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31 Jul 2017 23:17 #1 by crunchblue
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Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is...

However 197 million quid is f-ing ridiculous. The football market has gone absolute batshit crazy over the last 2 summers.

Makes you wonder what kind of transfer fees are going to be getting thrown around in 10 or even 5 years time.

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31 Jul 2017 23:39 #2 by cousinscotty
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He's a Carlisle lad, isn't he? Used to try and buy the Evening News on English Street.

"There's Neymar after this"
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01 Aug 2017 08:15 #3 by bluestblue
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crunchblue wrote: Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is...

However 197 million quid is f-ing ridiculous. The football market has gone absolute batshit crazy over the last 2 summers.

Makes you wonder what kind of transfer fees are going to be getting thrown around in 10 or even 5 years time.



Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is...


Agreed. Saw him play for Barcelona against Athletic Bilbao at the Nou Camp in February. He really stood out for his skill and work rate, much better than Messi on the day

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01 Aug 2017 15:54 #4 by malaguista
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Saw him play in his first season aainst Malaga , you wouldnt have paid 99 pence for him, and Messi was only a quid on that night.,Just shows yer They scraped a draw and we had a good goal disallowed..

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01 Aug 2017 16:02 #5 by Urban Designer
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Saw him play at the Emirates - Brazil v Chile in a friendly. Chile were the much better side but he scored in a 1-0 win and produced a couple of moments of magic.

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02 Aug 2017 07:59 #6 by DeckchairBlue
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Wenger is probably right, with how high transfer fees are getting clubs will stop paying them and sign players on frees instead, which will just lead to the players and agents demanding higher sign on fees.

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02 Aug 2017 09:22 #7 by MerseysideBlue
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I went over to Spain about a year and a half ago and managed to catch both Barceloma and Real Madrid in action.

Unfortunately the Barca game was a cup match against a Third Division side- they won 6-1 and Dani Alves was probably the biggest name in the starting XI. Neymar was on the bench with Suarez and Iniesta - even when Jeremy Mathieu went off injured with 10 mins to go with the score at 6-1, they just played on with ten men!

Saw Real v Getafe a few days later- 4-1 win and despite being a "derby", there was only 25 away fans there! Obviously the likes of Ronaldo and Benzema were excellent but the two who stood out for me were Modric and Marcelo - the later in particular was superb.

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02 Aug 2017 12:43 #8 by DeckchairBlue
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He's now officially asked to leave Barca.

They've put out a statement confirming it, but have made the point that the €222m is his contract buyout clause (which every player in Spain has to have, so they can buy themselves out if they wish) and not a release clause, it must be paid in full and they won't release his registration until it is.

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02 Aug 2017 12:58 #9 by chesterviabothel
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DeckchairBlue wrote: He's now officially asked to leave Barca.

They've put out a statement confirming it, but have made the point that the €222m is his contract buyout clause (which every player in Spain has to have, so they can buy themselves out if they wish) and not a release clause, it must be paid in full and they won't release his registration until it is.


Will be quite interesting to see how this pans out. Barca/La Liga threatening to report PSG re FFP if they pay the buy out clause... but surely Barca are going against Neymar's rights to freedom of employment by effectively pricing him out of any club being able to buy him?

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02 Aug 2017 13:15 #10 by crunchblue
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Aside from the obvious pay rise (which he could probably get by staying at Barca as well), I'm struggling to understand why he wants to leave Barcelona for PSG.

It's a step down in terms of club prestige, league prestige and quality of players around him. To do this at 25 years old makes little sense to me from a football point of view.

And I don't buy this stuff I keep reading about him being fed up of being in Messi's shadow. He still will be at PSG, Messi will still be the number 1 and it will be further highlighted by the fact Messi plays for one of the biggest clubs in the world and Neymar doesn't. The way Messi plays with his creative ability and the amount of assists he provides, it's surely better to have Messi on your team and not on the opposition, especially when it comes to the top level matches in the champions league. He won't win the Ballon D'or the Champions League at PSG imo, but could do both at Barcelona.

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02 Aug 2017 14:42 #11 by DeckchairBlue
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He wants to win Ballon D'or, he can't do that if he isn't even the best player in his own team.

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02 Aug 2017 14:45 - 02 Aug 2017 14:54 #12 by DeckchairBlue
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chesterviabothel wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: He's now officially asked to leave Barca.

