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26 Feb 2018 18:59 #251 by thesilentone
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But branding rules the World, why send troops when you can send McDonalds, KFC, Coca Cola, etc, etc...........

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26 Feb 2018 19:04 - 26 Feb 2018 19:05 #252 by CCU
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orfc wrote:

High Street wrote: How to alienate your core voters.


Most labour votes are remainers, 65-35 remain.

yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/27/how-britain-voted/


Would be interesting to see a Map of where Labour voters were Remain or Leave...

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26 Feb 2018 23:38 #253 by Blues86
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A lot of people voted Tory because they did not trust Labour to deliver a brexit that wasn't a fudge that resulted in us leaving in name only, if at all. Their recent customs union announcement just reinforces that view.

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27 Feb 2018 08:46 #254 by ExiledJock
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Interestingly, John Stevenson is being a bit more pragmatic about the issue these days. Probably realises Pirelli could up sticks tomorrow if they wanted.

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27 Feb 2018 09:59 #255 by thesilentone
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Do you mean John the abstainer Stevenson ??

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28 Feb 2018 13:47 - 28 Feb 2018 13:48 #256 by CCU
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PMQ’s was jovial today!




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28 Feb 2018 16:03 #257 by Happyblue
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Would be interesting to see what the People in norther Ireland think (they voted remain), about this situation and also you have to remember the vote was very narrow 48% to 52% so what percentage of that 52% want an agreement in place, People on here have to remember that all voters didn't vote for the same reasons as you did

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28 Feb 2018 19:35 #258 by CCU
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Narrow? Yes. But it was first to 50.1% wins, so it doesn’t really matter does it?

If only such simplicity was accepted so easily...

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28 Feb 2018 20:46 #259 by seesaw50
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Markovitch wrote: I don't think anyone votes UKIP any more do they? As for the Tories its branding. The Daily Mail, BBC etc reinforce the view that the poor are lazy and stupid so no one wants to give the impression they are poor. Who do rich people vote for? And it is still quite an attractive line to roll out, 'well I'm an unskilled worker but still I'm better off with the Tories' even if it isn't true


Head on the block..... But it is true tho. Too much bad stuff happens under labour.. Champagne Socialists is what they are am afraid

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28 Feb 2018 20:51 #260 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote:

Markovitch wrote: I don't think anyone votes UKIP any more do they? As for the Tories its branding. The Daily Mail, BBC etc reinforce the view that the poor are lazy and stupid so no one wants to give the impression they are poor. Who do rich people vote for? And it is still quite an attractive line to roll out, 'well I'm an unskilled worker but still I'm better off with the Tories' even if it isn't true


Head on the block..... But it is true tho. Too much bad stuff happens under labour.. Champagne Socialists is what they are am afraid


Name some of the bad stuff that generally happens under Labour then that wouldn’t happen under the tories?

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28 Feb 2018 20:51 #261 by Markovitch
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Ian Blackford MP: "Boris Johnson has compared crossing the Irish border to going between Camden and Westminster - you could not make this stuff up." #PMQs

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28 Feb 2018 20:58 #262 by seesaw50
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Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote:

Markovitch wrote: I don't think anyone votes UKIP any more do they? As for the Tories its branding. The Daily Mail, BBC etc reinforce the view that the poor are lazy and stupid so no one wants to give the impression they are poor. Who do rich people vote for? And it is still quite an attractive line to roll out, 'well I'm an unskilled worker but still I'm better off with the Tories' even if it isn't true


Head on the block..... But it is true tho. Too much bad stuff happens under labour.. Champagne Socialists is what they are am afraid


Name some of the bad stuff that generally happens under Labour then that wouldn’t happen under the tories?


Very carefully worded there db ....just 4 words might sum it up for ya
"There's no money left"

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28 Feb 2018 21:06 #263 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote:

Markovitch wrote: I don't think anyone votes UKIP any more do they? As for the Tories its branding. The Daily Mail, BBC etc reinforce the view that the poor are lazy and stupid so no one wants to give the impression they are poor. Who do rich people vote for? And it is still quite an attractive line to roll out, 'well I'm an unskilled worker but still I'm better off with the Tories' even if it isn't true


Head on the block..... But it is true tho. Too much bad stuff happens under labour.. Champagne Socialists is what they are am afraid


Name some of the bad stuff that generally happens under Labour then that wouldn’t happen under the tories?


