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09 Feb 2018 08:24 #201 by pacirv
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People are living in the past to think we are still a major force in the world, thanks to Govt selling off everything to foreign firms that is no longer true, we don't control our infrastructure since privatisation and are wide open to being fckd over by foreign Govts. It's far better to be part of a bigger stronger set up and work from the inside to change thing than standing on the outside throwing bricks at the windows, the same analogy could be said for the club and people's refusal to be in the trust to get change. But hey ho the people have spoken and will have to reap the rewards or suffer the consequences of what has happened. Making decisions on what has turned out to be based on bare faced lies is never a good thing apparently it's easy to fool the public. Detest Farage and his like but maybe if they ever work out a deal there should be another referendum to vote on the deal.

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09 Feb 2018 10:25 #202 by Markovitch
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Unfortunately what is happening now is the worst of all worlds for everyone. I worked for the EU and a less effective, less efficient organisation I have never seen. The Government should have said the British people are unhappy with the EU we need reforms. The EU took that on board and worked to get some better quality staff in positions. Instead now we will be slapped with 20% taxes which will be catastrophic for us and the EU will continue as before so no one wins
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09 Feb 2018 10:33 #203 by Bruntonpasty
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Markovitch wrote: Unfortunately what is happening now is the worst of all worlds for everyone. I worked for the EU and a less effective, less efficient organisation I have never seen. The Government should have said the British people are unhappy with the EU we need reforms. The EU took that on board and worked to get some better quality staff in positions. Instead now we will be slapped with 20% taxes which will be catastrophic for us and the EU will continue as before so no one wins


Your comments with regards the EU changing make me think of the old addage "You can lead a horse to water.......". I think if Cameron had been able to get some significant changes when he went there asking for such, the referendum result may well have been the opposite to what occurred. My vote was cast as a leave and this was one of the reasons, the EU doesn't want to change and certainly not at our behest. All the talk of hard Brexit from our side is twaddle too, if anyone is making things harder than they need to be, it is the EU. They really don't want to lose our funding because they'll have the shortfall to make up between them, at least those who are net contributors will, the net recipients will just keep their caps out waiting for the cash.

They don't like it up 'em!

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09 Feb 2018 11:05 #204 by Markovitch
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Too many people are doing too well out of it. These people earn 6 figure tax free salaries for doing nothing of value but they will fight change tooth and nail because hey will never get employed anywhere else. Just look at Farage

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09 Feb 2018 11:34 #205 by thesilentone
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I am not a Farage fan, however, I think you are way off the reality of what he has (virtually single handedly) achieved. He will become a multi-millionaire from this......

The bureaucrats in Brussels are like any other dictators, they are immune to reality. They think they, and they alone control the markets, labour rules and regulations and can do what they want.

This is very bad for World trade, and there will be no one happier than the Yanks and Chinks, that the UK is weakening the EU cartel.

Most western Governments are becoming impudent to achieve anything of significance as majorities are weakened by the march of the right. This has been ignited by a ridiculous EU policy that somehow we can have free movement of people, without monetary union and parity.

What's that policy all about ? Fear of the Big Red Bear ?

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09 Feb 2018 12:01 #206 by CumbrianView
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Whats in it for them ,its the same people all the time wanting us to stop in the EU.What as Soros got to gain or Blair or Miller ,the money people of London are the ones that are pushing for us to stay in .Guess what these same people behind the 2008 financial crash ,yes the banks the gorverment bailed out.Watch the news networks they are doom and gloom when interviewing uk politicians but someone from the EU you would think the reporter was having a orgasm .London as to much influence over the UK they should get out into the real world and see whats really happening.The same people are the ones that dont like Donald Trump ask yourself this what influence will he have on your Life nothing its because hes against the established rich Elite the very same thing Brexit is that they are against him .Theres something very worrying going on in the UK when was the last time you heard the word immigration on tv ,its the elephant in the room no one mentions it all we hear is give the NHS more money well the experience i had recently left me traumatised .Watching my mam die in Hospital while a Polish drunk spewed blood all over casualty floor and a gang of east europeans 2 complaining they had a pain and were told to go see there gp the treatment my mother recieved in hospital was terrible what i saw i will never forget its not money it needs, its culling from the top two many managers walking about with bits of paper in there hands .They go on about EU nurses but they were involved in this situation with with my mother . You cant increase the population of a country by 2 million and not do anything about it everything will break down .Thats what Brexit is all about ,This is the real world life is more important than money so get your arses out of London and see whats really going on.
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09 Feb 2018 12:03 #207 by Arragorn
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Brexit is an unmitigated shambles and could easily turn out to be a total disater. No one has a clue as to what will really happen. Its as if the Government had employed our BOD Clibbens & King to draw up the leaving strategy.