They've put out a statement confirming it, but have made the point that the €222m is his contract buyout clause (which every player in Spain has to have, so they can buy themselves out if they wish) and not a release clause, it must be paid in full and they won't release his registration until it is.


Will be quite interesting to see how this pans out. Barca/La Liga threatening to report PSG re FFP if they pay the buy out clause... but surely Barca are going against Neymar's rights to freedom of employment by effectively pricing him out of any club being able to buy him?


They said on TalkSport earlier that PSG may use a holding company to pay the fee, leaving them in the clear somehow.

They can't report PSG as you can't report people, and that won't stop the transfer, there is nothing then stopping PSG from announcing a new sponsorship deal on the back of his signing. FFP is assessed over 3 years so they'd just have to be clever for the next 3.

City have spent £130m so far this window and nobody has mentioned reporting them either.
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02 Aug 2017 15:08 #13 by jameshardy89
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Never win a ballon d'or playing in France

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02 Aug 2017 15:42 #14 by crunchblue
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DeckchairBlue wrote: He wants to win Ballon D'or, he can't do that if he isn't even the best player in his own team.


For that he has to become the best player in the world, not just his own team as well as having a dominant season in the champions league. He'd have a better chance of doing so at Barca.
Or if he single handedly won the World Cup for Brazil it wouldn't matter what club he played for, but again I think his overall levels leading into a World Cup would improve more by playing in the barca team.

He's making a mistake in my opinion.

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02 Aug 2017 16:10 #15 by crunchblue
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jameshardy89 wrote: Never win a ballon d'or playing in France


It's not impossible to win it playing in France. The league isn't as bad as premier league [censored] like to have you believe, but I think PSG even with neymar are a fair way off being able to win the champions league. If Neymar and PSG go out in the quarter final as per usual, he won't win the ballon.

In my football memory (so last 15-20 years) , without googling, I'd guess that 8 or 9 out of 10 seasons, a Barcelona or Real Madrid player wins world player of the year.

If winning the ballon d'or is one of his motivations behind the move, he's made it more difficult for himself.

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02 Aug 2017 16:17 #16 by markredfox73
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Ridiculous ...thats all i will say . More evidence that the game is absolutely fkd

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02 Aug 2017 16:27 #17 by sirjimmyglass
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crunchblue wrote:

jameshardy89 wrote: Never win a ballon d'or playing in France


It's not impossible to win it playing in France. The league isn't as bad as premier league [censored] like to have you believe, but I think PSG even with neymar are a fair way off being able to win the champions league. If Neymar and PSG go out in the quarter final as per usual, he won't win the ballon.

In my football memory (so last 15-20 years) , without googling, I'd guess that 8 or 9 out of 10 seasons, a Barcelona or Real Madrid player wins world player of the year.

If winning the ballon d'or is one of his motivations behind the move, he's made it more difficult for himself.


I get what you're saying but you're not going to win the Ballon D'Or if you're at the best team in the World, with the player widely regarded as the best player ever, regardless of how good you are that year. People will always vote for Messi above Neymar while he is there.

If Neymar is as good as he thinks he is and believes he can be the best player in the world he can go to a Quarter Final of the Champions League team and turned them into winners.

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02 Aug 2017 17:02 #18 by CCU
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As part of him signing a new contract last year, his dad was due roughly £20m on 31st July. So that'll be why he's now wanting to leave...

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02 Aug 2017 17:34 - 02 Aug 2017 17:38 #19 by crunchblue
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sirjimmyglass wrote:

crunchblue wrote:

jameshardy89 wrote: Never win a ballon d'or playing in France


It's not impossible to win it playing in France. The league isn't as bad as premier league [censored] like to have you believe, but I think PSG even with neymar are a fair way off being able to win the champions league. If Neymar and PSG go out in the quarter final as per usual, he won't win the ballon.

In my football memory (so last 15-20 years) , without googling, I'd guess that 8 or 9 out of 10 seasons, a Barcelona or Real Madrid player wins world player of the year.

If winning the ballon d'or is one of his motivations behind the move, he's made it more difficult for himself.


I get what you're saying but you're not going to win the Ballon D'Or if you're at the best team in the World, with the player widely regarded as the best player ever, regardless of how good you are that year. People will always vote for Messi above Neymar while he is there.

If Neymar is as good as he thinks he is and believes he can be the best player in the world he can go to a Quarter Final of the Champions League team and turned them into winners.