Very carefully worded there db ....just 4 words might sum it up for ya
"There's no money left"


Ah right so that World financial crisis was all Blair and Browns fault yep fair enough. Mind you what they prob should have done was the same as Thatcher and not bothered building schools and hospitals then they may have had a few quid stashed away. Still I’m delighted John stevenson has dragged Carlisle kicking and screaming into the 21st century.

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28 Feb 2018 21:08 #264 by Markovitch
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Are there hostels for the homeless in Carlisle tonight? Do they now where they are? Will they take dogs? Tad parky and all that

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01 Mar 2018 10:44 #265 by seesaw50
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Markovitch wrote: Are there hostels for the homeless in Carlisle tonight? Do they now where they are? Will they take dogs? Tad parky and all that

Labour Council Marko

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01 Mar 2018 15:01 #266 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote:

Markovitch wrote: Are there hostels for the homeless in Carlisle tonight? Do they now where they are? Will they take dogs? Tad parky and all that

Labour Council Marko


And no doubt if it was a Tory council but a labour MP you’d be blaming the MP not the council.

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01 Mar 2018 15:11 - 01 Mar 2018 15:55 #267 by thesilentone
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I assume Carlisle is like most Cities, very few, if any real homeless. If there are any in Carlisle, then I am sure the main charities will provide a warm bed, if not, please let me know where they are, and I will provide one. Although I did see a guy sat in front of the Hotel at the Station yesterday, he convinced he wasn't homeless, simply by being there in snow-storm.


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02 Mar 2018 17:33 #268 by Markovitch
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Yesterday the European Commission published the Draft Article 50 Withdrawal Agreement between the European Union and the United Kingdom. Note that this is publishing an “agreement”, not a proposal. It was not the EU’s idea of what they would like to see, but actually a summary of what the UK negotiators have agreed so far.

This has been completely missed or misrepresented by most of the press. From the Times (but it could have been any paper): “Mrs May dismissed EU proposals for the fallback option to prevent a hard border in Ireland as completely unacceptable”.

On Scotland Tonight last night a Brexit supporter demonstrated a worrying lack of connectivity with actual events, saying that, “The EU had to think again, and come up with better proposals”. Wait, what? This is not a proposal, it is a note made public of what the UK negotiators (specifically the PM) have agreed to, and what it would mean in terms of borders on the island of Ireland

www.businessforscotland.com/outraged-the...-eu-withdrawal-plan/

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02 Mar 2018 17:58 #269 by seesaw50
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I listened to the speech today and on Ireland I understood this is what she said:
80% of trade between the north and the south is from "micro, small and medium sized businesses " and this could/would continue as in essence has no effect on the EU. So is local trade. The other 20% can be designated preferred trade/traders to which any tariffs etc will be levied.
It sounded like discussion on this was acceptable to the Irish premier , she'd had talks with him last week or early thus week .

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02 Mar 2018 18:49 #270 by High Street
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Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote:

Markovitch wrote: I don't think anyone votes UKIP any more do they? As for the Tories its branding. The Daily Mail, BBC etc reinforce the view that the poor are lazy and stupid so no one wants to give the impression they are poor. Who do rich people vote for? And it is still quite an attractive line to roll out, 'well I'm an unskilled worker but still I'm better off with the Tories' even if it isn't true


Head on the block..... But it is true tho. Too much bad stuff happens under labour.. Champagne Socialists is what they are am afraid


Name some of the bad stuff that generally happens under Labour then that wouldn’t happen under the tories?


Expansion of public sector jobs

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02 Mar 2018 18:52 #271 by Dancingbear
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High Street wrote:

Dancingbear wrote:

seesaw50 wrote:

Markovitch wrote: I don't think anyone votes UKIP any more do they? As for the Tories its branding. The Daily Mail, BBC etc reinforce the view that the poor are lazy and stupid so no one wants to give the impression they are poor. Who do rich people vote for? And it is still quite an attractive line to roll out, 'well I'm an unskilled worker but still I'm better off with the Tories' even if it isn't true


Head on the block..... But it is true tho. Too much bad stuff happens under labour.. Champagne Socialists is what they are am afraid


Name some of the bad stuff that generally happens under Labour then that wouldn’t happen under the tories?