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09 Feb 2018 12:22 #208 by thesilentone
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Arragorn wrote: Brexit is an unmitigated shambles and could easily turn out to be a total disater. No one has a clue as to what will really happen. Its as if the Government had employed our BOD Clibbens & King to draw up the leaving strategy.


Please explain why you think it will be a shambles ?

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09 Feb 2018 12:48 #209 by whytakemypostcode
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I'd love to hear how now that we are "taking back control", in reality how will Brexit practically improve the quality our daily life? I'd love to be proved wrong, but can't see it myself! - awaiting to be called a "bedwetter"!

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09 Feb 2018 14:08 #210 by NORTHERNSOUL
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ExiledJock wrote: Farage is such an expert he's failed to ever win an election. He couldn't negotiate you a good deal on a car.


I didnt realise negotiating leaving the EU was an election

There shouldnt be any negotiating full stop We should have just had Nige tell them what we were going to do and how many immigrants and asylum seekers we,d be sending them back in fact all we needed to know rom them would be which ports theyd like our ferries to drop them off at.

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09 Feb 2018 16:16 - 09 Feb 2018 16:17 #211 by munchymagic
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Am I right in thinking that the billions mentioned the UK have to pay are because we will still be in the EU so still get the same treatment, yet when we leave we still have to pay for things we have committed too?

Farage is the man to tackle these leeches, at least he is consistent and his main power is that he is the only one not scared of them.
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09 Feb 2018 16:44 #212 by orfc
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thesilentone wrote:

Arragorn wrote: Brexit is an unmitigated shambles and could easily turn out to be a total disater. No one has a clue as to what will really happen. Its as if the Government had employed our BOD Clibbens & King to draw up the leaving strategy.


Please explain why you think it will be a shambles ?


Because it's 596 days since the Brexit vote and fork all has been sorted yet.
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09 Feb 2018 17:25 #213 by Laffy
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As always it comes down to money.The penny has dropped that we were a massive contributor to this Ponzi scheme so now we are out,some of the less well heeled countries will be getting less hand outs eg Greece and the more well heeled eg Germany,will be putting more in.We on the other hand will be better off.Like any business which loses at least 20pc of its revenue,it’s not going to be happy, hence the current hiatus.

The horse trade is over the cost to us for ‘free’ access to market.We will still be miles better off outside this German/French Ponzi scheme.

It must be the negotiation from hell when you have lots of career politicians poking their nose in!

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09 Feb 2018 17:33 - 09 Feb 2018 17:41 #214 by NORTHERNSOUL
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orfc wrote:

thesilentone wrote:

Arragorn wrote: Brexit is an unmitigated shambles and could easily turn out to be a total disater. No one has a clue as to what will really happen. Its as if the Government had employed our BOD Clibbens & King to draw up the leaving strategy.


Please explain why you think it will be a shambles ?


Because it's 596 days since the Brexit vote and fork all has been sorted yet.


Exactly we should of just given them 7 days notice the day after the vote And told the foreign cu.nts to get [censored]

And then let Nige negotiate from a position of power basically explaining to them how it was going to be and what they could do if they weren't happy with that. Starting with the fact that we.re the ones who own the nuclear subs and if they'd like invoices for the protection those subs have afforded certain countries for the 50 years they could have them by return of post.

Instead of that we have boring little men from two bit countries threatening us with this and that Nige would have just reminded them what happened the last time one of them pissed him off.
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09 Feb 2018 19:38 #215 by whytakemypostcode
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Laffy wrote: As always it comes down to money.The penny has dropped that we were a massive contributor to this Ponzi scheme so now we are out,some of the less well heeled countries will be getting less hand outs eg Greece and the more well heeled eg Germany,will be putting more in.We on the other hand will be better off.Like any business which loses at least 20pc of its revenue,it’s not going to be happy, hence the current hiatus.