Messi is 5 years older than him. Even if he can't win it while Messi is around, he would win it one day at Barca, I'm pretty sure.

if I had to bet whether he'll win it at PSG or not, I'd say not.
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02 Aug 2017 17:36 #20 by crunchblue
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CCU wrote: As part of him signing a new contract last year, his dad was due roughly £20m on 31st July. So that'll be why he's now wanting to leave...


Aye, and It's called a loyalty bonus which is taking the piss a bit :lol:

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02 Aug 2017 20:56 #21 by PaddockRanger
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450m euros :ohmy:

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03 Aug 2017 09:15 #22 by heilkmoon
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crunchblue wrote: Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is....


I haven't seen him live, which must explain why I don't get the hype.

Nowhere near Ronaldo and Messi for me and no better or worse than quite a few top level internationals currently knocking around. I've always thought his appeal was based as much on image as anything.

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03 Aug 2017 09:52 #23 by chesterviabothel
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heilkmoon wrote:

crunchblue wrote: Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is....


I haven't seen him live, which must explain why I don't get the hype.

Nowhere near Ronaldo and Messi for me and no better or worse than quite a few top level internationals currently knocking around. I've always thought his appeal was based as much on image as anything.


Just spotted this comparing Neymar and Ronaldo at 25: www.soccerinfomania.com/birthday-mates-n...aldo-away-see-stats/

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03 Aug 2017 10:06 - 03 Aug 2017 10:07 #24 by heilkmoon
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crunchblue wrote: Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is....


I haven't seen him live, which must explain why I don't get the hype.

Nowhere near Ronaldo and Messi for me and no better or worse than quite a few top level internationals currently knocking around. I've always thought his appeal was based as much on image as anything.


Just spotted this comparing Neymar and Ronaldo at 25: www.soccerinfomania.com/birthday-mates-n...aldo-away-see-stats/


Well you know what they say about stats. That seems mainly goals-based, Ronaldo was more of a winger at United, plus at United you're never going to win the trophies that any Barca regular will.

Again, what do I know but to me Neymar is more in the Suarez and Romario bracket, getting a lot of goals because of the quality of players around him compared to the strength of the opposition.
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03 Aug 2017 10:15 #25 by chesterviabothel
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heilkmoon wrote:

chesterviabothel wrote:

heilkmoon wrote:

crunchblue wrote: Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is....


I haven't seen him live, which must explain why I don't get the hype.

Nowhere near Ronaldo and Messi for me and no better or worse than quite a few top level internationals currently knocking around. I've always thought his appeal was based as much on image as anything.


Just spotted this comparing Neymar and Ronaldo at 25: www.soccerinfomania.com/birthday-mates-n...aldo-away-see-stats/


Well you know what they say about stats. That seems mainly goals-based, Ronaldo was more of a winger at United, plus at United you're never going to win the trophies that any Barca regular will.

Again, what do I know but to me Neymar is more in the Suarez and Romario bracket, getting a lot of goals because of the quality of players around him compared to the strength of the opposition.


I don't disagree, just thought it was worth posting the link.
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03 Aug 2017 14:42 - 03 Aug 2017 14:44 #26 by crunchblue
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heilkmoon wrote:

crunchblue wrote: Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is....


I haven't seen him live, which must explain why I don't get the hype.

Nowhere near Ronaldo and Messi for me and no better or worse than quite a few top level internationals currently knocking around. I've always thought his appeal was based as much on image as anything.


I've seen all 3. Messi is by far the best, on a different level to them all.

As far as a goal scorer goes Ronaldo is obviously better than Neymar at the moment, but for all round skill and talent and ability to produce something magic from nothing, Neymar beats him for me.
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03 Aug 2017 15:02 #27 by heilkmoon
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crunchblue wrote:

heilkmoon wrote:

crunchblue wrote: Superb footballer, when you see him play live you appreciate how good he is....


I haven't seen him live, which must explain why I don't get the hype.

Nowhere near Ronaldo and Messi for me and no better or worse than quite a few top level internationals currently knocking around. I've always thought his appeal was based as much on image as anything.


I've seen all 3. Messi is by far the best, on a different level to them all.

As far as a goal scorer goes Ronaldo is obviously better than Neymar at the moment, but for all round skill and talent and ability to produce something magic from nothing, Neymar beats him for me.


