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29 Nov 2018 18:50 #51 by crunchblue
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The Barcelona Neymar was a great player. Was lucky enough to see him play live a few times. He seemed to make better decisions, more of a team player but with individual brilliance when necessary.

This PSG version is no where near.

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29 Nov 2018 18:52 #52 by 182blue
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newcarlislefan wrote: Anybody see the PSG game last night against Liverpoool?
Been looking forward to it for weeks and Neymar and friends ruined it.
I can remember growing up and Franny Lee being mentioned when someone thought you didn't stand up to a strong tackle but this guy has taken it to a whole new level.
Spoiled for me what should have been a great game.


I watched this and yes, there were some brilliant footballers on display, including. Neymar.
I was neutral last night and PSG were the better team.
It just seems so obvious that you need to clamp down on these kind of antics, that other guy in defence was just as bad.
It should be a real taboo to play up on the fact that you are in agony,knowing that the referee is duty bound to stop the game. Pulling someone’s shirt etc, is always going to go on, but there is no need for the level of cheating demonstrated last night.

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29 Nov 2018 21:22 #53 by Champions95
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No sympathy for Liverpool though. Like all top teams they benefit greatly from referees 99% of the time and whine insufferably when they don't. They have had players over the years such as Owen, Gerrard, Sterling, Sturridge and Suarez who are very happy to go down with little or no contact , now they have the cheek to complain when it happens to them. The hypocrisy of modern football.
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29 Nov 2018 22:38 #54 by newcarlislefan
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Yes, it wasn't about having sympathy or negativity towards any team in particular.
All teams have players who do it but the extent to which it is now ingrained into the game is depressing.
It's just sad to watch a game of football being played by some of the greatest players on the planet be ruined by players diving, rolling around, trying to get other players sent off and feigning injury.

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29 Nov 2018 22:46 #55 by Champions95
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We were talking about this at work and the feeling was that it happens less in the lower leagues where you tend to get more honest professionals. I don't know if that's really true - Lincoln last season immediately spring to mind - but I like to think that it's not something Carlisle have ever been that bad for (except Richard Keogh, obviously)

Maybe that's just supporter blindness though. The Villa fan at work was refusing to accept that Jack Grealish is a diving so and so.

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29 Nov 2018 23:08 #56 by newcarlislefan
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As a newcomer to Divsion 4 be honest I've been surprised and disappointed at what I've seen on occasion.
It's clearly not as bad as what I saw PSG get up to and Neymar is the worst of the bunch.
You don't really see his level of histrionics but, for example, FGR last week was disappointing.
Not theatrical falls and the like, but the time wasting and gamesmanship leaves a bitter taste.
A couple of sides this year at BP have tried it on and it's always disappointing to see.
I've been impressed with Carlisle as I don't think we do engage in it, generally speaking, not what I've seen anyway under Curle & Sheridan.
But, speaking to away fans Danny's name has come up a few times as someone who goes down too easily!

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29 Nov 2018 23:14 #57 by bruntonpete
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I agree with the original post. He seemed to sum up much of what is wrong with football and perhaps wider society if that isn't being too judgemental. He is a spoilt cheat. A coward. An indulged media pin up. No way would his actions have been allowed or tolerated in generations past. He would be looked on as weak, wrong and showing no respect. Now he is generally lauded and celebrated. Yes he is extremely talented as a footballer but, in my humble opinion, he is a shadow of the best players in the world now and in the past.
I may be stuck in the past but he is one of the many reasons I'm falling out of love with the game I've loved. Well, him and our board.

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29 Nov 2018 23:22 #58 by 182blue
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Not sure I’ve seen it as much this season from us, mainly because we have lost most of the games as have seen, but we were certainly well into the dark arts of the game under Curle’s reign.
Nicky Adams was an excellent player for us but some of his diving was shameful.
Danny certainly enters into the gamesmanship side of the game.
I don’t like it but like all fans, I am massively biased towards my own team.
From an entertainment perspective, I think it is killing the game.
The Stevenage lad going down in injury time as if he was in a bad way, when we were attacking, with physios rushing on, forcing play to be stopped was the worst example I can remember. I checked and he played the next game in full, three days later.
It’s time to say enough is enough, I can’t go on.
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29 Nov 2018 23:46 #59 by cufcmike
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During my Sunday League days, the only time a player was down for more than 5 seconds was if something was seriously wrong.

If a player is down for more than say 10 seconds, he should br sent off for treatment for 5 minutes. If he's hurt he'll benefit, if he's not, he'll soon man up.

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30 Nov 2018 08:01 #60 by franksidebottom
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We had this discussion a while ago, I wonder what percentage of players going down and staying down are genuinely injured or require attention, my guess was around 10%. The blame primarily rests with the player who are obviously the main culprits but the authorities unwillingness to address the problem is also a big factor. If someone goes down why not just let the physio on while the game continues, that way there’s no benefit in acting up to get the game stopped it would also stop this ridiculous scenario of having to kick the ball out and who gives who the ball back, etc.

As for Carlisle players not doing it, I think some folk are very blinkered when it comes to criticising their own. Shaun Miller used to cheat, so much so he had the ignominy of being the first player retrospectively banned for diving. Nicky Adams used to dive, Danny Grainger cheats and looking a bit further back Joe Garner was probably the biggest diver I’ve seen in a Carlisle shirt. Every team does, mainly because they’ve been allowed to do it by the unwillingness of the authorities to address the problem. Allardyce was on goals on Sunday once saying it’s part of the game now, it’s only part of the game because it’s been allowed to be.

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30 Nov 2018 10:31 #61 by thesilentone
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Neymar and Dele Alli, same mould, cheating bxxrds !

However, I will say in his defence Neymar did get genuinely whacked a few times on Wed night.

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06 Dec 2018 12:11 #62 by Willy
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ParcelPete wrote: That Pele wasn't bad either.


Pele claims he was a better player than ‘one skill’ Lionel Messi and urges Neymar to cut out the diving
www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/int...mbappe-a8670141.html

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06 Dec 2018 13:36 #63 by ParcelPete
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And to think Alice Cooper called him "Neymar Mr nice guy"
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06 Dec 2018 13:56 #64 by Willy
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ParcelPete wrote: And to think Alice Cooper called him "Neymar Mr nice guy"


Alice Cooper, wasn't he the bloke who bit the head off chickens?

We'll have to introduce him to Neymar.

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07 Dec 2018 18:24 #65 by bruntonpete
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Pele could put Neymar to shame in the keepy up stakes too ;-)

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07 Dec 2018 18:42 #66 by crunchblue
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One skill Lionel Messi :lol: I’ve heard it all now.

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