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11 Sep 2018 18:50 #1401 by DeckchairBlue
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seesaw50 wrote: Could it be a continuing guilt trip ...free movement could not only be the "undoing of Europe" ie the Union but much much worse the way these far right parties are growing


The rise of the far right seems to be the hot topic right now, when in truth less than 1 in 5 voters in the EU actually end up voting for a far right party.

Look at Sweden, all the pre vote expectations were of a massive swing to the right, instead they are the 3rd biggest part, much like when we were expected to have a huge gain for UKIP which never materialised.

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11 Sep 2018 19:04 - 11 Sep 2018 19:06 #1402 by seesaw50
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Still a worry tho deckchair ....a small % rise in numbers year on year and in 5-10 years time who knows how the political landscape in places like Hungary or Italy will look

Afterthought..and yes look at Sweden, previously a benign country minding its own business. There is a big rise in unhappy bunnies there

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11 Sep 2018 20:24 #1403 by thesilentone
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These are not small rises, they are huge. If we see a continuation of problems caused by extremists, this will continue to grow.

Why do we force people to integrate without any clear policy on how it should be managed ?

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11 Sep 2018 20:43 #1404 by munchymagic
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I have not heard one reporter saying 'well if we get out first then we will have got our shop in order in time and those that follow will come crawling to us for advice and help and to try to tap into our new found trading methods'.

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11 Sep 2018 21:07 #1405 by seesaw50
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thesilentone wrote: These are not small rises, they are huge. If we see a continuation of problems caused by extremists, this will continue to grow.

Why do we force people to integrate without any clear policy on how it should be managed ?


From the beginning of time people have not wanted to live cheek by jowel with other people who are different from themselves. It cannot be managed.

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11 Sep 2018 21:18 #1406 by Dentonholmersimpson
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seesaw50 wrote:

thesilentone wrote: These are not small rises, they are huge. If we see a continuation of problems caused by extremists, this will continue to grow.

Why do we force people to integrate without any clear policy on how it should be managed ?


From the beginning of time people have not wanted to live cheek by jowel with other people who are different from themselves. It cannot be managed.


The analagy I would use is, take the World Cup for example, thousands of people of differing nations, cultures, religions all living and mixing together joined by the common bond of football.

Fantastic experience meeting people from all corners of the globe, but you wouldn't want them all coming home with you when it finished.

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11 Sep 2018 21:25 #1407 by Markovitch
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Bank of England forecasts 8-10% fall in gdp if the tories go ahead. Rees mogg and Mr may are advising their clients to move their money out of Britain. The army developing plans to deal with mass civil disobedience in the months following brexit. Ftse already sliding and the pound is preducted to fall, by soros to 75p to the dollar. Going to be brilliant. Take back control. But make sure your savings are in foreign currency. If you do that you'll make a killing

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11 Sep 2018 21:32 #1408 by CCU
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From the Homepage of George Soros’s own Website...

George Soros has been a prominent international supporter of democratic ideals and causes for more than 30 years. His philanthropic organization, the Open Society Foundations, supports democracy and human rights in more than 100 countries.

If George is such a big fan of democracy he can respect our vote and [censored] off...

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11 Sep 2018 21:35 #1409 by Dentonholmersimpson
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All these forecasts are marvelous scare tactics if you believe them.

I prefer to listen to the people who have put their own money where their mouths are, the likes of Dyson, Tim Martin and the guy who runs JCB.

Not those who have an alteriative agenda or the likes of the Kinnocks or Mandelson who's gravy train will hit the buffers when we leave.

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11 Sep 2018 22:06 #1410 by whytakemypostcode
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Aye, and "just in time" supply chains and tarrifs are irrelevant!

Dentonholmersimpson wrote: Sales of Jaguar Land Rover have dropped 5% in the last few months. Diesel to blame predominantly.

Another looking to blame brexit for their own failings.

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11 Sep 2018 22:17 #1411 by Dentonholmersimpson
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whytakemypostcode wrote: Aye, and "just in time" supply chains and tarrifs are irrelevant!

Dentonholmersimpson wrote: Sales of Jaguar Land Rover have dropped 5% in the last few months. Diesel to blame predominantly.

Another looking to blame brexit for their own failings.


Years go Nissan threatened to leave the UK if we didn't sign up to the Euro/

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11 Sep 2018 22:58 #1412 by DeckchairBlue
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munchymagic wrote: I have not heard one reporter saying 'well if we get out first then we will have got our shop in order in time and those that follow will come crawling to us for advice and help and to try to tap into our new found trading methods'.


