lot up and use regular barriers like we still have.. much easier to do.

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Or better still, move all matches to Derwent Park.

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27 Jun 2017 14:13 #32 by franksidebottom
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Always wondered why it's deemed safe to stand in a full house at Brunton Park v Everton yet it's deemed unsafe to stand in a PL ground.

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27 Jun 2017 15:29 #33 by Wukkie
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I much prefer sit at games, far more comfortable. Those rail seats would be crap when sitting would be the only option given that the barrier looks to be right in your eyeline. Last time I stood at a match must have been in the 90's.
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27 Jun 2017 15:30 #34 by Flatcap
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Things have changed a lot since the Taylor Report of over 20 years ago.
There's now a lot of standing in seated areas.
Is that safer than designated standing areas with sufficient barrier arrangements?

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27 Jun 2017 16:51 #35 by nobbyblue
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franksidebottom wrote: Always wondered why it's deemed safe to stand in a full house at Brunton Park v Everton yet it's deemed unsafe to stand in a PL ground.


A very valid point Frank.

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27 Jun 2017 21:04 #36 by bruntonpete
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It does show how progressive and forward thinking our board are though. Realising in 30 years on that others would want to revert back to terracing, they decided to keep ours and not updated or upgrade any facilities to help give our fans that true 1970s feel .
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27 Jul 2017 10:01 #37 by CCU
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27 Jul 2017 10:31 #38 by Mush
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markredfox73 wrote: True rip the lot up and use regular barriers like we still have.. much easier to do.

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Or better still, move all matches to Derwent Park.


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27 Jul 2017 10:33 #39 by DeckchairBlue
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Still can't see is being rolled out right to the very top.

If you can fill a stadium with people willing to pay for a seat, why would you then go to the expense of ripping out those seats and replacing with rail/barriers, which fans will then expect to pay less for a ticket for ?

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27 Jul 2017 13:22 #40 by CCU
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DeckchairBlue wrote: Still can't see is being rolled out right to the very top.

If you can fill a stadium with people willing to pay for a seat, why would you then go to the expense of ripping out those seats and replacing with rail/barriers, which fans will then expect to pay less for a ticket for ?


Attendance money is way down the list at the top level, TV, Sponsorship etc far more important...

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27 Jul 2017 15:38 #41 by Wukkie
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.....stroking Foreign players ego's,stroking Foreign Managers ego's, stroking Foreign owners ego's.

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You missed agents out wukkie... they are part of it too with their greed on each transaction.

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27 Jul 2017 17:41 #43 by nobbyblue
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Part of the safe standing section at Celtic FC’s Parkhead stadium has been closed temporarily as a result of “serious incidents of unsafe behaviour”.

Find that hard to believe.

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27 Jul 2017 18:31 #44 by Dancingbear
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nobbyblue wrote: Part of the safe standing section at Celtic FC’s Parkhead stadium has been closed temporarily as a result of “serious incidents of unsafe behaviour”.

Find that hard to believe.


Me too can't believe that Green Brigade lot would do owt wrong. Mind you they don't need to when they've got players capable of enough antisocial behaviour on their own.

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27 Jul 2017 18:40 #45 by cousinscotty
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nobbyblue wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: Always wondered why it's deemed safe to stand in a full house at Brunton Park v Everton yet it's deemed unsafe to stand in a PL ground.


A very valid point Frank.


I bet the Everton fans stood in the Waterworks End were in a safer environment than us Carlisle fans sat in that cramped wooden stand at Goodison a few years back.
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27 Jul 2017 19:18 - 27 Jul 2017 19:20 #46 by nobbyblue
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That was just a bit off high jinx from Griffiths. Some folk cant take a joke.
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28 Jul 2017 00:44 #47 by NORTHERNSOUL
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What a total waste of time and money.

Just rip the seats out and put proper barriers in or are Shrewsbury expecting to play in the Champions League sometime soon.

I.ll bet the seats will be locked out of use and never opened again so what the hell is the point paying for rail seating but then we get down to the crux of the matter they arent are they ? theyre expecting the fans to stump up for their clubs lack of balls.

All the clubs in the bottom two leagues should have just all gone to their MP.s and done it by a change in the law as it stands now a club could put rail seats in then get promoted only to be told by te FL you cant use them in the championship if it was done by legislation it would be taken out of the football authorities hands.

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28 Jul 2017 00:47 #48 by Dancingbear
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I'm sure someone posted on here that all seater stadia even in the lower leagues carnt just change a seating area back to standing. They have to follow same protocol as top two divisions.

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28 Jul 2017 02:04 #49 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote: I'm sure someone posted on here that all seater stadia even in the lower leagues carnt just change a seating area back to standing. They have to follow same protocol as top two divisions.


No youre right at present you cant because of current legislation brought in as a result of Hillsbourough etc But get that Legislation changed and hey presto anything is possible The FL PL and FA rules are just there to comply with that legislation. Clubs only go along with it because you cant at present get grant money on standing accommodation whichever division youre in.

The FSF are putting their backing behind a private members bill that will alter the legislation in a number of ways including standing, drinking at games and on coaches travelling to games as well as the police use of so called "bubble" games all they need to do now is find an MP who has been lucky in the draw to take it on sometime soon.

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09 Apr 2018 16:02 #50 by CCU
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Draconian attitudes still exist...


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