That's interesting to hear, I defer to your first-hand experience. Ronaldo has turned into a beast of a player though, Neymar is never going to have the same physical presence or aerial power. Ronaldo has maximised his effectiveness as a footballer as he has got older, be interesting to see if Neymar can do the same. I agree that Messi is a cut above both of them though.

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04 Aug 2017 00:51 #28 by DeckchairBlue
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Neymar showed his quality when he dragged Barca out if a whole against PSG last season.

All he's really doing is moving to another league dominated by 2 teams, and with a world cup year coming up it may benefit him to play there so he has mote left in the tank come next summer.

But this is about more than just football, Qatar are focusing their funds on PSG and showing that they can do whatever it takes to buy success, especially whilst they are getting hammered by other Arab nations with these embargoes.

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04 Aug 2017 01:01 #29 by munchymagic
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One thing I pondered the other day is that if a comet struck and it was the end of civilization and the next generation came across the remains of ancient virtually unused deserted football grounds in the middle of a desert and massive refrigerators in the north pole - it will confuse the fu ck out of them and set their research back a considerable amount.

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04 Aug 2017 01:13 #30 by CCU
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DeckchairBlue wrote: Neymar showed his quality when he dragged Barca out if a whole against PSG last season.

All he's really doing is moving to another league dominated by 2 teams, and with a world cup year coming up it may benefit him to play there so he has mote left in the tank come next summer.

But this is about more than just football, Qatar are focusing their funds on PSG and showing that they can do whatever it takes to buy success, especially whilst they are getting hammered by other Arab nations with these embargoes.


Expect Neymar to be the figurehead of Qatar2022!

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04 Aug 2017 09:03 #31 by DeckchairBlue
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CCU wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote: Neymar showed his quality when he dragged Barca out if a whole against PSG last season.

All he's really doing is moving to another league dominated by 2 teams, and with a world cup year coming up it may benefit him to play there so he has mote left in the tank come next summer.

But this is about more than just football, Qatar are focusing their funds on PSG and showing that they can do whatever it takes to buy success, especially whilst they are getting hammered by other Arab nations with these embargoes.


Expect Neymar to be the figurehead of Qatar2022!


It's more than a coincidence that they are funneling their cash into 1 club now, they ended their sponsorship deal with Barca this summer too.

As for their football team, they set up their 'aspire' academy to try and mop up all the best african youth, they all get free board and education but were encouraged to also take on Qatari citizenship. It all seemed like a good idea until some bloody dogooders started throwing round the 'child trafficking' label.

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04 Aug 2017 15:25 #32 by crunchblue
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Interesting that the buyout clause in his PSG contract has remained the same, I would have thought they'd increase it..
I'm now thinking this is just a temporary stop gap for him and he'll be a Real Madrid in 1 possibly 2 years. They've always wanted him and Ronaldo will probably leave/retire before Messi does at Barca.

He wouldn't dare do a Figo and go direct, so he's going via PSG.

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04 Aug 2017 16:36 #33 by Happyblue
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Don't know how PSG will get away with FFP , I know he'll generate a tremendous amount of income through merchandise sales , but I feel a transfer ban coming .

Owners like the stadium, full of Sh!T

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04 Aug 2017 16:43 #34 by Wukkie
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Crunch - It's also crossed my mind that he'll be at Real within 2 years.

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04 Aug 2017 18:21 #35 by DeckchairBlue
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Real can't afford him, they've said they will have to sell to be able to afford Mbappe as it is.

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22 May 2018 01:54 - 22 May 2018 01:55 #36 by lucas123
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Neymar has made it clear to Paris Saint-Germain that he would like to move to Real Madrid this summer, but the French treble winners will not allow their prized asset to depart without a fight.

Goal understands that the 26-year-old Brazil international has made his feelings known to the board of the Ligue 1 champions, just one year after making a world record €222 million (£200m/$262m) switch from Barcelona last summer.

PSG are ready to play hardball with their ace, who they desperately want to keep hold of. :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
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22 May 2018 03:22 #37 by DeckchairBlue
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Guillem Balague put a tweet up about this earlier, said that Neymar has met with Tuchel and now realised he should stay at PSG, apparantly he doesn't settle well and wanted to leave Barca after the first year too.

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22 May 2018 05:20 - 22 May 2018 05:21 #38 by Prawncrackhead
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A true merc. You don't switch from arguably the best club in the world, arguably the technically best league in the world to a one team league like Ligue 1, if not for the money.
Conspiracy- probably always wanted to join Madrid but didn't think it would go down to well if he went straight there from Barca.
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22 May 2018 17:31 #39 by Wukkie
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It's been done befoe though, Luis Figo probably being the last high profile one. Normally Real get who they want after years of tapping them up i.e. C.Ronaldo.