Expansion of public sector jobs


Aye getting people off the dole is bloody criminal.

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02 Mar 2018 20:10 - 02 Mar 2018 20:11 #272 by thesilentone
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There are very few people on the dole, and one thing is for absolute certain, Jezza does not have one policy that would benefit the UK economy.

All labour has ever done is blow the public purse buying voters and creating a ' why shouldn't I be allowed holidays to Benidorm, even if I am on the dole ' culture and attitude.

One thing Labour did top - single parent families !
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02 Mar 2018 21:01 #273 by Laffy
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Form a new party Silentone and I will vote for you.We are virtually at full employment in the UK-granted many in work are in lowly paid jobs but they are still jobs.Its taken 8 years but we are now balancing our books according to the press today.

The country was totally screwed in 2010-yet Brown had to be forcibly extracted from no 10 because he couldn’t believe the public were so stupid as to vote oh great one out.Many champagne socialists actually stated on TV that the public were patently too stupid to see common sense and therefore voted them out ie we all made a mistake!

Corbyn offered the earth in 2017 because he was unlikely to get in-without any realistic hope of providing anywhere near what he promised.Write off university fees,loans blah blah.I would vote for him if I was a student with that manifesto.

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02 Mar 2018 22:31 #274 by carwash
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Markovitch wrote: Ian Blackford MP: "Boris Johnson has compared crossing the Irish border to going between Camden and Westminster - you could not make this stuff up." #PMQs


I used to know Ian Blackford really well when he worked in London. Yes apparently it is all true - he is an MP. :-D

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03 Mar 2018 10:44 #275 by Markovitch
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Also a banker I believe. Back office moreover. I'll forgive him as he's one of ours. Hibs fan though according to wiki. Did you used to work in an investment bank? Fixed income trading is the panacea of trading, that's where the really big bonuses are. Strange that Jolley would swap that for Grimsby when he is so young.

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03 Mar 2018 11:00 #276 by carwash
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Ian Blackford may have started in back office but he worked his way up to become a research analyst with Natwest stockbrokers. He was always a passionate SNP supporter. Trouble is if like Jolley you've been to a comprehensive then got a job in a fixed interest dealing room you'll earn very good money but you'll never progress into a senior management job away from the screens. I've known guys spend their entire working lives in front of screens waiting for the latest rpi figures and US non-farm payrolls. Good on him that he wanted to do something more with his life - even if it is managing Grimsby.

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03 Mar 2018 13:57 #277 by NORTHERNSOUL
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Laffy wrote: Form a new party Silentone and I will vote for you.We are virtually at full employment in the UK-granted many in work are in lowly paid jobs but they are still jobs.Its taken 8 years but we are now balancing our books according to the press today.

The country was totally screwed in 2010-yet Brown had to be forcibly extracted from no 10 because he couldn’t believe the public were so stupid as to vote oh great one out.Many champagne socialists actually stated on TV that the public were patently too stupid to see common sense and therefore voted them out ie we all made a mistake!

Corbyn offered the earth in 2017 because he was unlikely to get in-without any realistic hope of providing anywhere near what he promised.Write off university fees,loans blah blah.I would vote for him if I was a student with that manifesto.


And do you realize what proportion of it will actually be paid off ? Well its about 10% so i.d say writing it off and cutting the number going to uni in half with grants to fund anyone who family income is below 45k would be a vote winner with everyone but the top 10% of earners who all vote Tory anyway so i.d say for what it would cost it would be a very good move.

There are companies springing up now who for a small percentage of your income will ensure you never have to pay whether you hit the income targets or not
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03 Mar 2018 18:55 #278 by pacirv
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Please name anything good that theTories have done, they are actively undermining the very fabric of our country. I'm no fan of any of the parties but the Tories are destroying the country, they actively change the rules if they don't get their way and are in the process of privatizing the NHS so we can have an American style health service.
We need to take back control of the infrastructure of our country if Brexit can give us that opportunity then maybe it won't be too bad, but I ain't holding my breath.
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03 Mar 2018 19:21 #279 by Markovitch
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With the exception of increasing the number of houses being built every single indicator in every single ministry has declined under the current Government. Schools, transport, NHS, defence all in crisis with desperate cuts.