Because that's not happening. The great surge of others holding referendums once we voted out hasn't happened as Farage predicted.

We now have 7 months to go before 'leave day', we still don't have anything at all agreed, our politicians are all arguing amongst themselves over what any deal should look like because none of them know.

The best case outcome from top Brexiteers has gone from we will be much better off and be able to dictate our terms, to we might get out on the same terms we have now all the way down to we might have to take decades of pain before realising any real gains.

On top of that the country is more divided than it ever has been in memory.

Great stuff eh ?

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11 Sep 2018 23:07 #1413 by DeckchairBlue
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CCU wrote: From the Homepage of George Soros’s own Website...

George Soros has been a prominent international supporter of democratic ideals and causes for more than 30 years. His philanthropic organization, the Open Society Foundations, supports democracy and human rights in more than 100 countries.

If George is such a big fan of democracy he can respect our vote and [censored] off...


Maybe he's backing the people's vote.

I'm a firm supporter of the view that we should be given a vote on the final Brexit deal, but with no campaigning from either side allowed, just information of what the deal entails released.

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11 Sep 2018 23:21 #1414 by Dentonholmersimpson
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

CCU wrote: From the Homepage of George Soros’s own Website...

George Soros has been a prominent international supporter of democratic ideals and causes for more than 30 years. His philanthropic organization, the Open Society Foundations, supports democracy and human rights in more than 100 countries.

If George is such a big fan of democracy he can respect our vote and [censored] off...


Maybe he's backing the people's vote.

I'm a firm supporter of the view that we should be given a vote on the final Brexit deal, but with no campaigning from either side allowed, just information of what the deal entails released.


It depends on what the question is in the so called peoples vote.

If it is purely, we are leaving, is it a hard or soft brexit we want, no problem.

But if it is the Justine Greening version of hard brexit, soft brexit or remain in the EU then a definate no.

I know brexiteers are branded stupid but not that stupid.

If we went for the latter it would mean the remainers would vote for remain, whereas the leave vote would be split, so remain would walk it.

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11 Sep 2018 23:32 #1415 by munchymagic
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munchymagic wrote: I have not heard one reporter saying 'well if we get out first then we will have got our shop in order in time and those that follow will come crawling to us for advice and help and to try to tap into our new found trading methods'.


Because that's not happening. The great surge of others holding referendums once we voted out hasn't happened as Farage predicted.

We now have 7 months to go before 'leave day', we still don't have anything at all agreed, our politicians are all arguing amongst themselves over what any deal should look like because none of them know.

The best case outcome from top Brexiteers has gone from we will be much better off and be able to dictate our terms, to we might get out on the same terms we have now all the way down to we might have to take decades of pain before realising any real gains.

On top of that the country is more divided than it ever has been in memory.

Great stuff eh ?


Not my fault that I voted out and so did the majority.

Don't worry we will be out soon and DB - unless you bought your 'chick' then you should be okay with her and the kids staying in the country, so what is your beef?

They wont throw her back to the nasty world that is not the UK....

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12 Sep 2018 07:05 #1416 by Markovitch
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They were discussing the eu withdrawal plan in parliament. There are more people on here chipping in than there were MPs in the house

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12 Sep 2018 07:44 #1417 by DeckchairBlue
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munchymagic wrote:

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munchymagic wrote: I have not heard one reporter saying 'well if we get out first then we will have got our shop in order in time and those that follow will come crawling to us for advice and help and to try to tap into our new found trading methods'.


Because that's not happening. The great surge of others holding referendums once we voted out hasn't happened as Farage predicted.

We now have 7 months to go before 'leave day', we still don't have anything at all agreed, our politicians are all arguing amongst themselves over what any deal should look like because none of them know.

The best case outcome from top Brexiteers has gone from we will be much better off and be able to dictate our terms, to we might get out on the same terms we have now all the way down to we might have to take decades of pain before realising any real gains.

On top of that the country is more divided than it ever has been in memory.

Great stuff eh ?


Not my fault that I voted out and so did the majority.

Don't worry we will be out soon and DB - unless you bought your 'chick' then you should be okay with her and the kids staying in the country, so what is your beef?

They wont throw her back to the nasty world that is not the UK....


Did I place fault on anyone ? Though you are right, if after we leave the country goes to shit it will then be blamed on those who voted Leave, further splitting the country.

