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07 Aug 2018 21:03 #251 by munchymagic
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Edward was a cracking bloke to know, he couldn't do enough for you - don't know the inns and outs with this fall out though.

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08 Aug 2018 08:15 - 08 Aug 2018 08:31 #252 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Dazwacky wrote: NS I was told it was to do with the WAD deal, don't know the full in and outs but did one brother die (Edward)? as this bloke was good friends with him and was saying what AT did was totally wrong and it will come out in the wash!


Think you're listening to a load of bullshit, to be honest, Daz looks to me like some sort of crap being put out by those currently trying to discredit him

The WA deal was over 10 years ago don't you think if there was anything to it it would have come out long before now

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WA_Developments

Think its time somebody updated the wiki and sorted it out a bit but as i.m sure you can see i.m sure all this lot will have gone thru the relevant authorities at the time

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08 Aug 2018 10:27 #253 by Alan
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Wonder if there's any truth in the rumour that less that half the money they were given to invest in the upgrade of the airport has been spent and it's not up to scratch?

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08 Aug 2018 13:38 #254 by Oldbolt
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Alan wrote: Wonder if there's any truth in the rumour that less that half the money they were given to invest in the upgrade of the airport has been spent and it's not up to scratch?


Hmm - let me think........

The 'Terminal Building' that conveniently doubles up as the new Stobart HQ office, IS finished to spec
The runway on the other hand is not

Who could have predicted that when the £4.8m grant was awarded

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17 Oct 2018 11:05 #255 by carwash
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Good job in some ways that Carlisle Airport didn't open on time. Britain's largest regional airline Flybe has just announced that it is struggling with high fuel prices and falling passenger demand and losing money hand over fist. To make things worse the rail link from Southend Airport to London now has a replacement bus service on the Southend-Shenfield section at weekends.

Stobart must be relieved at how things turned out.

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17 Oct 2018 11:11 #256 by CCU
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The Bus Replacment is only for 9 weekends, with 7 having already been. Short term pain for long term gain!

www.networkrail.co.uk/feeds/southend-vic...d-wires-this-autumn/

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14 Nov 2018 09:48 #257 by CCU
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14 Nov 2018 10:04 #258 by carwash
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I think Stobart Group might be interested in some cheap planes but I very much doubt they'd want to buy Flybe . Stobart are currently winding down the Flybe franchise operation. This is what they said recently. "In August, the Group announced that the UK Flybe franchise operations (UKFFO) out of London Southend Airport will be withdrawn by February 2020. The operation, for which tickets went on sale in December 2016, commenced flights in May 2017 with the purpose of building awareness and accelerating growth at the airport. The Ryanair contract was secured in June 2018 and easyJet have added a fourth aircraft based at the airport from July 2018. These operations will replace the UKFFO. "

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30 Nov 2018 23:38 #259 by CCU
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Just reading that the Aberdeen to London City flight is now going to stop off in Newcastle both ways. Little bit more expensive than the proposed Carlisle to London Southend but much better for the City types...

www.londoncityairport.com/media-centre/n...ort-route-with-flybe

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01 Dec 2018 09:02 #260 by Jumpforfun
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Is there a plan for the airport now or is it shelved indefinitely?

A family who rented a house near us has moved out becaise the guy works for logan air and they've sent him elsewhere (Edinburgh??)

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01 Dec 2018 10:47 #261 by carwash
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In theory Loganair are still going ahead to launch flights some time next year. This news that Eastern Airways will offer a business service from LCY to NCL however will probably kill off the proposed Carlisle to Southend service. Maybe Loganair might continue with Dublin and Belfast flights for a short while as it only involves one plane. They might introduce another route such as Carlisle to Bristol if there would be sufficient demand. All in all very depressing but not unexpected.

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01 Dec 2018 12:40 #262 by thesilentone
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carwash wrote: In theory Loganair are still going ahead to launch flights some time next year. This news that Eastern Airways will offer a business service from LCY to NCL however will probably kill off the proposed Carlisle to Southend service. Maybe Loganair might continue with Dublin and Belfast flights for a short while as it only involves one plane. They might introduce another route such as Carlisle to Bristol if there would be sufficient demand. All in all very depressing but not unexpected.


Newcastle-London City return with Flybe (same as Eastern Air) is around £200.00 + Parking.

Carlisle-Southend return around £100.00 + return train fare to London (around £33.00)

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01 Dec 2018 12:45 #263 by CCU
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Far simpler just getting the train from Carlisle to London for £120.70 (And usually cheaper if you book in advance)...

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01 Dec 2018 13:02 - 01 Dec 2018 13:04 #264 by thesilentone
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+ parking....£24.00
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01 Dec 2018 13:09 #265 by High Street
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CCU wrote: Far simpler just getting the train from Carlisle to London for £120.70 (And usually cheaper if you book in advance)...