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13 Jul 2018 20:55 #40 by crunchblue
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Madrid have been reportedly sniffing around Neymar’s representatives.

But tonight they’ve released a statement saying that they haven’t approached him, and they respect PSG so much that they wouldn’t go behind their backs and that if they did want a player they’d approach PSG first.

So expect a bid within the next few days.

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13 Jul 2018 21:25 #41 by franksidebottom
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The more I read and see about Neymar the more I can’t stand the [censored]. Someone must’ve got a load of these free football figures at my boy’s school so everyone in his class got one. He got Neymar but he’s not interested in football so when we got home I snapped the [censored] head off and binned it.

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13 Jul 2018 21:31 #42 by Profpieman
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franksidebottom wrote: The more I read and see about Neymar the more I can’t stand the [censored]. Someone must’ve got a load of these free football figures at my boy’s school so everyone in his class got one. He got Neymar but he’s not interested in football so when we got home I snapped the [censored] head off and binned it.


Im like that with Trevor Francis

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13 Jul 2018 21:32 #43 by crunchblue
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crunchblue wrote: Interesting that the buyout clause in his PSG contract has remained the same, I would have thought they'd increase it..
I'm now thinking this is just a temporary stop gap for him and he'll be a Real Madrid in 1 possibly 2 years. They've always wanted him and Ronaldo will probably leave/retire before Messi does at Barca.

He wouldn't dare do a Figo and go direct, so he's going via PSG.


I posted this a year ago because it’s what I read in some report, but it’s since been reported that there in fact is no buyout clause in his PSG contract. So PSG can demand anything.

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14 Jul 2018 20:52 #44 by munchymagic
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Profpieman wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: The more I read and see about Neymar the more I can’t stand the [censored]. Someone must’ve got a load of these free football figures at my boy’s school so everyone in his class got one. He got Neymar but he’s not interested in football so when we got home I snapped the [censored] head off and binned it.


Im like that with Trevor Francis


Trevor Francis was a decent player, had loads of skill, speaks well and was a good honest pro.

Neymar is a tosser, skilful granted, but a cheating unlikeable bloke.

We all know that most of the South American teams need to be reprimanded after their antics at this world cup, totally embarrassing and it would only take a panel to watch some of the games but you know that they will not do this.

Sorry if it has already been posted but I heard a gag the other day questioning why so many footballers had tattoos when their pain threshold is so low :)
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14 Jul 2018 21:18 - 15 Jul 2018 12:52 #45 by Profpieman
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munchymagic wrote:

Profpieman wrote:

franksidebottom wrote: The more I read and see about Neymar the more I can’t stand the [censored]. Someone must’ve got a load of these free football figures at my boy’s school so everyone in his class got one. He got Neymar but he’s not interested in football so when we got home I snapped the [censored] head off and binned it.


Im like that with Trevor Francis


Trevor Francis was a decent player, had loads of skill, speaks well and was a good honest pro.

Neymar is a tosser, skilful granted, but a cheating unlikeable bloke.


Its a Villa thing pal, hes a tosser
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29 Nov 2018 12:09 #46 by newcarlislefan
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Anybody see the PSG game last night against Liverpoool?
Been looking forward to it for weeks and Neymar and friends ruined it.
I can remember growing up and Franny Lee being mentioned when someone thought you didn't stand up to a strong tackle but this guy has taken it to a whole new level.
Spoiled for me what should have been a great game.
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29 Nov 2018 12:24 #47 by Waltero
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As long as the officials let him get away with it he won't change his MO

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29 Nov 2018 15:17 #48 by cufcmike
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It annoys me that he'll probably become Brazil's all-time top goalscorer. I will be sat by a fireplace with my slippers on, and my grandchildren will ask me if I ever saw the great Neymar play. "Yeah he wasn't that good. Fat Ronaldo was better."
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29 Nov 2018 16:03 #49 by ParcelPete
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That Pele wasn't bad either.

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29 Nov 2018 18:39 #50 by cufcmike
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ParcelPete wrote: That Pele wasn't bad either.


True but he was a bit before my time! You think of great Brazilian strikers, its criminal that Neymar will probably have scored more than all of them by the time he retires.

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