Thankfully I only have 1 child, my 'beef' is the state of the country that she will now grow up in.

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12 Sep 2018 07:47 - 12 Sep 2018 07:49 #1418 by DeckchairBlue
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Dentonholmersimpson wrote:

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CCU wrote: From the Homepage of George Soros’s own Website...

George Soros has been a prominent international supporter of democratic ideals and causes for more than 30 years. His philanthropic organization, the Open Society Foundations, supports democracy and human rights in more than 100 countries.

If George is such a big fan of democracy he can respect our vote and [censored] off...


Maybe he's backing the people's vote.

I'm a firm supporter of the view that we should be given a vote on the final Brexit deal, but with no campaigning from either side allowed, just information of what the deal entails released.


It depends on what the question is in the so called peoples vote.

If it is purely, we are leaving, is it a hard or soft brexit we want, no problem.

But if it is the Justine Greening version of hard brexit, soft brexit or remain in the EU then a definate no.

I know brexiteers are branded stupid but not that stupid.

If we went for the latter it would mean the remainers would vote for remain, whereas the leave vote would be split, so remain would walk it.


But we won't be able to vote in whether we have hard or soft Brexit, they would have to negotiate 2 deals then and they are making an arse out of even doing 1.

Simple. "Should we leave the EU with the deal that has been negotiated" or something along those lines.

No campaigning, no lies from either side. Just a release of the terms of the deal for people to digest.
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12 Sep 2018 07:53 #1419 by BlueAl
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My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.
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12 Sep 2018 07:53 #1420 by pacirv
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The drop in car sales is right across the board, nothing to do with brexit, more to do with people wanting to move away from diesel and the car manufacturers still trying to push diesel sales.

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12 Sep 2018 07:57 #1421 by pacirv
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Whether you voted to remain or leave, it's been an utter mess the whole thing should have been a cross party deal the Tory party do not represent us all, and given that fact we probably should have a say in the final deal as it affects us all.
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12 Sep 2018 09:05 #1422 by Markovitch
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BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


The losing side do include the prime minister and most of the cabinet.

The strange thing is that the brexit team are still repeating their bullshit. Boris is still banging on about 350m for the NHS. Mogg was drivelling on about adopting wto trade rules. There are 5 countries in the world that use wto rules only. Economically the largest is mauretania, one fiftieth the gdp of Britain and who has 15% of its population living as slaves.

The automatic implementation of 20% tariffs will screw exporters, importers, manufacturers with foreign components and industries using cheap labour. The lack of demand for the pound will cause it to weaken and to protect it the bank of England will put up interest rates. So its a huge opportunity. Transfer pounds to dollars now, transfer them back after brexit, assets prices will fall so you double your money. You can bet that is what mogg is banking on, his company is advising their clients to do just that.

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12 Sep 2018 09:31 - 12 Sep 2018 09:32 #1423 by DeckchairBlue
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BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


And this is the problem, dividing the country along the lines of the 'winning' side and the 'losers'. I haven't seen anybody who doesn't acknowledge the result, it happened so how could they.

But democracy doesn't happen like that does it, you can't have 1 vote and then expect people to live with that for eternity, if we did then we would still have the Whig government that was voted for in 1708.

The thing that most people now seem to he against is the 'Brexit at all costs' rhetoric being pushed by the hardliners, most of whom are comfortably wealthy enough to ride out any pain that it will cause, and as a result are doing their best to hamper any deal that can be made.
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12 Sep 2018 09:33 #1424 by Dancingbear
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Was that Pitt the embryo?

There's only one way of life and that's your own!!!
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12 Sep 2018 10:44 #1425 by thesilentone
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BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


The losing side do include the prime minister and most of the cabinet.

The strange thing is that the brexit team are still repeating their bullshit. Boris is still banging on about 350m for the NHS. Mogg was drivelling on about adopting wto trade rules. There are 5 countries in the world that use wto rules only. Economically the largest is mauretania, one fiftieth the gdp of Britain and who has 15% of its population living as slaves.

The automatic implementation of 20% tariffs will screw exporters, importers, manufacturers with foreign components and industries using cheap labour. The lack of demand for the pound will cause it to weaken and to protect it the bank of England will put up interest rates. So its a huge opportunity. Transfer pounds to dollars now, transfer them back after brexit, assets prices will fall so you double your money. You can bet that is what mogg is banking on, his company is advising their clients to do just that.