The horse trade is over the cost to us for ‘free’ access to market.We will still be miles better off outside this German/French Ponzi scheme.

It must be the negotiation from hell when you have lots of career politicians poking their nose in!


Aye, and when prices go through the roof, unemployment rises, the NHS goes to the wall, tax receipts fall, services suffer - why would it effect a multi millionaire businessman comfortable in his Northumberland mansion!
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09 Feb 2018 19:41 #216 by howoldboy
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Laffy wrote: As always it comes down to money.The penny has dropped that we were a massive contributor to this Ponzi scheme so now we are out,some of the less well heeled countries will be getting less hand outs eg Greece and the more well heeled eg Germany,will be putting more in.We on the other hand will be better off.Like any business which loses at least 20pc of its revenue,it’s not going to be happy, hence the current hiatus.

The horse trade is over the cost to us for ‘free’ access to market.We will still be miles better off outside this German/French Ponzi scheme.

It must be the negotiation from hell when you have lots of career politicians poking their nose in!


I'm sure you'll be OK Laffy. You have enough in the bank to survive the short term pain.

I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands that will end up unemployed and be dependent on food banks to survive.... assuming the ever caring Tories agree to continue paying Job Seekers Allowance.
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09 Feb 2018 19:55 #217 by munchymagic
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howoldboy wrote:

Laffy wrote: As always it comes down to money.The penny has dropped that we were a massive contributor to this Ponzi scheme so now we are out,some of the less well heeled countries will be getting less hand outs eg Greece and the more well heeled eg Germany,will be putting more in.We on the other hand will be better off.Like any business which loses at least 20pc of its revenue,it’s not going to be happy, hence the current hiatus.

The horse trade is over the cost to us for ‘free’ access to market.We will still be miles better off outside this German/French Ponzi scheme.

It must be the negotiation from hell when you have lots of career politicians poking their nose in!


I'm sure you'll be OK Laffy. You have enough in the bank to survive the short term pain.

I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands that will end up unemployed and be dependent on food banks to survive.... assuming the ever caring Tories agree to continue paying Job Seekers Allowance.


Barrel of laughs aren't you Mr Propaganda.

Even Happy is more accurate than that pile of your vision diarrhoea.

Have you never thought that when it comes to looking after our own more then food banks and the like are likely to decrease perhaps, that is just a thought however and not a statement like yours by the way.

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09 Feb 2018 20:26 #218 by Laffy
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Sorry but I take offence to the multi millionaire bit-I’m piss poor.

This whole Brexit thing drives me nuts-since the great ‘uncertainty’ surrounding our exit,employment has gone up,helped by immigration slowing down.Despite this,most people around the world would give a kidney to get a British passport.Why?Because this is Britain and we are different.We have a proper legal system,embrace culture,we are creative and smart,educated and have the NHS at the centre of our society.

We will be just fine-our market dwarfs most European countries and I doubt it’s escaped Merkel’s notice that we import a lot of what the Germans manufacture.She is calling the shots.

The fact that we are supposedly getting bullied by Eurocrats is sickening-our engagement in two world wars saved Europe from permanent destruction.

Let’s see what happens when old Berlusconi twists the knife in a few weeks and tests European ‘unity’

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09 Feb 2018 20:49 #219 by malaguista
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The money lost to the EU from the Uks contribution ,when divided by the number of EU residents works out at approx 20 pounds per head per annum ,for the rest of the eu members, whereas we are likely to lose many times that per week ,But the 17 million majority of our 60million affected population, have spoken,SO ROLL ON HAPPY DAYS.

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09 Feb 2018 21:00 #220 by Bruntonpasty
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malaguista wrote: The money lost to the EU from the Uks contribution ,when divided by the number of EU residents works out at approx 20 pounds per head per annum ,for the rest of the eu members, whereas we are likely to lose many times that per week ,But the 17 million majority of our 60million affected population, have spoken,SO ROLL ON HAPPY DAYS.



Except it isn't a cost borne by all member states, most likely only the net contributors, of which there are only about seven or eight member states (one less when we leave) . Also, the unelected beaurocrats will still have their snouts in the EU trough and the inefficiencies and waste will continue..................maybe!