At least you actually end up in London, as well.
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01 Dec 2018 13:10 #266 by CCU
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thesilentone wrote: + parking....£24.00


I live 10mins walk from the Station... ;)

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01 Dec 2018 15:25 #267 by thesilentone
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CCU wrote:

thesilentone wrote: + parking....£24.00


I live 10mins walk from the Station... ;)


Nice and handy for the Picketing then, do you claim for the shoe leather ?
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11 Jan 2019 08:35 #268 by CCU
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11 Jan 2019 16:08 #269 by carwash
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The only problem is the deal announced this morning is not going to happen. Flybe shares have traded at around 3p for most of the day with very heavy buying. Either Virgin's consortium will have to increase their offer price from a measly 1p a share or something else will happen including possibly administration to release the Flybe business from its pension fund obligations.

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12 Jan 2019 05:21 #270 by CCU
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Looks like Mr Tinkler was the heavy buyer!


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13 Jan 2019 15:36 #271 by Laffy
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Hi Marko

What do you reckon he is up to buying 10pc of Flybe?Either a piece of brilliance or madness and I can’t work out which other than to make Stobart pay more for the company.
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13 Jan 2019 19:38 #272 by flumeblue
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"other than to make Stobart pay more for the company." Sometimes emotion gets in the way of rational decisions. There again there may be a rational behind this.

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13 Jan 2019 19:44 #273 by munchymagic
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flumeblue wrote: "other than to make Stobart pay more for the company." Sometimes emotion gets in the way of rational decisions. There again there may be a rational behind this.


Is he still ousted from the group - not sure?

If he has bought it on his own then in my head basically he has scuppered Stobarts as it possibly puts a spanner in the works for the air network on their side and could ruin their whole operation that he is well aware of the plans in place.

Not saying that this is the case of course but like Laffy - if you are called out in the media then you want to rub their noses in it :)

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13 Jan 2019 20:24 #274 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Hi Marko

What do you reckon he is up to buying 10pc of Flybe?Either a piece of brilliance or madness and I can’t work out which other than to make Stobart pay more for the company.


Well one things for certain he can't lose whatever happens.

Be interesting to see who else has been buying he very rarely moves on his own. Be interesting what happens if it turns out him and his mates have got 25.1%.

Other than saving what could be a good company with a good product for the grand total of nil investment they acquire all the planes [ well the ones that they own not lease ] and whats more a shed load of landing slots including a good few at Heathrow, in fact, Stobbats are putting buggar all in as their airports aren't even included [ well not the ownership of them just the use ] just a very small airline and a leasing company and if you read whats been written online Virgin will have very little to do with it as the deal is being driven totally by Delta airlines who have history in deals like this.

Chances are a year from now he.ll be back running the show so not sure if his this is his way of stopping a deal he doesn't want to go thru or just a way of funding his court cases in one easy go entirely at their expense

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13 Jan 2019 20:48 #275 by munchymagic
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The best thing for Cumbria is that Tinkler wins this so my support is with him and William.

Sod the faceless shareholders and corporation bods.

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15 Jan 2019 07:23 #276 by Laffy
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Looks like the Flybe shareholders are getting totally burned judging the announcement this morning.The company must be totally in the mire

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15 Jan 2019 07:28 #277 by carwash
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OMG I can't believe it. Barry is wrong about something. Flybe are stitching up their own shareholders by selling the operating business to Connect Airways. This means any leverage Tinkler thought he had has gone. It is a massive kick in the goolies for him making him a big LOSER almost whatever happens now. Although to be fair to Northern Soul nobody especially Tinkler could have anticipated this happening.

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15 Jan 2019 07:39 #278 by Laffy
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I think you’re right about wipeout but reading between the lines,Flybe has literally ran out of cash and needed a major cash facility to simply keep trading.That bridge has literally swamped the equity, making the share offer of 1p per share a token gesture.

Not sure AT will have much leverage with his 10pc plus-more nuisance factor unless he has something up his sleeve which looks unlikely given the state of the company.

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15 Jan 2019 10:32 - 15 Jan 2019 10:37 #279 by NORTHERNSOUL
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carwash wrote: OMG I can't believe it. Barry is wrong about something. Flybe are stitching up their own shareholders by selling the operating business to Connect Airways. This means any leverage Tinkler thought he had has gone. It is a massive kick in the goolies for him making him a big LOSER almost whatever happens now. Although to be fair to Northern Soul nobody especially Tinkler could have anticipated this happening.


Doubt he bought the shares thinking it would get him any leverage against Stobbarts But do you really think he would have bought them for a larger amount knowing he would simply get a penny each for them when the deal went thru ?

Yes, whats happened now might change things but i.d be very surprised if he hadn't factored that into whatever it is hes up to as this very scenario was predicted in the comments on the BBC article within hours of the original deal being announced on Friday.

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15 Jan 2019 14:01 #280 by Oldbolt
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Meanwhile back at Carlisle Airport - we are only weeks away from the Spring 2019 deadline for flights to commence

The Air Traffic Controller shortage that led to the previous two embarrassing delays is STILL not resolved.The silence is deafening........