The divide that is Brexit (North-South) has generally been brought about by the free movement of people. This has divided communities, increased crime and reduced security. in addition it has also stretched our own resources and services beyond breaking point, a cost borne by the UK taxpayers. Back in the late 80's and early 90's the Taliban and Saddam ensured a steady flow of people leaving Afghanistan and Iraq, which Mr Blair and Bush escalated.
This, along with creeping federalisation mainly driven by the frogs and krauts, as well as insulated control on markets and manufacturing, in addition to exorbitant levels of waste and bureaucracy is why we voted to leave the EU. The largest majorities were in the North, with Carlisle and Copland up there well above national average (over 60%) Those areas most directly affected (the veg growing areas and South East Corner) over 70%, however in general the South (mainly London and Home Counties) were below the average.
So, let us agree the political map is (in general) the Socialist working class areas drove Brexit vote.
Now we have the fall-out of that, and it is only as difficult as the EU want it to be. We could have remained, had the pig-headedness about open borders been toned down when Cameron tried to persuade them the error of this policy.
Now we have an increase of right wing political parties, refugees being refused assylam, and in general unhappy people - all down to pig-headed people who also allowed free working anywhere in the EU, which we wrongly agreed to.
Escalating the growth of the EU without meeting the conditions for fear of Russia beating them, is also a failed policy for which we are all paying the price. Those other Countries that want out, can't afford it, a position that will suit the Eurocrats fine.

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12 Sep 2018 11:38 #1426 by whytakemypostcode
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Anyone with eyes can see Brexit it a catastrophic failure and should be abandoned. It is economic suicide for the world's sixth biggest economy to put itself in such a dangerous position. The selfservatives and Brexiteers have put themselves and their hidden dark money before the country, and will lead the breakup of the UK.

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12 Sep 2018 12:06 - 12 Sep 2018 12:07 #1427 by thesilentone
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Like it, or lump it, it is a democratic decision........

Oh, and if you mean a reinvigorated Scotland, I doubt it. But if they let all of the British people vote for Scottish Independence, then they would succeed.
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12 Sep 2018 12:41 #1428 by Markovitch
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Saddam and George Bush are responsible for Brexit! You sound like Laffy! You have to admit the Wilson Government left the country in tatters and that's why people are dying in hospital corridors now!

Anyone who sees something offered by Mogg and Johnson and doesn't click immediately that, financially. this will result in them losing and Mogg etc gaining is operating on such a delusional level that if they don't lose everything in Brexit they will somewhere else down the line- so I guess its an irrelevance. Who knows though, maybe if people are poorer they will focus more on quality of life. Another massive fall in wages might lead to people having a better work-life balance, once the initial shock of losing your job, selling your house etc is over maybe you will be happier. It could be a huge benefit, let's see, only 200 days to go and we join Palau on the WTO only list, how exciting is that?

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12 Sep 2018 13:20 #1429 by NORTHERNSOUL
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BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


We should have just announced on the night of the vote that we would be leaving on 31st of December that year and just left the EU to make whatever arrangements they liked If you resign from something you just go ahead and do it you don't have years of negotiating first.

And why are our Elected representatives negotiating with unelected EU officials when we should be demanding the likes of Merkel get there arses there instead.

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12 Sep 2018 17:08 #1430 by Flatcap
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thesilentone wrote: These are not small rises, they are huge. If we see a continuation of problems caused by extremists, this will continue to grow.

Why do we force people to integrate without any clear policy on how it should be managed ?


Trouble is most of them, when they come into the country,don't integrate but stop in their own little enclaves.

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12 Sep 2018 17:52 - 12 Sep 2018 17:54 #1431 by DeckchairBlue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


We should have just announced on the night of the vote that we would be leaving on 31st of December that year and just left the EU to make whatever arrangements they liked If you resign from something you just go ahead and do it you don't have years of negotiating first.

And why are our Elected representatives negotiating with unelected EU officials when we should be demanding the likes of Merkel get there arses there instead.


Because about 44% of our exports go to the EU whereas only 16% (if you don't include trade between EU members) of their's go to us. Exports to the EU represents about 14% of our economy, exports to the UK represents about 3% of the EU27's economy.

Just leaving would be disastrous for the business in this country that rely on importing and exporting to/with the EU, even you aren't simple enough not to understand that.

Figures were sourced from fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/
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12 Sep 2018 17:55 #1432 by DeckchairBlue
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thesilentone wrote: These are not small rises, they are huge. If we see a continuation of problems caused by extremists, this will continue to grow.