They don't like it up 'em!

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09 Feb 2018 21:01 #221 by Happyblue
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munchymagic wrote:

howoldboy wrote:

Laffy wrote: As always it comes down to money.The penny has dropped that we were a massive contributor to this Ponzi scheme so now we are out,some of the less well heeled countries will be getting less hand outs eg Greece and the more well heeled eg Germany,will be putting more in.We on the other hand will be better off.Like any business which loses at least 20pc of its revenue,it’s not going to be happy, hence the current hiatus.

The horse trade is over the cost to us for ‘free’ access to market.We will still be miles better off outside this German/French Ponzi scheme.

It must be the negotiation from hell when you have lots of career politicians poking their nose in!


I'm sure you'll be OK Laffy. You have enough in the bank to survive the short term pain.

I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands that will end up unemployed and be dependent on food banks to survive.... assuming the ever caring Tories agree to continue paying Job Seekers Allowance.


Barrel of laughs aren't you Mr Propaganda.

Even Happy is more accurate than that pile of your vision diarrhoea.

Have you never thought that when it comes to looking after our own more then food banks and the like are likely to decrease perhaps, that is just a thought however and not a statement like yours by the way.

I think it's called living in reality which , you don't seem to do based upon half your posts, Brexit is good to happen and we need to prepare if you think it's all going to be roses and grand Britannia again with no struggles then your are very blinkered, but I generally get that mentality from you anyway.

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09 Feb 2018 21:14 #222 by munchymagic
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Happyblue wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

howoldboy wrote:

Laffy wrote: As always it comes down to money.The penny has dropped that we were a massive contributor to this Ponzi scheme so now we are out,some of the less well heeled countries will be getting less hand outs eg Greece and the more well heeled eg Germany,will be putting more in.We on the other hand will be better off.Like any business which loses at least 20pc of its revenue,it’s not going to be happy, hence the current hiatus.

The horse trade is over the cost to us for ‘free’ access to market.We will still be miles better off outside this German/French Ponzi scheme.

It must be the negotiation from hell when you have lots of career politicians poking their nose in!


I'm sure you'll be OK Laffy. You have enough in the bank to survive the short term pain.

I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands that will end up unemployed and be dependent on food banks to survive.... assuming the ever caring Tories agree to continue paying Job Seekers Allowance.


Barrel of laughs aren't you Mr Propaganda.

Even Happy is more accurate than that pile of your vision diarrhoea.

Have you never thought that when it comes to looking after our own more then food banks and the like are likely to decrease perhaps, that is just a thought however and not a statement like yours by the way.

I think it's called living in reality which , you don't seem to do based upon half your posts, Brexit is good to happen and we need to prepare if you think it's all going to be roses and grand Britannia again with no struggles then your are very blinkered, but I generally get that mentality from you anyway.


Merely based on your opinion.

And yes, yes there will be lots of roses in my opinion and watching the EU crumble as the cherry on the cake.

You and your uni chums can turn all Che Guevara on the rest of us.

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09 Feb 2018 21:19 #223 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Happyblue wrote:

munchymagic wrote:

howoldboy wrote:

Laffy wrote: As always it comes down to money.The penny has dropped that we were a massive contributor to this Ponzi scheme so now we are out,some of the less well heeled countries will be getting less hand outs eg Greece and the more well heeled eg Germany,will be putting more in.We on the other hand will be better off.Like any business which loses at least 20pc of its revenue,it’s not going to be happy, hence the current hiatus.

The horse trade is over the cost to us for ‘free’ access to market.We will still be miles better off outside this German/French Ponzi scheme.

It must be the negotiation from hell when you have lots of career politicians poking their nose in!


I'm sure you'll be OK Laffy. You have enough in the bank to survive the short term pain.

I feel sorry for the hundreds of thousands that will end up unemployed and be dependent on food banks to survive.... assuming the ever caring Tories agree to continue paying Job Seekers Allowance.


Barrel of laughs aren't you Mr Propaganda.

Even Happy is more accurate than that pile of your vision diarrhoea.

Have you never thought that when it comes to looking after our own more then food banks and the like are likely to decrease perhaps, that is just a thought however and not a statement like yours by the way.

