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03 Feb 2020 17:32 #101 by baggieblue
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Well that was simple

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03 Feb 2020 18:13 #102 by nobbyblue
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What is strange is the authorities deem terracing isn’t safe for Premier League / Championship games but it’s ok to pack fans In like sardines on a terrace for a FA Cup game. That doesn’t make sense.

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03 Feb 2020 18:19 #103 by nobbyblue
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I like terracing but safe standing seems a waste of time to me. Standing in the same place were a seat is / could be?

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03 Feb 2020 18:48 #104 by aberdeenblue28
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It’s probably the easiest way to incorporate it in the top two divisions and a lot of fans stand in unsafe areas at the moment anyway. I can’t see us moving from Brunton Park so it’s unlikely we will actually use it unless we go to a stadium with it.

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11 Feb 2020 08:50 #105 by CCU
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Win or Lose, Up The Blues!

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11 Feb 2020 09:13 #106 by Laffy
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I was at the Burnley v Arsenal match a few days ago.

Two points

-everyone stands up in the away end.I suspect that would be the case even if they spread nails on the ground.

-getting into the away end searing up the stairs is a disaster waiting to happen if it’s busy like it was that day.I shudder to think what would have happened if Arsenal had got a penalty or even a corner because the congestion coming up the stairs was appalling-a real bottleneck with literally hundreds squeezing into a small corridor with steps.

I’m all for standing areas but it has to deal with the entry and exit points where congestion is an issue

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11 Feb 2020 10:29 #107 by Dancingbear
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Rail seating would make no difference to that Andrew. It doesn’t increase capacity and the seats are still there.

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11 Feb 2020 10:33 #108 by Laffy
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Agreed but my point is at Turf Moor, the seating actually creates the bottleneck with such a small entry stairwell to filter fans in.

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11 Feb 2020 11:52 #109 by Dancingbear
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I went to the new spurs stadium and sat just behind where they’ve installed their safe standing seats. It really is another level when it comes to entry and exit to most older grounds. Easy to see how they’re gonna be able to generate a lot more income per head at games.

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12 Feb 2020 23:27 #110 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: I was at the Burnley v Arsenal match a few days ago.

Two points

-everyone stands up in the away end.I suspect that would be the case even if they spread nails on the ground.

-getting into the away end searing up the stairs is a disaster waiting to happen if it’s busy like it was that day.I shudder to think what would have happened if Arsenal had got a penalty or even a corner because the congestion coming up the stairs was appalling-a real bottleneck with literally hundreds squeezing into a small corridor with steps.

I’m all for standing areas but it has to deal with the entry and exit points where congestion is an issue


The cricket field stand is a joke and always has been as there's no proper concourse underneath its always made me wonder what the space under the seats does actually contain.

When they returned to the PL a few years back they did a consultation and investigation on the options available to them.

1] Was to demolish and build a mirror version of the other end but then threw up the conundrum where could they get the cricket club to move out to give them the land behind it of could they get them to reconfigure their ground to sell a strip of it to BFC which would mean they would have enough land to build the size of stand that they have identified

2] A complete rebuild of the existing structure to provide a proper concourse with proper ingress and egress with slightly fewer seats than the current structure but as a good few seats at the minute aren't used it was envisaged there wouldn't, in reality, be a net reduction in capacity. This was ruled out as it was deemed not to provide value for money.

3] The third option was to kick the can down the road by spending 500k on new sats and barriers etc What they did ended up costing near double that once you throw in the work UEFA demanded and the repair work that had to be done after the Stuttgart match that was abandoned.

I think the urgency to do anything has now passed as attendances seem to have settled at a figure they can live with and really is only affected by the number of away fans attending and that now amounts to a good number of empty seats in the lower tier at the other end.

I usually do about 4 or 5 games a season there usually on comp tickets but I don't go anymore if those tickets are in the Cricket field stand and i cant swop them into the McIlroy.

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12 Feb 2020 23:44 #111 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dancingbear wrote: Rail seating would make no difference to that Andrew. It doesn’t increase capacity and the seats are still there.


If you do the job properly and not just stick the rail seats onto the existing steps you can increase the capacity when in standing mode by up to 25% The system installed at Spurs new ground will give them an uplift in capacity of over 20% in the areas they have been installed which I believe gives a capacity increase of nearly 5k once they are cleared to be used in standing mode.

And at Wolves, the long term plans to use them in the lower tiers of all the new stands they are planning to build gives them an uplift in the capacity of nearly 10k if they were to be allowed to use one of the new systems rather than conventional seats.

I think at the minute there has been a consensus amongst the clubs not to push the increase in capacity issue so as not to be seen to be pushing the issue simply to increase capacities and therefore income which falsely gives the impression that when in standing mode installing the various systems doesn't increase capacities when in effect it certainally does.
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