Why do we force people to integrate without any clear policy on how it should be managed ?


Trouble is most of them, when they come into the country,don't integrate but stop in their own little enclaves.


So like Brits do when they move to Spain then or any city that has a little Italy or Chinatown ?
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12 Sep 2018 18:53 - 12 Sep 2018 18:53 #1433 by thesilentone
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The likely-hood of a no-deal Brexit are very slim, hence all the buxxxit about a leadership challenge, with the names of potential PM's being anti-EU.
In addition just to use BMW as an example, 60% of there production is sold OUTSIDE the EU (counting the UK) we account for 10%.
Mercedes sell three times as many cars in the US and China as they do in Germany.
It ain't gonna happen.............
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12 Sep 2018 19:07 - 12 Sep 2018 19:12 #1434 by NORTHERNSOUL
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DeckchairBlue wrote:

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BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


We should have just announced on the night of the vote that we would be leaving on 31st of December that year and just left the EU to make whatever arrangements they liked If you resign from something you just go ahead and do it you don't have years of negotiating first.

And why are our Elected representatives negotiating with unelected EU officials when we should be demanding the likes of Merkel get there arses there instead.


Because about 44% of our exports go to the EU whereas only 16% (if you don't include trade between EU members) of their's go to us. Exports to the EU represents about 14% of our economy, exports to the UK represents about 3% of the EU27's economy.

Just leaving would be disastrous for the business in this country that rely on importing and exporting to/with the EU, even you aren't simple enough not to understand that.

Figures were sourced from fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/


Exactly it would take [censored] like me about 10 minutes to work out ways around whatever they put in place or to come up with ways to punish them that they just go oh just let the [censored] get on with it

The minute the frogs start kickin off i.d just fill boats with every single asylum seeker who arrived here from there they.ll soon start winging when they have to start sorting that lot out
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12 Sep 2018 19:34 #1435 by Markovitch
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thesilentone wrote: The likely-hood of a no-deal Brexit are very slim, hence all the buxxxit about a leadership challenge, with the names of potential PM's being anti-EU.
In addition just to use BMW as an example, 60% of there production is sold OUTSIDE the EU (counting the UK) we account for 10%.
Mercedes sell three times as many cars in the US and China as they do in Germany.
It ain't gonna happen.............


Except that all 27 countries have to ratify any agreement. So it has to go through internal checks in each country, then the countries have to come together and agree as a block. They have 2 months at most to get something acceptable to the EU to have any chance of there being an agreement in place
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12 Sep 2018 19:44 #1436 by CCU
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26. Hungary are in the bad books seemingly and not allowed to play...

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12 Sep 2018 20:04 #1437 by Markovitch
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Boris probably doesn't realise it is a country, like Turkey.

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12 Sep 2018 20:11 #1438 by DeckchairBlue
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

DeckchairBlue wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


We should have just announced on the night of the vote that we would be leaving on 31st of December that year and just left the EU to make whatever arrangements they liked If you resign from something you just go ahead and do it you don't have years of negotiating first.

And why are our Elected representatives negotiating with unelected EU officials when we should be demanding the likes of Merkel get there arses there instead.


Because about 44% of our exports go to the EU whereas only 16% (if you don't include trade between EU members) of their's go to us. Exports to the EU represents about 14% of our economy, exports to the UK represents about 3% of the EU27's economy.

Just leaving would be disastrous for the business in this country that rely on importing and exporting to/with the EU, even you aren't simple enough not to understand that.

Figures were sourced from fullfact.org/europe/uk-eu-trade/


Exactly it would take [censored] like me about 10 minutes to work out ways around whatever they put in place or to come up with ways to punish them that they just go oh just let the [censored] get on with it

The minute the frogs start kickin off i.d just fill boats with every single asylum seeker who arrived here from there they.ll soon start winging when they have to start sorting that lot out


Of course Barry of course or we could stick within the realms of reality and not your dreamland.

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13 Sep 2018 07:29 #1439 by Alan
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I'll just leave this here.
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13 Sep 2018 09:30 #1440 by High Street
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BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


Try living in Scotland then.

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13 Sep 2018 09:31 #1441 by High Street
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

BlueAl wrote: My 'beef' is that the losing side don't respect the fact they lost. It was a small majority, but they will lost and won't accept the result.


We should have just announced on the night of the vote that we would be leaving on 31st of December that year and just left the EU to make whatever arrangements they liked If you resign from something you just go ahead and do it you don't have years of negotiating first.