I think it's called living in reality which , you don't seem to do based upon half your posts, Brexit is good to happen and we need to prepare if you think it's all going to be roses and grand Britannia again with no struggles then your are very blinkered, but I generally get that mentality from you anyway.


You.ll probably turn out to be right Mr Happy but not because we voted to leave but because May and her clowns are not carrying out the wishes of the people who voted to leave or carrying out the negotiations in a manner or with the people that those people who voted leave would approve of.

89% of the people who voted leave said their decision was influenced by immigration/asylum issues and over 45% said it was their main reason for voting to leave yet 98% of those people are not happy with the way the May government have dealt with that issue. And before its too late and we let them crush the country's collective balls in the mud its time we stood up to them and told them to get to [censored]. and this is how its going to be wether you Krauts and Frogs like it or not.

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09 Feb 2018 21:23 #224 by malaguista
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still only a few less coffees peanuts in the bigger picture , When our government waste in projects such as HS2, and the gravy train in westminster still goes on unabashed, The time for reform was due ages ago in both the UK and EU,But whatever comes along after 2020 isnt looking any better than what we already had , ,A planned devolvement from the eu would have given all parties involved more time to come up with a realistic plan ,although with the present incumbments in charge , maybe a decade would still not be long enough . Sadly we stopped ruling the waves many moons ago ,and have morphed into a backward looking nation ,when with a bit more effort from our politicians we could have been the driving force in an integrated europe.

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09 Feb 2018 21:34 #225 by NORTHERNSOUL
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malaguista wrote: still only a few less coffees peanuts in the bigger picture , When our government waste in projects such as HS2, and the gravy train in westminster still goes on unabashed, The time for reform was due ages ago in both the UK and EU,But whatever comes along after 2020 isnt looking any better than what we already had , ,A planned devolvement from the eu would have given all parties involved more time to come up with a realistic plan ,although with the present incumbments in charge , maybe a decade would still not be long enough . Sadly we stopped ruling the waves many moons ago ,and have morphed into a backward looking nation ,when with a bit more effort from our politicians we could have been the driving force in an integrated europe.


Exactly what i.ve been saying time we invaded a few countries and got the old empire back up and running give us somewhere to send all the Poles and Rumanians as their countries dont exactly seem too keen to have them back.

If we were to stay in Europe it should only of be on the basis that we were running it and the Frogs were told who saved their sorry arses in two world wars and the Krauts well and truly told who won those two world wars and the fact that they still owe god knows how many millions in reparation that we never got for the damage that they caused.

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09 Feb 2018 21:55 #227 by howoldboy
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NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

malaguista wrote: still only a few less coffees peanuts in the bigger picture , When our government waste in projects such as HS2, and the gravy train in westminster still goes on unabashed, The time for reform was due ages ago in both the UK and EU,But whatever comes along after 2020 isnt looking any better than what we already had , ,A planned devolvement from the eu would have given all parties involved more time to come up with a realistic plan ,although with the present incumbments in charge , maybe a decade would still not be long enough . Sadly we stopped ruling the waves many moons ago ,and have morphed into a backward looking nation ,when with a bit more effort from our politicians we could have been the driving force in an integrated europe.


Exactly what i.ve been saying time we invaded a few countries and got the old empire back up and running give us somewhere to send all the Poles and Rumanians as their countries dont exactly seem too keen to have them back.

If we were to stay in Europe it should only of be on the basis that we were running it and the Frogs were told who saved their sorry arses in two world wars and the Krauts well and truly told who won those two world wars and the fact that they still owe god knows how many millions in reparation that we never got for the damage that they caused.


Any recollection of what the Poles did in the war RS?

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09 Feb 2018 23:56 #228 by NORTHERNSOUL
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howoldboy wrote:

NORTHERNSOUL wrote:

malaguista wrote: still only a few less coffees peanuts in the bigger picture , When our government waste in projects such as HS2, and the gravy train in westminster still goes on unabashed, The time for reform was due ages ago in both the UK and EU,But whatever comes along after 2020 isnt looking any better than what we already had , ,A planned devolvement from the eu would have given all parties involved more time to come up with a realistic plan ,although with the present incumbments in charge , maybe a decade would still not be long enough . Sadly we stopped ruling the waves many moons ago ,and have morphed into a backward looking nation ,when with a bit more effort from our politicians we could have been the driving force in an integrated europe.