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15 Jan 2019 14:40 #281 by Dancingbear
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Oldbolt wrote: Meanwhile back at Carlisle Airport - we are only weeks away from the Spring 2019 deadline for flights to commence

The Air Traffic Controller shortage that led to the previous two embarrassing delays is STILL not resolved.The silence is deafening........


Anyone would think Stobbarts aren’t really bothered.

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15 Jan 2019 14:41 #282 by CCU
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They’ve a lovely facility for wagons you know...

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15 Jan 2019 17:12 #283 by Laffy
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An absolutely perfect example of a company needing and accepting an urgent cash injection via a loan and resultant catastrophic destruction of equity control and value.

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15 Jan 2019 17:22 #284 by Markovitch
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Laffy wrote: Hi Marko

What do you reckon he is up to buying 10pc of Flybe?Either a piece of brilliance or madness and I can’t work out which other than to make Stobart pay more for the company.


No idea. Airlines are virtually never profitable in my experience. Building up air freight links makes sense especially with Brexit looming but how this fits into that I don't know.
Maybe has some inside info that the company has access to fresh finance so he knows his stake will increase in value, or he wants to screw over a rival. No idea!
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13 Feb 2019 16:04 #285 by CCU
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13 Feb 2019 17:00 #286 by carwash
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Oldbolt wrote: Meanwhile back at Carlisle Airport - we are only weeks away from the Spring 2019 deadline for flights to commence

The Air Traffic Controller shortage that led to the previous two embarrassing delays is STILL not resolved.The silence is deafening........


I'm not sure anyone used the word 'deadline'. I think Spring 2019 was a vague suggestion as to the earliest possible date when flights could begin. Loganair have no mention about flights from Carlisle Airport on their website which is an indication of at least another three months before they could begin a commercial service. The old control tower was fine for general aviation and I'm sure it could cope with an additional 8 aircraft movements a day should the original plans for scheduled services be resurrected.

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13 Feb 2019 17:33 #287 by NORTHERNSOUL
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carwash wrote:

Oldbolt wrote: Meanwhile back at Carlisle Airport - we are only weeks away from the Spring 2019 deadline for flights to commence

The Air Traffic Controller shortage that led to the previous two embarrassing delays is STILL not resolved.The silence is deafening........


I'm not sure anyone used the word 'deadline'. I think Spring 2019 was a vague suggestion as to the earliest possible date when flights could begin. Loganair have no mention about flights from Carlisle Airport on their website which is an indication of at least another three months before they could begin a commercial service. The old control tower was fine for general aviation and I'm sure it could cope with an additional 8 aircraft movements a day should the original plans for scheduled services be resurrected.


Well i.d of thought if the Flybe deal goes thru they won't have any need for Loganair and as at the time of the announcement they spoke of the new modal for regional airlines was one of drop offs and pick ups you could see Carlisle being a bit of a hub say Aberdeen-Carlisle-Dublin and Southend-Carlisle-Belfast in the way Air Southwest used to do at Bristol.

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13 Feb 2019 18:25 #288 by griff
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I used to use those old Air SouthWest turboprops from Bristol. Happy days.

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13 Feb 2019 18:36 #289 by NORTHERNSOUL
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griff wrote: I used to use those old Air SouthWest turboprops from Bristol. Happy days.


Yeah getting swallowed up by Stobbarts will be a bit of karma for Flybe after the way they shat on Airsouthwest to put them out of business.

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16 Feb 2019 19:25 #290 by carwash
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Flybmi has collapsed into administration now. All flights cancelled. They flew to Stavanger and Brussels from Newcastle Airport. Hopefully none of our Norwegian fans have been stranded as a result.

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16 Feb 2019 19:51 #291 by munchymagic
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carwash wrote: Flybmi has collapsed into administration now. All flights cancelled. They flew to Stavanger and Brussels from Newcastle Airport. Hopefully none of our Norwegian fans have been stranded as a result.


Why - I felt Spring in the air today and it was fairly warm, also they would get a lot more sunlight :)

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17 Feb 2019 22:45 - 17 Feb 2019 22:47 #292 by CCU
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carwash wrote: Flybmi has collapsed into administration now. All flights cancelled. They flew to Stavanger and Brussels from Newcastle Airport. Hopefully none of our Norwegian fans have been stranded as a result.


Loganair (Who are a sister of FlyBMI) have picked up the Aberdeen and Newcastle flights already...

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/flybmi-col...ive-key-air-14012620

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17 Feb 2019 23:15 #293 by High Street
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a fueller/fireman job has just appeared on Indeed,based at the airport.

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17 Feb 2019 23:18 #294 by munchymagic
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High Street wrote: a fueller/fireman job has just appeared on Indeed,based at the airport.


Any Flybmi staff might be tempted by the massively low wages offered up in Cumbria, especially with the new garden village on offer.

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21 Feb 2019 10:50 - 21 Feb 2019 10:51 #295 by CCU
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