And why are our Elected representatives negotiating with unelected EU officials when we should be demanding the likes of Merkel get there arses there instead.


Michel Barnier is an elected MEP.

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13 Sep 2018 09:51 #1442 by orfc
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The Brexit infighting isn't just bad for trade, it means the government has effectively taken its eye off the ball for everything else too

News over the last couple of days that the moorside development that was meant to bring 10,000+ jobs to West Cumbria has stalled at the planning stage and may not happen. Yeah, toshiba going tits up didn't help, and let's face it big plans for cumbria usually stop at this stage (carlisle renaissance, blue yonder) but a government that wasn't fighting itself would have got something this important sorted and back on track

www.itv.com/news/border/2018-09-12/moors...e-brink-of-collapse/

If you voted brexit, yes, you ARE to blame

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13 Sep 2018 09:54 - 13 Sep 2018 09:57 #1443 by Happyblue
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Alan wrote: I'll just leave this here.

But leaving does not mean not having a deal, we still have to be able to trade with the EU , we still have huge fincial investments in the EU , we are still relaient on the EU for food. Even people who were capainging for Brexit like Farage talked about having agreements with the EU. As a nation we can't be self relaient , we don't have the resources, the skills or even the workforce, as we've got a rapidly aging population, Leave meant differnt things to different people just because you believe in your way of leaving doesn't mean others do, the vote was 52/48, that doesn't mean the all 52% want a hard Brexit , you could maybe argue for Are Brexit if it was 60/40 but a significant number of those 52% will not want a hard Brexit.

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orfc wrote: The Brexit infighting isn't just bad for trade, it means the government has effectively taken its eye off the ball for everything else too

News over the last couple of days that the moorside development that was meant to bring 10,000+ jobs to West Cumbria has stalled at the planning stage and may not happen. Yeah, toshiba going tits up didn't help, and let's face it big plans for cumbria usually stop at this stage (carlisle renaissance, blue yonder) but a government that wasn't fighting itself would have got something this important sorted and back on track

www.itv.com/news/border/2018-09-12/moors...e-brink-of-collapse/

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The spoke was put in this wheel some considerable time ago, by the Government.

It should suit the Socialists, as we appear to have suddenly grown a conscience about who funds our utilities.

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13 Sep 2018 10:01 #1445 by CCU
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But nobody is suggesting that by leaving the EU we won’t still trade with Europe?

We simply want to do so as an Independent Country, who control our own Borders, and have our own Laws. Much like countries such as USA, China etc do.

It’s not rocket science...

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13 Sep 2018 10:16 - 13 Sep 2018 10:17 #1446 by seesaw50
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I see Dominic Raab has now said if we don't get a satisfactory deal we won't be paying the "divorce bill" in full .....first time I've heard that
In words

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13 Sep 2018 10:18 #1447 by Happyblue
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CCU wrote: But nobody is suggesting that by leaving the EU we won’t still trade with Europe?

We simply want to do so as an Independent Country, who control our own Borders, and have our own Laws. Much like countries such as USA, China etc do.

It’s not rocket science...

But you still need to negotiate that trade deal , a no deal Brexit mean we would use the WTO rules of trade and their is a reason why no country actually follows that and has their own agreements in places , a no deal Brexit could mean a period of very little imports while we go through the long process of agreeing tariffs with every country on earth , It will be a good period of eirher very expensive food or nothing on the shelves at the shops if we have no deal.

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13 Sep 2018 10:23 #1448 by High Street
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However did we manage before 1974?

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13 Sep 2018 10:30 #1449 by orfc
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High Street wrote: However did we manage before 1974?


Poorly, that's why we asked to join :-)

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13 Sep 2018 10:51 #1450 by CCU
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Happyblue wrote:

CCU wrote: But nobody is suggesting that by leaving the EU we won’t still trade with Europe?

We simply want to do so as an Independent Country, who control our own Borders, and have our own Laws. Much like countries such as USA, China etc do.

It’s not rocket science...

But you still need to negotiate that trade deal , a no deal Brexit mean we would use the WTO rules of trade and their is a reason why no country actually follows that and has their own agreements in places , a no deal Brexit could mean a period of very little imports while we go through the long process of agreeing tariffs with every country on earth , It will be a good period of eirher very expensive food or nothing on the shelves at the shops if we have no deal.


Yes, we will, but the longer it goes on, the more they’ll be scared of not receiving a pay off from us. £39bn isn’t it? Tick tock...

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