Exactly what i.ve been saying time we invaded a few countries and got the old empire back up and running give us somewhere to send all the Poles and Rumanians as their countries dont exactly seem too keen to have them back.

If we were to stay in Europe it should only of be on the basis that we were running it and the Frogs were told who saved their sorry arses in two world wars and the Krauts well and truly told who won those two world wars and the fact that they still owe god knows how many millions in reparation that we never got for the damage that they caused.


Any recollection of what the Poles did in the war RS?


Aye a few of them flew planes for us all of whom were allowed to stay here no problem with that but most of them counldnt make up their minds who was worse Adolfs lot or the Ruskies

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13 Feb 2018 18:12 #229 by Dancingbear
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CCU wrote: “John Stevenson, Tory MP for Carlisle, said there was “a lot of support” in Parliament for being members of the European Free Trade Association, which includes Iceland, Norway and Switzerland.”

www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/may-lef...d-deal-a3712306.html

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Someone remind John he’s there to represent his Constituency, and not what the feeling is amongst some MP’s please...


Speaking of representing his constituents. Must be doing a grand job if he can earn £3200 a month to be a solicitor as well

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13 Feb 2018 20:54 #230 by orfc
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orfc wrote:

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Arragorn wrote: Brexit is an unmitigated shambles and could easily turn out to be a total disater. No one has a clue as to what will really happen. Its as if the Government had employed our BOD Clibbens & King to draw up the leaving strategy.


Please explain why you think it will be a shambles ?


Because it's 596 days since the Brexit vote and fork all has been sorted yet.


The big 600 now

Which will rumble on longer before the people trapped in the 1950's admit they were wrong - billionairegate or brexit?

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14 Feb 2018 10:48 #231 by thesilentone
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All those from the left who continually whinge about zero hours contracts and the gig economy are never satisfied.When we finally get the hell out of dodge, and border controls are reinstated, who is going to do all those zero hours jobs ??

Oh, and as for the comments on food banks. Do you not think it strange that the lunies in the Labour party are not dancing a rage fit for a straight jacket about the increase in numbers of people using them ? Or do you think it maybe because they are aware food banks are indirectly subsidising the drug traffickers ? With many households buying very cheap groceries and food.....

So, why has Labour and the good old Unions not grasped the chance to get the removal of Zero hours contracts onto the Brexit agenda ?

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14 Feb 2018 14:20 #232 by NORTHERNSOUL
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thesilentone wrote: All those from the left who continually whinge about zero hours contracts and the gig economy are never satisfied.When we finally get the hell out of dodge, and border controls are reinstated, who is going to do all those zero hours jobs ??

Oh, and as for the comments on food banks. Do you not think it strange that the lunies in the Labour party are not dancing a rage fit for a straight jacket about the increase in numbers of people using them ? Or do you think it maybe because they are aware food banks are indirectly subsidising the drug traffickers ? With many households buying very cheap groceries and food.....

So, why has Labour and the good old Unions not grasped the chance to get the removal of Zero hours contracts onto the Brexit agenda ?

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Simple they.ll be done by British people on proper contracts working for British Companies who will be regulated by the British public or do you not think a sustained campaign can force companies like Sports Direct to reform no need whatsoever for politicians to get involved again once they get their acts together and give us our borders back in the way we were promised in the leave vote.
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15 Feb 2018 10:16 #233 by whytakemypostcode
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Nothing better than sticking to your convictions!

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15 Feb 2018 11:00 #234 by pacirv
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People forget that the a Tories sold off most of our utilities and infrastructure to foreign companies, you'd be hard pushed to name many British compnies, most of the major players are French or German all Brexit will achieve is to give Carte Blanche to this Tory Govt so they can get on with lining the pockets of the few at the expense of the many. We won't be taking back control by the people for the people as Boris said we will just be giving the Tories a licence to screw us all while they benefit through being on the boards of the companies who will profit from getting contracts like the NHS. Head down behind barrier lol. But seriously I worry that whatever anyone's thoughts on Brexit are, of what I've seen recently non of the politicians on either side of the debate seem to have a clue what they are talking about which is pretty scary, as it's up to them to get it right for the sake of the future of our country, as there's unlikely to be a way back if we get it wrong.