Deprived of any rational argument for voting Tory the Daily Express and those susceptible to auto suggestion simply repeat the mantra '; we have completely [censored] everything up but it will be worse under Corbyn' That's it, no evidence, no persuasion, no argument just the animal farm sheep bleating it will be worse under Corbyn. Labour, like it or love it produced a fully costed manifesto, the Tories didn't even do that, they don't know themselves what they will do or where the money come from.

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05 Mar 2018 05:04 - 05 Mar 2018 07:22 #280 by CCU
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howoldboy wrote: Despite the desire of the Brexit supporting right wing UK press to see the European Union disintegrate, the reality is that there are too many political parties in Italy and there is no chance of any one party gaining an overall majority.

As such, whatever the vote, a coalition will be needed to form a government.

Consequently nothing will change


Whilst the coalition avenue was always going to be needed, it’s the potential make-up that will be interesting...




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05 Mar 2018 06:32 #281 by carwash
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Look what happened last time Italy had an ultra-right wing government. Across Europe there has been a backlash against immigration. Ironically it is even an issue in Poland which has seen comparatively little compared to neighbouring Germany.

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05 Mar 2018 13:07 #282 by howoldboy
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CCU wrote:

howoldboy wrote: Despite the desire of the Brexit supporting right wing UK press to see the European Union disintegrate, the reality is that there are too many political parties in Italy and there is no chance of any one party gaining an overall majority.

As such, whatever the vote, a coalition will be needed to form a government.

Consequently nothing will change


Whilst the coalition avenue was always going to be needed, it’s the potential make-up that will be interesting...




Agreed.

As the party with by far the most votes it would seem logical for 5 Stelle to form at least part of the coalition. However it is entirely possible that they won't.

Unlike the UK the current anti-immigrant sentiment in Italy primarily relates to immigration from outside the EU (in particular the steady flow of refugees from Northern Africa).

Consequently the anti EU sentiment is nothing like as strong as it is in the UK.

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05 Mar 2018 13:17 #283 by CumbrianView
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Rumour has it the Italian election was merely advisory. The people didn’t know what they were voting for.Also theres rumours those pesky Russians have been at it again.

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07 Mar 2018 17:55 #284 by whytakemypostcode
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Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. Just got my annual tax breakdown, and in the last 12 months I contributed 13 poxy quid to the EU budget! What a shan.

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07 Mar 2018 18:05 #285 by Dancingbear
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whytakemypostcode wrote: Brexit, the gift that keeps on giving. Just got my annual tax breakdown, and in the last 12 months I contributed 13 poxy quid to the EU budget! What a shan.


Well the £13 you save when we leave you can put towards your kleenex fund to dry yer eyes.

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07 Mar 2018 22:18 #286 by seesaw50
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Tusk has just been on, to me he's been sent out with a series of no deals which he himself doesn't quite believe in or want.
Time for another if his Beatles song quotes..I suggest
"Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend"

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07 Mar 2018 22:29 - 07 Mar 2018 22:31 #287 by seesaw50
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carwash wrote: Look what happened last time Italy had an ultra-right wing government. Across Europe there has been a backlash against immigration. Ironically it is even an issue in Poland which has seen comparatively little compared to neighbouring Germany.


This has been simmering now for a few years .....why don't governments get it ...the ordinary man in the street has never, through history, accepted large or even small amounts of people who are different to themselves and their native countrymen. Nothing changes even in these so called enlightened times.
We've had the debate on here time and again ...I stick to my view that allowing foreigners to roam about Europe or anywhere unfettered is a recipe for unrest. These far right parties will only grow.

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07 Mar 2018 22:31 #288 by Dancingbear
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seesaw50 wrote: Tusk has just been on, to me he's been sent out with a series of no deals which he himself doesn't quite believe in or want.
Time for another if his Beatles song quotes..I suggest
"Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend"


He thinks we're writing a sermon that no one will hear.