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15 Feb 2018 11:13 #235 by Markovitch
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Lets not forget the good old Chinese. Apparently we have to have nuclear weapons to defend ourselves against China but they get to build our electricity infra structure. And just for good measure the have been charged with espionage in the US

In a 17-page indictment , the US government said nuclear engineer Allen Ho, employed by the China General Nuclear Power Company, and the company itself had unlawfully conspired to develop nuclear material in China without US approval and “with the intent to secure an advantage to the People’s Republic of China”.

CGNPC has a 33% stake in the £18bn Hinkley Point project in Somerset. CGNCP, the largest nuclear power company in China, is owned by that country’s state-owned assets supervision and administration commission of the state council.

So we pay $6bn to the Chinese military to develop the most expensive electricity in the world but we have no money for hospitals

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/11/...ake-in-hinkley-point

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15 Feb 2018 11:26 #236 by CCU
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whytakemypostcode wrote:



Nothing better than sticking to your convictions!


It’s no secret that May was/is a Remainer. However, as the public wished, she has to (As our current Prime Minister) take the Country out of the EU.

Nothing more than another pitiful scaremongering attempt to derail a democratic process...

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25 Feb 2018 14:14 #237 by CCU
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Looks like Comrade Corbyn is ignoring the wishes of many of his core voters...


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25 Feb 2018 16:06 #238 by Cayambe
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Markovitch wrote: Unfortunately what is happening now is the worst of all worlds for everyone. I worked for the EU and a less effective, less efficient organisation I have never seen. The Government should have said the British people are unhappy with the EU we need reforms. The EU took that on board and worked to get some better quality staff in positions. Instead now we will be slapped with 20% taxes which will be catastrophic for us and the EU will continue as before so no one wins


If Cameron had returned from Brussels and reported that the EU had accepted the concern about freedome of movement and its impact on our stretched economy (e.g. a time limited period of say E3 billion per year only to be spent on roads, railways, schools, housing and the NHS as 40 % of the total annual spend on these (i.e. UK provides E5 billion through borrowing if needed when interest rates are low) I strongly suspect that the Brexit vote would ahve gone the other way - potentially by a significant % say 55:45. Such spending would have been desiged to provide the capacity to support immigration numbers, created jobs , increased tax income etc etc.

But what did Cameron return with - zilch. And that reponse from the EU is why we have to leave. I have worked as a consultant in EU projects in various parts of the world - it is incompetent, inefficient and corrupt. I resigned from one project 2 months into an 18 month contract as I refused to sign off on monthly expenditure sheets. I do not believe the 20 % import taxes, nor the potential needs to use interational driving licenses etc etc etc - it simply will not happen as the commercial interests of the memeber states will win over the dogmatic EU bureaucracy.

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25 Feb 2018 17:08 #239 by Markovitch
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It certainly is incompetent, inefficient and corrupt. I pulled my consultants out of 1 Asian country, we had a fund of 12mEu, we were making no headway because of the local Vice Minister of Finance and when I complained to the local rep they told me 'oh well, we'll just shut the project and write them a cheque for the unspent money'. Outrageous and I never saw that with DFiD, USAID, ADB etc

The Eu, I fear will just slap tariffs on our goods. If the price of a Toyota goes up 20% the French will buy Renaults or BMWs instead until Toyota move manufacturing into the EU zone. For more specific items like Eurobond issues it will go to Frankfurt. The employees of the EU have nothing to lose so why not? Punishing Britain is in their interest. If we had threatened and demanded a policy, procedure review from within we could have achieved something, I fear we will now just fall off a cliff and its not going to be good.

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25 Feb 2018 17:57 #240 by Bruntonpasty
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So can we not just buy more Toyotas and hondas and Nissans and fords(If they still make them over here)? tell them to shove their renaults, citroens, peugeot, Bmw, Vw, Audi, Seat, Volvo, Mercedes, etc, etc? We are a big market for their motor industries, they won't want us slapping tariffs on their cars either. Most of this will end up "tit for tat", will it be a disaster? Leavers will say no and remainers will say yes, that's the way it is! You yourself Marko agree that the EU is corrupt, inefficient, etc, etc. Do we really WANT to be part of that? You suggest we should have demanded change? do they want to change? do they fekkk as like!! what they want is for us to be quiet and keep chipping in with our money. Not for me thanks, enough is enough.

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25 Feb 2018 18:51 #241 by Cayambe
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Bruntonpasty wrote: So can we not just buy more Toyotas and hondas and Nissans and fords(If they still make them over here)? tell them to shove their renaults, citroens, peugeot, Bmw, Vw, Audi, Seat, Volvo, Mercedes, etc, etc? We are a big market for their motor industries, they won't want us slapping tariffs on their cars either. Most of this will end up "tit for tat", will it be a disaster? Leavers will say no and remainers will say yes, that's the way it is! You yourself Marko agree that the EU is corrupt, inefficient, etc, etc. Do we really WANT to be part of that? You suggest we should have demanded change? do they want to change? do they fekkk as like!! what they want is for us to be quiet and keep chipping in with our money. Not for me thanks, enough is enough.


80% of the UK’s automobile production is exported, of which 52.8% (worth €14.6 billion) goes to EU member states. The other way round, the EU represents 81% of the UK’s motor vehicle import volume, worth €44.7 billion. www.acea.be/statistics/article/motor-veh...and-main-eu-partners

Draw your own conclusions. Of course the EU may try and cherry pick!

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25 Feb 2018 21:01 #242 by Markovitch
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Bruntonpasty wrote: So can we not just buy more Toyotas and hondas and Nissans and fords(If they still make them over here)? tell them to shove their renaults, citroens, peugeot, Bmw, Vw, Audi, Seat, Volvo, Mercedes, etc, etc? We are a big market for their motor industries, they won't want us slapping tariffs on their cars either. Most of this will end up "tit for tat", will it be a disaster? Leavers will say no and remainers will say yes, that's the way it is! You yourself Marko agree that the EU is corrupt, inefficient, etc, etc. Do we really WANT to be part of that? You suggest we should have demanded change? do they want to change? do they fekkk as like!! what they want is for us to be quiet and keep chipping in with our money. Not for me thanks, enough is enough.


You are 100% correct, I don't have an answer. I would though say that the citizens of |Germany, France etc don't want the EU administration any more than we do . And I think we have a greater chance of changing things form the inside than from the outside.

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25 Feb 2018 22:18 #243 by CCU
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Interesting to see how the Italian General Election pans out this next week. The Nationalist Vote is gaining popularity...

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25 Feb 2018 22:58 #244 by howoldboy
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Despite the desire of the Brexit supporting right wing UK press to see the European Union disintegrate, the reality is that there are too many political parties in Italy and there is no chance of any one party gaining an overall majority.

As such, whatever the vote, a coalition will be needed to form a government.

Consequently nothing will change

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26 Feb 2018 07:38 #245 by BlueAl
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18 year old Italian girl, murdered and her body chopped up by a Nigerian asylum seeker. Went largely unreported in the UK press, wonder why? Horrific, what will the Italian authorities do with this savage.

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26 Feb 2018 07:50 #246 by Waltero
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Probably give him an EU passport and send him over here so all the do-gooders can look after him
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26 Feb 2018 13:24 #247 by CCU
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Fun and games today!

”But in a shift from the party's policy at last year's general election, he said the UK should strike a new customs deal with the EU at the end of transition.”


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26 Feb 2018 14:19 #248 by High Street
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How to alienate your core voters.
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26 Feb 2018 15:06 #249 by orfc
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High Street wrote: How to alienate your core voters.


Most labour votes are remainers, 65-35 remain

yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/


It's the utter trumpets who earn less than 50K and vote UKIp or Tory I don't understand. It's like Kunta Kinte voting to enslave himself.

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26 Feb 2018 15:34 #250 by Markovitch
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I don't think anyone votes UKIP any more do they? As for the Tories its branding. The Daily Mail, BBC etc reinforce the view that the poor are lazy and stupid so no one wants to give the impression they are poor. Who do rich people vote for? And it is still quite an attractive line to roll out, 'well I'm an unskilled worker but still I'm better off with the Tories' even if it isn't true

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