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19 Mar 2018 17:18 #289 by CCU
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The UK and EU agree terms for Brexit transition period www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43456502

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19 Mar 2018 23:28 #290 by Dancingbear
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Still unclear on the Irish border. I’ve been watching soft border patrol on bbciplayer and thought it was all sorted. Give it a watch munchy you may enjoy it. And this country whilst your at it ;)

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20 Mar 2018 00:16 #291 by munchymagic
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Dancingbear wrote: Still unclear on the Irish border. I’ve been watching soft border patrol on bbciplayer and thought it was all sorted. Give it a watch munchy you may enjoy it. And this country whilst your at it ;)



Soft border control - If It Ain't Stiff, It Ain't Worth A [censored]!
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23 Mar 2018 07:45 #292 by Markovitch
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Trump opened his mouth yesterday on trade tariffs and trade wars. He also announced those countries which will be exempt tariffs, the EU will be exempt but Britain will not. Bit of a slap for Liam Fox who has been filling the Telegraph with stories about the special relationship we have with the US. So, so far we have no trade deals, strong and stable, strong and stable

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23 Mar 2018 14:44 #293 by Flatcap
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Marko.
We are still in the EU and will be for another year, then there is the transition period.
A lot can change in that time.

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23 Mar 2018 17:03 #294 by Bruntonpasty
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Flatcap wrote: Marko.
We are still in the EU and will be for another year, then there is the transition period.
A lot can change in that time.



Very true Flatcap, unless you are a remainer of course, then you will bleat on and on and on and on and on and on..........................................because you can't accept the result of the referendum or that the government haven't contacted you personally to explain every single aspect of our leaving the EU. Or sommat like that eh!

They don't like it up 'em!
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23 Mar 2018 17:33 #295 by Markovitch
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I had a leaflet shoved through my door telling me the NHS would get £350m a week with Duncan Smith, Johnson, and Farage on it. Had my name on it. Even now Johnson is saying it will rise to £438m a week. what a [censored]

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-joh...2903e4b04f3c55a52ef0

I actually think he has a disease. The greatest achievement of Brexit would be if a Tory could tell the truth.

Still, wonder what next week will bring in Boris through the looking glass, another chemical attack, can't wait

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23 Mar 2018 21:47 - 23 Mar 2018 21:50 #296 by Blues86
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And the remain side said wed all be unemployed and in a massive recession by now. That didn't happen either. Politician exaggerates shocker, hold the front page. All this whinging, its happening, were leaving, lets just get on with it.
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23 Mar 2018 23:37 #297 by Ibogaine
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Blues86 wrote: And the remain side said wed all be unemployed and in a massive recession by now. That didn't happen either. Politician exaggerates shocker, hold the front page. All this whinging, its happening, were leaving, lets just get on with it.


Did they? Don't think so

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He talks out his arrrrrssseee
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24 Mar 2018 05:03 #298 by munchymagic
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Ibogaine wrote:

Blues86 wrote: And the remain side said wed all be unemployed and in a massive recession by now. That didn't happen either. Politician exaggerates shocker, hold the front page. All this whinging, its happening, were leaving, lets just get on with it.


Did they? Don't think so

He talks out his arse
He talks out his arrrrrssseee
Blues86
He talks out his arse


He got it bang on the head bogey lad.

One thing that I will never understand from the remainers is that the NHS is on its arse so why accept more people in to freely roam on their own accord and you and your kin will suffer because of this - unless you are rich or a total hippy then this is just plain stupidity.

Neglect our own for total strangers who have put [censored] all in to the system making it harder for the regular person to get an appointment in a doctors or hospital.

Showing your ignorance bogey or maybe you are rich and don't give a [censored].
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24 Mar 2018 07:55 #299 by Ibogaine
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Sorry Admiral. He just makes these sweeping statements which are not based in reason. All the remain side said X and infers that it was only the remain side that told fibs. Least they had the decency not to put their fibs on the side of a bus ay Bluesy?

NHS is on its arse cos its been underfunded. With Brexit widely predicted to shrink the economy cant see that helping despite all the bus guff.

Someone I know is currently in ICU with heart failure. The doctor is Portuguese and when I visited all the nurses were either Eastern European or from Nigeria. If the staff cant/wont come then the NHS will be totally [censored]. To be fair though, the Nigerian nurse was one of the rudest people I've ever met, so every cloud...

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24 Mar 2018 08:10 #300 by Bruntonpasty
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Ibo, I'm a brexiteer, I have no problem whatsoever in allowing trained Doctors or Nurses coming to the UK to work or, indeed, any other skilled,qualified people coming to the UK to work, where do I fit in your argument? Does this make me Racist? And BTW, Nigeria isn't in the EU, just in case you were wondering.

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